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chidexy: Oga Omo_Tier1, the highlighted refer: I have asked myself that question severally, and yet to find a reasonable answer. I assume that the FG directive that the Lagos State Govt halt further roll out of the CCTV cameras should have come with the relevant reasons (supported by law of course), strong enough to have made the state govt to stop. Methinks that the State agencies should have liaised with the FG to address some of their concerns.

At the end of the day, CCTV may not really be the solution to our security challenges (might help) since we do not have a database of our citizens

It will be fool hardy for anyone to think cctv will be the solution to our security challenge! Absolutely not, that is why side by side rapid development and provision of basic amenities as well as jobs, the LASG is embarking on securing the prosperity of the people by investing in cctvs which will help the security agencies in their tour of duty.

When the police are given such tool to work with, and citizens help by reporting crime promptly, the rate of crime prevention would improve and more people will think twice before engaging in crime.

I reiterate, the cctv in themselves would not solve crime but, they will enhance the quality of operations of the security agencies and help them to further enhance the safety of the citizens.

Sincere 9gerian: This report and the responses of ACN foot solders so far is shocking. When will these confused ACN e-warriors and their masters stop speaking from both sides of the mouth?

Precisely on the 9th of March 2013, a Nlander created a thread titled "Have Anyone Noticed The City Wide CCTV Cameras In Lagos??" https://www.nairaland.com/1220415/anyone-noticed-city-wide-cctv

The opening statement on that thread was:

"I have noticed that lagos is getting it right in terms of security.....i have been driving around lagos and noticed the numerous cctv cameras positioned at almost every major road and corners in lagos and being monitored online real time from the network operating centers....giving the security operatives a good hold on thecity.....any robbery or crime that takes place in the city will be contained in mins.

No wonder the recent bank robbery on thursday at zenithbank abule egba was foiled inmins and the whole eight robbers fully armed arrested"- billante ( m ): 8:47pm

On that same thread, the ACN e-warriors led by @Omo_Tier1..,Kuroji..,seanet01...,et al laboured tirelessly to prove to us how Fashola installed 10,000 CCTV cameras in Lagos and how we should bow down and worship Fashola.

That was 9th of March 2013. Now fast forward to today. The same ACN e-cockroaches are on this thread telling us how FG stopped Fashola from installing 10,000 CCTV cameras in Lagos. Ladies and gentlemen, this is another instance of clear double speak from a confused set of people. Which do we believe now?

Assuming today's report is true, if the state govt knew the FG had the powers (legally) to stop it from executing the project, why didn't it get the needed clearance or collaboration before going public with project?

Why is the ACN state governors always having this competition mentality with the FG? Why play politics with everything? Why always ACN controlled states? The same Good governance tour that was rejected by ACN controlled states has been to APGA and CPC controlled states and are presently in Zamfara state, an ANPP controlled state. Why always ACN states? The governor of Akwa- Ibom, Rivers and many other opposition controlled states in the north have tarred several federal roads without MEDIA NOISE. Why is that of ACN controlled states always associated with squabbles and MEDIA NOISE?

My impression is that ACN governors have competition mentality with regards to their relationship with FG. That is wrong. These are two different tiers of govt with clearly defined responsibilities that should collaborate to deliver services to the people

When will you for once use your senses rightly? The very article you posted talked about Fashola's procurement and planned installation of the reminder of these cctvs, and you bogusly lay claim that GEJ was responsible for the cctv which was a Blatant lie!

You are not ashamed to mention the fraudulent GGT? What has changed in the quality of life of Nigerians since Maku and His criminal fellow embarked on this nonsensical tour? What new information have we learnt about Nigeria that we did not already? What development projects by the state government that wasn't in the glare of the people that GGT has brought to fore?

Get some senses and advice your weakling GEJ to do what is right by collapsing His bogus and copycat cctv project into that of Lagos State government and speedily release funds for completion. Lagos is not Bayelsa where creek gods reign sway over the citizens, we do business with the world in day light and we want to protect these partners in development by ensuring their safety anytime they visit Lagos. Okay.

chidexy: @Omo_Tier1, I have no problems with your submission and my argument is not on the merit or otherwise of installing CCTV Cameras to help in checkmating criminals. What I don't understand is the lame argument given in the original article as published by the Punch Newspapers on why the FG is ostensibly against the state government carrying on with the project with its own funds. hence my question on the rights of the state government to install CCTV cameras. Is it the exclusive reserve of the FG (according to our existing laws)? If it's not, then the reasons given by the LaSG are lame, to say the least

Maybe you should ask yourself why did the FG ask LASG in the first instance to put a hold on their cctv project? Would it not have been wise for the FG to set up an implementation cross government committee within the relevant ministry to work with the state government to harmonise both projects and ensure it is completed to scope? As for exclusive right of the FG to install cctv, I am not entirely sure if this is the case, however, the special status of Lagos could mean there is a statue that give FG this right, I need to research this further myself. However, like I said, no Nigerian cases which government or party keeps them safe, so long as they are safe, any idea or project that would enhance this safety needs the support and effectiveness of all involved to bring the project to fruition.

