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Seems an earlier poster sufficiently addressed this.

TenQ:
The Questions had been:

Who deleted the verse of breastfeeding of adult men from the Quran of Allah?

No I did not.
Educating you about the disparity between variation and difference.

You haven't answered why Christians adopted the derogatory name.

TenQ:
So you admit that the Qurans are different


So which one of the 26 Quran did Jibril reveal to Mohammed?



Like I said: let's put an end to this.

If you make a post, call me and I will respond!

Also a variation assumes one main or central process, theme, or ideology that remains the same.


A difference isolates and emphasises a distinct change.

I notice your interest in learning Arabic. When you are done ask your question.

Translations of the meaning is not the same as the language.

TenQ:
You haven't upgraded from the low level attack from Ahmed Deedat and Zakir Naik.

Which of these Qur'an is not Qur'an?

Sahih International
Pickthall
Yusuf Ali
Muhsin Khan
Shakir
Dr. Mustafa Khattab
Saheeh International
Abdul Haleem
Abdullah Yusuf Ali
Muhammad Taqi-ud-Din al-Hilali and Muhammad Muhsin Khan

Do you need more?
You don't even know that there are up to 70 English translation of the Qur'an?



Okay Abdul,
Which one of these is the true Arabic Qur'an

Hafs an Aasim
Warsh an Naafi'
Qalun an Naafi'
Al-Duri an Abu Amr
Khalaf an Hamzah
Khallad an Hamzah

Do you need more?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHG8SxmO6xk&pp=ygUXRGlmZmVyZW50IEFyYWJpYyBRdXInYW4%3D

A longer version if you have the patience


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcoMB8nJWmw&t=66s&pp=ygUXRGlmZmVyZW50IEFyYWJpYyBRdXInYW4%3D

Obviously that was a typo. Was resonding to you question on Israel isn't it.

TenQ:
You said:
"Isaac is the other name for Yakub a.s"!?

You fall my hand Abdul. Seriously ehn!

This was why Allah told you to ask us the people of the book when you are confused about God!

Let me educate you sir:
Isaac is NOT Yakub. Isaac is the Father of Yakub.


The question I asked is:

Who is Israel in the Qur'an?
Wasn't he mentioned by Allah in the Quran?

So which version is correct? The KJV or NIV in an ever evolving bible?

Upgrade ever! Ridiculous!

TenQ:
You explain!
As your royal Abdul sees not
towards the setting sun
but
at the setting sun!

Even the human written Bible exceeds your Quran by light years.

Jesus did not name them Christians but they were given the derogatory name and have taken to it?

Odiegwu!

TenQ:
What reply?
Is kissing the black stone not because it will erase your sin and admit you to paradise?

Don't you Muslims pray towards the black stone of the idolaters of Mecca?

Is the black stone not that which is worshiped by the idolaters before Mohammed?

Did Jesus name his followers christians?
No He didn't for he did not come to set up a religion but a relationship with His Father in Heaven. People gave the derogatory name Christians to people who call God their Father.
Acts 11:26:
"and when he had found him, he brought him unto An´ti-och. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in An´ti-och."



Did he tell you he is God or equal to Him?
Jesus mission wasn't to advertise Himself as God even though He is.

John 10:30-31:
"I and my Father are one.
Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him."
John 5:18:
"Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God."

Phil 2:6-7:
"Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took on him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:"


Col 1:15-17:
"Who is the image of the invisible God , the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."

John 14:8-9:
"Philip said to him, Lord, show us the Father, and it suffises us. Jesus said to him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet have you not known me, Philip? he that has seen me has seen the Father; and how say you then, Show us the Father?"


How about having images of living things?
Anyone who kisses or bows before any object as an act of spiritual worship is an idolater!



Bowing to God, washing body parts like hands, heads, legs and to teach others. Females covering head?
Within public worship a woman is expected to cover her head as a sign that she is under the authority of her husband.
1Cor 11:5:
"But every woman that prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven."




Is kissing the black stone not because it will erase your sin and admit you to paradise?

