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Christianity Etc › Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Ohyoudidnt: 12:12am On Sep 08, 2023

2 Thessalonians 2:11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie

Is this not God categorically sending them delusions according to the Bible?

SIRTee15:
I have investigated and now know where your problem is coming from.
As usual, the Koran which is a book of contradiction has done it again....and that's why it's followers cannot explain where evil comes from.

Does evil come from Allah?

Yes

.... If some good befalls them, they say "This is from Allah". But if evil, they say "This is from thee" (O prophet). Say: "All things are from Allah....
Quran 4:78

Does evil come from Allah

No

Whatever good, (O man!) happens to thee, is from Allah. But whatever evil happens to thee, is from thyself. But what has come to these people. That they fail to understand a single fact
Quran 4:79

So Ohyoudidnt above is the reason u want to extrapolate koranic teaching into the bible by fire by force.

Ok tell us Does evil come from Allah?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Ohyoudidnt: 11:44pm On Sep 07, 2023*

You are right. I however don't have a problem.

Q2:45And seek help in patience and As-Salat (the prayer) and truly it is extremely heavy and hard except for Al-Khashi’un [i.e. the true believers in Allah – those who obey Allah with full submission, fear much from His Punishment, and believe in His Promise (Paradise, etc.) and in His Warnings (Hell, etc.)].

2 Thessalonians 2:11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie

Sure you will defend why this occurs? If there's nothing contrary coming from your God why then does he do this and make them believe a lie?

God deliberately wants them deceived?

Quran 4:78
Wheresoever you may be, death will overtake you even if you are in fortresses built up strong and high!” And if some good reaches them, they say, “This is from Allah,” but if some evil befalls them, they say, “This is from you (O Muhammad SAW).” Say: “All things are from Allah,” so what is wrong with these people that they fail to understand any word?

Quran 29:2
Do men think that they will be left alone on saying ‘We believe’ and that they will not be tested?

Quran 2:154-157
And We will surely test you with something of fear and hunger and a loss of wealth and lives and fruits, but give good tidings to the patient,

Who, when disaster strikes them, say, "Indeed we belong to Allah , and indeed to Him we will return

Those are the ones upon whom are blessings from their Lord and mercy. And it is those who are the [rightly] guided.

To those who believe and do deeds of righteousness has Allah promised forgiveness and a great reward. (Quran 5:9)

Those who believe, and work righteousness, their Lord will guide them because of their faith, beneath them will flow rivers in gardens of bliss. (Quran 10:9)

No authority has he (i.e. Shaitaan) over those who believe and put their trust in their Lord. (Quran 16:99)

As to those who believe and work righteousness, verily We shall not suffer to perish the reward of any who do a (single) righteous deed. (Quran 18:30)

SIRTee15:
I have investigated and now know where your problem is coming from.
As usual, the Koran which is a book of contradiction has done it again....and that's why it's followers cannot explain where evil comes from.

Give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therein, they say: “Why, this is what we were fed with before,” for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy), and they abide therein (for ever). (Quran 2:25)

Quran 2:154 I believe answers you.

Does evil come from Allah?

Yes

.... If some good befalls them, they say "This is from Allah". But if evil, they say "This is from thee" (O prophet). Say: "All things are from Allah....
Quran 4:78

Does evil come from Allah

No

Whatever good, (O man!) happens to thee, is from Allah. But whatever evil happens to thee, is from thyself. But what has come to these people. That they fail to understand a single fact
Quran 4:79

So Ohyoudidnt above is the reason u want to extrapolate koranic teaching into the bible by fire by force.

Ok tell us Does evil come from Allah?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Ohyoudidnt: 2:30pm On Sep 07, 2023

Are things on Earth not regulated? Would you prefer permanent daylight or night?

You tend not to appreciate the balance in the
duality of sets of two opposing and complementing occurences.

Does anything exist that wasn't created? Do you believe these created themselves or evolved on their own?

Did Allah not know there will be mischief makers amongst mankind?
The presence and absence is only by Allah's leave and will.

