₦airaland Forum

Eko Ile:
How i wish they are going.after corruption and not this fuel subsidy side show.

Relax folks, the focus remain that corruption. First they said we are too timid and we can't protest. Now they have seen it that we still have that spirit with which we sent IBB packing! Following this, the tune will change from fuel subsidy to Anti-corruption war

Right now, we are sending a very dare message to FG that the citizens are now docile as they assumed!

NLC have announced Monday the 9th of January 2012 as the date of the beginning of the mother of all strikes. All markets, airports, sea ports, gas stations, banks, all oil installation and production facilities will be completely shut out with effect  from that date.

Details coming soon,

Source: http://www.channelstv.com/global/live_video.php

Somehow, it is weird that  folks can't understand how protesting in an economic power block can have an effect back home  in this day and age!

I guess they do not live in London and if they do, they would have seen several protest in and around T-square, Westminister, etc by nationals of different countries.

I have posted already, if you are an illegal immigrant from Nigeria, do not bother to come protesting 'cos u'r part of the bad egg the protest will be targetting.

Let me tell you, the effort of Libyaians in the UK helped during their self cleansing of Gaddafi.

This protest is a solidarity match with our brothers and sisters backhome. FYI,most of us are regular visitors to Nigeria and our family, business, friends and colleagues are resident there and this obnoxious policy of the despotic President affect us here as it does affect them back home.

oxford:
This guy, I can see that while u instigate others to take to the street, you are in the comfort of your home farting through your brain. Government said it is deregulating the down stream sector. Know what that means? Free market - where prices are regulated by forces of demand and supply. Grab the opportunity this present: Set up a refinery, produce at N20 and sell at N200. Boy! this will be more useful endeavor than sitting your fat behind all day long typing rubbish  

It's gono happen here on Friday the 6th of January at 1pm, charing cross underground station. So chill mobilization is ongoing!

Bliss4Lyfe:
Exactly, my point on this issue. Clearly, Nigerians have been living a false life. We welcome the committee set up to monitor the use of the money for Nigerians or na me go lead protest.

Look the same Nigerians that delibrately designed a subsidy scheme to favour their pockets are still the ones in charge of these 'imaginary' savings and you expect them to spend it wisely?

Look, GEJ administration have fizzled out nearly $16bn in revenues from Excess crude and have you seen a road or hospital completed by this administration 9 months they would go and show you projects already appropriated for yesteryears as what they used the money for! The bottom line is, DO NOT trust this government, it's a government of liars, cheats and those that trade in deceit

toluxa1:
An Indefinite Nationwide strike by the NLC/TUC might be a powerful tool. But I also doubt if its gonna hold.

Strike to begin 11th of January 2012. This one will surely hold unless GEJ suspend the Subsidy Removal before this weekend !

Let me clear up so misconception being peddled by som ignorant folks here.
1. British police are not Police in Holland, they are not empowered to search anyone for papers in the public unless you are arrested for an offence, in which case, officers from the UKBA/HO will be called in.- Beside if you are an illegal immigrant in Britain, then you are part of the reasons why the protest is holding.

2. Never in the history of the Met Police, have record of protesters being arrested for immigration papers.

3. Shesi, Met Police are not Nigeria Police, they do not 'beat' and have top notch policing skills and are properly trained to monitor protest by various groups. FYI, this is not the first time Nigerians will be protesting in London. We have done it before, we have a very good record with the Lonon Met, hence the reason we have been granted this permit without much struggle.

To all, if you are free, or you can book time off work or those of you that your resumption date at work is next week, why not come out and support our fellow Nigerians back home, join the protest in London. It will be peaceful as usual and you will find other Nationalities supporting on that day. There many people out here that love Nigeria so much and care about what goes on there.

HNosegbe:
I agree with govt's position on the "economics" of subsidy removal, insofar as the monumental fraud can be stopped. However, our leaders cannot tell us to tighten our belt, why they fail to lead by example. You cannot tell me to pay double for transportation while you pay nothing. You can't expect me to fold my arms, watch and suffer while govt continues to allocate 72 percent of the budget to itself.