Don't you Muslims pray towards the black stone of the idolaters of Mecca?

Is the black stone not that which is worshiped by the idolaters before Mohammed?

*He shall purify the house with the bird’s blood.


Isaac is the other name for Yakub a.s

[quote author=TenQ post=124941883]Did Abraham sacrifice a Ram as an act of worship? It is pathogens he was cultivating!
SMH!

You can see clearly that you know NOTHING about the Religion of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.


I ask you again, who is Israel?
You can't know...!

You know blood is good media for pathogens growth or you are ignorant of this?

Did Abraham sacrifice his son? Therein is the difference.

TenQ:
When you spew ignorance shamelessly that you don't know the purpose of sacrifice as prescribed by God in the religion of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!

Did God ask Abraham to sacrifice his son for Him? Is this Nollywood too?

And you claim you follow the Religion of Abraham! SMH!

It is as written in your Bible. KJV
Let's see another. Same verse.

30 As you know, these mountains are across the Jordan, westward, toward the setting sun, near the great trees of Moreh, in the territory of those Canaanites living in the Arabah in the vicinity of Gilgal. (NIV)

The Mountains are towards the setting sun? The setting sun is at a fixed location in the territory of the Canaanites living in the Arabah?

Explain please.

TenQ:
Please remove the comma so that you can read it as it pleases you.
LOL!

Allah should know better that Zul-qarnain meeting a people who live at the setting of the sun.

This act is what please?
Leviticus 14:
49 To purify the house he is to take two birds and some cedar wood, scarlet yarn and hyssop.
50 He shall kill one of the birds over fresh water in a clay pot.
51 Then he is to take the cedar wood, the hyssop, the scarlet yarn and the live bird, dip them into the blood of the dead bird and the fresh water, and sprinkle the house seven times.
52 He shall purify the house with the bird’s blood, the fresh water, the live bird, the cedar wood, the hyssop and the scarlet yarn. 53 Then he is to release the live bird in the open fields outside the town. In this way he will make atonement for the house, and it will be clean.”

Bird killing, bird deeping and sprinkling
Nollywood is still a learner

TenQ:
Qur'an s it not true according to your religion that shooting stars are missiles thrown at the Jinn for eavesdropping the words of Allah in Heaven?


Shooting stars are massively big physical structures, shaitan (non physical being) and the Jinn is so small that shaitan can urinate in the noses of Muslims : does this not sound like a myth to you?

If it is not a myth, is it REAL occurence?

Deuteronomy 11:30
Are they not on the other side Jordan, by the way where the sun goeth down, in the land of the Canaanites, which dwell in the champaign over against Gilgal, beside the plains of Moreh?

The sun goeth down in the land of the Canaanites?

TenQ:
You don't even know Abraham :
If you think you know Abraham, who is Israel your Quran speak about?

About Suleiman, your Islamic books explained in detail that Sulayman died for Almost ONE WHOLE YEAR and no one noticed it.
1. Tafsir Ibn Kathir Qur'an 34:14
2. Tafsir Ibn ‘Abbâs Qur'an 34:14
3. Tafsir Al-Jalalayn Qur'an 34:14
These are your trusted scholars o!

About Zul-qarnain
According to your Qur'an :
1. Since Zul-qarnain found a people at the locality, he actually reached the locality not the boundary. What do you think made up the BOUNDARY of the locality?
2. the setting of the sun is alike almost everywhere in the world as FAR into the horizon so that his perception of the sun as going down into a spring of muddy water is senseless (as you cant see the water in the horizon to even determine its colour). Does commons sense tell one that he can see the colour of water as muddy and black at the HORIZON?
3. the locality being towards the west suggests that Zul-qarnain or Allah thinks that the sun sets towards the west. Is this true from your knowledge of Geography does the sun set toward the West? (Note: this report was not by Zul-qarnain but by Allah and Allah should be outside the earth overlooking the solar system)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCid83kRA2I

Poison took how many years to act?