SIRTee15:
I think we are on a different tangent entirely.
The focus of my argument is does God create evil? Can he create evil? Does evil proceed from him
I guess I will include logic to my argument to give u better understanding.

Rain is not evil. Rainfall is actually a blessing created by God for fruitfulness.
There are thousands reasons why there could be drought- natural cause or man made action. If God uses drought to call attention of his people to their sinful life, that doesn't mean God created drought.

Drought is not an entity or existence on it's own Drought is absence of rainfall, absence of an existence that was created.

Rainfall was created, drought wasn't created. So u cannot say drought proceed from God because it wasn't part of creation. Do u get it now?

When God created the earth. He only created good things.
That was why he looked at his work and said this is good.

31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

So God will create disease, tornado, drought, flood, earthquake, tsunami, will look at them and then say they are good!!!!
Common, don't be a dogmatic religious bigot.

It doesn't make sense for God to call bad things good.
God only made good things during in genesis 1 which is the creation story.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1 Timothy 4.4-5

I mention the phrase ontological evil, have a look into it. It will give u a better insight to out debate. Also look into moral evil and natural evil.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Ohyoudidnt: 11:41am On Sep 07, 2023

Interesting that you make reference to contextual applications; how come those who antagonize Arabic in Islamic text don't remember this?

In Amos 5:15 after numerous verses stating punishment and retribution doesn't there exist Hate the evil, and love the good, and establish judgment in the gate: it may be that the Lord God of hosts will be gracious unto the remnant of Joseph.

Do you now see the connection I try to explain?
Often times most of mankind forgets the almighty until some distress or calamity befalls them? Could this be a way to remind and draw back mankind to righteousness?

In Amos 4:7 reads And also I have withholden the rain from you, when there were yet three months to the harvest: and I caused it to rain upon one city, and caused it not to rain upon another city: one piece was rained upon, and the piece whereupon it rained not withered.

Does this not show how God blesses and reduces from his creation as he wishes?
Is the withholding of blessing not seen by those who suffer it as evil or distress? Who controls or permits this?
Check Quran 3:26

SIRTee15:
The Hebrew word for evil is rah. This word is not specific for evil but could also be used for calamity, disaster, mischief, adversity, affliction.
U have to look at the contextual application of the word evil to understand how it's used.

In Amos 3. God is declaring punishment upon the children of Israel for their iniquities.

Hear this word that the Lord hath spoken against you, O children of Israel, against the whole family which I brought up from the land of Egypt, saying,

2 You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities.

Just like God visited calamity upon the Egyptians for their sin, God will do the same upon the city of Israel.

Calamity can be natural disasters, famine, flood, drought, war etc. These are are not moral evils. Lack of plenty is not moral evil, excess of rainfall is not moral evil, war is as a result of human action.

As I said earlier, moral evil doesn't proceed from God, the “evil” that is spoken of is not ontological evil, but the evil experienced by people in the form of negative consequences of nature and evil as a result human action.

God is pure and holy. Evil cannot proceed from something that's pure. Corruption cannot proceed from that which is holy. It's impossible.

“The Rock! His work is perfect, For all His ways are just; a God of faithfulness and without injustice, righteous and upright is He,” (Deut. 32:4).

Do God allows evil to happen? Yes. Can God visit evil upon mankind as punishment for sin? Yes.
This may raise other questions of why God would allow such a thing, but that's another topic entirely.

But the point here is evil do not proceed from God. He does not generate evil.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Ohyoudidnt: 12:00am On Sep 07, 2023

Even if we were identical twins our belief can never be the same. Levels of belief are not fixed and grow or reduce by the moment.

Be the best for yourself and to whom you worship.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Ohyoudidnt: 11:53pm On Sep 06, 2023

A little more from your Bible which may improve your understanding.

Amos 3:6

KJ21
Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? Shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?

ASV
Shall the trumpet be blown in a city, and the people not be afraid? shall evil befall a city, and Jehovah hath not done it?