I am sure if the LASG had the power enshrined in law to proceed with the installation of the cctv, that would have long been done.

chidexy: The excuse(s) given by the Lagos State Govt is/are lame. Is the installation of CCTV cameras the exclusive reserve of the FG? The few CCTV already installed (as claimed by Eko Atlantic and Omo Tier and are being monitored at the security command center) had no objections from the FG, so why the statewide coverage?

LaSG should be more forthcoming. However, CCTV cameras should not be installed without first enacting an enabling law to protect the privacy of Nigerians.

Why not educate yourself a little and realise much of those ground work have been done and the extant of the relevant laws today is sufficient, though as a society that yarns for improvement, refinements will be required.

The already installed cctv was a pilot project. The plan was to roll out in full once the pilot demonstration has highlighted areas of improvement or a redefining of the scope of the project. The FG's non cooperative attitude is getting this project completed as planned is unacceptable. The average Nigerian does not care whether it is ACN, CPC, PDP, ANPP that keeps them safe, all they want is to be protected by the government by keeping the bad guys away from the streets and any tier of government that come up with ideas to make this happen should be encouraged. After all, in Edo State, the government there have supported the neighbourhood community policing initiated by LG councils in collaboration with the NPF and some places in Benin today are safe because of this laudable initiative.

Common sense would dictate to you that the state governments are best at leading from the front on projects like these at they know the land better than the FG.Hence, FG should be collaborating with LASG to ensure speedy completion of this project. .

Acidosis: Where is that? Is that the cctv control room?









Its funny, how guys in desperate need of a developed 'Nigeria' do not even see themselves as 'Nigerians'. Its more than this cctv thing. How can a government rule succesfully when some people desperately need division?

Even here in the UK, there is division, squabble and political grandstanding on all sides. That is part of the human nature, however what is pertinent here is in all of the squabble, the value placed on protection and safeguard of the human is high and the government at the centre sees it as their do or die battle to ensure the safety of her people is guaranteed.

Acidosis: Its not just about the 'material cctv' but the idea...
haba!

You are not making sense! Any developed city today uses a multi complex approach to security and cctv has been proven to help in crime prevention, investigation and resolution in some of the worlds best cities. If the idea works elsewhere, why can't we copy such, refine it and make it work for us too? It is foolhardy to try and reinvent the wheel... No matter how hard you try, the clock would always tick rightly all the way around from right to left... You ain't changing that today..get the saying

Acidosis: I know you guys are desperately in need of a 'country' to be called LAGOS

No matter how hard you try, you'll remain in Nigeria.. rulled by the F.G, controlled by the F.G and treated like any other Nigerian state.. You can't change that; you can't beat that.

Just because your tribe, your person, your brother is not on seat doesn't mean you can do whatever...

That reminds me, I hope your governor have settled scores with the Nigerian army? I learnt he wanted to fight them the last time The PRESIDENT of THE FEDERAL REPUBLIC GCFR gave the army an order to control the hooligans on the streets??

There is room and a bed space for you at YABA LEFT...You will get a VIP treatment okay..

Acidosis: This is what we get when people import cctv from UK, train & rail way from China, security ideas from U.S, rule of government from U.K, all to be managed by unskilled Nigerian personnel.

We are waiting for the end product.

What are you on about? Is it the criminal vigilantes that dot the landscape of Nigeria that are now more experienced in the use of cctv? I have just explained to you that it is not necessarily the NPF that would be operating these cctv, rather they would need their output to help them police the state. What has this got to do with importation of cctv?

Maxymilliano: But reacting the general manager of the Federal Airport Authority of Nigeria Mr Mohammed Datti, said the delay was due to non- documentation of the governor’s pilot with the control tower.

He explained that usually before a pilot lands, it is recorded by the control tower, and will only be certified by same for take-off.

