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TenQ:
Are you distancing yourself from the Claims of Allah and His prophet Muhammad?

Many times you Muslims assume we don't know what your prophet's real teaching is

Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 2135
Mughira ibn Shu’ba reported: When I came to Najran, the Christian monks asked me, “You recite the verse, ‘O sister of Aaron,’ (19:28) but Moses was born long before Jesus by many years. ” When I came back to the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, I asked him about it and he said, “Verily, they used to name people with the names of prophets and righteous people who had passed before them.”

This is applicable only to descendants: thus, Jesus can be called Son of David because, He is a descendant from king David. Jesus cannot be called son of Moses for he is not a descendant of Moses.

If you object, find me a single example in the Bible.


Using your prophet's argument, Is it correct to say that you Ohyoudidnt is a brother to Hamzah or Uthman or Ali or any of the Companions of Mohammed!?
Can you see how lame the explanation for the error of both Allah and Mohammed is?


Tafsīr Ibn Kathīr person Qur'an 19:28
Ibn Kathir said, “This is like saying to somebody from the Tamimi tribe: O brother of Tamim, or to somebody from the Mudari tribe: O brother of Mudar.”


But Mary is NOT from the Tribe of either Moses, Isaiah Aaron or Miriam!

Even then,
Why not sister of Moses!?
Isn't Moses more prominent than Aaron?


Unfortunately, the lies cannot be covered when they are plenty from the mouth of one who cannot keek his mouth shut.


Guess the name of the Father of Moses, Aaron Miriam and Aaron : Imran (Amram)
Exo 6:20:
"And Amram took him Jochebed his father's sister to wife; and she bore him Aaron and Moses : and the years of the life of Amram were an hundred and thirty and seven years."

Guess the name of the Father of Mary : Imran!

What a coincidence!

Qur'an 3:35-36
"When the wife of 'Imran said, 'My Lord, indeed I have pledged to You what is in my womb, consecrated [for Your service], so accept this from me. Indeed, You are the Hearing, the Knowing.' But when she delivered her, she said, 'My Lord, I have delivered a female.' And Allah was most knowing of what she delivered, 'And the male is not like the female. And I have named her Mary , and I seek refuge for her in You and [for] her descendants from Satan, the expelled [from the mercy of Allah].'"

Rather you are shying away from accepting the truth of ancestry of Mary traced back to Amram.

Don't you see that 7 Mary(s) exist in the new testament and likely more not mentioned in the Bible existed in the area.

Mary the mother of Jesus, Mary Magdalene, Mary of Bethany, Mary the mother of James and Joses, Mary of Cleophas, Mary the mother of John Mark, and Mary of Rome.

TenQ:
Only because Allah and your prophet say Mary the mother of Jesus is the sister of Aaron.

Interesting, you are having a conversation with me but overreaching in generalizing.

TenQ:
Which book of the bible states that Anne is the mother of Mary?

You have stated the Bible is not explicit before however you can support your view by informing of Mary the mother of Jesus's ancestry from the Bible.

TenQ:
The problem which you don't understand is that Luke traces the ancestry of Jesus through Mary to Judah : thus, it is inconsequential the argument of Cousin or Relative or Kinswoman. This means that Mary CANNOT be called relative of Aaron as Aaron is from the Tribe of Levi.

Well you should cross check that there are no records of intermarriage between the tribes of Judah and Levi before her.

SIRTee15:
Do u want me to bring the tafsir of that verse?

O Prophet tell the Christians: "If the Compassionate (Allah) had a son, I (Muhammad) would be the first to worship him."

Ok maybe u don't attack the bible but other Muslims do it here.

Anyway this isn't about the verse but to let u know that Allah entertain possibilities. Even if the outcome is an impossibility.

Now that we know ifs question is not an anathema in Islam, answer my original question

If the kabba suddenly appears in Lagos. Will Muslims continue to circumambulate in Mecca around an empty space or they will start doing their annual ritual in Lagos.