AMP
If a trumpet is blown in a city [warning of danger] will not the people tremble? If a disaster or misfortune occurs in a city has not the Lord caused it?

AMPC
Shall a trumpet be blown in the city and the people not be alarmed and afraid? Shall misfortune or evil occur [as punishment] and the Lord has not caused it?

BRG
Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?

SIRTee15:
Furthermore, the holiness of God is the reason disobedience is regarded as a very serious sin to God. He punish disobedience severely because it's considered an affront to his authority and attempt to corrupt his very holy nature.

I noticed u ask if God created the devil...well I dont want to go into detail but just know in the bible we have what we call the soul.
This soul is responsible for its action, action that comes from his thought process and inclination.
That's how God created the soul.
We don't believe the soul is a robotic entity that's been programmed to follow that which has been downloaded into it from onset. That's Islam and not Christianity.

Talking about rabbinical Jews, they base their interpretation of the torah on the Talmud which is mostly oral traditions passed down from generation to generation. It's more like someone said that, somebody knew someone that said that..like the Muslim's hadith.
I wouldn't base my exegesis of the bible on the Talmud which is influenced by the understanding of God during the Jewish Babylonian era.

If u want to know God, the only true God. I will advise you to study the Pentateuch in the bible. Read genesis to Deuteronomy to know the very true nature of the Almighty God. Then read the book of Isaiah to get a picture of the dynamic nature of God.
I can assure u will only come to one conclusion...the God of the bible IS NOT the Allah in Koran.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Ohyoudidnt: 2:34pm On Sep 05, 2023

Perharps. Who created whom or what we see as the devil? I seem to get the point of Rabbi Tovia that Christianity is based on a Superman like belief who always is on time to save the day and probably prevent all disliked things. Realistically this is not for life on this earth and is impractical.

Misunderstanding the concept of God's all-powerful and all-loving nature can be challenging. Our understanding of what is considered bad is limited and subjective. Short-term negative events can sometimes lead to long-term positive outcomes such as personal growth or societal progress. Our perspectives and understanding of the world vary greatly based on individual experiences, beliefs, and values. (did the one who was distressed not repent and refrain from bad acts?)

Labeling something as universally bad fails to consider the complexity of human experiences and perspectives. Therefore, it is essential to approach situations with an open mind and a willingness to broaden our understanding, recognizing that seemingly negative circumstances can eventually lead to positive outcomes.

SIRTee15:
God doesn't create moral evil, he's not responsible for it. evil doesnt proceed from the LORD. That's what my bible tells me.

“Thine eyes are too pure to approve evil, and Thou cannot not look on wickedness with favor,” (Hab. 1:13).

You are good and do only good; teach me your decrees. psalm 119.68

Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. 14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. James 1.13-14

The distressing spirit is obviously a mental illness. That cannot proceed from God because he is holy and illness is an infirmity, That's why there's no disease in heaven.
And the inhabitant of Zion shall not say, I am sick: the people that dwell therein shall be forgiven their iniquity. Isaiah 33.24
Also read Isaiah 65:17-25

The distressing spirit on Saul is the result of the spirit of God departing from him. Yes, God allowed it but didn't proceed from him.

well pictures dont lie. I've seen muslims multiple times bowing down in front of the kabba and even licking the stone for whatever reason.
Maybe u should listen to your Allah and stop worshiping your deity in front of a stone. it's idolatry.
Until Muslims stop bowing down in front a stone when worshipping their god, Allah isnt the God of the bible.
YAHWEH forbid bowing down before a stone even if sacred. He hates it.

“‘Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the Lord your God. lev 26.1

Do not set up any wooden Asherah pole beside the altar you build to the Lord your God, and do not erect a sacred stone , for these the Lord your God hates. deut 16.22

God repeatedly warned Israelites not to bow to a stone or worship it. That's because worship of sacred stone is a common practice in the ancient Canaanite and middle eastern region. I guess that's where the pre-islamic arabia copied it.
God hates it and out rightly condemned it. Rather this is what God wants u to do to sacred stones.

