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A child should start school when he/she is in his/her fourth year. I myself started nursery school when I was 3 (although it was my fourth year). |
ChinenyeN: I wonder though, if it is actually possible to undo this ezeship business. How exactly could one go about it?Maybe you should ask the people of Abavo kingdom in Ikaland who are in the process of dethroning their own eze (obi). http://www.ikaworld.com/index.php?mod=article&cat=news&article=1095 |
From reading this, I've noticed that we diasporan Nigerians go through similar tribulations in the West: ignorance, rude remarks, culture shock,, and etc. Hopefully, God can grant us the grace to endure and to blossom. May our full potential on this earth be realized, and may we continue to make our families and our homelands proud. I, as an Aro boy, am proud of Ohuabunwa's accomplishments and he has distinguished himself as a true son of Arochukwu. |
Someone forwarded me this message and due to its inspirational qualities, I decided to post it: https://www.channelstv.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Emmanuel-Ohuabunwa.jpg Nigerian breaks academic record at John Hopkins University |
@ Obiagu In order to supplement to what I wrote earlier, I'd like to add this: Any simple event can be responsible for the formation of an entirely new ethnic group or race. Who knows? Maybe two thousand years ago, after chasing a pack of wild boar for several days, a group of brothers decided to split and head off in different directions; one to the east, the other to the west. The brother that went eastward could've been responsible for the founding of the Igala and the other: the Nupe. |
Obiagu1: Your assertion is faulty to an extent. You can't use the growth of the Igbo people in the last 100 years to make a definite statement like "too negligible to form an independent social group". Population of a country, if birth control is not in place, tend to explode as they get larger tending from arithmetic progression to geometric progression. For instance, India could double its population in just 20 years while Nigeria could record only a 30% growth in the same 20 years span.I understand what you're trying to say but remember: Greece's topography can't support a large population. Due to this, the Greeks have always had to leave Greece and settle in foreign lands/colonies which include the areas that now make up: Spain, France, Italy, Egypt, Libya, Turkey, Bulgaria, Syria, Lebanon, and etc. If the worldwide Greek diaspora were counted today (including those with Greek heritage) it would've produced a large number. The Hebrew people's situation is also similar. By 1 ce, Palestine had an estimated 1 million people. If this population had been allowed to grow uninterrupted by the various wars, genocides, invasions, and dispersions that have affected the Hebrew people since then, the Hebrew population would've been much larger than it is now (that is if the land's population capacity hadn't been reached). Time means a general increase in population which is supplemented by "modern" farming technologies. If a particular population is left uninterrupted for several years, then that population will most definitely grow and reach the population capacity of the land which it dwells upon. However, even of a group is ancient (as in the case of the Greeks and Hebrews), constant warfare, migration, famine, disease, and dispersion will have an effect on its population. The Igbo, as far as I know, haven't experienced anything major prior to the advent of the Europeans. Therefore, their population has been allowed to grow steadily. However, this topic is very difficult to discuss in the Igbo perspective since not all Igbo subgroups claim common origin. |
There's no particular ethnic group that answers the term "Edo". "Edo" is a term that encompasses the Edoid speaking ethnic groups which are Ishan, Bini, Urhobo, Isoko, Etsako, and etc. They all don't speak the same language, however they do fall under the same language group. Besides, (based on what I've seen) members of these groups are comfortable with indentifying themselves as is. For example, my co-mod Michelin always says she's Ishan while Physics (another member) identifies as Bini. |
ChinenyeN: I don't believe you can rightly use the population growth of the past century to make any assertions about the past two thousand years, since the growth of this past century is owed to the acute onset of industrialization. Before industrialization, things remained relatively the same for centuries. So I wouldn't be surprised if the population also remained relatively steady for centuries, rather than declining to a number that would have been too negligible.It's obvious that the population growth rate of Africa after its contact with Europeans is not the same as that before contact. However, Africa's population has not remained stagnant since the first century ce therefore the population of the Igbo (or any ither ethnic group) couldn't have been stagnant since then. In 1 ce, the world had anywhere between 100 million to 300 million people. Africa's population in that period was less than that of Europe and Asia due to the lack of "modern" farming technologies, therefore supposing the world population was 200 million, Africa would've had around 30 million people (these are all rough guesstimates). The Igbo alone couldn't have made up 16 percent of Africa. |