He said contrary to speculations the delay had nothing to do with politics, but it was done in the interest of the governor’s safety.

http://www.channelstv.com/home/2013/04/26/nama-grounds-amaechis-plane-in-akure/

Did sambo's wife also declare her manifest? When did ATC realise that no manifest was declared by the pilot? Can FAAN release the radio conversation between the pilot and ATC before He even started the engines of this aircraft? I do not believe in its entirety the versions of NAMA and FAAN, I await together further details from insiders.

[quote author=the_ripper3]Is the FG stopping dem from fixing most of the bad roads in the state, at least the state roads.? Is there a work station for this CCTV camera. Everytin about ACN led lagos is always a we against them mentality. They should stop dis antagonistic mindset, it is unhealthy. Criticize wen need be but their goons on Nairaland and their party should know that Lagos State is a subset of Nigeria.[/quote]Will you stop displaying your ignorance and do some research? Has Lagos not completed a security command and control centre that is already functional with the trial cctv already installed in some places? We're you not on NL when a couple of months ago the Lagos State police command was able to foil a major robbery attack on a bank with the aid of some of these cctvs?

GeneralJ: I guess Jonathan is just too baffled and amazed by the Development in Lagos, and does not want to let Fash's Administration to be more ahead of him, in terms of actual development...so you see, the people that are blaming

On the contrary, I think the president has bad advisers that are not giving Him the right advice, hence He is unable to make the correct decisions because these advisers see Him, GEJ as a weakling.

I am not fully convinced GEJ is to be blamed on this cctv project, but rather, the FG. The minister of interior should be briefing the President and advising Him rightly on subject like this and He should be at the fore front making sure such a project is completed speedily giving the economic havoc insecurity has wrecked on the nationhood in the past 4years.

Acidosis: You people just open your mouth and insult F.G.
Who will manage the cctv? is it not the same "incompetent" Nigerian Police Force in Lagos? Who employed the NPF? Fashola??
Can Fashola employ all the F.G workers in Lagos? What is a state without the F.G?
If the F.G withdraw/sack all F.G staff in Lagos, don't you think you and your Fashola are doomed??


The refusal of you and your Fashola to remain loyal will cost you guys so many things. You are not the only ACN state... Edo state governor is also working but we never hear bad stories and complains from Oshiomole..

You guys need to ask yourselves, "what is wrong with us?"
Did F.G complained when he banned okada?
cctv has to do with security! Peoples lives are NOT safe if that thing is not managed effectively! Don't be a dummy! you think Nigeria and Nigerians is Fashola's property?? you must be a dreamer!

I am sorry to say your post reflect the sorry state of an ignorant individual. This is an issue deserving serious attention from the government in the land and to think that the FG would engage the LASG government in a childish fight over superiority says a lot. If the FG was serious about getting the project implemented, surely, the right thing to do is to direct the affected ministry to collaborate with the state government rather than embarking on a separate project of her own.

Lagos already has a COMMAND and CONTROL station for her cctv project and all that is required to have these cameras in place and a special unit set up in the security agency that would be responsible for these cctv. Here in the UK, the police are not responsible for the cctvs but they have unlimited access to them in carrying out their policing operations.

Dede1: Point of correction!!! Chibuike Amaechi does not own a Jet Plane. The aforementioned plane belonged to Rivers State government. In addition, NAMA is not GEJ. If River State has problem or issue with NAMA over the status of the plane, it has to take it up with minister of aviation.

Why is it now that NAMA realizes that there is a score to settle with the Rivers State government Na today yansh dey back? ..Abeg park well joorr... shooo

[quote author=Bob_E]Does he care about the people?, it only the people who care about him, for what reasons I don’t care to know from now on.[/quote]I have told you severally, no amount of campaign of calumny against the person of Oshiomhole will ever make EDOS vote in PDP. You had better change leaf and begin to think progressive. The days of 30% to the Godfathers and 20% to the touts are gone as far as Edo State is concerned.

If you had any wisdom, you would have realized that EDSIEC is an independent commission under the watchful eyes of the legislator and the executive, therefore it will be foolhardy for Oshiomhole to give directives to such a commission.

Need I remind you during the days of your PDP led government, voters neither saw electoral materials talkless casting their ballots, but today, significant progress has been made in that people have faith in the electoral process and are prepared to vote peacefully without any intimidation.

Keep deceiving yourself.... A people living in a fool's paradise...