Do not bow down before their gods or worship them or follow their practices. You must demolish them and break their sacred stones to pieces . Exodus 23.24

Christianity Etc › Re: Is Jesus God:the Quran Evidence by Ohyoudidnt: 7:33pm On Sep 04, 2023

The Qur’an uses the phrase that Allah is “the best of creators” [23:14, 37:125] on two occasions. What other creators are in mind? On the other hand, many verses make clear that Allah alone is “the creator of all things” [e.g., 39:62].

There is nothing left for others to be a creator of.
23:14 “Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!
* translation of the meaning*

TenQ:
I don't know?

Didn't Allah say that he is the best of the creators?

Christianity Etc › Re: Is Jesus God:the Quran Evidence by Ohyoudidnt: 7:29pm On Sep 04, 2023

The Hebrew word משיח, pronounced as "Mashiach," is rich in meaning and holds immense significance in Jewish beliefs and traditions. It refers to the concept of the Messiah, a savior figure who is anticipated to come and redeem the Jewish people. The word itself translates to "anointed one," symbolizing the anointing with holy oil that was traditionally done to consecrate kings and priests. The term Messiah has evolved over time, representing a messianic hope for a time of peace, justice, and the restoration of the Jewish people to their promised land.

TenQ:
But Christians do not associate partners with Allah.

Christians say Allah (God) is the Messiah!
Also
Christians say Allah (God) is the Holy Spirit!
Also
Christians say Allah (God) is the Father!

Christians never say that the Messiah is a partner with Allah (God)

Qur'an 5:72
"They have certainly disbelieved who say, 'Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary' while the Messiah has said, 'O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.' Indeed, he who associates others with Allah - Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers."

According to Allah in the Qur'an, who are the partners of Allah?

Christianity Etc › Re: Is Jesus God:the Quran Evidence by Ohyoudidnt: 6:31pm On Sep 04, 2023

TenQ:
The question was simple

Is Jesus a Co-Creator with Allah?

Why would Allah need a co-creator?

Christianity Etc › Re: Is Jesus God:the Quran Evidence by Ohyoudidnt: 4:06pm On Sep 04, 2023

Undue praise is made that Jesus by the leave moulded the form of a bird and breathed into it bringing it to life. Perharps those who equated him by this action to Allah should have brought fort a story of him creating or man or baby in similar fashion?

Have you considered the one who trained birds and killed them then put parts od their carcas at different mounts? Did he not call them and they came to him alive by leave of Allah?

Throughout history, there have been several Messengers of Allah who possess the miraculous ability to resurrect the dead. One prominent example is the Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him). Jesus performed many miracles during his lifetime, but one of the most extraordinary was his ability to bring the dead back to life. In the Quran, Jesus is depicted as reviving the dead with the permission and will of Allah. His miracles serve as a testament to his status as a divine Messenger and reinforce the power of Allah.

Another Messenger of Allah with the ability to resurrect the dead was the Prophet Elijah (peace be upon him). Known for his righteousness and devotion to Allah, Prophet Elijah was bestowed with the gift of restoring life to the deceased. In one account, he resurrected the son of a widow who had shown kindness to him and provided him with shelter. Through his supplications and the will of Allah, Prophet Elijah was able to bring the boy back to life, showcasing his divine mission and illustrating the limitless power of Allah.

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), the final and most revered Messenger of Allah, also had an encounter with the miraculous resurrection of the dead. During a time of great need, the Prophet Muhammad prayed for a companion who was bitten fatally by a venomous snake. By the will and authority of Allah, the person was revived and gained a second chance at life. This incident serves as yet another example of the prophets as the chosen ones of Allah, empowered with extraordinary abilities to fulfill their duties and guide humanity towards the path of righteousness.

