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ChinenyeN: Are you serious? I know people from Mbaitolu, they confirm that they are Isu.


From what Igbo historians have written, they are Isu. They are said to confirm being part of the original Isu settlers in Okigwe.

This is interesting. I'll look deeper into it. Thanks.

Odenigbo,

Nsogbu adighi.

Edda New Yam Festival, Ebonyi


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3ukeYcIEaY&feature=youtube_gdata_player


@Abagworo and Odenigbo,
Nice thread! But, if I may ask, is thi only for the Igbo in the SE and if so, why?

The first question I'd like to pose to you all is: what do you guys think is the most urgent problem in Igboland?

Ajuju mbu m choro iju unu bu: gini ka unu chere bu nsogbu kachasi mkpa na ala Igbo?

@Beaf, thanks for the support.

Igbo nmanman nu!

We'd like to thank you guys again for your patience and for your encouragement. We've recieved many subscriptions and we'd like to thank you guys once more. Very soon, we will release our first newsletter.

Just to highlight the rules of conduct established for our discussion*:


LANGUAGE
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Unu emeela nu (Thank you all)

Beaf, the website is www.igbolist.tk

Since we're still on this Isu issue, I'd like to ask if Isuikwuato people in Abia are in anyway related to the Isu which you all are talking about.

Pouring of libations by HRM Eze Ezeagwu of Arochuwku during Ikeji Arochukwu 2011


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twre9Enu7UY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Innum-iyaga ekpo masquerade from Arochukwu Ikeji 2011


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gq6ZKC24OU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Nkita oku ekpo masquerade from Arochukwu Ikeji 2011


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIX39mRPDX4&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Ekpererem ekpo masquerade from Arochukwu Ikeji 2011


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cr4AL_xDggU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Odenigbo Aroli: Odumchi,does "amama" also mean famous or a popular person because that is what it mean in Idenmili dialect? You said "ode" doesnt exist in Aro but ARONDIZUOGU use the word alot.....I guess they have influences from Anambra groups....less I forget,does AROCHUKWU celebrate IKEJI like the IZUOGU ppl?

Yes, it can also mean a famous/popular person. It's also interesting that it exists in Idenmili.

When I said Aro I was really referring to Arochukwu since that's the only Aro community that still speaks the original Aro dialect. All other Aro communities (like Arondiziogu, Aro Ajalli, and etc) have been influenced by the dialects of their neighbors. And yes Izuogu people celebrate Ikeji like the Arochukwu people. In fact, Izuogu's Ikeji was brought over from Arochukwu. However, there are slight difference such as the type of masquerades used (Izuogu uses nmanwu while Arochukwu uses ekpo).

alj harem: Does anyone knows what Ikeji means in Igbo (It is an Igbo name)----- something strength ?

Do you mean as in Linda (Ikeji)?

If so, 'Ikeji' is a name that is generally born by Aro people. It is given to people who were born around the time of Aro New Yam Festival (September) which is known as Ikeji. If this helps with the pronunciation, it's 'Ikééji' while 'strength has' is 'Ikéjì'.

Odenigbo Aroli: Odum,nsogbu adiro; I can see why some ppl will misunderstand "ode" because it also means "to write".However,the words "ude" and "ode" also means "braveness" and "greatness" in Igbo but context of speech will determine the meaning of these words...Igbo lang. is very tricky. "Ode" can also mean "roar" or "sound" as in music depending on context... Now I see why Chinua Achebe was advocating to keep our dialects!

Igbo really is tricky. The main reason I didn't catch the meaning of 'Odenigbo' was because the word 'ode' simply doesn't exist in my dialect. The Aro form of that name would be 'Amamanigbo' since the Aro word for fame/greatness is 'amama'.

ChinenyeN: Olenjurulo - How many could ever be sufficient for a home? (female name; expressing the desire of having more daughters)

This shows how the meaning of that name is very flexible. Thanks again.

ChinenyeN: It's interesting. We have basically the exact same name, except we wouldn't translate/connote it in the exact same way.

Really? That's really interesting. If I may ask, what do you guys translate it to?

Odenigbo Aroli: Oyagulu=oye market day has claimed the child....This is my grandmothers name......Iyom ego, ekeneem gi oke nwanyi!!
Odenigbo=great man in Igboland.
Osakwe=If the gods accept.

Ahh. Thanks a bundle, Aroli. You know, the funny thing is, in my head I translated your name as 'One who writes in Igbo'. I actually forgot this other meaning. Thanks for the refreshing names.

2mch: The damage has already been done. She was scammed by the sister. Its a different thing to ask for money without the promise of paying it back. And this is obviously money that the woman cannot afford to lose? What if the husband insists on getting his money back? Did he work for them? And besides the sister first said she needed the money for an office project, not a business transaction. So how can an office project fail? And why the hell will an office ask you to bring money for a project in the first place if it wasnt a private business?

If the husband insists, then that means that there's big trouble. However, if he chooses to forgive her and let it serve as a lesson to his wife, then that'll be a relief. However, I'm sure he will suspect his sister-inlaw and her husband. As for the woman, she is also self-employed.

otele: toshman i naha aba mba. lekwe nwu ye gi n'azu ulo ka o na abia. gbanyuokwa laptop ugbua. aka adighikwa ya o. i,m going to bed. chi ejiela na london. achighi m iteta n'ututu nu na i gara emergency room

jirikwa style gbanyuo laptop ugbua. anyi likiri gi ebe a, anyi achoghi ka inwuo onwu ike.

lekwa madam hemehe na azu gi

LMAOOO

Ikoku (Aro) - I have no strength for quarrelling.
Ejiovor (Aro) - the one who holds the ancestral staff.
Olejurumulo (Aro) - how many do I have in my household.

