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Beverlyjean:
No player wud hv scored 30...he is the first juve player in history to have hit 30 in a season

I agree but my point is, they still would have won the league somehow like they always do.

HBB1:
Abi o!

What kind of rubbish talk is this?

You don't have to be rude and hostile.....what should do is check. Xavi & Iniesta became regular under Guardiola after they sold Dinho & Deco.

Beverlyjean:
So in ur mind, u think juve wud have still won the league without Ronaldo ?? Do u know the meaning of scoring 31 league goals( a record) and at the same time won it by a point ...remove his goals and juve wud hv surrendered the title

Remove his goals?? If he wasn't there someone would have done the job. So nothing special or new.

Beverlyjean:
No one cares if he got injured...besides, he wasn't even a top player at that time ...so he was inconsequential...it was Ronaldo, deco , eto , xavi and iniesta that were running things....messi was just a player that had prospects... its just like the barca team of today , now that Ansu is injured, imagine if he is out of the season and barca wins the CL , years later u will compare him with a pivotal player that won the CL

I can't bet my balls that, you didn't watch that competition..... Xavi & Iniesta were bench warmers then.

Beverlyjean:
U justvwasted urctime posting total crap... Portugal had only qualified for the world cup 3 times in their history b4 Ronaldo... eusebios Portugal was just one of those dark horse underdog teams that surpassed expectation in 66 ... just like Greece in 04... 2 yrs b4 thst euros that took Portugal to the final , they were knocked out of the world cup in the group stage... ronaldo joined a year later in 03.... u guys will always blame the coach when Messi messes up but when barca wins u guys will start screaming goat... the difference between a ronaldo and messi is that ronaldo will still perform, regardless of the coaches wrong tactics ... now talking about napoli or roma, do they look like teams that can caught out a hundred million euros?? Zlatan went to Milan on a free... ronaldobstill tips the chart in Italy, besides Milan and inter have the best game play presently in Italy but the ronaldo factor that juve enjoys will give juve the title this season ... if u say ronaldo dint make juve stronger then its certain u are a hater... someone that scored 31 league goals last season( a record) and juve won the league by just one point.... do u know how many winning goals he scored?? Remove his goals and juve wudnt have smelt champions league talkless of winning the title...

Before his arrival, Juventus had won 7 consecutive league titles......Was Ronaldo the one scoring the match winning goals prior to his arrival? No! The only time is goals would make any difference is, if he can lead them to UCL.

Beverlyjean:
He only scored 25 goals last season all competitions compared to Ronaldo's 38 last season

Liar...... 25 goals in La Liga only. 32goals in all competition. He scored 55 goals the previous season....why use just last season that Ronaldo scored more?

paulolee:
thats normal, all spots professionals, analyst and pundits dt have watched both play over the years knows that they is no other type of player like the talented and magical lionel messi..
no disrespect to cr7 bt for me he is just about goals but messi gives u dt same insane numbers, can dribble, a perfect playmaker n the list is endless..
Leo is the only player dt can easily finish a season with more goals, more assist, more freekicks scored n most man of the match performances won and all players n coaches do agree dt having leo on ur team makes it easier for u..
m seriously tired of preaching dis gospel of lionel messi all d time, d painful fact is dt cr7 fan boys know all this but sentiments, hate n bias wont make them attest to this..

Perfect description of Leo. There's absolutely nothing to add but just hold on a little for his fanboys.

tingFanG:
Nawa for Ronaldo fans ooo
U dey see messi two times but u still dey claim say na one. Sentiment don kill u uno even sabi count again... Lol

I told him Messi won it thrice in the last 9years that was why he omitted 2012.....i ask about their overall performance, he's been mute since then...... Everytime e go come with CL as if Ronaldo no dey play league.

Beverlyjean:
But u said he has won it 3 times outrightly and my inclusion of this season is cos it's the 9th season thats halfway through and he wudnt win it

I said he won it thrice.... Stop contradicting yourself, you said he won it just once in 9years.

Why the emphasis on UCL?? Didn't Ronaldo play league matches? If you want to make comparison, kindly do a general comparison (league and UCL) so we can see their overall performance.

Beverlyjean:
2013 Ronaldo
2014 Ronaldo
2015 Ronaldo messi neymar
2016 Ronaldo
2017 Ronaldo
2018 Ronaldo
2019 messi
2020 Lewandowski
2021 we know he will not win it

Now u do the maths

last 9years starts from 2012. You deliberately omitted 2012 from the list. See your life.