Christianity Etc › Re: Is Jesus God:the Quran Evidence by Ohyoudidnt: 4:01pm On Sep 04, 2023

Quran 22:73, a verse of the holy book of Islam, it is emphasized that the disbelievers who associate partners with Allah are not aware of the power of their actions. This verse must be understood in its contextual significance. It is a reminder for believers that their devotion and faith in Allah should never be weakened or compromised by the influence of those who defy the oneness of God. It urges Muslims to remain steadfast in their belief and continue to spread the message of Monotheism, guiding others towards the truth. Furthermore, this verse serves as a cautionary reminder that those who engage in polytheism are oblivious to the consequences of their actions, as Allah's divine justice will surely prevail. Therefore, it emphasizes the importance of remaining devoted to Allah and seeking knowledge, as comprehension and understanding are crucial aspects of faith.

TenQ:
Why your display of aggression :

Are you saying that Jesus is a Co-Creator with Allah (only that Allah gave Him permission and consent)?

Qur'an 22:73
O people, an example is presented, so listen to it. Indeed, those you invoke besides Allah will never create [as much as] a fly, even if they gathered together for that purpose. And if the fly should steal away from them a [tiny] thing, they could not recover it from him. Weak are the pursuer and pursued.

Christianity Etc › Re: Is Jesus God:the Quran Evidence by Ohyoudidnt: 3:55pm On Sep 04, 2023

Shall we be entertained and thoroughly think?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7kCUMDgz5w?si=TzZJUlacaczlBv5S

Christianity Etc › Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Ohyoudidnt: 12:03pm On Sep 04, 2023

AL-MUTAKABBIR:
Arabic Root:
From the root kaf-ba-ra (ك ب ر), which in Classical Arabic means: to be great in size, rank or dignity to be great in size, to be vast, formidable to be great in age, oldest to be great in dignity, noble, majestic to be great in learning, most known to have rights above all others.
The word Mutakabbir is derived from kabara meaning great, exalted, noble.

If you were the best in a particular field or sport, we're talking complete domination; no one comes close to winning. Wouldn't you feel proud of your ability and achievements?

Avoid Arrogance:
Imagine the one who has presumptions of greatness which are false won't that person be due for a rude awakening? This is the story of Iblis (Lucifer if you like). He was the first to claim arrogance; he was a mutakabiroon. He believed he was great in exclusion of all else, and he was humiliated by Allah.

Al-Mutakabbir is an honor fit only for Allah.
The created one cannot assume this attribute. Allah al-Mutakabbir is the adversary of the proud man. He will humiliate him, making him the lowest of the low.

TenQ:
According to Modern Islamic Dictionary :
The word Arrogant means supremly great!

LOL!

Unfortunately, this is not how language works: only in Islam will a word have an opposite meaning to it's normal usage.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Ohyoudidnt: 11:48pm On Sep 03, 2023

It's their belief and not yours so why are you hyperventilating about it? Obviously you are a pathetically troublesome scoundrel.

I should feel bad for your sicknesses but got better things to do.

On your question emboldened , you seem to be giving the devil an accompanying good run.

I have shown you distressing spirit proceeding from your God which seems to be tormenting you right now.

TenQ:
People can believe Falsehood and lies.

This is why it is important to Question ones belief (like I am questioning Islam) to find out if Islam is consistent on the Altar of Truth.

If it is not, then such a belief is worthless and could lead a person to the Fire of Hell.

I am afraid that your beliefs stem from the Al-Makr himself. This is why nothing is consistent in Islam. Why would the majority of Hadiths be false? Why so much inconsistencies with the Qur'an? Why would Allah suddenly choose to make Christians and Jews your ransom from the fire of hell? Why not atheists and idol worshippers? Does this make sense?

Qur'an 14:4
"Allah sends astray [thereby] whom He wills and guides whom He wills."

Do you think you will know if Allah is leading you astray or not?

You wont know at all! Because Allah is best when it comes to deceiving people

Is it not true that Allah is the best when it comes to deception

Christianity Etc › Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Ohyoudidnt: 11:41pm On Sep 03, 2023

Mutakabir refers to one of the names of Allah, meaning "The Supreme" or "The Great". It embodies the idea of Allah's greatness and superiority above all else.