My point is, if govt expects this subsidy removal to sit well with Nigerians, they must be prepared to lead by example. Take drastic pay cuts. Reduce the humongous amounts for unnecessary overheads. Remove some unnecessary ministries and parastatals (like Min of Niger Delta and NDDC) and free up funds for much-needed capital spending to alleviate the suffering of the people.

But as long as govt continues to portray itself as wasteful, profligate, uncaring and inconsiderate, the people will continue to resist them, and for good reason.

Spot on,

jmaine:
Okay . . . 30% is quite a substantial volume to accommodate the OP question . . .

Going by that 30% quote by the Minister of Petroluem Resources, it therefor means that of their acclaimed 30million liters daily consumption, our refineries can spill out 9million litres daily approximately. Meaning, NNPC would be allowed to sell such a huge volume gotten locally, and transported using FG infrastructure nationwide, to the Nigerian consumer! That is what I call economic sabotage because like you and I know, NNPC never remits profits into the FG account rather they spend it on what who knows what!

karl max:
Omo_Tier1:
Seriously, this question does beg for serious answer folks. We all know our refineries are not all dead. At least they still refine some volumes of PMS. We also do know that the cost of refining locally is way way cheaper than the imported PMS, just as foreign rice is way more expensive than Abakiliki rice in Nigeria.

Then arise the question: Will NNPC mega station be selling fuel at far more cheaper rate of say N70 since the PMS refined in Nigeria are not subsidized? If yes, what will become of the oil marketers who the FG have said can go overseas and import and sell to the public. If the NNPC follow the PPPRA directive to sell @ N141 locally refined PMS, is that not an economic sabotage, selling almost 10 times the actual cost of production?

Fellow forumites, what is your take, any answers to the question above?


I thought people like Ʊ said our refineries are not working ?

When we say they are not working, Yes because they can not produce the actual volumes of PMS, DPK and Diesel for which they were designed and installed. Hence the out cry. In engineering will call that turning the wheel at excess torque when you only require 1RPM after gearing! In which case, we are spending more money on TAM but with little or no improvement.

If you are not aware, refineries do not only spill out liquids like PMS, there are lots of other hydrocarbon derivatives that come out of the refining process and most, if not all our refineries were designed and installed as multi-purpose refineries!

debosky:
This is one question that the government has completely evaded in the subsidy discussions - how much does it cost to refine one litre of petrol in Nigeria? Is it equivalent to the price of imported fuel?

A couple of comparisons:

the price of petrol in the UK (removing VAT and Duty) is approximately 53p. Based on a conversion rate of 250 naira to 1 pound, locally refined petrol should cost 132.5 naira.

http://www.petrolprices.com/the-price-of-fuel.html

In the US, the current cost of petrol is roughly 88 cents/litre. Removing tax, (12%), we come up with 77.44 cents/litre. Based on 150 naira to 1 dollar, the price of locally refined petrol should be 116.16 naira.

I suspect the difference between US and UK prices is due to exchange rates as well as different crude prices as well (WTI Crude used in a lot of the US is slightly cheaper than the UK standard Brent Crude)

I do not think Nigerian refining costs from inefficient refineries are significantly lower than foreign refineries, and 77% of the cost of petrol is from the price of crude.

In my opinion, Nigerian refined petrol should be in the range of 120-130 naira per litre taking the average of the two above and considering our inefficient distribution network using road tankers.

Let me begin by appreciating your price comparison using the UK and US examples. Correct me if I am wrong, I think the Federal Government template agreed with the Major International Oil companies actually put the cost of crude extraction and refining locally at N45, with a margin of profit between N15 to N25. I am trying to dig up that document and I will try and put it up when I do lay my hands on it.

