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oyatainer:
That says a lot. Four managers in four years but one cannot say he is the reason for their sack directly;
1 teams are well prepared to meet Juventus and Man united hoping that Ronaldo is still there unfortunately, he is no longer of that age where he can carry a team like he used to be. Its an obvious fact but difficult to believe.

Then again, most coaches nowadays expect running at all time for 90 minutes. If you are not with the team you run to win ball. That was the problem Aguero had with Pep when he just joined Man City. It was the same thing that happens in those teams Ronaldo played for. and he cannot do that again. One of Man United legends have said it this season but Ronaldo Atlanta goals made people to forget that. Only people that don't observe that Man United formation before Ronaldo changed this season when he joined. a team that was unbeaten for matches away now became a laughing stock. Man United absorb pressure and counter attack but stopped that since Ronaldo joined. Not Ronaldo fault here but coach that forget his identity.

Another thing is that Ronaldo is paying the price of being the star among them. People tend to look up to the star when one is in the team. One thing I observe is that People rise to ocassion when it is getting tougher in Madrid. I KNOW HOW MANY time Ramos, Benzema and Bale have rose to occassion to bail out Madrid when opposition became strong for Madrid. the same thing cannot be said of Ronaldo. Before Ronaldo joined Juventus and Man United, they used to have people , at least 3 that will have up to ten goals per season, but it reduced drastically because of Ronaldo presence. Bruno Fernadez has not had up to 3 goals since Ronaldo joined whereas he has had four before Ronaldo joined.
the summary of it all is that its NOT Ronaldo but Ronaldo is indirectly involevd in their sacking.

Valid points

cr7lomo:
Stop telling lies , super cup is the first cup of every season and not counted as previous... its usually the first game of the new season . The whole award is crap cos messi favourism...blatter messed the whole thing due to favourism of messi ... messi was not meant to win 2010 , 2012 and 2019 ...and certainly not 2021, he sudnt even b in the conversation. Ronaldo doesn't only deserve 2013 , but deserved the rest ... 2010 Sneidjer or iniesta deserved it, 2012 , Ronaldo or deserved it, 2013 Robben or Ribery deserved it , 2018 Ronaldo deserved it, 2019 van dyke deserved it... if it was a genuine award , its meant to me Ronaldo 6 and messi only deserved 2009, 2011 and 2015

We have told you severally that its an individual award and not for player whose team won most trophies.

2010.........Tell me just one player better than Messi in 2010 and write down their achievements and individually stats
Messi's achievements below

Barcelona
La liga,
Copa Del Rey,
CWC,
UEFA & Spanish Super Cup.

Individual Achievements
European Golden Boot,
UEFA Top scorer,
La liga Player of the Season

Sneijder should never be in this discussion and thats why he wasn't nominated. Milito was UEFA And Seria Player of the Year.......even in the World Cup, he wasn't the Best Player.

The only achievement the niqqa had was winning the UCL and Seria A with inter and playing with the star studded Netherlands team at the World Cup.

In the UCL, na 3 goals he score ........Seria A na just 4 goals all season https://www.worldfootball.net/goalgetter/ita-serie-a-2009-2010/

2012.........Even Ronaldo would argue this with you......aside winning la liga and pinchichi, what else??
all round performance Messi flogged abi you wan compare 91 goals that broke numerous worldwide record to his 69 abi 70? remember its based on individual performance before team achievement go come in.

Messi
91 goals
22 Assist

Barcelona
Copa Del Rey
CWC
UEFA super cup

Ronaldo
70 goals
13 assist

Real Madrid
La liga
https://www.messivsronaldo.app/calendar-year-stats/2012

2019......... You guys thought losing the UCL to Liverpool would stop him from winning Balon D,or una forget say na performance dey decide not the trophy itself

Messi
European Golden Boot
La liga Golden Boot
La liga Player of the Year ......... and the only thing that stopped him from winning UEFA Player of the Year was simply because the winner must come the winning team.

Barcelona
La liga

VVD
UEFA & PFA Award.

