₦airaland Forum

~Bluetooth:
I think he's necessary for him to spew out lies cuz the whole thing is about 2011 elections. . .the ibo must be painted as saints to the north that they were not the ones that killed the sultan;that he died of asthma.

Do you  read up at all before you post? 
Do you just rush in and type trash?

The man Mathew Mbu in NOT IGBO.    His tribesmen did not participate in the coup.

So how do you explain that?

Good paper Bro Richy.

I'm eying this book:

A.G Leonard, The Lower Niger and Its tribes (London 1906)

To a lesser extent:

A.E. Afigbo, "Igboland Before 1800" in Obaro Ikime (ed), Groundwork for Nigerian history (Ibadan:Heinemann, 1980)


Anything older is better.

Ivynwa:
@Onlytruth
Ewoo nnukwu Nnamochie, ikpere mu du n' ana na ekene. Kee ka unu melu? Ndi nnamochie m, obi anatoka m mgbe owuna m furu unu. Ngwanu eghi emewuolu ayi akowa ofuma. Amaghodurim na inori ebea, m wee na ekwu.  How is my Nnewi Igbo speaking, I hope I spoke it nice and correct?

Nne I score you 1000%. Kpom kwem!

No shaking. Those words got to me.
Sorry my southern Igbo bros. Onlytruth had to unwind a little. 

Ngwanu eghi emewuolu !

Ivynwa:
Ezeuche the Warrior! It's now I understand that militarised side of you, it sure runs in your family dear. Ehn I forgot to tell you make you no vex for Ikemba and ask that he be impeached. Nnewi people na my mother people o meaning that Ikemba na somehow my Nnamochie. Abeg Nnanyi ukwu Ebubedike Ezeuche make you no ask for that impeachment again okay Baby. Your people can go and discuss with Nnewi and una fit do power sharing sef-----smile.
Anyway sha Nnewi people are one hardworking set of people I admire endlessly (Ivynwa whispering in low voice) though they have their weaknesses too. Don't say I told you make my ndi Nnemochie and Nnamochie no disown me o-o-o

I never knew you are my "nwadi ana". Well, you know that I'm watching you more closely now. 

Anyone who wants to topple the great lion of Igboland must grow the paws and teeth first.

French model of parliamentary system is good. We can rotate the president every year or two, while the prime minister will be elected. The president will be the commander in chief of the armed forces.

experience:
PM of a nation or the union Biafra?

Union of Biafra sounds good though it sounds eerily like Soviet Union.

United Biafra seems a better name.

or simply republic of Biafra.

Katsumoto:
Of course you spotted it; you were so ecstatic about Mbu's pathetic exoneration of Ifeajuna that it didn't register. 

Frankly I don't think Mbu was exonerating Ifeajuna. He only wanted to put the records straight as to the motive of the coup planners. No one says they didn't kill the prime minister. By omission or commission they did.

That motive will remain a subject of contention maybe till Nigeria disintegrates, or till your folks muster the courage to say the truth.

asha 80:
Nigeria recycled again.


Personally i am not inclined to having other ethnic groups in a nation we want to build unless they say that they want to part of it not us forcing and believing that they will want to belong.

Seconded as always. Why I'm even considering other tribes is because I've come across some of them that want to form a nation with Igbo, and I mean even up to Edo state. It will be contrary to the Igbo spirit to turn anyone away.
Those who don't want to join are VERY MUCH encouraged to stay away.

I know that Igbo will not object to having multiple African official languages eg, Igbo, Ibibio/Annang/Ekoi, Ijaw/Kalabari/Okrika, Ogoni. I've only identified 5 broad languages.
Like I said before SA has 11 official languages.

Dede1:
This article lost the flavor of truthfulness when the author included the bolded section as part of this conjectural crap. The fact was Prime Minister Tafawa Balewa was never Commander-in-Chief of Nigerian armed forces.

I thought I was the only that spotted that.

chyz:
It shortly started thinking about the inclusion of other tribes smh. Anyways in that case the parliamentary system will allow each territory to promote its dialects which will stop them from dying off. And by the way i believe there are countries with multiple official languages.

South Africa has 11 official languages but remains one of the most progressive and stable African countries. Go figure.

Ileke-IdI:
If it's your trouble I find, I'm not complaining

You know I'm cool with you. It's others' troubles. We've already chased away two Igbo ladies before you showed up. Women don't discuss land matters in my part of Igboland. We are not sexist, but Igboman hates distractions when he is fighting for land.