However, I still think of the 450,000bpd local allocation, our refineries do refine about half of that quantity. If that be the case, will these locally refined crude be sold at N141? Should NNPC proceed to sell at N141, then there is no basis whatsoever for the FG to allocate crude to NNPC, rather NNPC should be made to 'buy' crude from the FG at International Markets prevailing prices, as those importing are also subject to the prevailing International Market prices, hence the reason PPPRA came up ith N141 minimum pump price. In fairness, and to allow for equal competition, NNPC  buying crude from the FG would put every player in that sector on equal footing. And idea I even find ridiculous  

By the way, the government claims we consume about 22million liters of PMS daily, but the CBN governor has continually challenged the DPR to provide the template that was used to arrive at that figure but none has been forth coming. Sanusi at the last Fuel subsidy removal debate even raised doubt as to the credibility of that figure and subsequently question whether the savings a thouted by the FG is equally as high as N1.36tn.

I for one feel questions like these are the silent issues the government has prevent the public from debating by rushing through this obnoxious policy.

[quote author=ochi-aha link=topic=838354.msg9892509#msg9892509 date=1325672442]This strike is really needed to bring the government back to the path of sanity.

This strike, however, should have been postponed to the end of January 2012, to enable those who had spent their funds during the Christmas and New Year Holidays replenish their pockets.

I[b] will suggest we find out how the Egyptians were able to sustain their Arab Spring strikes of 2011 for a very long period. Did the demonstrators have a way of reaching out to very poor members among them so that their will to carry on the strike for very long periods was not broken    [/b] I am asking this question because from previous strikes (which usually lasts about three days), after a day or two many traders, artisans, Okada motorcyclists, Drivers etc  resolve to carry on the strike will be broken, because of hunger, and they will go back to work. Most of these people get their money by working on daily basis. [/quote]The nature of this strike is those government agencies and private establishment that provide the much needed services are going to be locked up! If you as a market woman or a transporter cant get fuel or the little candle light you currently get is no more, then, you would be left to so a sit at home strike too 'cos it wont be worth it going to the market at the end of the day 'cos you would spend your daily profit on transport alone while your landlord would ne 'eyeing' you for a sharp increment and propmt payment of rent!

Seriously, this question does beg for serious answer folks. We all know our refinaries are not all dead. At least they still refine some volumes of PMS. We also do know that the cost of refining locally is way way cheaper than the imported PMS, just as foriegn rice is way more expensive than Abakiliki rice in Nigeria.

Then arise the question: Will NNPC mega station be selling fuel at far more cheaper rate of say N70 since the PMS refined in Nigeria are not subidized? If yes, what will become of the oil marketers who the FG have said can go overseas and import and sell to the public. If the NNPC follow the PPPRA directive to sell @ N141 locally refined PMS, is that not an economic sabotage, selling almost 10 times the actual cost of production?

Fellow forumites, what is your take, any answers to the question above?

oxford:
Nigerian masses? pls speak for yourself. where I am, we are smart guys - we cant be part of a senseless protest sponsored by corrupt fuel importers who are mad that the game is up! Nigerians are so used to foul air that they cant even recognize a fresh one when they see it. Go ahead burn tyres, kill urselves, block the roads - it is your undeniable right to be stup!d. It is called democracy

Duno where you are , maybe hiding in a cyber cafe with yahoo yahoo identity! I know your puppet NTA decided to deceive most of you that there was no protest held and that SS/SE youths support subsidy scam!

Hey, wake up, it's 2012, the world is much much bigger than NTA now, and as I speak, we are co ordinating real time feeds from various parts of Nigeria to the whole world.

You might be a lone shark in the yahoo yahoo world! And sorry, Nigerians are fed up 'fresh air' of deceit , lies, manipulation of facts, and dictatorial rulership! Mind you, in democracy, when the vast majority (88% in most polls) say No, even when you the leader think otherwise, you RESPECT the people's wish! Get it?, i feel sorry for your generation.