Crosscheck the refererences!

Didn't intend to get drawn into this discussion just meant to clarify the Prophet Muhammad sa death not being due to poison.

Different prophets had different roles to play and some don't have known deaths or graves like Moses, Elijah who went away on a chariot, Enoch; who was so righteous, and got to paradise in the hereafter without dying and getting buried/decomposing to Jesus who is yet to die.

I can't say much about Jesus as no one is absolutely sure but know his return are amongst the signs heralding the end of the world. It is then he will complete his earthly years, die and be buried.

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“‘A’ishahra narrates that during his last days, the Holy Prophetsa would say, ‘O ‘A’ishah! I have always felt the effects of what I ate at Khaybar. Even today, I feel as if my insides have been greatly affected due to the poison.’ (Sahih al-Bukhari, Kitab al-maghazi, Bab marad an-Nabisa wa-wafatihi, Hadith 5073)

“From this hadith, some Muslims – exegetes and scholars of hadith – have inferred that the Holy Prophet sa passed away due to the effects of the poison.
Some of them then explain that owing to this, the Holy Prophet sa can be deemed as a martyr, whereas this narration does not support this viewpoint.

In this narration, the Holy Prophet sa simply expressed a sense of pain he felt. Everyone is aware that an injury or [specific] pain can revert at times owing to certain factors. If one analyses the details regarding the narrations about the Holy Prophetsa eating poisoned meat at the time of Khaybar, it is also written that the Holy Prophet sa put the poisoned meat in his mouth but did not swallow it. Even if he did swallow it, the fact that he lived a healthy life for between 4 and 5 years+ is proof that his death was not a result of the poison. Indeed, the poison would have had a severe effect on the stomach or intestines and this is a natural consequence of it. Likewise, since the morsel was placed in his mouth, it would have affected the uvula and owing to this he may have occasionally felt pain whilst eating.

Some present the following hadith in an attempt to suggest that the Prophet Muhammadsa felt his aorta being cut towards the end of his life due to the poison.

Ummul-Mu’minin ‘A’ishahra narrated, “The Prophetsa, in his ailment in which he died, used to say, ‘O ‘A’ishah! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaybar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison.’” (Sahih al-Bukhari, Kitab al-maghazi, 4428)

They try to infer that this means he was a liar, God forbid, according to the following verses of the Holy Quran:

‘And if he had forged and attributed any sayings to Us, We would surely have seized him by the right hand, And then surely We would have severed his life-artery, And not one of you could have held Us off from him.’ (Surah al-Haqqah, Ch.69: V.45-48)

First of all, the words referring to the veins in the Quran and the Hadith speak of two different veins or arteries. When looking at the Arabic text (the Quran uses “al-watin” while the Hadith uses “al-abhar”). This alone disproves the claim; as the Prophetsa did not feel any pain in his al-watin according to any narration.

You don’t need to be a scientist to know that the human body has countless veins and arteries, this verse only speaks of the jugular vein.

Did the poison kill Prophet Muhammad sa?


If we look further into the narrations, we find that although the poison failed to kill the Prophet sa, it did, however, lead to the martyrdom of his companion, Bishrra b. al-Bara’. This is further testimony that the poison really had the power to kill a person, however, despite that, the Prophetsa still did not die from it. [color=#770077]

Who other than God was behind such a miracle?

This detailed narration presented by the Musleh-e Maud, Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmud Ahmadra is also given below:

“A Jewish woman asked the Companions ra what part of an animal the Holy Prophet sa preferred to eat. She was told that he preferred the shoulder of lamb or goat. The woman slaughtered a goat and made cutlets on hot stones. Then she mixed with them a deadly poison, especially in pieces cut from the shoulder, believing the Holy Prophet sa would prefer them. The Holy Prophet sa was returning to his tent, having led the evening prayers in congregation. He saw this woman waiting for him near his tent and asked, ‘Is there anything I can do for you?’ ‘She said, ‘Yes, Abul-Qasim, you can accept a present from me.’ The Holy Prophet sa asked a Companion to take whatever the woman had brought. When the Holy Prophet sa sat down to eat his meal, this present of roasted meat was also laid before him. The Holy Prophet sa took a morsel. A Companion Bishrra b. al-Bara’ b. Ma‘rur also took a morsel. The other Companions present at the meal stretched their hands to eat the meat. But the Holy Prophet sa stopped them saying, ‘My hand has informed me that the meat has been poisoned.’”

