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[quote author=fergie001 post=108114044]I will take both together....
Messi is a great whether or whether not he had won the Copa, but he can never be Maradona. Maradona is a god, even in Argentina you will be told that. Ronaldo is a great and a legend in the game as well....take nothing from it. Those three you mentioned won something neither Messi nor Ronaldo has won.

The Ballon d'Or is an European Award that was expanded in 1995. It is open to only Journalists from member nations and the fact remains that in the last years, it has been at the discretion of the Journalists because Messi and Ronaldo defies logic.

Remember, the decision to expand was because FIFA World Best was more recognized.

There is no requirement(s) for winning a Ballon d'Or tbf. UEFA Cup Winners Cup can give you Ballon d'Or.

Like you said, there's no requirement for winning the Balon D'or. If UEFA Cup Winners Cup is enough to win Balon D'or, why not Copa America??

If Rivaldo's Copa gave him Ballon d'Or in 1999, you forget he won the La Liga as the second highest goalscorer with 24 goals.

How did he manage to defeat Beckham that won treble, if it wasn't Copa America??

Again, Owen won the UEFA Cup with Liv in 2001 and won the BD'Or....he beat Raul who won the league with Real and beat Kahn who won the UCL and Bundesliga in same year.

and who was recognized as the World Best Player in that year? Figo!
If UEFA Cup Winner Cup was prestigious then, why didn't FIFA crown or even nominate Owen? Raul lost the Balon D'or to owen but got FIFA nomination for World Best and Owen didn't even make top 3......This shows UEFA Cup cannot determine who emerges FIFA Best.

Ronaldo who won the 2013 edition defeated Ribery who won the treble. NB: He didn't win the la Liga same year.

which means there's no pattern to this thing even though some of us have limited it to winning trophies and goals.

Just like many others including those who played the game, I believe the winner should have gone to Lewy.....but it has been given to Messi, no one needs to cry about it. One thing I know for free is that Lewy will be top 2 next year again.

2020 was Lewandoski's award to win and i also do not have any iota of doubt about him winning or making top 2 next year.

Even Barca Great, and a former winner- Johan Cruyff said back in 2012 or 2013; that it has become a popularity contest where Journalists vote for their friends.

You and i know this award is by vote, if Messi emerges winner, should the organizers switch vote to favour Lewandoski??

I will leave you with Nedved's statement when he was asked to make a speech after winning the BD'Or in 2003....."If I am voting, I will vote Thierry Henry, I think he deserves it."

Good..... In 2004, Ronaldinho defeated Henry to win FIFA World Best. He didn't win the UCL. He won La liga just like Henry won the EPL unbeaten and statistically, Henry absolutely had no match in Europe. Fergie, by now you should know, you are one of the few persons in this section whose opinion i respect so much. What will you say about that??

paulolee:
get his attention?? u sure he isnt aware of wats going on?? u sure he isnt seeing or reading about our rants n complain about dis same bias n sentiments?? all.man are sentimental but it varies in degree of which u choose to hold, u sure dt he isnt a die hard cr7 fan like dis mods??

He is the owner of the platform and its best we make it official.....His response will reveal if this is a conspiracy between him and the MODs

What they are doing now is exactly what they did to PDP in 2015...... they supported and brought Buhari to power.

Oddfinder:
Omo u confused me..messi's record in the third picture (2018) also appeared in his records in the first picture as 2016... what happened..

The first was 2016 while the second was 2018

Numerouno94:
Bro i observed this trend d morning after the award was given. That's the least they can do, afterall, it's no news that most of the mods re pendumods. Let them keep wallowing in their pain.

All these smear campaign really shows that they re pained. I luv seeing them in extreme pain.

Last week, transgender was busy insulting and using all form of derogatory words to bully people, the MODs didn't act........ just our usually argument and banter, before you know it, my account was banned.