Liverpool
UCL

if we go by your judgement, Messi should have beaten Ronaldo to 2016 & 2017 cos he scored more goals than him in both seasons but Ronaldo won cos he wasn't far behind in goals and he won the UCL and the Euros

cr7lomo:
Forget those useless mods ....na ontop politics PDP APC mata , thats when I concluded that either nairaland is controlled by DSS of the mods are bigots or APC apologists

Not surprised..............Maybe you don forget say Nairaland na one of the vehicles APC used to drive their agenda in 2015.

The MODs dey do the bidding of the owner........This forum spoil after 2015 general election when they created a serious rift between the Igbos and the Yorubas just because of traffic cos of this same PDP and APC mata.

Gone are the days when Nairaland dey filled with brilliant minds.........i no just wan mention names but they are all on twitter now

cr7lomo:
I hv 2 accounts ....this particular one is an old one that the moderators banned for almost 2 years , had to open Kingcalls... but its nothing serious, its just fun atimes ... the truth is that messi and Ronaldo arguments can never end , even after retirement....ojeemah , forget we all just having fun

i just wish i knew it was you all along....... wetin u do MODs ban you for 2years?

cr7lomo:
I never meant top 20 in nomination...besides, he dint deserve it , Messi first won it with a trophiless season , cos winning FA cup no follow ... champions league, league , euros, World cup ...every past winner won one of those cups until messi won with with copa de rey ( non credible cup) y'all based it on goals, so Ronaldo did same the following season by hitting 78 goals he also deserved it then...

It was extended cos the criminal blatter was caught off mic saying he will always favour messi in the balon dor ahead of Ronaldo, even if Ronaldo performs better. He now compensated him with golden ball that muller , neure or James deserved. But messi that scored only in the group games against Nigeria, Bosnia and Iran ( dead teams) with no single goal contribution in the knockout won it . Fake... there's a difference between big games and big teams, Ronaldo performs better in big games than messi..fact ... u are talking about casillas , Ronaldo has scored buffon 12 times every single time he has played him he scored...messi has only scored buffon in just one game despite playing him multiple times... Ronaldo is the only player to have scored a hat trick against oblack and he did it 2 times with 2 different clubs that dont play the same type of football.

Do you survive on Messi vs Ronaldo debate?? why you create different profile to continue trolling after you tell me few weeks ago say, you don wash your hand comot from Messi and Ronaldo argument but like numerouno94 said in one of his posts, leopard no fit change spot.......too bad you had to disguise to be someone else once again, kingscall.

I had my doubt when Johnnypalmer called you out but you Samsung phone just exposed you.

maxwell530:
I don leave ham already. Imagine someone comparing a 19 year old Messi with Theo Walcott na, he went ahead to say Copa dey Try is not a trophy. Who could be dull enough not to know that Copa dey Rey is Spanish fa cup just like English fa cup, German dfb pokal,coppa Italia in Italy.
Every trophies Messi has won are useless to them, I won't be surprised tomorrow to see them calling World cup useless

Oga no worry your head.

e wan give excuse for 2013 Balon D'or wey ronaldo win without any trophy thinking say we never forget how Athletic Madrid flog Madrid for final of that same Copa Del Rey he was trying to belittle.

oyatainer:
I am not sure you follow the argument at all. 19 years or under performance is what we are after here bros;


We are talking about under age performance of Ronaldo and Messi and I bring him facts that no one knew Ronaldo to be this great at 19. Is that too much for you abi you don't know how they do analogy. Yours is to bring me what Ronaldo won in team or individual at that age. You said Ronaldo performed better 6than Messi at 19. hence all these facts.

it was at that point he decided to change the narrative knowing full well, Ronaldo had little or no argument at all.

Numerouno94:
Play play Ur Arsenal don topple United for table. Chai!!

Yes na...........Man united na overrated team

fergie001:
So you wan enjoy ya own too?

who go see good 3 points reject am??

I regret even pitying Arsenal at one time

no hard feelings bro......we just wan enjoy the giveaway like those teams that benefitted.

Well, I blame you? If that money they used in buying that idiot from Leicester was used to do better things, I would have been happier.

when the idiot scored the equalizer against Atalanta una give Ronaldo all the praise cos he scored the winner........as e commit small blunder, naim you remember say una dash Leceister 80m

Numerouno94:
Play play Ur Arsenal don topple United for table. Chai!!

and their plastic fans were busy taunting arsenal with relegation when season began...............Irony of life!

fergie001:
So, you people wanted that man to continue true true... Chai

No but they for wait make i first collect my 3 points

Where is your humanity? Una no get conscience?

when others dey enjoy 3 points, you ask if they get conscience??