He further writes:

“The Holy Prophet sa then sent for the woman and asked her if she had poisoned the meat. The woman asked the Holy Prophet sa how he ever got to know about it. The Prophet sa was holding a piece of the goat in his hand, and said, ‘My hand told me this,’ The woman then realised that the Holy Prophet sa had discovered the truth. The woman admitted what she had done. The Holy Prophet sa asked, ‘What made you commit such a heinous act?’ She replied, ‘My people were at war with you and my relations were killed in this battle, I decided to poison you, believing that if you were an impostor, you would die and we should be safe, but if you were a Prophet, God would save you.’ Hearing this explanation, the Holy Prophet sa forgave the woman. Otherwise, she would surely have been given the death penalty. This incident shows that the Holy Prophetsa was ever ready to forgive those who attacked him and his followers, and punished only when punishment was necessary when it was feared the guilty one would continue to cause mischief and strife.” (Dibachah-yi Tafsir-ul-Quran, Anwar-ul-Ulum, Vol. 20, pp. 327ff.)

What we know about the incident of the poisoning attempt
These are the most authentic narrations which mention this incident, and even in that, there are variations. So it seems that narrators have different opinions and collective memories of how things actually happened. What we do know from the following narrations is this:

The event happened at the fall of Khaybar.
Cooked sheep was presented to the Holy Prophet sa as a gift.
It was either presented by a lady of Khaybar or a group of Jews. The lady may have been Zaynab bint al-Harith.
The meat was poisoned as a test to see if the Prophet sa would die or survive as a test of his truthfulness.
The Prophet sa put the meat in his mouth.
The Prophet Muhammad sa immediately realised that the meat was poisoned.
He spat the meat out and/or did not continue to eat the meat.
The lady/Jews witnessed that he did not die and admitted that it was a test which was unsuccessful.
The Prophet Muhammad sa informed the woman that she would never have been successful in trying to kill him.
Another companion called Bishrra died from eating the poisoned meat.
It is clear from the narrations that the test itself and the attempt to murder the Prophet sa on the occasion completely failed. Not only this, the Jews were absolutely stunned as to how the Prophet sa could have possibly found out about the poison. This strongly infers that they were convinced of the fact that he had Divine support with him. Hence, this event actually supports the argument that the Holy Prophet Muhammad sa was a true Prophet of God because even the Jews, who tested him, were unable to see the success of their assassination attempt. Rather, they had no choice but to admit to how their plan had gone in vain.

Failed assassination attempts against the Holy Prophet sa
A noteworthy point to make here about the isolated assassination attempt by poisoning at Khaybar is that this is not the only time the opponents tried to assassinate the Prophet Muhammadsa, in fact, there were many more failed attempts, some of which are as follows:

We find one attempt by the Jews to kill him when he was just an infant staying with Halima Sa’diyya. (Sunan Abi Dawud, 3004)

Abu Jahl plots to kill him but flees when angels intervene. (Ibn Ishaq’s Sirat Rasul Allah – The Life of Muhammad, trans. A. Guillaume, Oxford University Press, Seventeenth Impression, 2004, pp. 133ff.)