So, let the spirit define what the nation does. If it is an Igbo only country, we can use Igbo. If not we can still keep English.

experience:
Do we have this ideals as Ndigbo first or do we need more 'breakdown' to achieve this nationhood/clan-hood?

The Biafran model was good enough, except that the war was not planned well. I still believe that if the war was planned and managed well, we would have succeeded. Biafra's only failure was military.
The minorities that sabotaged it did so for survival. If they knew that Biafra could win, they would not have sabotaged it.

Biafra has a "spirit". Nationhood is about spirit. All successful nations have it. Unsuccessful ones don't.

If the spirit is there, all problems can be tackled and resolved.

Nigeria's major problem is the lack of common spirit.

That is why you have MASSOB operatives from all parts of eastern Nigeria believing the same thing and pushing for it.

Ileke-IdI:

You dey find trouble here o! No say I no warn you. 

For the record, you would be wrong to think that the EzeUches of Igboland are cowards. They are the type that volunteered first to fight for Biafra during the civil war, unfortunately, they were not managed well.

Shaka Zulu said that the best soldiers are volunteers.

If managed well, they can fight for ever. 

asha 80:
Whether you have a brain is a non issue here.The thing is why did he say it.Well you say he is lying which might be true since some accounts of what happened then contradicts it but how do you know that the accounts you have that contradicts those are true?Where you alive then?

Saying he is lying here does not cut it for me because for someone to lie one has to have a reason.You do not just wake up to lie about anything let alone something like this unless there is a reason.The issue here to me here what is the reason?

[b]The fact that he is no longer relevant [/b]is even the more reason to ask why would he say ssuch now?

By the way what word u wan hear  

As uncomfortable as this makes me feel, I suspect that Mbu is saying these things now because he is no longer relevant in the scheme of things. He has nothing to gain anymore, so he wants to make peace with God when he dies. How he could live with something so big for 44 years beats me. 

Katsumoto:
I guess that's why some folks thought it was safe to post lies. As long as I have the time, I will puncture all historical lies.  

Your "lies" may be my truth. You see why there can never be a southern unity? Please help educate your folks like mens_dept.

We've been there and done that. It only bred "lies" and suspicion.

For the record I believe that Mbu is speaking the truth. Not that anyone cares.

I don't know what created the creator, but I know for sure the creator exists.

I've had a personal encounter to prove that.

Whether you believe it or not is immaterial.

Damn! I step out to pee and this thread explodes!

And folks that have been AWOL for months like Katsumoto crawls out of the woodwork!    

ezeagu:
How can you split Agbor, which is heavily Edo, from Edo, but yet you cannot split Okrika from Igbo. Whatever Agbor shares with the Edo is what the Okrika share with the Igbo. There is a boundary around Okrika and it can easily be grouped with the Ijaw just like Agbor can be grouped with the Igbo. As for characteristics, Ika has many Edo words, their culture has a lot of Edo influence like their kingship, many of them cannot be differentiated from Edo people in looks and they share characteristics with the Edo as well.

I don't know exactly what your point is here, though I suspect you are against some Eastern arrangement.

Like I've said before, the British kept accurate records of how the Eastern region was before colonization. For instance, that is part of why we had Eastern region, while even the western Igbos were grouped into western Nigeria. It does not mean that they are not Igbo. It simply means that they were in "stable" relationship with the Edo and other tribes in midwest. The same applied to all the tribes in the east before oil became a major issue.
That is why you don't see Delta and Edo Igbos arguing over land and border issues with the Edo.

Notice that the issue of land has been with the Ijaw most of the time. Someone noted that earlier. If the Ijaw are at stable relationships with other tribes, there will not be this topic to discuss. They went out of their way to undermine Igbo-led causes from Adaka Boro to Edwin Clarke. That is why we are having this conversation.

Of course the future Biafra could very well include all tribes up to Edo state proper! I don't see why not.
So, let's get that part straight.

The main issue here is that Igbo will not have a landlocked country (contrary to your claims) if ever they go alone. The history of the lands in question and current settlement pattern makes a strong case for that.

mens dept:
And what is this for? Hope we haven't forgotten that those who fought in the war (IBB) to conquer the ENTIRE south are planning on coming back to power in months.

Fine, no problem, but at least when can unity begin for those in the south, even if its to produce a southerner like Fashola or Amaechi as Prez?