Beverlyjean:
U are even shooting urself in the foot... I said once in 9yrs , which u just proved... now that takes us bk to this topic...his best years was due to the xavi iniesta busquet combo... Ibrahimovic was never a flop at barca, he was even amongst the top scorers in la liga , he had more goals than messi leading to halfway of the season b4 messi requested for a more central role and that was y Ibrahimovic was kicked to the bench and handed a transfer request...thats the mai reason he has issues with guadiola...messi saw that ibra was taking his shine ...suarez was consistent, they also tried to overshadow him at a point in barca...the same suarez that looked finished at barca is now top scorer in la liga in his first season at Atletico...

once in 9years?? It seems you have forgotten how to count cos from my calculation, he won it thrice......stop try to paint him black jare he never requested to play in the middle it was Guardiola that moved him there as a false 9. Messi has never denied anyone scoring opportunity and as a matter of fact, Messi is the most unselfish player you can play with. Like it or not, Zlatan was average at Barcelona. Did Suarez & Neymar ever complained about playing with him? No and that's because he's more interested in team success than personal glory. I can't remember how many times he has left penalty kick for Suarez & Neymar or even the time he had to pass a Penalty to Suarez to score. You can paint a negative picture of him to your kids cos they didn't watch him play. Tried to overshadow Suarez? It's either you don't know about these guys or chose to stay blind to the truth. I no b be Ronaldo fan but honestly I dont hate him and I appreciate his good work but you are filled with bitterness towards Messi. To you, He's never done anything good so there's no point wasting my precious time trying to make you see things differently. Kindly stay glue to your hatred. I give up.

Beverlyjean:
Any good striker will win Europe golden boot in barca of yesteryear... Lewandowski, suarez ,Ronaldo, salah , immobile will win it just as messi as long as they had been there for almost 2 decades... the guy is used to the league...even suarez blasted 40 league goals in barca and also win European golden boot ... any very powerful striker will hit 40 in Spain...thats the only league that has ever registered 40 goals and it was done by 3 different players, imagine salah , Lewandowski, immobile, zlatan in their peak playing for barca or Madrid...they will also b winning that European golden boot...if he was that terrific as a striker, y is it always difficult to replicate those goals in the CL?? Y is it difficult to also win top scorer in CL in recent years just like his European boots ... messi has only won top scorer outrightly in the CL once in 9 attempts...to score in the CL is most difficult than leagues

Leave sentiment and be logical with your points....Do you even understand the things you write sometimes? how can he win UCL top scorer 6 good times and you dare say he doesn't replicate his la liga goals in UCL?

Suarez blasted 40goals but how consistent was he?

Zlatan flopped in that same Barcelona.

Ronaldo? A one time pinchichi winner in 9years?

Lewandoski? Bayern is as good as Barcelona.

Salah?? I laugh in Spanish.

See just rest with your argument cos it's always filled with sentiment.

ShackWes:
u dey mind all those sentimental fools

they are just deluded with their love for the fraud goat

They forgot he was in his 30's when he won European Golden boot, Uefa Top Scorer, Uefa Best & Balon dor in 2019 and he was still the top scorer in the league last season. Just because he didn't hit the ground running this season, they have drawn a conclusion......The transfer battle with Bartomeu affected his game.

Beverlyjean:
So what of ronaldo that won the CL , was top scorer in the CL , broke the record by scoring in 11 consecutive games, scored the best goal that season against juve, scored a hat-trick against Spain to salvage a 3.3 draw ...was uefas best player ..scored 44 goals in 44 games that same season dint deserve it...but messi did ...we know these stuffs are rigged cos these awards are decided behind closed doors ...if modric deserved it, van dyke deserved it ... if Messi deserved it, Ronaldo also deserved it ...today they give these awards based on one thing, tomorrow they change it again to favor who they want

You know why you not making a point here? Cos there was never a time i said Ronaldo does not deserve the award. You dragged him into an argument that doesn't concern him just to prove a lame point that he is superior.