Billyonaire: Sahara Reporters is a owned by a Pessimist Diasporan Nigerian, who sees nothing good in his country, but has no capacity to mix up with the whites, his true masters. He finds any bad news from Nigeria and blows it out of proportion. Today, they are calling Seriake Dickson a houseboy. Is this Journalism ? Or Just finding ways to keep destroying the image of the country and countrymen he so hates, yet he is not able to totally alienate himself from his black skin. I hardly see an American resident in a foreign country, setting up website to smear the image of his country and countrymen, But Sowore is a Hero to the Pessimists, who see nothing good about the colour of their skin. When they look themselves in the mirror, they see a white man's slave. It happens that the foreign media quotes from the unproven sources when they want to pour negative campaigns against Nigeria. Sowore and Sahara Reporters are Iscariots!

Look at this yahoo yahoo meadow... Is Seriake not an Aso Rock house boy What project meaningful to the average Bayelsan has He carried out since becoming the governor of that state?

Billyonaire: Not every thread deserve a response, this is one of such threads. Hahahahahaahah

Mr BB that chat on Nairaland while He is being driven around by His driver Mr yahoo yahoo....

This is how you know a leadership has failed when it sees itself as the only solution to a challenge pressing beyond her time. Come 2015, GEJ will be swept aside, some of the militants will be sent home early, Nigeria will remain peaceful and Clark will be history and Niger Deltan will witness true development!

Many of them shouting GEJ must rule in 2015 already sworn their life in a cult somewhere and are busy causing trouble cos they know they won't be around by 2015 anyway. Nigeria is bigger than any individual, and no region can hold the country to ransoms. My fellow beothers in Niger Delta must hear this and take heed.

Rossikk: Swear that this wasn't over ten years ago.

That's a direct challenge.

I've told you to drop your old views on the Naija you left behind in the 90s. Naija has changed. Armed robbery has decreased compared to what it used to be back in your days. You really need to get with the program. When we're travelling now we hardly even think about robbers.

Why should I swear? Cntrary to your claim, however the event I narrated happened in 2011 November! The reality is, you cannot pretend all along that Nigeria is okay and peaceful, it will only be matter of time for things to unravel themselves. Rather we as a nation tell ourselves the truth and sort it all out. After all, it was no foreigner who turned the once peaceful and loving country on its head. We as a people did and we must turn lead and seek to do right. Pretence will take us no where!

yeboyes: I commend your optimistic look on Nigeria even though i realize that there are real security challenges in the country.

Dude, we are all optimistic and committed to Nigeria, else many of us would have put our investment elsewhere. The truth is, things are not good and there is no visible sign that We are changing things for the better. We keep deceiving ourselves by not being honest and addressing our short fall squarely. Let call a spade a spade. We have serious security challenge, coupled with very high poverty that requires urgent redress by the leadership in the land to forestall the human catastrophe that would greet the nationhood soonest.

Some of us do our very best to promote Nigeria, but Nigeria does very little to promote herself

Rossikk: There's an old saying that when you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.

Why don't you stop embarrassing yourself?

Perhaps this statement clearly describe your woeful attempt to promote another phantom mega investment. Need anyone remind you how you have severally touted similar investment in the past and when reminded, like some living in f.ool's paradise and intoxicated with mediocrity, you resort to colonial master blah blah. Dude get it in your brain, Nigeria does not need these phantom project! Need I remind you for all the millions spend by FG to promote investment in Nigeria, We in the diaspora topped FG's returns on FDI last year by factor of 3.5 and more.

I ask you again, how much is Nigeria's total budget for the whole year 2013? Does it occur to you that almost 1/3 of that is what Nigerians in the diaspora sent home in 2012? Huh.. shouldn't any sane government be in position to boost her economy further with such free money

Rossikk: ^^ Absolutely. The roads are filled with thousands of cars at all hours of the night and day. You wouldn't know this because you're in London.

Sorry, even though I live in the UK, as you may well have noticed I travel alot and Nigeria is one place I visit alot so I know first hand what it is like.

The fact is I can leave my house at 8pm tonight and drive all the way to Wales, or even Edinburgh and I would arrive there feeling safe and enjoying my gospel music all through the night with my heart feeling at home with me.

I remember traveling from Lagos at 7pm to Benin City and I got there at 2am due to traffic and only missed being attacked by thieves by a whisker and the reminder of the drive was on top speed! Even getting to stop at major eatery where those caoches from the East usual stop was a HUGE risk.

Lets stop kidding ourselves, Nigeria is only safe to those who have the means to protect themselves or have little of no value to loose if attacked.