ChinenyeN: Odumchi, I recognize that you understood, and that you were also helping them to understand. I appreciate that, and I appreciate your efforts to arbitrate this, though I feel that your efforts would actually not have be necessary had One Naira and Andre simply read my statement, as I wrote it, instead of them being so quick to take unnecessary offense.Nwanna m nsogbu adighi. I understand clearly what you're saying. |
Spyder, na do well. I meela ukwuu. You have done an excellent job showing us both the beauty and imperfection of Enugu. Enugu mara nma di egwu. Chai, ihe a emeela ulo mu ime m aka nkujo. Ndaa kwan onye ga ezi anyi Abia aga I na eme? Who will do the same for my dear old Abia? |
ChinenyeN: People should learn to read and understand a statement, as it is written.Please, enough of this "people should"; just be direct. I understood everything you said and was even helping buttress your statement. It's just that statements like that can have a wide range of emotional effects. What you intended to mean may not be what another perceives. |
pleep: I didn't say japan was militarily better than anyone. I simply mentioned them because their reasons for adopting firearms was similar to europes reasons. Their military was dominated by heavily armored knights (samurai) the only way to counter their power was to adopt firearms.Hmmm... For Europe, maybe. For Japan, I doubt it. The reasons the Japanese adopted firearms were different from the reasons of the Europeans. Japan was given firearms (cannon and muskets) by the Dutch in the 16th century. From that time to the collapse of the Shogunate (1880s), the Japanese military never totally alternated to firearms. The Samurai warriors were still the premiere fighting forces in combat and their weapons were the same as always: a katana (world's sharpest sword), some short swords, and a bow. In battles, the Japanese rarely used European artillery or guns. However, I do remember watching a film that highlighted the military transitional period in Japan. I remember a battle scene in which two opposing forces (one loyal to the traditional lifestyle and made up of samurai, the other pro-Western and armed with modern rifles) fought each other sometime in the 19th century. The samurai charged the infantrymen and were massacred by the gunfire. After suffering a gunshot wound, in his dying breath, the samurai commander uttered: "this marks the end of the samurai era". |
On a serious note, I kind of understand what Chinenye is trying to say. He's trying to say that the discrimination (if at all there is any) exists towards the "typical" south eastern Igbo and not necessarily to the Igbo outside of the "five Igbo states". However, I believe he could've said the same thing in a better way instead of saying that "technically, One_Naira is not Igbo". Maybe Chinenye's point could've been buttressed with quotations or something. Anyway, in this case, there's really no way to differentiate an Asaba Igboman (as One_Naira is) from an Onicha Igboman so the stigma doesn't necessarily apply to him. However if he were an Igboman from Agbor or Kwale then maybe the distinction between he and an Igbo from Abakaliki or Umuahia could've been made. |
ChinenyeN: You're Delta state. You're technically [b]not [/b]Igbo, in context of this discussion.Chineke mee! Biko, ekwukwa udi ihe a odo... |
cowgurl: Hmm, I see. Thanks for the tip Odumchi, but me spending more time in my village is scary as hell as we don't really go down there cept for the festivities and after that, the village is not going to be fun to hang around in, I'l js get dead bored to my bones.Well, if you want to help yourself you will have to get over your fear of your village (your own father's land) and spend some time there. It will help you more than you think, trust me. As for myself, I plan to do something similar. Since I left my ancestral town when I was small, I didn't get a chance to fully learn Ikpanja (a dialect of Ibibio which we speak as a second language). I plan to live in my fatherland so I can learn this language. |