It's a simple question, a new Muslim convert answered it, what are u afraid of? 🤷🤷🤷🤷

No I won't but won't speak for others. There are many deceptions that are abound today and are likely to increase

It surprises me that you categorically allege me insinuating that cousins must come from the same tribe.


https://doortoeden.com/saint-anne-was-saint-anne-the-mother-of-mary/

In the Bible, Saint Anne was mentioned in the Books of the New Testament as the mother of the Virgin Mary, the mother of Christ. Anna was of the tribe of Levi and was the daughter of Mary and Nathan, a priest of the line of Aaron. They lived in the time of Queen Cleopatra of Egypt, and Anna had two sisters who lived in Bethlehem: Mary and Soviet.

https://jimmyakin.com/2004/03/cousin_kinswoma.html

The Greek word sungenēs (pronounced sun-gen-ace) is too general to be translated "cousin." "Relative," "kinsman," or (in the feminine) "kinswoman" would be acceptable translations. "Cousin" is simply wrong, and so clearly wrong that in Luke 1:36 in the current version of the NAB, they’ve stopped rendering it that way and translated it as "relative" instead.

https://sage-answer.com/where-is-joachim-mentioned-in-the-bible/

TenQ:
Their common ancestry is Israel or Jacob. From Jacob they split into twelve tribes.

You have just agreed now that Mary and Elizabeth as cousins could come from different tribes. Is this true?

Elizabeth is from the Tribe of Levi!

Again :
Can I know your source of History showing that Mary is from the Tribe of Levi?
I am particularly interested in its age.


Mary can only be a distant relation of Aaron if she's from the Tribe of Levi.

Funny that I don't go looking for mistakes in the Bible or with Christianity rather the Tenq you mentioned earlier has so many threads on his perceived errors in Islam which you subscribe to.

You quoted a verse from the Quran but didn't pick the sarcasm there as it starts with an if then folows with the verses:
Q43:82. Glorified be the Lord of the heavens and the earth, the Lord of the Throne, beyond what they describe.

83. So leave them to blunder and play, until they encounter their Day which they are promised.

SIRTee15:
Ohyoudidnt u need to read your Koran a bit more.
U guys waste so much time on the bible looking for mistakes u don't know enough about your Koran.

If Allah has a son, should the son be worshipped?
According to the Koran, the answer is YES.


Say: "If (Allah) Most Gracious had a son, I would be the first to worship."

Qur'an 43.81

1. My argument is that cousins can be of different tribes. Isn't this obvious in the analogy of Ghanian and Nigerian cousins or Nigerian and other foreign country cousins?


2. I didn't categorically say Mary was Levi or Judah but pointed at their common ancestry.

Numerous search results. Will share these later please

TenQ:
This is why answering these questions would have helped you clarify the issue at hand.

If Mary and Elizabeth are cousins, I does it mean they are fro. I the same tribe?

Again :
Luke traces the genealogy of Jesus through Mary to Judah sir.

1. Is your argument that cousins must have the same tribe?

2. What is the source of your history of Mary coming from the Tribe of Levi?
The date of your source would sure be a big help and clarification!

I am not saying Allah doesn't entertain possibilities. There are Quran verses that ask what if questions.

If God truly had a son which goes against all what Allah says of himself why should he be worshipped when Allah is the one to be worshipped? Simply no he shouldn't be worshipped after all his father is everlasting and all able or isn't he?

SIRTee15:
So are u claiming Allah doesn't entertain possibilities in his messages and guidance to mankind? Is that your claim?

Ok let me ask u another question, answer this then we go back to the kabba question.

If God truly has a Son, should that Son be worshipped?


Answer this simple question first b4 going back to the one u must answer by fire by force today.

Is it impossible to come from different tribes? Say for instance you have a brother that marries a Ghanian woman by their rules the offspring is of Ghanian tribe isn't it?

Your own child is of your own tribe which I believe is one of those in Nigeria. Does the cousin of the Ghanian tribe loose the cousin relation?



Or in simpler terms your sister marries a foreigner and her children though mixed race are of a foreign tribe. Does this remove the cousin relations between your children and hers?

TenQ:
Is your argument that Mary is both from the Tribe of Levi and Judah?

Zachariah was of the Tribe of Levi,
Elizabeth was Zachariah's wife and Elizabeth was a cousin of Mary. (Lk1:36)
Elizabeth was of the Tribe of Levi (Lk 1:5)

1. Luke traces the genealogy of Jesus through Mary to Judah sir.

2. Is your argument that cousins must have the same tribe?

3. What is the source of your history of Mary coming from the Tribe of Levi?
The date of your source would sure be a big help and clarification!

Interesting. Is Tenq the police or judge? Are you sure I am a born Muslim? Your question is a whatabout question or isn't it?

If the kabba suddenly appears in Lagos. Will Muslims continue to circumambulate in Mecca on an empty space or they will start doing their annual ritual in Lagos.