The economist is not telling us anything new 'm sorry! The FG is empowered to arrest, prosecute and jail anyone who committs any economic crime against the state! They claim much of the PMS is stolen across the border, hey! get the border locked up then. The FG arguements sound so silly in the face of the power and might at her disposals. It is easy to take the face value numbers and screame high heaven with it, but look beneath those numbers and ask yourself some pertinent questions like these ones:

How come during the Obj regimes, fuel subsidy was N390 roughly and remained so until GEJ took over with an astronomical increase of N1tn?

If the present refinaries on 60% utilization can meet domestice production, why then is the government not making serious effort to get them to work?

How much does it cost our neighbour to import their own PMS and it fuel cheaper in these neighbouring countries than it is currently in Nigeria? cheaper in relative terms as per economy of each country!

Micuilles:
The S/s & East are not protesting because we know the truth. How can a bottle of water which is 7.5cl cost more than a liter of petrol? We are tired of paying rent of 200k for a bedroom flat, experiencing black outs & abject poverty while Nigeria subsidizes petrol which is used only by the rich. The money should be used to fix out roads, refineries, electricity, housing etc. which will in turn create jobs. We will endure buying petrol at 150 like other countries do, until our refineries are working, refining Petrol, kerosine & others, and then it is subsidized for far less than the N65 some idiots are fighting for. Wake up naija, this is the best move by fg for 20years coming. GEJ carry go,

Look who is talking, since the days of OBJ, NDDC has received nearly over N1tn, what has that translated to in the ND? During the general elections, I vote in one of the NDDC school built barely six months ago, and lo an behold, it was declared structurally deficient. Dude, even if the FG is given $1tn for development, with the level of corruption in the land, you will still pay for rent at N350k, and remain without electricity!

I hope the ND will not also join the NLC/TUC strike next week  

dmainboss:
Sorry You dont know what you are talking about. Niger Delta is under going the biggest transformation in the whole Nigeria right now. Both in terms of infrastruture and human capacity development. Do you know what is going on in akwa ibom and rivers? and the River Niger dredging project? you have no clue. By the tme GEJ is true, half the port activities in Lagos will be moved to ND. You certainly dont know whats coming

I would not debate you here, 'cos this is not the appropriate thread. I know what I am talking about. The SE are more realistic with themselves than us ND. You mention Rivers and Akwa-Ibom, funny enough, the political instability in both states means it is unlikely that the tempo you talked about will live on. A case example is Cross-River state. Remember Donald duke and His visionary leadership? What has happened to Cross-Rivers under the present governor?

Let me leave it at that, I have the figures and facts of Akwa-Ibom like the back of psalms, and sorry, it's Economic hemorrhage more than anything else!

maclatunji:
NLC wants to go to court over the legality of the Justice Kolade whatamacallit. TUC so far have said they will not negotiate with the government on this issue. You have to realise that organising people without State resources is very difficult.

Labour and Civil Society have to be strategic in their plans  to achieve any tangible results. I read they have declared Jan 11 as the date the nationwide strike will commence. I suspect that the script of this 'movie' would have changed before then.

It is now confirmed, strike date is 11th of January 2011. 7days to stack up your barns! Oh, FG is now begging Labour not to go on strike?, such a COWARD He is GEJ,

debrief08:
checked online couldnt get info, but the handbook is sold  in trafffic stops everywhere

I thought NLC/TUC were already in several unresolved trade dispute with FG and that leaves then with an auto strike button? Yep 'm I fully in the known that One week's notice is required, given the nature of the deceit of the FG, 'm left asking, shouldn't NLC/TUC response be spontenuous

Demdem:
The mods have done well by explaining their positions and i am ok with it. Nairaland isnt for any party alone but for all parties. Just like seun is for the retardeen, his mods arent for him. am ok with that.

I just have one request. let this place, especially politics section be free for all and dont let us be posting with the fear that one will be banned for saying it as it is. if this is done, that thing called dmainboss wont be coming here constantly peddling lies.