JohnnyPalmer:
Ojeemah, Paulolee, Numerouno94, unbitchable, thierryjay, mangekyo,

Something has to be done with the rate at which these pathetic and biased mods have been pushing anti-messi topics to the front page

Messi won his 7th,they should deal with it... Why all these he doesn't deserve it, lewy was cheated, ballon d or has lost it's credibility

Pushing a false narrative to the front page

It's really unfortunate for a forum as big as nairaland to be involved in such

Ever since he won, I am yet to see a thread created just to give honour to whom honour is due

Just create an anti-messi thread and you hit frontpage

It's incredibly ridiculous

All the anti-messi campaigns here did not prevent him from winning his 7th

What were you expecting??

If Seun does not do some thing about this, then i fear for this forum cos i have never see this level of hatred and bias in my entire life.

If they can do this as Nairaland MODs, imagine what they would do at the helm of affairs in this country.

The intention behind this smear campaign is to slander, discredit and assassinated Messi's character.

This has further confirm their position in this never ending war between Ronaldo & Messi fans on this forum.

Aside the mention, is there any other way we can get Seun's attention?? This is becoming too much!
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forgiveness:
Did he win it? No! Then why did he win it?

That's an illustration meanwhile he won Copa America and Copa America is Euro equivalent

fergie001:
Don't misinform young people here....

Ronaldo didn't win Ballon d'Or because he won Copa America;

Ronaldo won the UEFA Cup Winners Cup
Ronaldo won the European Golden Shoe
Ronaldo won the Copa del Rey
Ronaldo won the Spanish Super Cup
Ronaldo scored 47 goals in 49 games
Ronaldo had the highest sign-om fee @ the time.

All this in 1997.

UEFA Cup is not UEFA Champions League. I never knew UEFA Cup is/was a requirement for Balon D'or??

His Copa America Victory played a crucial role not the UEFA Cup.
Would you have accepted Messi as a worthy winner, if he had won the Europa League??

what exact is wrong with winning COPA AMERICA??

why are you guys trying so hard to belittle the tournaments cos its played by fewer teams or cos Messi won it??
As far as i can remember, this is more like the first time i am seeing this level of criticism about COPA AMERICA.
Did you guys know the tournament is lowly rated when you asked Messi to win an Int'l tournament before he can be considered one of the greats like Ronaldo, Pele & Maradona?

South America is made up of 12 countries and i don't think its anybody's fault. it is what it is.

The number of games it takes to win Euro is still the same number of games it takes to win CA....... Why the disparity??

How about Rivaldo that defeated Beckham that won treble??

me69:
you don't evaluate forwards the way you evaluate midfield. We look at the impact of a player on the pitch in relation to what he has won

Have you evaluated Messi and the things he won?

Timekeeper:
Bro.. It's jsut sport and fun.. Pls. Help him if need be...

Pls

i have done that before. you can ask him.

Kajaard:
Well said

Thanks

paulolee:
no be lie bros..,kum de shout inclonclsive, rigging and dey quote laws on electoral acts wen APC don already enter sit..

just as we dey wait make Buhari tenure finish whether we vote or not naso dem go wait and wail until another person win the award

Crystyano:
Hello

I've sent the reminder

Yes, I have seen it and i am sorry to disappoint you as i happen to find myself in this category of people you just referred to as zombie here.

Zombie cos we share different view

No hard feelings.....nothing personal just my decision

paulolee:
lolz...i kno na...but at least I go see post from dt chronic cr7 moniker n he go enter f.p..
its bin long I read her post on sports section, maybe she still never switch on her fone since messi win dt evening..

she don realize say Nairaland hatred and bashing no fit avert fate......they think say na Nairalanders dey cast vote.

Ronaldo supporters be like those wey supporter PDP but no get PVC....... After Apc win election dey begin cry even though they no vote or dey eligible to vote

FuckkME:
Pendu lovers go avoid dis thread

OP, stop trying to persuade them...... When has Messi won anything genuinely in their eyes??

2010, they cried

2019, they still cried

I was even surprise to see them crying about 2012 that Messi broke and created about 10 new world records.