However, outside of religious contexts, Mutakabir can also be used to describe someone who is arrogant or filled with pride, often displaying a sense of superiority over others. In this sense, it denotes a negative quality, highlighting an individual's excessive pride and haughtiness.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Ohyoudidnt: 11:35pm On Sep 03, 2023

@Tenq is this not my initial response on Al-Murakabbir?
Does it not have emboldened at the bottom what you last commented on?
Of course the over educated but fabulously foolish Taqiyya Tenq doesn't know Polysemy.

TenQ:
You know that you didn't translate the Arabic scripts I posted as I wanted to see how you would interpolate with your redefinition of Mutakabbir with respect to Allah!

Now,
Are you now agreeing that Mutakabbir mean Arrogant !?

And Al-Mutakabbir mean The Arrogant?

Who is Allah Arrogant to?
Can one be Arrogant to ones subordinate?

Ohyoudidnt:
Allah calls Himself Al-Mutakabbir— The Supremely Great, The Perfection of Greatness— on one occasion in the Quran. He is the One who is supremely great. Al-Mutakabbir reveals His Greatness and power at every moment and in every incident!

The Supreme, The Possessor of All Rights, The Perfect Greatness

Mutakabbir comes from the root kaaf-baa-raa, which has three main meanings. The first main meaning is to be great in size, rank, or dignity, and the second to to be great in age and in learning. The third main meaning to have rights, privileges, and attributes that others don’t have.

This root appears 161 times in the Quran in 18 derived forms. Examples of these forms are kabura (“hard”), yastakbiroona (“arrogant”), akbaru (“(is)greater”), and al-kibari (“the old age”).

[b]Linguistically, kibriya means greatness and sovereignty, [/b]and it encompasses the meanings of the perfection of one’s self and existence; nobody can be described as such except Allah. Allahu Akbar– Allah is the Greatest— comes from the same root, as well as the name of Allah, Al-Kabeer. Al-Mutakabbir is the One who possesses all greatness, who is above having any of the qualities of His creatures, who cannot be harmed by the oppressors among His creation, and whose greatness and pride are the utmost.

Al-Mutakabbir Himself says: He is Allah , other than whom there is no deity, the Sovereign, the Pure, the Perfection, the Bestower of Faith, the Overseer, the Exalted in Might, the Compeller, the Superior. Exalted is Allah above whatever they associate with Him. [Quran, 59:23]

Allah ‘azza wa jall describes people as mutakabbireen (arrogant) on multiple occasions in the Quran. They have arrogance in their hearts and actions towards Allah by disbelieving in His signs and they are arrogant to other people by looking down on them due to position, race, wealth, etc.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Ohyoudidnt: 9:32pm On Sep 03, 2023

Ohyoudidnt:
Did you see or you pretend not to have seen?

[quote author=TenQ post=125541539]To test your claim,
1. Here are 10 Arabic sentences (attached) for which you should replace the word Mutakabbir with either supremely great or perfection of greatness or even great or excellent
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See the attached 10 Arabic sentences to which he you should substitute your re-definition of Mutakabbir so that we see if the sentence makes sense
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The Truth is apparent to you here: you are redefining words to suit your purpose different from normal usage

2. Is it true that In everyday non Religious Arabic usage, "Mutakabbir" (متكبر) is an adjective that describes someone who is arrogant, haughty, or filled with pride. It is not a positive term and is often used to criticize someone's behavior when they display excessive pride or a sense of superiority over others.
So, if in a normal, non-religious context, "Mutakabbir" refers to a person who exhibits arrogance or an inflated sense of self-importance it means that you Muslims are redefining words to mean different from what it normally is.

Summary :
I see that you want to invent a new meaning of either supremely great or perfection of greatness or even great or excellent for the normal use of the word "Mutakabbir" (متكبّر) , this is a fallacy and deceptive use of words sir.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Ohyoudidnt: 9:29pm On Sep 03, 2023

Does it matter to you what other people believe?

Does it matter that people believe differently than you?

Do you think that if someone disbelieves that it makes your belief any less true?