Can you drive from Abia to Abuja leaving Abia by 7pm to try and catch a meeting in Abuja by 12noon the next day without having 3 escorts who are armed with near war zone weapons escorting you

Sincere 9gerian: I've been buying one of the locally produced rice, precisely Ebony rice in the spirit of BUY 9JA. But one funny thing I discovered is that the phone number on the rice bag is wrong number. I'v seen the advert of Ebony rice on the local tv stations here in Enugu but I'm still surprised at the wrong number issue. I thought maybe the company is being imitated.

Another funny thing about Ebony rice is that as soon as the price of imported rice increased due to the newly increased import tarrif, the price of Ebony also followed suit. I thought the locally produced rice would have maintained a relatively lower price to attract more demand. Maybe those who know more about Ebony rice can clarify some of these issues

Will you shut up and stop complaining? Oh, have they also decimated your "cursed" drippings from the Presidency ...Enjoy your fresh Air jor....

Sincere 9gerian: We need Children Section. If we had one, the moderators would have moved this thread there.

Why not? Having lost relevance in your perpetual falsehood why won't you seek another terrain to continue in your trade

Rossikk: What a load of nonsense. $1.75 billion a month into the British economy is absolutele PEANUTS that will not even be noticed FOR ONE SECOND, never mind ''making a big impact on the economy''.

The UK's annual GDP is $2.4 TRILLION, and you say what..? That one billion pounds a month (12 billion a year) ''will make the British economy boom again''? Dude, why not just go join a thread that matches your intellect? It's not by force to join every debate.

I know you are a local champion, so you have no clue what a free money in the tune of $1.75billion would do to an economy if you keep pumping such an amount every month into an economy.

Let me give you an idea, the UK government in the next five years will only be spending £1bn as investment portfolio in the Aerospace sector and this is believe will create additional 100,000 jobs and it was well celebrated multi-national aerospace companies based in the UK as a very needed investment.
$21bn will build you a high speed rail that runs from Lagos to Kano, from Maiduguri to Calabar, and Airport the size of CDG in france! Now tell me, any economy that receives such FREE investment, if well managed will not become a power house in less than a decade? Mind you, on the average, yearly, Nigerians in the diaspora remit $12bn FREE investment into the Nigerian economy!

Chei... Jarus you look like a Kenyan in 1D ...

OkparaIgbo: Is it that this is another propaganda tool by the GEJ haters or that Nigerians have no clue on English comprehension or is it that the subject have become obsolete that it is no longer taught and some nigerian graduates have become this low academically.. From the information on the supposed companies website which is clearly quoted above, it says it has been contracted to [size=14pt]SUPPLY INTELLIGENCE ANALYSIS AND CYBER DEFENCE EQUIPMENTS[/size], not "Monitor Nigerians cyper space from Isreal" as purported. Why has the media turned against Nigeria's best president ever to discredit his tenure via propaganda... . Abeg GEJ Carry dey go, we the progressives and unbiased citizens have decided to keep you in Aso Rock till 2019..Let the disgrunted few do their worse..Nonsense

It is obvious that it is people like you that lack the mental capacity to understand that any software can send encrypted message that can be analyzed anywhere around the world! IF I have access to the the packet data of Nigerians by "remote sensing", with today's advancement in digital spy, I can keep an eye on Nigerians from anywhere in the world.

Billyonaire: I have flown SLOK in 3 African countries, last time was 2 months ago. But I havent flown in "SLOAK" Air

Whether SLOK AIR or SLOAK (my typo).... you are a disgruntled element and a serial liar.... Self made ipad, BB, Slate yahoo yahoo millionaire...

I am off to bed.... Thank you for your exotic stupidity and clownishness... go get some real sense bro, you are very thick for REAL

Billyonaire: You are ill-equipped to make such assertions, this is not Nigerian politics that you can always use emotion to make a statement. I say Slok is National Carrier in 4 African Countries. This is to counter your demeaning assertion that "No Nigerian Businessman can run an airline successfully". That was an insult to Nigerians both home and abroad.

Haha..name those countries please and tell me the last time you flew on this SLOAK AIR

Billyonaire: Hahahahaah Listen to him, you need to do more googling!

FYI, I have these information at my finger tips... I do not need google to retrieve these information. I can give you the names of the Airlines who are using those B737 previously owned by SLOAK AIR. Though it still claims to be in operations in the Gambia because their COA has not been revoked fully.

Dude get some sense please before I embarrass you once again...