2021................were you expecting them not to cry??

just be empathic and get them something to wipe their tears.

paulolee:
Baba...jus ignore dis guys....all trowing tantrums bcox of sentiments...make dier man score n e go releive dm the pain of this award

goals no go ease this pain ooh

Iretii0511:
Messi fans are the most hypocritical fellow I’ve seen in football world.


They are quick to use the statistic below to justify the fraud perpetuated yesterday.

Now let’s take a second look at the stats they’ve been posting to support this obvious fraud.



Messi played 49 games while Lewa played 45, 4 less than Messi.

In his 49 total game played, Messi scored 40 goals and 16 assists making a total of 56 goals contribution.

Goals per game for Messi stands at 0.82
Goals per game for Lewa stands at 1.2


Lewa has 54 goals and 8 assists making a total of 62 goal contributions

Goals contribution per game for Messi stands at 1.14

Goals contribution per game for Lewa stands at 1.38 per game

Messi has a total of 103 shots on target out of which he scored only 40.

Lewa has 98 shots on target out of which he scored a whooping 54.

Goal conversion rate for Messi (using shorts on target) stands at 38.8%

Goal conversion rate for Lewa stands at 55.1%

As forwards, these are the most important attributes expected of a forward.

As for number of dribbles completed and number of passes made, that depends on the style of play of the club. They aren’t important parameters in determining what a real forward should be.

But trust Messi fans to want to shove irrelevant statistics down our throat to justify the daylight robbery that happened yesterday

Your analysis is flawed......There's a difference between World Best Player and World Best Striker/Attacker.

What you did is for the best attacker which nobody is dragging with Lewandoski

okuta007:
Ronaldo get time to dey reply dem - A man with 5 Ballon D'Or should be content with his life.. what of great players like Ronaldo Nazario de Lima (el-phenomenon) and Ronaldinho Gaucho who won it once or twice, does that mean their places are not cemented as Soccer Greats in history? What about Samuel Eto'o Fils, Didier Drogba and Thierry Henry who never won the titles though they deserved it at some point in their careers - make dem dey cry abi? What about Magicians like Iniesta, Xavi and Aryen Robben who were the best among players at some point in years past - they never won it - so make them go hang abi? What about Mo Salah - who I honestly think is the best player in the world right now - aww I forgot he is Egyptian and bad for corporate sponsorship - IF his name was Salahdinho from Brazil, or Mario Salahorro from Italy of Argentina - then he will be given the AWARD without qualms

FOLKS - It is a rigged system !!!! - according to Trump, and someday we will ALL see just like the corruption of Bernard Tapie; the former owner of Olympic Marseille FC of France, who in the 1990's was convicted for match fixing and went to jail..., I wont be surprised that the Arab billionaire who owns PSG bought this award for Messi against Lewandowski just to package him enough to recoup the hundreds of millions of Euros he spent on bringing Messi to France - yes, never underestimate these football mafia - they run the game on and off the field - they run the media and all the pundits and they decide what you hear, what you see and what you think is happening in world football!!! - IF not that US and the UK breached all protocols to investigate FIFA using the interpol, who would believe Qatar 2022 world cup bid was bought and sold with the former FIFA president Sepp Blatter being in the middle of the mess

MY QUESTION IS - When has one's performance in Copa America ALONE been the yardstick to measure the Ballon d'Or award winner? so all the years Messi didnt win the Copa America, why were the key players in the teams that won the previous editions of copa not made to win the award? AWWW then it was club performance they considered. But now since Messi and Barca ended in the toilet last season, but he managed to win copa with Argentina- Now Copa is the most important yardstick to measure the award winner . RIDICULOUS!!!!

Messi is not the first to become the World Best Player by winning Copa America. In 1997, Ronaldo won Copa America and was crown FIFA Best Player and, in 1999, Rivaldo defeated treble winning David Beckham to win the award as well.

As long as they are still putting on their sentimental lenses, they will never understand why Messi deserved to win.

Always talking shit as if Messi doesn't have the stats and trophies to back his win.

If Messi was a European and he won La liga Top scorer, Copa Del Rey, Euros, Player of the Tournament & Top scorer, would the hypocrite had spew this crap??