@ Pleep, yes I am a mod now. Good to see you back old pal. As for the Europeans, I was referring to longbows instead of crossbows. Longbows took nearly twenty years to master whereas a musket could be mastered in a few hours. The musket replaced the sword as European armor technology advanced. However in the Far East, the armor technology did not advance as rapidly as it did in the West, thus the satisfaction with contemporary weapon technologies. In Europe, firearms became necessary when armor became almost impenetrable to arrows. I think the transition from the "armor age" to the "firearm age" occurred between the 15th and 17th centuries. If you take a look at this 16th century Spanish concuistador you'll notice that they're still in the transitional era since they're wearing armor platemail but now carry firearms in addition to the traditional sword/saber/battleaxe/lance. https://zul.lakesideschool.org/lswiki/images/7/7a/ConquistadorsMS.jpg Gunpowder technology most likely spread to Sub Saharan Africa from the Turks via the trans Saharan trade routes. |
Onye igiri aputala na avia. The madman has come to the market. |
Anyway @Afam, I believe that being a moderator means signing off certain liberties such as freedom of expression/speech. There are things that I myself would sometimes like to do/say but can't so as to avoid being seeing as biased. It's all about setting an example for others to follow (at least that's how I see it). @isale_gan2 Thank you very much. @Ileke_Idi I saw this some time ago but didn't feel like replying right away. Anyway goodnight; ka chi fo. |
Ileke-IdI: ![]() |
No problem. "I just dey ooo! Mi just dey suji for ur yan now!! So, wey u dey now?" means "I'm just here o! I am just enjoying! So where are you now?" and "So, wetin you dey para naa?" means "So, what are you doing now?" |
Ndi Igbo ekelem unu. Asim ka m gbamata bia lee otu unu si na edo ihe a. Ihe a unu na eme di mu Ito. Unu gbagide aka mewa. Ekwakwa ka ndi gharagharaghara na ndi mkpasa bia mebie ihe oma a anyi na emere onwe anyi. Unu biko gba onye a no mu na elu nkiti. N'onte ekwukwara ya okwu. O choro ibutara anyi osuaghara. Ekwuo mu ogwu. Maka ihe ga abu omu (logo) anyi, Phoenix ahu di nma maka anyi choro ikulita (ressurect) onwe anyi. Nwere efe mu esee ya. Udo diri unu. Ka anyi mee otu Osadebe si kwuo: "nke ibe ya kwuru onye kwetanu" |
Pleep you're still here? ![]() Interesting question. Anyway, this is my attempt at an answer: Gunpowder itself was discovered accidentally by a chemist who was seeking an elixir for immortality. The Chinese approach to gunpowder was one of wonder/awe and they never really recognized its full destructive potential. In combat, they used gunpowder in small scale in the form of things like rockets, flares, and launchers. Traditionally, they used it in the form of things like fireworks and lanterns. The Chinese isolationist mentality is also responsible for this. This mentality is partly what led them to become disinterested with the dangerous and new powder and satisfied with their traditional weapons such as crossbows, bows, lances and etc. However, gunpowder was appreciated by their neighbors to their immediate West: the Turks. The Turks, around the 13th century, had become more aggressive and power-hungry. As the Turks moved westward, they encountered cities with massive stone walls and fortifications which couldn't be breached with conventional weapons. From then, they applied and adapted Chinese gunpowder technology and began developing small cannons to breach walls. They, initially, used these cannons in small scale. However, by 1453 (the year the Ottoman Turks sacked Constantinople), they had perfected the use of cannons an had even developed heavy cannons which could breach thick walls and had even a few well-trained soldiers (Janissaries) who carried "portable cannon". Despite this, the majority of their military was still without gunpowder. From the Turks modern metallurgy spread to western Europe and to Russia. At that time, the Europeans were still fighting with swords, shields, bows, and armor. The advent of gunpowder in Europe seemed to be a godsend. Since it took years for one to master archery and enter knighthood, the development of portable cannon seemed like the cheapest alternative. This meant that any peasant farmer could become a soldier in a matter of hours rather than years and it also dramatically increased the average European army size. The evolution of the gun started with large, stationary cannon, then to smaller portable ones, to flintlocks, wheel locks, muskets, and then rifles. The English took this technology a step further and put cannon on ships; ultimately changing word history forever onward... |
cowgurl: Am not a resident in any DaRapture. Why ask? Any correlation?The correlation is that most of the people that experience this problem live in the West or outside if their fatherland. At this stage, the easiest way that you can solve your problem would be by spending a year or so in Nigeria (I mean your village/ancestral home). |
EnuguMan: Sorry, I mean, please translate the Igbo to English. thanksOh ok. I didn't understand you meant that. Anyway, as Kengis said, that's not Igbo its Pidgin English. |