@ part in bold, I think it is fair to say NL, compared to some other fora especially in UK by allowing seemingly divergent views and to a very large extent NL it is very tolerant of the use of word and language.

LeoMax:
No ! They are not compromised. They know subsidy removal is long overdue. Stop this bullshit question.

Maybe my post was a little bit early on arrival, but hey, haven't you heard? Strike to commence on the 11th of January 2012, so much for your agreement, ight

LeoMax:
@Beaf

Thanks for the thread. Niger Delta people are supra intelligent. We Niger Deltans feed all Nigerian States. They are our beggars, they can keep protesting to get free lunch from our stable of petroleum pot of soup. Cowards and bunch of persona non grata

Simply put: COWARDICE, supra intelligent, feeding all Nigerian States,  yet the other day Northern transporters went on strike, there was barely any red tomatoes to buy in Warri, so much of you feed all Nigerian States.

Listen, 'm Niger Deltan myself, and we are ALL deceiving ourselves in that region with the exception of Edo State. If you do not know it, ND stand to suffer most from this policy than any other region! GEJ might be there for the next 3years at best, but does it bother you that ALL the projects GEJ is 'attempting' to do in the ND will take nothing less than 4years to complete; meaning the next president, if S/He plays same ethnic card (as the SS/SE are doing currently), will leave the projects abandoned!

Think One Nigeria, Think about your less privilaged neighbour

AjanleKoko:
A good way to beat this is to stop flying BA, and fly Arik, poor customer service and all.
We need to support our own, period. If we don't like Arik's customer service, we can engage them constructively. Sometimes sef, we the educated elite of Nigeria can be real nit-pickers. A very senior Oyinbo in my office (American) told he he flies Arik to New York regularly, and enjoys himself very well. Mind you, he didn't fly First, he flew business, and once flew economy.

My London-Nigeria-London journey lately was on Arik. I tell you the picture is not as bad as people paint it here on NL or other websites. Locally they may have very serious issues with Customer service, but much of the staff on their International desk were more welcoming than BA staff. The journey to and from Nigeria was far better than I had imagined with the exception of the In flight entertainment for the aircraft was turned off. Again, that also happens on BA flights, so it really is not big deal.

Food wise, the meals were okay, vast improvement when I first flew Arik from London to Lagos. So yea you are right, if we continue to patronize the likes of BA, the likes of Arik would never truly 'grow up' and we truly need to support them! I was also keen to observe that 60% of the Air crew on the Arik air flight were Nigerians.

^^^ I understand how you feel about it, I myself have seen quite a number of such more recently, and I have also read your responses or that of the other moderators.

Least I would also mention that quite a number are appreciative of what you guys are doing as moderators, especially in the 'Politics' section where tribalist almost send the section into Political Oblivion in 2011.

karl max:
Occupynigeria where are Ʊ people occupying today?

If Ʊ can't afford petrol for your car go and buy bicycle

Will you also use bicycle to power your shops? Will you also use bicycle to power your house?, or will riding a bicycle bring down the astronomical prices of good and services that have now enveloped the Nigerian nation? Has it dawn on you that even Kerosine and disel have also gone up?

Oh by the way, your post is off topic,

debrief08:
The Law requires u give a weeks notice after negotiations have failed

I like to learn alot, 'm always humble to, please any reference documents? I mean most recent Labour Act as amended by the NASS?

gregg2:
Removal of subsidy is one of the best things to happen to this country.

We have had this debate already, and the Nigerian Masses disagree, hence the reason there is spotenous protest in much larger part of Nigeria!

Jarus:
You cannot say because the popular sentiments is against GEJ, then the few pro-GEJ threads should not have their own fair share of homepage too. All sides must be heard, the pro-subsidy, the anti-subsidy. We are an unbiased empire(even if we have our personal opinions). Maybe you guys expect Nairaland to fully endorse a side. No, we wont do that. Any topic from any side that we feel is captivating enough for the front page will make it. You pro-subsidy, anti-GEJ people are accusing govt of suppressing you yet you are also clamouring for suppression of some views here. Yes, denying the anti-subsidy, pro-GEJ their say is also suppression.