The people of Ta’if throw stones at Prophet sa, leaving him drenched in blood. He survives and the people of Ta’if accept Islam instead. (Sir Muhammad Zafrulla Khanra, Muhammad: The Seal of Prophets, Islam International Publications, 2012, p. 66)

Umar plots to kill the Prophet sa but instead accepts Islam and is now buried next to him. (Hazrat Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmud Ahmadra, Life of Muhammadsa, Islam International Publications, 2013, p. 38)

A party of disbelievers puts a cloth around the Prophet’s sa neck and drags him to kill him, however, this was intervened by his companions. (Ibid, p. 17)

The Meccan tribes try to kill the Prophet sa before he migrates to Medina. They wait outside his house all night, however, he has already left. (Ibid, p. 50)

A bounty is put on the head of the Prophet sa during the migration of Medina. Suraqahra b. Malik locates the Prophetsa, but rather than killing him, he eventually accepts Islam. (Ibid, p. 52)

The Prophet sa is confronted by a man with a sword while he is resting under a tree. The man says to the Prophetsa ‘Who will save you now?’. The Prophetsa replies ‘Allah’. Rather than killing him, the man drops his sword and becomes a supporter of Islam. (Rashid Choudhry, Stories from Early Islam, Islam International Publications, 1990, p. 121)

Banu Nadir appoint ‘Amr b. Jahsh to throw a boulder on the head of the Prophet sa from a cliff. The Prophet sa is informed by Angel Gabrielas about this, and their plan fails. (William Muir, The life of Mahomet and history of Islam to the era of the Hegira, Vol. 4, 1861, Smith, Elder & Co., p. 308)

A hypocrite plans to kill the Prophet sa: Ibn Hajar states, “Ibn ‘Abd al-Barr mentioned in his Kitab ad-Durar that the Prophet sa passed by him while he was intent on suddenly attacking him, and so the Prophetsa asked, ‘What are you thinking about?’ He said, ‘Nothing. I was engaged in the remembrance of Allah.’ The Prophet sa laughed and said, ‘I seek forgiveness from Allah for you’ then placed his hand on his chest. ‘Fadala said, ‘By Allah, he had not even lifted his hand from my chest until I did not find anyone more beloved to me on the face of the earth than him.’” (Sharh Sahih al-Bukhari, Book 93, Hadith 599)

The botched assassination attempt of ‘Aqaba 9 AH mentioned in Dala’il an-Nubuwwah, al-Bayhaqi, V. 5, p. 256, Dar-ul-Isha‘ah, Karachi, 2009)

The failed attack on the Prophet sa in the valley of Hunayn. The Prophetsa returned stating: ‘I am the Prophet, there is no untruth about it’. (Sahih al-Bukhari, Kitab al-maghazi, 4316)

And finally, the poisoning attempt at Khaybar.
These are just but a few failed attempts at the life of the Holy Prophet Muhammadsa. Can anyone, after reading this, stand up and say that God did not indeed protect the Prophet sa?

We will now investigate the main point of discussion, i.e., no. 13, which inevitably has the same outcome as the 12 before it.

The isolated case of the poisoning attempt at Khaybar
Like all the incidents above, this incident also testifies only to the truth that indeed God was with the Holy Prophet sa.

Let us now delve into the sources.

Everything hinges on a series of varied narrations found in the books of Hadith regarding the incident of Khaybar in which the Holy Prophet sa was presented with some poisoned meat. This event took place in 6/7 AH. The various narrations are as follows:

Abu Hurayrahra narrated, “When Khaybar was conquered, a roasted poisoned sheep was presented to the Prophetsa as a gift [by the Jews]. Allah’s Messenger sa said, ‘Let all the Jews who have been here, be assembled before me.’ The Jews were gathered and Allah’s Messengersa said, ‘Will you now tell me the truth if I ask you about something?’ They replied, ‘Yes.’ He asked, ‘Have you poisoned this sheep?’ They said, ‘Yes.’ He asked, ‘What made you do that?’ They said, ‘We wanted to know if you were a liar in which case we would have got rid of you, and if you are a Prophet then the poison would not harm you.’” ( Sahih al-Bukhari, Kitab att-tibb, 5777)

Anasra reported, “A Jewess came to Allah’s Messenger sa with poisoned mutton and he took of that what had been brought to him. He called for her and asked her about that, whereupon she said, ‘I had determined to kill you.’ Thereupon he said, ‘Allah will never give you the power to do it.’” (Sahih Muslim, 2190a)