When Ronaldo De Lima & Rivaldo won FIFA Best by winning Copa America 97 & 99, it wasn't a 10 teams tournament but anything Messi wins automatically becomes irrelevant..................jokers!!

Messi & Lewy fumbled in the UCL. Messi covered his abysmal performance in UCL with his CA win and performances while Lewy couldn't do same with Poland, knowing its a year for int'l tournaments and it will play a major role in deciding the winner.

Balon D'or should look for a way to present 2020 award to him cos most people dey confuse his 2020 achievements with 2021.

same people that didn't question why Messi finished 5th in 2018 despite having the best individual stats dey complain as if anybody told them the award is for any player that scored the highest number of goals

See 2016 & 2018 stats and Messi lost

LabelKiller:
you too dey yarn dust. Copa dey the same level with afcon LMAO
No afcon team has reached the world cup finals. stop the cap. you have been crying all day get some rest.
The team with the most world cups is from south America
first team to win world cup is from south America.
Carry your dust clean your face.

Stop disguising behind lewandoski.
And to those saying I'm a true Messi fan but Messi deserve. stop the cap abeg, we can literally read the tears in your voice
Ronaldo came second in goal 50 which was voted by fans the irony lol

i didn't even bother to reply cos na trash e write there.

was there ever a time they said UCL is the major criteria for Balon D'or??

In 2004, Ronaldinho defeated Henry without winning the UCL even though Henry had the best individual stats in Europe

Ronaldo won FIFA Best winning just Copa America in 97

Rivaldo did same in 99.

Were they blind when Messi was powering that average Barcelona team last season by scoring crucial and matching winning goals week in, week out??

Still went to Copa America to do wonders.

Kingosytex:
I've spent a great deal of time on FB explaining to them why Messi won the award. To be very frank, Im tired of offering further explanations. A whole lot of them don't even know the difference the 2019/2020 season and 2020/2022 season.
They are confusing the 2019/2020 season annulled as a result of coronavirus to the 2020/2021 season. The thing tire me.


Only an ignorant or extremely biased mind will claim that Leo doesn't deserve the award and it's no coincidence that most Cristiano fans fall into the aforementioned categories.

If the Ballon D'Or awards is based on G+A as Cristiano fans now claim then Messi should have at least nine Ballon D'Or awards.

I consider their opinion inconsequential cos it's obviously outta hatred for Messi.

They are simply trying to merge both seasons to make it look like a day light robbery cos everyone knows Lewy should have won Balon D'or in 2020.

Some even carry this season join say Salah better pass Messi cos doing well at the moment.

askdek:
nice analysis....but what of sneider in 2010?

Let's assume Sneijder was robbed, was he also robbed by UEFA & Seria A for crowning Milito UEFA & Seria A Player of the Year respectively?

Milito was Inter Player of the Year, Seria A & UEFA......Sneijder didn't win Best player in any of the competition he participated even in the WC, he wasn't the Best.

Sneijder never deserved 2010 Balon D'or. His performance was blown outta proportion by those that feels he won treble.

He didn't make top 3 cos his individual stats were not really impressive (4 league & 3 UCL goals in the whole season) maybe if Netherlands had won the world cup, he would have been considered.

To me, Iniesta was a far better candidate in 2010 not Sneijder.....he won the WC and shared every other trophy with Messi.

The only edge Messi had was individual stats cos Messi was UCL top scorer, European Golden Boot Winner & La liga Player of the Year.

He also won La liga, Copa Del Rey, Club World Cup and UEFA Super Cup in 2010.

So in a way, Messi deserve it.

Kingosytex:
Stop disturbing yourself.
Ronaldo fans are allergic to sound reasoning.

emae009:
just one day and I'm already tired of this 7th sef.
Abeg make next year do come for the 8th. we must choke some set of people to death.
they'll have sense by force

make they continue dey cry.......I dey enjoy am cos we told them but no believe

Formation10:
Bros u no dey talk truth make i ask u waiting messi don play dis u dey talk of dis year even Victor osemhem better pass messi dis season

know this, there's a huge difference between this year and this season.....The award for this year will be judged on last season's performance.