Let everybody talk, intelligence will reign.

No body is expecting you to take side, rather what I did point out is, when you 'mechanically' attempt to try to appear as though you want to balance the post and when you have several post that are anti-GEJs with several pages running already and they do not make front page, and two or three posts that are pro-GEJ with barely three replies making the front page, you leave people with the impression many have today.

I think what you may or may not have picked out from this is people questioning the rational used by moderators in deciding which post are worth debating and which aren't. Going by your previous post;

I am unclear how you come to the conclusion that a topic is worth debatable when in my opinion in some cases after several hours of the post coming on board it has barely Garner up to 5 replies!

JARUS, I guess it is worth noting that several people like myself who are neither pro-GEJ nor Anti-GEJ rather pro-Nigeria have in the past pointed these anomalies out. Maybe it not yet obvious that Nairaland is here because of the people that come in here to air their views, so maybe these people deserved to listened to and 'Educated' if need be, rather than putting a rash response across to them. As for me,  I barely careless what goes on the front page, If I may add another twist to the whole talk,  several other sections with very interesting and informative discussion going on barely have their post make the front page,  I can give lots and lots of examples,  but let just leave it at that.

Oh need I add also, there are post that not necessarily requires debating, as they maybe informative post to pass across an information or to enlighten some people.
Ciao,  I need some toast before, protest already underway, 

chuksikem:
shut up that gutter you call a mouth, rubbish, what do you know about protest??who is a pdp goon, i just pity the gullible fools that listen to peeps like you, you are so far gone,

During the IBB and Sani Abacha days,  we had unscrupulouselements like you who did everything to discourage the fight for good governance but we never gave in even in the face of staggering opposition. Even better this time, Nigerians home and abroad are far wiser! I feel sorry for your type 'cos you are a lone wolf!, History never honour COWARDS like you, rather History remember and honours men of vigour who rose to the challenge of the day to confront injustice, corruption, and dictatorial rulership!

Need I remind you? Protest slated for Nigeria High Commission, London, on the 6th of January 2012 by 1pm. See you there!

Eaxctly, 11th of January my foot! Why wait till that long Can anyone tell me if there is any law that says you must give FG certain number of days before you engage her in civil unrest and protests?,

I fear for this NLC and TUC oh!

Talk is cheap, a maga that has been settled with oil contracts is here blowing trash He should go and sit down somewhere and fist on his bloody loots. In civilized clime Asari would be cooling off in some jail wearing an Orange clothing

If we are to behonest with ourselves, Seun, aka superMOD and the other MODs should admit there is a level of baise in the way some 'post' are elevated to front page status.

This will be expected as the SuperMOD and other 'minor' MODs (duno super, minor, God help humanity!) are humans and there is bound to be an element of baise in the kind of work they do. But here again, I have also noticed that during the periods GEJ appears to be having a rough time, any pro-GEJ post featuring what the GEJ says He will do is quickly flashed on the front page!

Let me not assume anything but going by the events of the last General Elections, SEUN we know PDP, JARUS is CPC and OMA4J, dunno, He could belong to one of those parties proscribed by JEGA'S INEC , so I guess that brings a fair balance but again, in Nigeria is there anything like fair anymore?

If I may add, JARUS, your response to this post I feel was, 'duno'. OMA4J's response did give some clarity to others who weren't aware of how forumes like NL function with posts.

efisher:
Do you expect them to admit it? If they do, they'll lose public confidence.
Why have they not taken any decisive step as you have noted also?

Much like it, beyond the issue of subsidy removal, should the NLC and TUC loose their credibility, then we have a great great challenge on our hands. The case of Airtel staff layed off last year comes to mind!