EnuguMan: Can someone please translate this for me? "I just dey ooo! Mi just dey suji for ur yan now!! So, wey u dey now?" Also, "So, wetin you dey para naa?"The translation would be: "Nna anom mu ya! M na eri uwa!! Kedu kwan ebe I no kita?" "Nna, gini ka I na eme?" |
I think the line separating a diviner from a herbalist is very thin. Diviners (aka seers) are spiritual men who are well-known for their ability to foresee the future and for their special connection to the spirit world (thus their ability to converse with ndi ogo nmuo). Herbalists are just people who have a thorough knowledge of native plants and their uses. Any botanist can easily become a herbalist. However, those herbalists that have a special connection with the spiritual world that allows them to reach the ancestors, ndi nmuo, and Chukwu himself are Diviners. For example, a man who opens a shrine in his backyard and begins to give away herbal remedies is a herbalist. However, the priest of the shrine to Kamalu or Ibini Ukpabi is known as a diviner. Andre Uweh: Just the same.I understand what you mean. I am one of those people that believe that a perfect balance between Christianity and Omenali should be maintained. I believe that embracing Christianity shouldn't mean abandoning our past. For example in my town if a man dies and foul play is suspected, the man's family (even if Christians) have the right to consult an oracle and prepare the taking of an oath (otita arunsi). |
@ Zeruchi and Crayola Superb job! Nsibidi is an important part of the religious and political structures of the people's occupying the Cross River region. I have recognized some of these pictograms as those painted on the ekpe meeting hall in my village in Arochukwu. The ironic thing is that the ekpe secret society has a strict secrecy policy but yet the type of information you posted still finds a way to get leaked. I like the idea that you guys have. However, making Nsibidi script the replacement for Latin script in Igboland (and adjacent lands) seems thoroughly impractical. Nsibidi is much more complex than the Latin alphabet and is still an integral part of Cross Riverian ekpe secret societies. Imagine the type of cultural upheaval that would result in making such revered arts widely known? |
Andre Uweh: @Wesley80, it is interesting to note that you say Alishi instead or Arushi. In some other places in Igboland, it is called Alusi or alushi.Exactly. wesley80: Dont know much abt other Ndokwa towns but history books are replete with accounts of Aboh paticipation in the slave trade both with the Brits and locally, relics of the ancient trade still litter one of the ancient standing Palaces till today. Slavery was pretty widespread in the ancient Kingdom and one of Prof Isichei's account tells the tale of about 40slaves being buried alongside the very powerful Obi Ossai. As a matter of fact, some in present day Aboh can still point to families who settled in the community after they failed to retrace their original roots, Come to think of it, the Aboh people must have known quite a lot abt Slave trade for their king to have abducted the Lander Brothers and "sold" them off to the Atta of Igala!This is very interesting. Do the Aboh na Ndoni and Ndokwa practice python worship? |
@ Eze Onlytruth, Anam acho ka m deachiri gi imeelu kama o di ka telephonu mi achoghi ibanye hushmeelu. Chi ututu bo echi, m elee kwa ozo oburu o ma ekwe. |
Abi na Noah's flood? |
Dudu_Negro: Well, it is the main opposition power and that is significant for injecting strategies into the polity. Strategies that shape policies at the center and bring the ruling party into compromises. You know the history of PDP in the West. . . we have shaved off their influences.There are four types of political parties in Nigeria: local government parties, state parties, zonal parties, and national parties. ACN is in the process of transitioning from a state party to a zonal party, whereas APGA is a state party seeking to become a zonal party. Despite this, ACN does not have much influence nationally. At the heart of the power circle in Nigeria is PDP closely followed by CPC. The amazing part of this is that the North, although divided by PDP and CPC, still moves in a somewhat singular direction. This shows how political success doesn't require one-party domination. Rather, people should learn to put aside faction rivalry and combine heads and aim for similar goals. What the Igbo (and the East) need is an influential party (or a group of somewhat powerful parties) that will work for our goals on the national level because we are a majority and make up a considerable percentage of this country. ACN, in it's current state, doesn't seem to have the type of influence that umu Igbo are looking for. But then again, I'm not a political expert. Igbo awuu ogo nta, wo wu oke mba. The Igbo aren't a little village, they are a large nation. |
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