Why will Allah bring about such confusion? Certainly a verse in the Quran points at a time when muslims faced a different direction then they were directed to the Kaaba in Mecca.

The guidance of man has been completed and will not change so the Kaaba cannot suddenly appear in Lagos. Are you seeking a rewriting of history or new creation?

SIRTee15:
I will report u to TenQ.
TenQ, Ohyoudidnt has refused to answer my question
He's just doing whataboutism up and down.

It's a simple question, yet a born Muslim refused to answer. Something a Muslim convert answered easily.

My question remain the same?

If the kabba suddenly appears in Lagos. Will Muslims continue to circumambulate in Mecca on an empty space or they will start doing their annual ritual in Lagos.

This is my question and he's telling me about Abraham establishing kabba. What's my business with that story.

He has refused to allow me expose the theology heresy in Islam.

Ohyoudidnt if u don't know the answer, ask your scholars.

Your answer doesn't remove a common ancestry of Judah and Levi from whom Mary comes or does it?

Do you aim to destroy ancestral links to Abraham or Adam?

Even with the eventual prohibitions do you say the israelite tribes didn't have intermarriages.

Zakari was of which tribe? Elizabeth his wife was of which tribe? Your Bible is not explicit about how Elizabeth and Mary are related or is it? Perharps if you can trace their relations it will be clearer to you.

TenQ:
How can the Tribe of Levi and Judah be related as a justification of swapping the Tribe that Mary belong to?

Isreal had 12 Tribes two out of them is Judah (the Tribe of David and Solomon) and Levi (the Tribes of the priests of Israel)

Where did you get your information : every isrealite can belong only to one tribe.

What if I told you that Mohammed is not from Quaresh Tribe BUT from Banu Aws and Banu Khazraj !
My explanation is that:
Quraysh and Banu Aws/Khazraj share a common ancestry in the twelve sons of Ishmael!

Can you see how wonderful my explanation is!?

Communicating with the dead? I hope you are not getting carried away. Prayers are to Allah and on occasion you pray for those who have died. The almighty to whom the prayer is made does with the prayer as he likes.

The prayer for the dead is for them to be admitted into paradise.

SIRTee15:
Enough of all these tautology. The koko is communicating indirectly or directly with someone who's dead.
Why should u pray on behalf of someone who's dead. Why should u stand in gap in prayer for a dead person.
How can that prayer help him.

I pray to God to better my life, to improve my life and be rewarded for faithfulness.
How can a dead person benefit from all these things.

Well seems the afterlife in Islam is different from Christianity.
In christianity, after death comes judgement. Nothing more. Prayer to or for is useless.

Anyway, let's skip this. It's inconsequential if the Koran actually says u guys should pray to or for the dead.

Answer my other questions.

Replied to the text and somehow missed the weblink. I have watched it now and it is quite humorous. The person in the video too is oblivious of Abraham pbuh praying for the Mecca area.

Q14:35. And (remember) when Abraham said: ‘My Lord, make this city secure and distance me and my children from worshipping the idols
37:37. Our Lord, I have settled some of my offspring in a valley of no vegetation, by Your Sacred House, our Lord, so that they may perform the prayers. So make the hearts of some people incline towards them, and provide them with fruits, that they may be thankful.

Quran 2:126
And ˹remember˺ when Abraham said, “My Lord, make this city ˹of Mecca˺ secure and provide fruits to its people—those among them who believe in Allah and the Last Day.” He answered, “As for those who disbelieve, I will let them enjoy themselves for a little while, then I will condemn them to the torment of the Fire. What an evil destination!

With numerous verses of Quran forbidding and abhorring worshiping others beside Allah and idolatry why would muslims then engage in pagan acts?

SIRTee15:
Mr Man we all know your kabba cannot be moved.
The question is to expose the theology heresy is gathering around a black stone to worship Allah.

I repeat my question.
If the kabba suddenly appears in Lagos. Will Muslims circumambulate in Mecca or will come to Lagos to do their annual ritual.

Answer the question. It's not a hard question. If you confident of your taowheed u should answer it easily.

Did u watch the YouTube link I sent u, the Muslim guy answered it, why is it so difficult for u?

The entire life from birth to death constitutes worship of Allah hence Islam is referred to as a complete way of life. Treating people and your family kindly is an act of worship or do you limit worshipping your God to only when you pray or fast?