Numerouno94:
Hope the money large ba? No forget to ask for our aza ones the contract click.

They money wey Yeye Bello hide abii

As for pendulums, we will continue to preach the gospel to them until they re converted nd shown the light.

Extend the preaching to the MODs

Talking abt the mods aka Pendumods, abeg use Daura Secret Service carry them go.

fergie001:
Comot Pinocchio put dundee, na fresh air?

e no go better for the person wey sack Ole before Arsenal play them

fergie001:
Lewandowski Jorginho Messi.....will be my three pick

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Roberto Mancini

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Edouard Mendy

Good choice

Nominating Jorginho is enough compensation for winning UCL & Euro

Numerouno94:
Boss where u waka go since na? I tink say Buhari give u appointment u kun 4get ur boys here na.

Bros i dey tied up this period but i see how you, Thierryjay and Unbitchable dey school Pendulums........if Buhari knack me appointment, i go first arrest NL mods

Numerouno94:
This one purposely bashed her car bumper so that her imaginary fans will get her a 2020 range rover. Go highway nd see real accident. Nonsense nd Tega.

This guy

cr7lomo:
What Ronaldo had achieved at 19 , Messi dint. Apart from the hat trick against real, whatelse did he achieve? Ronaldo helped Portugal to their first ever final , scoring 2 times and assisting once. Messi that literally spent the whole of age 19 and part of 20 treating injuries. He was like Ansi fatsu then , play one game , spend the neat 3 injured. Most of u just started following Messi. Most of you dint even watch his early games.

Mbappe
Ronaldo de Lima
CR7
Pele
Walcott
Jude Bellingham
Jose Antonio Reyes
Bukayo saka
Sancho
Greenwood
Rashford
Zlatan
Halaand
Foden
Raul
Iniesta
Benzema
Neymar
Fati
Pogba
Maradona
George Best
Cryuff
Eusebio ( Black panther)
Michael Laudrup
Maldini
Kluivert
Owen
Totti
Rooney
Pedri

Most of u messi fans think football starts and ends with messi. And thats cos y'all just started watching football. U will mention stuff that other players had long achieved b4 him like its a new thing

I dey busy at the moment but when am free, you go place their achievements at 19 wey make you call them established players.

cr7lomo:
19 is not a tender age, de Lima won balon dor at that same age , mbappe won world cup at same age. Tender age is 17 , the age pele won world cup and was player of the tournament . The fact remains he lied that he did it at 17 ,2 yrs is a big difference. Most great players are usually established at that age

Stop trying to redefined the word "tender" cos your favourite Ronaldo had little or no significant achievement at that stage. Like it or not, you and i know 19 is a tender age in football.

At the bolded, name 10 great players that established at that age.

cr7lomo:
U no get Google for ur phone?? Show us when he scored the hattrick against Madrid at 17

He was 19 but e no change the fact that Messi scored a hattrick at a tender age against the world most successful club

Tobichuks08:
I will take your claims one after another

On goal
Ronaldo even having played 292 apps scored 311 la Liga goals, goal ratio of 1.071
While Messi played 520 and scored 474 la Liga goals.. ratio of 0.91

do you even read to understand?? he said for the 9years Ronaldo was in Spain, Messi outscored him and won more golden boots which is a fact.

On sporting and barca aside Ronaldinho and eto name another stop striker Barca had at the time Messi was brought into the team..

Would they have brought him if he wasn't good?? they had a choice sign a top player but they opted for him.

Someone who started playing under a good coach, a good teammates xavi, iniesta, Ronaldinho and you just name it..

Was Ferguson a bad coach?? what are you even saying?? Scholes was one of the best in his generation. Rooney was a brilliant player. Ferdinand and Vidic were among the best in their generation, Evra and Vandasar should also be among the top 3 back then........abi na Giggs you wan talk?? you guys should stop this lame excuse abeg........ if they were not good, how did they manage to win EPL and reach another UCL finals after Ronaldo left??