Abu Hurayrahra narrated, “When Khaybar was conquered, a (cooked) sheep containing poison, was given as a present to Allah’s Messenger sa.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, Kitab att-tibb, 4249)

When the Prophet sa had rested, Zaynab, the daughter of al-Harith, the wife of Sallam b. Mishkam prepared for him a roast lamb, having first inquired what joint he preferred. When she learned that it was the shoulder she put a lot of poison in it and poisoned the whole lamb. Then she brought it in and placed it before him. He took hold of the shoulder and chewed a morsel of it, but he did not swallow it. Bishrra b al-Bara’ b. Ma‘rur who was with him took some of it as the Prophet sa had done, but he swallowed it, while the Apostle sa spat it out, saying, ‘This bone tells me that it is poisoned.’ Then he called for the woman and she confessed, and when he asked her what had induced her to do this she answered: ‘You know what you have done to my people. I said to myself, ‘If he is a king I shall ease myself of him and if he is a Prophet he will be informed [of what I have done].’ So the Prophet sa let her off. Bishrra died from what he had eaten. (Life of Muhammad, Ibn Ishaq, Translated by A Guillaume, Oxford University Press Karachi, 1998, p. 516)
The Conquest of Khaybar occurred in 7 A.H. (Life of Muhammad, Ibn Ishaq, Translated by A Guillaume, Oxford University Press Karachi, 1998, p. 510)

TenQ:
EVIDENCE FROM ISLAMIC SOURCES
But then, How did Mohammed Die?
A little History:
Zaynab bint Al-Harith was a Jewish woman who attempted to assassinate
Muhammad by poisoning after the battle of Khaybar after their defeat
fat the hands of the Muslims. In the course of negotiating the terms
of surrender, Zaynab volunteered to cook a lamb for Mohammed.
Mohammed took some of the lamb meat and chewed a morsel of it, but he
did not swallow it. Bishr b. al-Bara b. Ma’rur who was with him took
some of it as the apostle had done, but he swallowed it, while the apostle spat it out, saying, ‘This bone tells me that it is poisoned.’ Bishr became paralised and died shortly after.

Zaynab's Motivation:'
The Messenger of God called Zaynab, and said, "Did you poison the shoulder?" She said, "Who told you?" He replied, "The shoulder." She said, "Yes." He asked, "What persuaded you to do that?" She said, "You
killed my father, my uncle and my husband. You took from my people what you took. I said to myself: If he is a prophet he will be
informed. The sheep will inform him of what I did. If he is a king, we will be relieved of him."

From that time, Mohammed's health deteriorated badly and died with no
one able to help him recover.
Contrary to some modern Muslims recent narratives, here is what

Mohammed himself said:
Mohammed's Testimony:
1. Sahih al-Bukhari 4428
Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O 'Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison."

2. Sahih al-Bukhari 2617: Book 51, Hadith 49
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
A Jewess brought a poisoned (cooked) sheep for the Prophet (ﷺ) who ate from it. She was brought to the Prophet and he was asked, "Shall we kill her?" He said, "No." I continued to see the effect of the poison on the palate of the mouth of Allah's Messenger

3. Sunan Abi Dawud 4512 : Book 41, Hadith 19
Narrated Abu Hurairah:
.....
This version adds: So a Jewess presented him at Khaybar with a roasted sheep which she had poisoned. The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) ate of it and the people also ate.
He then said: Take away your hands (from the food), for it has informed me that it is poisoned. Bishr ibn al-Bara' ibn Ma'rur
al-Ansari died.
So he (the Prophet) sent for the Jewess (and said to her): What motivated you to do the work you have done?
She said: If you were a prophet, it would not harm you; but if you were a king, I should rid the people of you. The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) then ordered regarding her and she was killed.
He then said about the pain of which he died: I continued to feel pain from the morsel which I had eaten at Khaybar.
This is the time when it has cut off my
aorta.