Your Bible explicitly says you should honour your father and your mother. Does this mean you worship your parents😄

Muslims are permitted imtimacy with their wives on breaking their fast but not during the fast. Well maybe you refer to the marathon fast some Christians do which include day and night. 😁. Islam encourages fast breaking at every sunset.

SIRTee15:
Do I kiss my wife during worship of God.
Imagine raising my hands to God in prayer and then start kissing my wife. How absurd will that be!!!!
Or prostrating to my parents and then start saying Lord I worship u!!! Does that make sense to u.
FYI, during fasting Christians are expected to abstain from sex with their spouse. It's a time for God and any other pleasure should be suspended.

U have not answered my question.

Why should u venerate/honour/kiss or whatever u do to the the black stone at a time Muslims gather to worship their deity in unity. Why must u choose that time to kiss a stone.
Why should u share such holy and sacred moments with kissing a stone.
That's my question.

Why can't a separate time be allocated for people to come to kiss the stone at their leisure if they so wish.
Why must it be the period meant to worship Allah.

That's my question, if u do t know ask your scholars.

Praying to and praying for; when you pray to God seeking good health and protection are you praying to or for good health and protection?

God is who you pray to and what you pray for are what you want God to do or enable for you.

Sadly you use a small letter g in as much as your Arabic speaking Christians call the Almighty Allah.

SIRTee15:
No Muslim pray to the dead. Qur'an 16
Muslims pray for the dead. Qur'an 59
🤔🤔🤔🤔

Which one should we believe now. Is this not a contradiction.
Is that 59.10 not saying Allah should forgive those who are dead? Is that not praying for the dead?

Well, it's not my business. If Allah said it's fine to pray to the dead, by all means go ahead and do it.
It's your god , not mine.

In christianity we don't pray to the dead neither do we pray for the dead.
Thank u for adding more evidence Allah isn't the God of the bible.

TenQ:
No sir!
Mary is from the Tribe of Judah
Aaron, Moses and Miriam are from the Tribe of Levi

The tribes of Judah and Levi are closely related in biblical history, both sharing a common ancestry in the twelve sons of Jacob. Judah, the fourth son of Jacob and Leah, became the prominent tribe in the southern kingdom of Judah, while Levi, the third son of Jacob and Leah, was chosen by God to serve as priests and caretakers of the tabernacle. Their relationship is based on their shared bloodline and their significant roles in the spiritual and social life of ancient Israel.

Do you state that Levi and Judah are not siblings Sir?

Mary, the mother of Jesus pbot ancestry can be traced back through Joachim and Anne, leading all the way to Aaron, a prominent figure in biblical history. This lineage not only establishes Mary's legitimacy and connection to the ancient Jewish heritage but also emphasizes the divine plan at work in her life.

motayoayinde:
ALLAH IS OMNIPOTENT HE NEVER MAKES MISTAKES.

THE MISTAKE IS IN YOUR ISLAMOPHOBIC EYES, NO ONE EVER SAID MARYAM WAS MIRIAM IN THE QURAN.

GO GET BUSY WITH THE THOUSANDS OF ERRORS IN YOUR "BIBLES" FIRST

Allah is above the heavens and the worlds. It is not exactly correct stating Allah is in heaven though there is the closest heaven to him.

The verses you have stated are not explicit or sufficiently detailed however, these accounts do not mention them ascending to Sheol.

In Hebrew, the word used to describe the realm of the dead is sheol. It simply means “the place of the dead” or “the place of departed souls/spirits.” The New Testament Greek equivalent to sheol is hades, which is also a general reference to “the place of the dead.

The story in Luke 16:19-31 may be futuristic or analogy saying earthly wealth is not useful in the hereafter.

Thank you for your explanation.

TenQ:
Short Answer,
There is no contradiction!



Long Answer!


1. The word "Heaven" have different meaning depending on the context in the Bible . It can mean the sky (Mat 14:19), firmament, Sheol (the place of the dead souls Job 21:13), Abraham's bosom (the place where Abraham or the Righteous are kept awaiting resurrection Lk 16:22) or the Abode of God (God's throne) Mat 5:34 .

2. Enoch was not (disappeared) because God took him (away from the earth).
Where did God take him to?
Was it Sheol?
The scripture was not explicit.
Gen 5:24:
"And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him."
Heb 11:5:
"By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God."