Those that claim Lewandoski should have won, should logically explain how Messi with the best individual stats ended 5th in 2018.

For those that said, Sanchez should have won Balon D'or for winning Copa America in 2016.....please read and stop misleading others.

In 2016, Sanchez had a good stats. Was his individual performance Balon D'or worthy despite his 48goals and assists combined? No, because others had better stats. In 2016, winning Copa America was not enough to get Sanchez nominated because his individual performance was dwarfed by other players compare to Messi whose individual stats can only be matched by Lewandoski in 2021.

In 2016, Sanchez was not EPL top Scorer nor Best Player but in 2021, Messi topped goal chart in Spain.

In 2016, Sanchez was Copa America Best Player while in 2021, Messi was not just the Best Player in Copa America but also topped goal chart.

Look at the screenshot carefully, In 2016, Messi had 51 goals plus 29 assists which means he was involved in 80 goals and assists.

while Ronaldo had 44goals and 16 assists which means he was involved in 60 goals and assists.

Messi had a better individual stats in 2016 but Ronaldo backed his with UCL & Euros.

Now compare Sanchez's stats with those that were nominated let's see if he would even stand a chance.

Personally, I feel bad for Lewandoski cos he should have won 2020 without a fight but unfortunately, he can't win 2021 out of pity. It wasn't Messi fault that the organizers cancelled it.

Numerouno94:
The only Joyner Lucas song wey i don listen to Na Devils Work. Bro that song mad.

Haa........abeg try download him last album (Evolution)

Numerouno94:
I was able to deduce two points from their wailing;
1) Some of them are confusing the calendar year together. 2020 was for lewa, COVID cancelled it, 2021 is purely Messi. Verdict: they don't knw the difference betwn 2019/2020 season from 2020/2021.

Exactly, my brother and the few ones that understand deliberately refused to educate them in a bid to push their agenda.

2) Some of them thought the organisers used Messi's latest form for psg nd Lewi's current Bayern form as a yardstick. Verdict: They don't knw that the yardstick used for voting was strictly last seasons performance nd not this current season.

If you remember vividly, thierryjay said something about being a good student of football history in that brilliant piece he drafted...... I have finally come to a conclusion that, most Ronaldo fanboys are either ignorant or biased.

3) Most of them re fully aware of the misconceptions above buh they chose to play the Ostrich cos of agenda. An agenda that is dead on arrival. Verdict: They can continue to wallow in pain nd jealousy.

and people like that go still get mind dey blame Buhari?? No wonder, Nigeria is on a stand still.....I won't be surprise if they decide to vote for him once more.

Numerouno94:
These him singles they give me "Beautiful pain" ft Sia in is Marshal Mathers album nd "Guts over fear" ft Sia. I repeat em like mad.

Eminem na one fvkin intelligent guy. Wasn't surprised when i hear say him na writer nd poet.

swear down.....the guy good die.

You don listen to Lucas Joyner?

Numerouno94:
Hahahahahahaha Na u nd Thierryjay hand i try learn savagery from oo. Infact i still dey learn for where una dey. I blif say him/her go free my way for the next one week.

[b]Funi enuf i b Eminem correct fan [/b]oo yet i never listen to the song. Abeg make visit my boom player download am sharply.

Really??

na my day 1 MC be dat from Marshal Mathers-Eminem Show-Encore-Curtain Cain-Relapse-Recovery and so on.

Numerouno94:
Hahahahahahaha tanx bro.

We will continue to add salt to their injury by frustrating their agenda. We go pepe them. No peace for the wicked.

you don listen to nail in the coffin by Eminem or Ether by Nas??

Na wetin you do that bitch!!

Numerouno94:
Tanx boss, i was jux in my best behavior

They are all pained and frustrated after all their efforts to bring Messi down was proved futile.....just ignore their hostility and act like you dont notice their presence