It was harder breaking into man united team for Ronaldo that it was for Messi..

harder how?? he was a direct replacement for Beckham. it didnt take long before he broke in Man united team.

Messi had a platform already, Barca was establishined winning la Liga before Ronaldo came..

if you knew the gap between Madrid and Barcelona before the Messi, Iniesta and Xavi era, you wouldnt have said this.

[s]As Messi won la Liga against elber and thier likes Ronaldo won ucl against Bayern and their likes[/s]..

Messi flogged his ass to win his second UCL and also knocked him out to win his third.

It took Ronaldo 8 minutes to score his first juve goal and 320 to score first seria a goal.
Now 320 minutes of football is how many matches?
Roughly 4, and you said your elber man that score his first after 6 matches didn't play more minutes wonderful..

Like i said agenda must agenda.

I don drop facts deal with it..

Are you referring to his failed mission in Italy?? since you claim he played with mediocres at Man united, why didn't he win Juve the UCL or even cross the QF with same mediocre players?? If Seria A was the target, am sure you know Juventus didn't need him to win that??

paulolee:
goals than messi...wats d goals without trophies??
he finished top scorer in league bt juve finished 4th, ns better tin?
he finished top scorer in Euros bt was dumped by Belgium n didnt win d cup or d best player na beter tin?
messi finished as top scorer, most assist in both d league n d copa n still won d copa along wit d best.player in dt copa...abeg na who try pass??

no fall for him lies......messi score more goals than Ronaldo last season. How person wey score 36 goals last season take get more goals that who score 38 plus 12 assists??

Formation10:
u don't know wat u are saying worst season but he get goals pass messi prove am

Stop deceiving people with fake stats.......Messi scored more goals than Ronaldo last season.

cr7lomo:
What is this one saying ? The whole world know that goal.com is same with messi.com

Did you even read the article? If goal.com is pro-messi like you claim, tell me how Ronaldo manager win 5 while Messi had 4 until he won this year's edition.

emae009:
how much do you have to bet??

stop wasting your time man....... He challenged me to a 20k bet few weeks back but him no get balls to run am when I accepted the offer.

Numerouno94:
Why u dey start wetin u no fit Finnish? U wey refuse to bet wit Ojeemah. Getaaaat.

Abeg leave the coward

Numerouno94:
Tanx bro. It's such a pity that these mods culd b this petty.

it is bro

PlayMaker14:
God bless you bro....


I ignored the daft unintelligent fellow called Upjis for some reasons.

that guy is uncultured...... E don try am with me before I no even waste time to hit am back.

MJBOLT:
that's the link,it should open if his page is public
https://www.facebook.com/100044447978953/posts/463875065104089/?app=fbl

Check the angry reacts on the comment,very funny

She even went to further to say they shouldn't tell Cristiano .

Na cruise sha

MJBOLT:
OJEEMAH & paulolee,did you guys see Georgina's comment on Messi's FB post??

please share....stopped using FB 3 years ago.

Numerouno94:
Can u imagine, no topic abt Ronaldo kicking Jones made it to frontpage. Jux imagine wat wuld hv happened if it were Messi?

i swear i shock too........ if na messi, not less than 3 topics would have flooded the FP

Numerouno94:
The prejudice against Messi by the mods on this platform is worrisome. Ojeemah nd i hv noticed this bias nd equally discussed it. Messi's achievements is hardly taken to the frontpage, buh any form of smear nd slander by Ronaldo's fan girls is rushed to the frontpage wit reckless abandon.

Due to this bias by the mods, a smear campaign against Messi has bn unleashed by every Tom, Dick nd Harry who re offcos Ronaldo's fangirls because they knw it will make frontage.

I very well knw of a notorious mod who is notoriously knwn for this buh i won't mention the name. As soon as Obembet drops her usual shenanigans against Messi nd she mentions the mod, like a slave waiting for his/her master's call the mod answers nd boom!! it's on frontpage.

They shuld continue, i no blame the mods na Seun wey find work give them i blame.

Nice one bro......you nailed it

orohbiro:
guy u wicked o see the way u go back to records go root am come outside

but na op start dey give records and history nau