3. Elijah went up with the whirlwind. The whirlwind of course would extend to the sky (until he was seen no more)
God took him (away from the earth).
Where did God take him to?
Was it Sheol?
The scripture was not explicit.
2Kin 2:11:
"And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven."

4. Ascention of Christ.
John 3:12-13:
"If I have told you earthly things, and you believe not, how shall you believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? And no man has ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."

So, I leave you to judge (in context) : which heaven is Jesus speaking about here?

John 14:2-3:
"In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you to myself; that where I am, there you may be also."

John 14:27-28:
"Peace I leave with you, my peace I give to you: not as the world gives, give I to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. You have heard how I said to you, I go away, and come again to you. If you loved me, you would rejoice, because I said, I go to the Father : for my Father is greater than I."

John 16:16:
"A little while, and you shall not see me: and again, a little while, and you shall see me, because I go to the Father."


In context, the heaven Jesus refer to is the Abode of God (God's throne) .

No muslim prays to the dead. Q16 vs 18-21
“And if you would count God's favours, you will not be able to number them; most surely God is Forgiving, Merciful. And God knows what you conceal and what you do openly. And those whom they call on besides God have not created anything while they are themselves created; Dead (are they), not living, and they know not when they shall be raised.”



Prayers are said for the dead. Quran 59:10. Those who came after them prayed: “Our Lord, forgive us, and our fellow believers who preceded us in faith; and leave no bitterness in our hearts towards believers. Our Lord, You are Compassionate and Merciful.

SIRTee15:
But why should u pray to the dead. How does that help dead in anyway?

Well if it's a doctrine enshrined in Islam to pray for the dead, I guess there's nothing more to say about that.
In christianity, we dont pray for the dead.

Kissing the black stone is not veneration of the black stone but an act done by some in following the example of Muhammad s.a.w. A hadith even if though there may be reservations about many reports Umar r.a saying he kissed the stone because he saw the prophet pbuh do it. It is in no way an act to confer or share the majesty of Allah with it.

Does showing care to your wife or children considered an act of worship too translate to equating or sharing the majesty of God?
Or geneculating to others in respect?

Your emphasis on kissing the black stone bemuses me. Of the multitude that perform hajj, how many actually get close enough to the stone to kiss it besides it is not an essential part of hajj.

SIRTee15:
You fail to understand the theological error with kissing the black stone during the worship of Allah.

Why should Muslims venerate another object at a time they are gathering to honour their supreme deity.

U are sharing that moment meant to worship Allah with another object!!!

U guys visit muhammed's tomb and mosques, but u don't do it during worship of Allah. U do that during your personal time.
But u kiss the black stone during the period u worship Allah. That's the idolatry.

The location of the Kaaba has always been fixed where it is. Reports talk as far as Adam originality praying there before Abraham and Ismail pbot built it. It is not what man can relocate at will.

Quran 3:95. Say, “God has spoken the truth, so follow the religion of Abraham the Monotheist; he was not a Pagan.”
96. The first house established for mankind is the one at Bekka; blessed, and guidance for all people.
97. In it are evident signs; the Station of Abraham. Whoever enters it attains security. Pilgrimage to the House is a duty to God for all who can make the journey. But as for those who refuse—God is Independent of the worlds.

SIRTee15:
Now let me ask u this question
If the kabba translocate to Lagos. Will Muslims continue to circumambulate in Mecca or they will come down to Lagos for the ritual.

You are not mandated to kiss the black stone. In hajj particularly this is often difficult with the multitude of people there. The stone is on a part of the kaabah and circumambulate round this is an act of unity seen in moving together in one direction in a circular fashion to symbolize their belief in and worship of the one true God, Allah.

Circling the Kaaba seven times is a symbolic act meant to reflect the idea that life should revolve around thoughtful contemplation of God (Allah). This act is only done at the kaaba and is one of the 5 acts of pilgrimage.

Allah alone is worthy of worship and is the only one every true believer worships.

SIRTee15:
Then explain why u people kiss the black stone and circle round it 7 times.
It depicts a form of veneration that goes with worship.

Even modern Muslims converts are not buying it the weak explanation.
U Muslims worship the black stone.

https://youtube.com/shorts/oHpt2-oaKZU?si=SSFNZZUK7F64i8Ks

The name of Muhammad pbuh is not invoked rather prayers are made to Allah to bless him and this is not just in the mosque. Prayers are said most for him yet similar are requested for other prophets from Adam to Jesus pbot.