Beverlyjean:
He has given them 2 league titles and dont mention they had been winning it b4 he joined cos they have been struggling for the past 2 seasons...winning by just a point last season, remove Ronaldo's goals and they wud hv surrendered their title ... we all know messis last balon dor was fake cos he dint deserve it, that title was for van dyke winning CL and leading the Dutch national team to the nations league final against Portugal... he even knocked messi and barca out in the CL but messi that couldn't score a goal in the copa with only 1 penalty to show for his appearance in the copa America with a red card was given the award, same red card that denied zidane the award in 06... van dyke achieved about the same thing modric achieved that gave modric the balon dor ...but as usual , awards are crap cos it will always b sentimental...messi only had league title to show ... messi dominated because of those trio...ronaldo still got nominated even at juve and was behind Lewandowski who won it

You still haven't answered my question. How did he manage to win these awards with a mediocre performance like you rightly said??
See, allowing sentiment to cloud your sense of judgement is not healthy. You are so full of sentiment that's why I won't even try to persuade you cos we've schooled you severally but you still chose never to see anything good in Messi.

Too many excuses for Juventus & Ronaldo but none for Barca & Messi has proven how sentimental you are.

In case you have forgotten how he won 2019 Balon dor, see below

UEFA Best Player Award

UEFA Top Scorer

La Liga Title & European Top Scorer Award

And you still think he doesn't deserve the award??

Beverlyjean:
Messi won nothing outside barca during that same period...but those trio won the world cup and 2 European Cups ... y is it that u messu fans are not just logical...is it too hard for u guys to understand?? Barca won 2 CL titles during that same period....but since they left barca hasn't appeared in a CL final ... if u talk about age ,Ronaldo won back to back to back CL at age 31-33, and was top scorer all thru with nothing less than 15 goals on each occasion...

Mr/Mrs I know it all....... How did Messi manage to win these awards in the absence of these guys? What has Ronaldo given juve? Has he performed better without Modric & Kroos? You no go understand argument, you go just jump in simply because you hate Messi.

chris259:
u and i know dat messi is nothing without xavi and iniesta and these two are the reason for messi balon'dors at least 4 of them, least i forget robbing them of 1 in 2010 as u can see presently messi can no longer bang goals as he used to because xavi and iniesta are no longer there to assist him and this is the only reason why barca have been poor in form over the years, barca did not prepare for life after busquet,xavi and iniesta who were best cm and dm of all time.

it is wrong to say Messi is nothing without Xavi & Iniesta.....without Xavi, Iniesta and Neymar Messi still went ahead to win balon dor and other numerous awards including UEFA best player, European and UCL top scorer. Yes, he hasn't won the CL without them and that's because other members of his team have been playing far below expectation. Football is not an individual game therefore, Messi needs his teammate to be at the top of their game to achieve success. Ronaldo hasn't done much since he left and the reason is not far fetched.

paulolee:
better. ..BT saying messi wouldn't win without them sounds unfair to messi talents ....because they both have it easier with each other n difficult without each oda..

I wasn't the person that said it.......I'm sure he's among those that feel Messi is average without Iniesta & Xavi.

paulolee:
yeah I know BT they flopped badly after dt...wr dumped out in the group stage im next world cup in d group stage mayb bcox other teams found out how to handle them but that same trio won barca last UCL against Juve in 2015 after we all thought they were finished..
they is more than to dt d trio in barca than in spain...without messi u can easily play against them n thier tiki taka using high pressing n fast counter attacks like chile once did but with mess its different bcoz messi is waiting to punish u if u ain't dt perfect wit dt gamen plan n dts why i said earlier dt d trio is more abt d messi factor...
and also u forgot dt messi won some of those ballon d or breaking individual records, bt i still think a Xavi or iniesta deserved dt 2010 award..

I have seen them struggle against many teams without Messi.....they compliment each other.

Modric-Kroos-Casemeiro is one of the best we've ever seen but truth is, no midfield combination can match Xavi-Iniesta-Busquet.

oyatainer:
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You are naive to know that Barca image globally will decline a bit without Messi. That's why Bartomeu did not want that to happen.

It happens everywhere, if Man City signs Messi now, do you think it is only what he plays on the field they want to buy. Endorsement, image right, sponsorship and host of others are the reasons for his enormous wage. You earn according to your input.

I ó one heard this until COVID 19 started. Barca has been on the top of money rich for years now, Ll thanks to Messi.

No point explaining. If he doesn't understand, just let him be. His comment is enough says a lot......!