If that’s the case, then maybe it’s time to reevaluate what you believe.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Ohyoudidnt: 9:27pm On Sep 03, 2023

I very well am not so interested on how you define or understand God from your Bible. You are so fixated that nothing seemingly negative proceeds from God. You need to understand why these are and attest to the supremacy of Allah the only one worthy of all honour and praise.

The distressing spirit from God serves as a reminder of God's justice and the consequences of disobeying his commands. It highlights the biblical view of sin as a serious offense that requires punishment. It is not meant to be seen as God inflicting harm out of cruelty, but rather as a disciplinary measure aimed at bringing individuals back to the path of righteousness.

It is a call to align our lives with God's will and avoid the afflictions that come with disobedience.

You haven't provided indisputable evidence that Allah commands muslims to bow to a black stone.

SIRTee15:
The spirit of God departed from Saul and God allowed a distressing spirit- possibly mental illness to disturb him.
Just like the story of Job, God allows the spirit of your desires to consume u.

The evil spirit was “from” the Lord in that it was allowed by God to harass Saul.
God didn't create evil for mankind but ultimately all things are under God’s control- both good and evil.
The evil spirit tormenting Saul was part of God’s judgment upon Saul for his disobedience.

I repeat, the God in the bible is not Allah. The ten commandments clearly proved it.

You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God,

The fact that the god of Islam tells u to bow down and worship a black stone practically disqualified Allah as YAHWEH.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Ohyoudidnt: 10:54am On Sep 02, 2023

Ohyoudidnt:
Keep fooling yourself. com

NairaLTQ:
You should ask Mohammed because several billions of Muslims daily bow down facing the black stone in the kaaba. And you all struggle to kiss or touch it that the stones may remember you on the day of judgement!

Exactly the same reason you can't answer elementary questions without running into trouble.

Why is your God the Arrogant?
Why is your God theBeliever?
Why is your God the Distressor?

Arrogant to Who?
Who is he believing in?
Why is his nature to distress?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Ohyoudidnt: 10:53am On Sep 02, 2023

Just watch the clip it shouldn't take more than 20 minutes.

No muslim worships an image.

SIRTee15:
I'm not a fan of season movies, unnecessary plot drag isn't my thing.
If there's anything in the arrival season that pertain to what we discussing here, say it and we will dissect it.

Allah is not YAHWEH
THE 10 COMMANDMENTS IS THE PROOF

You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God,

Christianity Etc › Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Ohyoudidnt: 10:35am On Sep 02, 2023

Keep fooling yourself. com

NairaLTQ:
Is the distressing spirit God?
You can't escape this

Why is your God the Arrogant?
Why is your God theBeliever?
Why is your God the Distressor?

Arrogant to Who?
Who is he believing in?
Why is his nature to distress?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Ohyoudidnt: 10:34am On Sep 02, 2023

@SirTee15 on the side did you watch the Arrivals seaaon? Take a look at Part 36

Christianity Etc › Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Ohyoudidnt: 10:28am On Sep 02, 2023

Yeah right.

Point is this distressing spirit proceeds from the lord or us this God?

This spirit proceeds from God like the holy spirit that's also God?

Where exactly does Allah instruct to bow down and worship a black stone? This must be your fantasy.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Ohyoudidnt: 9:52am On Sep 02, 2023

The Distressing spirit proceeds from the God in the Bible- 1Samuel 16: 14-16

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Ohyoudidnt: 9:43am On Sep 02, 2023

Oh how the castle crumbled.
The Distressing spirit proceeds from the God in the Bible- 1Samuel 16: 14-16
P.S watch the Arrivals part 36

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Ohyoudidnt: 8:29am On Sep 02, 2023

Oh Please! It states distressing spirit from your God i.e the distressing spirit is part of your God or how does it come from your God?

You sure must disappoint yourself with such a no punch.

Enjoy your weekend and your life.

NairaLTQ:
Can you infer from this that God is a DISTRESSOR?