SIRTee15:
Now if only Allah should be invoked in the mosques why then do u people invoke the name of Muhammed in your mosque by saying
'Peace be upon you oh Prophet'
Is that not contradictory to what your Koran teaches.

Indeed Mary is of the family of Imran or Amram. How is Mary a cousin to Elizabeth the mother of John the Baptist?

And, behold, thy cousin Elizabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren”.

Luke 1:36

Muslims bow down and prostrate in their prayers to almighty Allah and not to the Ka’bah or to the Black Stone. Worship cannot be devoted to anyone else except to Allah Almighty.

Allah Says that the mosques or places of worship are for Allah, so do not invoke with Allah anyone. [Quran 72:18]

The meaning includes two matters:

- The first is that the mosques are the Houses of Allah Almighty, so do not worship anyone else besides Him.

- The second is that the members of the body upon which one prostrates, such as the feet, the knees, the hands, and the forehead, are also the property of Allah Almighty, so do not prostrate with them to anyone other than Allah.

SIRTee15:
I definitely don't have a problem with Muslims bowing down in front of a stone or kissing a stone during worship.
It only proves that the God of the bible is not Allah.

Yahweh clearly forbid bowing down to a stone under any guise whatsoever. He doesn't share his glory to no one not to talk of a stone.

Could you explain and clarify that there is no contradiction?
John 3:13 reads No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man.

Yet Hebrews 11:5 reads By faith Enoch was taken up so that he should not see death, and he was not found, because God had taken him. Now before he was taken he was commended as having pleased God. and 2 Kings 2:11 And as they still went on and talked, behold, chariots of fire and horses of fire separated the two of them. And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

TenQ:
The Cost Price for Your Salvation has been Paid in Full

One of the most profound statements made by any one on this earth is the claim
John 14:6:
"Jesus said to him, I am the way , the truth , and the life : no man comes to the Father, but by me."

Compare with
Qur'an 46:9
Say: I am no new thing among the messengers (of Allah), nor know I what will be done with me or with you. I do but follow that which is inspired in me, and I am but a plain warner.

Note that Jesus did not say:
I know the Way!
or
I will show you the Truth!
or
I will guide you to have Life!


There exist not one single prophet of God who spoke with audacity the claim of Jesus.
Jesus said :
John 3:36:
"He that believes on the Son has everlasting life: and he that believes not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God stays on him."

John 3:16-17:
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."

What does it mean to believe in the Son?
It simply means to Trust Him (Jesus the Messiah) for your Salvation as it is impossible for anyone to earn his salvation by his deeds alone. Those who Trust Him Obey His commandments because He is their Lord.

John 3:5-6:
"Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."

Rev 20:15:
"And whoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."

Do not be Decieved!
Don't waste your Life!
Ask, Seek and Knock for your salvation and you will be saved

Luk 11:9-10:
"And I say to you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and you shall find; knock, and it shall be opened to you. For every one that asks receives; and he that seeks finds; and to him that knocks it shall be opened."

Questions:
1. Why do you reject the Messiah's offer for your salvation?
2. Do you think it is possible for any human being to earn his salvation with good deeds?
3. You are free to ask me any Questions

From the Bottom of my Heart, I invite you to Know and Trust the Messiah for your salvation.


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Did other prophet's not come to fulfil God's will?
Moses rescued and led Israelites out of Egypt

Abraham renewed a belief in God when idolatry was prominent

Noah built a ship and saved select people and animals.

The eternal life emphasis is not in agreement as Zechariah 14:9 says the Lord will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one Lord, and his name the only name.

When examining the life and teachings of Jesus pbuh, it is clear that he did not fulfill this prophecy. Although Jesus proclaimed the coming Kingdom of God and taught about his heavenly Father, he did not establish a literal reign over the entire earth during his time on earth. While Jesus brought salvation and displayed God's love, he ultimately focused on the spiritual rather than the political aspect of kingship, suggesting that the complete fulfillment of Zechariah 14:9 is yet to come.

Does this imply he is not the one the scripture had prophesied?

Is it God who has no partner that will gives and takes life as well as reaurrects the dead or Jesus.

In your Bible Jesus is reported to have said in Luke 17:16 If you had faith like a grain of mustard seed, you could say to this mulberry tree, ‘Be uprooted and planted in the sea,’ and it would obey you.

How come he couldn't command fruits on the fruitless tree and rather cursed it?

SIRTee15:
So what is the will of the Father that Jesus has come to fulfill.