Kilishihunter:
But he did stuff to earn that contract didn't he? Oh you think other clubs especially in England wouldn't have offered him a better contract if there was a remote possibility of him leaving? And pls stop that balderdash about him participating in 3 when he clearly played in the 2006 season even scoring in it before his injury against Chelsea Messi's contract is not the problem of the club bro Bartomeu made huge signings of players of mostly 50 to over 100m The last being griezmann Barcelona also has the highest wage bill in the world Even griezmann earns over a 100m per season Go and check it out you have Google and the coronavirus is partly to blame as a major source of the clubs revenue is gotten from tickets sold at the camp nou Spain doesn't have the lucrative TV rights to bail them out as England and since 2017 Messi has delivered trophies except the champions league since that's what you wanna hear Messi is not a keeper/ defender to protect leads from being bottled so don't just bring your nonsense talk Btw why has 'Mr. Champions league' not delivered in Turin yet

he's simply looking for attention with this stale argument about Messi winning 3 UCL........What if he won 3?? Does it change the fact that he is a Champion League winner??

Religion seem to be the only thing that distinguishes the south from the north. Alot would have been said, if this had happened somewhere in the north.

Buhari get bashed everyday for his nepotic nature.

Hypocrisy is truly a national practice........ The southerners should stop acting like saints cos they are all guilty of failing this nation.

I am not from the north and I don't support the President either.

Beverlyjean:
But Ronaldo also has 2 best award while messi has 1

Not contesting that.....just wanted you to see why Pele & Maradona never won balon dor.

Beverlyjean:
Cruyff won it 3 times ...Maradona and Pele dint even win 1 but who do world football talk about... balon dor can't determine greater player cos people will always b biased in the voting ...example, messi voted for neymar and mbappe ahead of Lewandowski, when it was certain that Lewandowski outperformed both

This is a different era and alot has changed. Balon dor will always be a determinant otherwise, why was Ronaldo fighting to close the gap with Messi all these years....... Meanwhile, see why Pele & Maradona never won the award below.

Obviously, not the first player to be sent off and certainly won't be the last.......Why is Leo's red card a big deal??

At this point, I don't give a Bleep........nothing about this government surprises me anymore.

pquaver:
I Wan let am See him own reasoning and logic by applying to the player e like..

I read your response and I get your point.....first, he said Messi didn't play any quarter, semi or even the final game after I counter am with proof of the Chelsea game when Del horno injure Messi, he jump to how many finals Messi don play. You can't ever win against him. I don dey watch club football for 17years now so I no dey argue based wetin I hear or feel.... If I no know or too sure, I google to confirm. i fit bet my balls say him never dey watch ball 2006 when Barcelona win UCL.

pquaver:
I didn't know an 18year old scoring 15 goals that whole season was not instrumental. Playing 6 games in total scoring 1 and 2 assist before the group stage was not important. Well by your logic Ronaldo was not Portugal best player because in the lead up to the final Nani and quaresma decided those games not Ronaldo and Ronaldo did not outscore Nani so therefore Ronaldo was not instrumental to Euro win and we all know it. Infact Eder was the deciding factor because Ronaldo has been to many euros before that with nothing to show for so deceive yourself. It took Eder to bring a trophy home. So you are trying to force Ronaldo into a star he is not.. Infact Ronaldo has not won any important trophy at any club he was until the arrival of certain star players. He was in man utd since 2003, they could not win champions league until Tevez came.. To still prove it Tevez won the same Olympics games for Argentina while Ronaldo and Portugal crash out in 2004. Ronaldo went to Madrid in 2009 infact Madrid did not smell final until Gareth bale came to do it. Now even Juventus who used to be in finals and win seria a are no longer doing that since he came... But people like you are trying to force it down our throat how he is such a great match winner. Dude na scam. Deal with it

dude, you get time ooh

Beverlyjean:
2 with man u( back to back) and 4 with madrid ( back to back to back) messi has never even played a back to bk CL final in his career...ronaldo has don it with 2 different teams

He has never played back to back finals but he has won 4 consecutive balon dor and 4 consecutive UCL top scorer.

pquaver:
do u see how dumb you are.. If you are giving villa the props of killing of the game in 2011 so how is making it 2-0 not the same as killing of the game in a match that ended 2-0? Are you sure your cognitive reasoning is still in intact?

Messi also killed the game in 2009 finals versus Man United.

Beverlyjean:
Lol..he has only played 3 finals...ronaldo has played 6

Is that an achievement?

Messi has 100% record in the finals.

How about your goat??
He suffered a loss against Messi in 2009 UCL finals.
Remember the header??