I gave a very simple analogy to express this:

A medical doctor can cause his patient great distress in the cause of his treatment : however, it doesn't make the Doctor a DISTRESSOR!

Any one who says God cannot cause distress for people is a LIAR and doesn't know the power of God.
However, the issue is that God by His nature is NOT a DISTRESSOR

Can God kill?
YES!
Is God a Killer?
NO!

This is the difference you refused to see!

God is NOT a DISTRESSOR!
God is NOT a BELIEVER
God is NOT ARROGANT!

These are not nature's of God!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Ohyoudidnt: 5:24am On Sep 02, 2023

See for yourself, in the example Q6:17 you give there are both بِضُرٍّ and بِخَيۡرٍ

"And if Allah should touch you with adversity, there is no remover of it except Him. And if He touches you with good - then He is over all things competent."

Why do you focus on the former as the name of Allah and ignore the latter? Is it hard for you to comprehend that Allah encompasses everything? You are quick to agree the Devil is bad and evil yet fail to acknowledge the supremacy of Allah that Devil can do norhing outside whay Allah allows.

If you agree that adversity results in distress then explain from your own book how this spirit of distress proceeds from your God?

1 Samuel 16:
14 But the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and a distressing spirit from the Lord troubled him.
15 And Saul’s servants said to him, Surely, a distressing spirit from God is troubling you.
16 Let our master now command your servants, who are before you, to seek out a man who is a skillful player on the harp. And it shall be that he will play it with his hand when the distressing spirit from God is upon you, and you shall be well.”

NairaLTQ:
The name of Allah Al-Adl" (العدل) takes care of justice or punishing wrong doing by Allah. This is different from Ad-Darr the bone of contention.

The term "Ad-Darr" (الضَّرّ) can be translated as "The Afflictor" or "the Harm" or "The Bringer of Adversity."

In ordinary day-to-day Arabic usage, the word "Darr" (ضرّ) refers to harm, damage, or adversity. It is a common term used to describe anything that causes negative effects, discomfort, or trouble. Darr in Arabic usage is ALWAYS used in negative connotation. So, in everyday Arabic conversation, "Darr" is used to refer to harm, damage, or any negative consequences.

Therefore, it is correct that Allah is one who causes Harm to people by his nature.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Ohyoudidnt: 5:01am On Sep 02, 2023

A whole 60% of what you typed was false/wrong and a sorry waste od time?

Anyway in those verse where the derivatives appear, are they in reference to God or the unbelievers?

In your desire to prove a point you loose track of your goal?

NairaLTQ:
Pardon my error please

Quran 39.60
Qur'an 40:27
Quran 40:35
Qur'an 59:23
Corrected!

Christianity Etc › Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Ohyoudidnt: 4:57am On Sep 02, 2023

It now seems obvious you don't understand the God you worship.

1 Samuel 16 reads:
14 But the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and a distressing spirit from the Lord troubled him.
15 And Saul’s servants said to him, “Surely, a distressing spirit from God is troubling you.
16 Let our master now command your servants, who are before you, to seek out a man who is a skillful player on the harp. And it shall be that he will play it with his hand when the distressing spirit from God is upon you, and you shall be well.”

How is this distressing spirit from the lord, from God and from God not God?

SIRTee15:
That's why God in the bible isn't Allah. Pure and simple.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Ohyoudidnt: 12:42am On Sep 02, 2023

I really have come to understand that you are one who likes to waste time. Allah does not like the wasters.

Show me Mutakabir in Quran 2:268 please

ٱلشَّيۡطَٰنُ يَعِدُكُمُ ٱلۡفَقۡرَ وَيَأۡمُرُكُم بِٱلۡفَحۡشَآءِ ۖ وَٱللَّهُ يَعِدُكُم مَّغۡفِرَةً مِّنۡهُ وَفَضۡلًا ۗ وَٱللَّهُ وَٰسِعٌ عَلِيمٞ
"Satan threatens you with poverty and orders you to immorality, while Allah promises you forgiveness from Him and bounty. And Allah is all-Encompassing and Knowing."

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