John 6
38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”

Now the question do u believe in the will of the Father Jesus has come to fulfill.

Does this then not contradict his saying the most important one?

SIRTee15:
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

Pretty strange how the statements credited to Jesus don't seem to exactly agree.
Does John 5:30 not say: I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

Yet in Acts 2:38 'Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.'

Which then is it? Baptize in the name of Jesus or the father, the son and holy spirit?
Well we shouldn't even have this discussion as Allah begets not and is not begotten. We are definitely not referring to the same thing as nothing and no one partakes nor shares in the divinity of Allah.

SIRTee15:
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

You do not see that Righteousness is not turning to face because of your obsession with bowing. Allah is sufficient for muslims.

There are three parts of writing in your Bible as you have previously stated. The Quran is all revelation but you wouldn't understand. Muslims bow in reverence to Allah alone and there are some muslims that don't geniculate in greeting as this is viewed to be reserved for Allah alone.

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So it was Allah that told u to bow before a stone. Did he also tell Muslims to kiss the stone?

Mark 12: 29 The most important one answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.

This is in answer to the statement Mark 12:28
One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?”

Where did Jesus specifically say the one lord comprises of 3 equal parts or 3 parts?

And so We have made you ˹believers˺ an upright community so that you may be witnesses over humanity and that the Messenger may be a witness over you. We assigned your former direction of prayer only to distinguish those who would remain faithful to the Messenger from those who would lose faith. It was certainly a difficult test except for those ˹rightly˺ guided by Allah. And Allah would never discount your ˹previous acts of˺ faith. Surely Allah is Ever Gracious and Most Merciful to humanity.(Q2:143)

We see the turning of thy face (for guidance) to the heavens; now shall We turn thee to a Qiblah that shall please thee. Turn then thy face in the direction of the Sacred Mosque; wherever ye are turn your faces in that direction. The people of the book know well that that is the truth from their Lord nor is Allah unmindful of what they do. (Q2:144)

All muslims facing the Ka'bah is a symbol of unity, and the Ka'bah and what is around it is blessed

Righteousness is not that you turn your faces toward the east or the west, but [true] righteousness is [in] one who believes in Allah , the Last Day, the angels, the Book, and the prophets and gives wealth, in spite of love for it, to relatives, orphans, the needy, the traveler, those who ask [for help], and for freeing slaves; [and who] establishes prayer and gives zakah; [those who] fulfill their promise when they promise; and [those who] are patient in poverty and hardship and during battle. Those are the ones who have been true, and it is those who are the righteous.(Q2:177)

It is a commonly held belief among Christians that their faith protects them from trials and tribulations in life. However, this notion can be viewed as a delusion rather than a reality.

The Bible is filled with instances where the followers of Jesus faced immense hardships and challenges. The notion that being a Christian exempts one from trials is a fallacy and fails to acknowledge the difficult realities of life.

Throughout the Scriptures, it is evident that many godly men and women endured trials and tribulations despite their faith. The apostle Paul, a prominent figure in Christianity, experienced various hardships such as imprisonment, beatings, and shipwrecks. Similarly, Jesus Himself warned His disciples that they would encounter difficulties and persecution for their beliefs. This emphasis on the inevitability of trials suggests that it is a delusion for Christians to believe they will be exempt from such challenges.

Moreover, trials and tribulations can serve a deeper purpose in the life of a Christian. These difficulties can fortify one's faith and character, teaching valuable lessons and fostering spiritual growth. In fact, the Bible often portrays trials as opportunities for believers to grow stronger in their devotion to God and to develop perseverance. One can argue that the delusion of an exemption from trials hinders the spiritual growth that comes from navigating through difficult circumstances.

James 1:2-12
2 Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters,[a] whenever you face trials of many kinds,
3 because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance.
4 Let perseverance finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything.
5 If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you.
6 But when you ask, you must believe and not doubt, because the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind.
7 That person should not expect to receive anything from the Lord.
8 Such a person is double-minded and unstable in all they do.
9 Believers in humble circumstances ought to take pride in their high position.
10 But the rich should take pride in their humiliation—since they will pass away like a wild flower.
11 For the sun rises with scorching heat and withers the plant; its blossom falls and its beauty is destroyed. In the same way, the rich will fade away even while they go about their business.

12 Blessed is the one who perseveres under trial because, having stood the test, that person will receive the crown of life that the Lord has promised to those who love him