2mch: The fact remains that she was scammed by her own sister. I dont believe in letting scammers get away. This is why they (scammers) have been able to succeed in Nigeria. People just let the money go. Besides, who says the husband can afford to lose the money? Simply take the sister to court and get your money back. If they claim they dont have the money, ask the judge to pass judgement on one of their personal assets you know about. House, car etc. They will have to sign off ownership to you, which you will sell the property to reclaim your money. simples. . Scammers dey suffer for my hand. When i work hard for my money, you cannot steal from me and go free. Even if i steal the money gan sef.

I like you approach, but remember that they're sister. Imagine the irreparable damage that suing one's sibling would cause.

afam4eva: The moral of the story is that you don't give people money that does not belong to you. The lady should just tel her husband about it and be scolded and then they can move on with their lives.

Although it's the best thing to do, it sounds easy on paper.

dubem3: Odum let me draw your mind to the fact that a church in itself is a society and inherently has its own common people united by culture and in pursuit of a common goal.
Being that its a sub in a larger society, and encompasses people from diverse other cultures, it is ultimately impossible not to find elements of these other Cultures evident in church gatherings

You're absolutely right. I find it amazing how churches draw people together. I never really saw things this way until very recently.

Now, on a serious note, what would you guys do if you were in her position? What would you advise her to do?

ChinenyeN: Odumchi, unless you plan on giving #%&@ a full historical expose, I see no reason why you should encourage his/her posting, from this point onward.

Well said, bro.

#%&@:
and is that because there is nothing more to say? live and lets live, yet u sold fellow igbos to slavery

u did not annex, yet u forced communities into trade and currently occupying a land that is not historically igbo?

u dont worship humans, yet u worship jesus and his mother mary?

This is borderline derailment. If you wish to discuss this, create a different thread.

#%&@:
the church is actually a very good resource to sort for girls. esp them new generation churches.

na which church man never go sef?? from catholic churches to aladura to olumba olumba, man don waka all of them.

olumba olumba in benin is home to a lot of fine ijaw girls.

Your mind no fit think betta thing?

Ok so here's the situation that someone I know is in:

A woman (who I know) was given some money to hold by her husband (who happens to be a businessman) before he went on a business trip. He instructed his wife to hold the money for him so that he could use it upon his return. Shortly after his departure, the woman's sister came to her asking for some money to help complete an office project. Conscious of her promise to her husband, the woman told her sister that she had no money.

Despite this, her sister continued to beg and goad her. The woman decided to help her sister by giving her her husband's money under the condition that she would pay back as soon as the project was completed. Finally, a week later, the woman called her sister and asked her about the money but her sister said to call her back in a few days. After a few days, the woman called again and this time her sister began complaining that the project had failed and that she'd lost her money.

Now, with the money gone, the woman is confused, angry, and uncertain. She suspects that her sister's husband (who is also a businessman) might have taken the money and put it into his business. Just recently, the woman's husband flew back into the country and is currently in the East. According to her, her husband has made no mention of the money, but she's afraid that he might ask her to bring it with her to meet him in the East.

#%&@:
so what happened to the village after selling the people into slavery? left the land to become a jungle? btw, i have read comments on here of how aro took over parts of ibibio land after killing their prince.

I think I remember discussing this with you somewhere...

Anyway, the Aro Confederacy really only attacked groups that refused to do business with it. Once a settlement was raided or sacked, a portion of the populace would be sold and the community would then be forced to initiate diplomatic/trade relations with the Aro; the social/political structure of the people would remain untouched. The Aro weren't interested in creating an empire, rather they simply wanted to make money.

The land upon which Arochukwu is sitting was once apart of Ibibioland. However, that was nearly four hundred years ago; Arochukwu is now Igboland.

I've noticed that aside from the obvious religious purposes they serve, churches play important roles in society. I've noticed that West Africans in particular use churches largely for social purposes.

In the Nigerian churches that I've attended, I've noticed that there are many people who are at church solely for the social purposes. For example, at my particular church, there are people who attend just so they can discuss politics after service. The young women are always gossiping about the young men; the women are always planning either one party or another, and the kids will just be running around. There are even people who sell goods such as yams, stock fish, and goat meat at church!

Personally, I think it's nice that people enjoy being in the company of those whom they share similar backgrounds with. This is only an observation; what do you guys think? Has anyone observed anything similar?

#%&@:
ahhhh, ndigbo always full of contradictions.
i wonder what happened to the "live and let live" mantra when them aro igbos sold off fellow igbos into slavery and annexed their villages.

The Aro didn't annex anybody. The reason why the Aro sold of other people (not only Igbo) is very complicated and is a result of various religious, economic, political, and social factors (and of course, the European demand for slaves).

#%&@:
yet u worship a self-proclaimed king of the jews, jesus? and a vast majority of ur people who are catholics worship his mother mary. but i guess they were not ordinary human beings.

unlike jesuse the self-proclaimed king of the jews who never ruled any real kingdom apart from the fairy tale u are promised after death, shango and ogun actually ruled over great kingdoms and deserved to be edified by their people.

I'm a Catholic and we pray to Mary; we don't worship her. Anyway, I believe that's a discussion best meant for the religion section.

Enjoy

I was thinking about making a series of regular comic-strips about Nairaland members. I don't know how well that's going to fly, though.

Here's one I made that's about a certain Nairalander and his over protective wife

@ Ify, Otele, Pres-elect

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Toshmann ndeewo o.