This is where I always have a problem with you Yoruba folks. Who told you that there will ever be a "southern unity"?

For as long as you keep denying the intentions of the coup plotters, there will NEVER be a southern unity. You guys are incorrigible. 

If IBB is promising something good to ndigbo, we WILL vote for him. 

If ever there will be different internationally recognized political entities emerging from Eastern Nigeria, there is a high likelihood of conflict. However, fortunately, our history and cultural "sameness" has reduced that (conflict) chance considerably.

We will not face a situation similar to what the Israelis and Syrians faced sometime ago during opening stages of one of the failed middle east peace conference.
In that conference, some Israeli ultra-right religious parties came to the conference with a map of "Yisrael" which covered much of Syria, Palestine and Jordan. The Syrians came with their own map which covered all of Lebanon and Israel and Jordan. So president Reagan told everyone to leave their maps at home.
Peace cannot be found in maps especially when the lands in question are too microscopic.

So back to topic. We don't have such intricacy with Eastern Nigeria. We are one religion, culture and heavy inter-marriage. 99% of our problems have been solved already.

Again, I agree with ezeagu on this point below:

ezeagu:
No one knows it yet, but the conclusion will not be made on the internet.

We are only setting the tone for that off-line conclusion. There is no way of hatching this sort of a thing out in a "smoke filled room". It must be discussed openly and all opinions heard. We don't want anyone to start having the wrong ideas which can lead to an avoidable conflict.

@Topic

Andre Uweh:
Ricky black has concluded the topic long time ago with his maps and facts. Good job from Ricky. People are now just having fun. Ka akuru asiri gaba.

But the maps and facts were disputed by some Ijaw folks here (Ibime specifically). They said that the "Eboe" referenced in the papers constituted much of the whole Eastern region from Warri to Calabar. They have a point there, that is why the discussion in continuing, and that is also why I stated that drawing clear boundaries between the Igbo and minorities of the East is tantamount to splitting of hairs. I then submitted that the whole East must share a common political destiny in order to avoid a major conflict over land and sea access.

In that context, the discussion is still continuing.

EzeUche22:
Of course you are watching me. 

Anyway learn from the young Igbo lady known as Ivynwa. That is how Igbo women raised in Alaigbo are taught.

I couldn't have said it better.

Ibime:
@ Udezue,

Ikwerre na wetin Okrika dey use play since 19th century. We have sacked them severally. Read up on it.

Y'all are softer than pampers. hehehehe.

Ibime, do you have any historical book info on this? Or is this another of your local Rivers politics?

Obiagu1:
But you need not to be begging for money else one could be enticed into doing the wrong things or depending on salaries else that source could be closed or blocked. Once ones image is tainted, it’s all over. No one will ever trust you again or listen to you.

Uwazurike's case has its negativities already about his source of income. I don't have details about this and don't want to discuss it.

Believe me, the only thing you need is to believe in your dreams and work at it even without money. If you are into it for the money, you won't go far, believe me.
Make honest money, but while at it, work on your goals for Ndigbo. Our people only respect self made people, even if they are not as rich as others. Just be honest and earn a reputation for honesty and focus, someone will find you. Igbo love honest people. Ezi aha (afa) ka ego!

Obiagu1:
That’s where I think I could come in but I need to make money, become financially satisfied and stable. That’s going to take like 10 more years 

Bros, you need to calm down. If it is your destiny to lead Ndigbo, it will find you even if you are hiding in your village.
Igbo are a special people. We don't pick our leaders based on money. We just don't.

I don't think Uwazuruike was a multimillionaire before he found MASSOB. You just need to believe and remain focused. Nobody took him seriously before. Today, I can only equate him to Ojukwu in terms of grass root popularity in Igboland. Unless if I don't have the latest information.

Obiagu1:
In a unit, there should be some leaders with your qualities that can arouse fear in anyone but there should be a more diplomatic type to put every move within check so that there won’t be excessive aggression. That diplomatic type must be strong-willed and uncompromising too but could handle his emotions and that of others to be within the agreed agenda.

I don't think we would ever lack the brawny types in Igboland; we have those in abundance. What we lack is the morally uncompromisable and focused leadership with the wisdom to move us in the right direction.

Obiagu1:
[b]I didn't say weak, I said he's soft [/b]but that said he is still a good leader, a mobilizer and I hope he is truly focussed.

Weak or soft, what is the difference? The negative connotation is the issue. If you thought being "soft" is a good thing, you wouldn't have mentioned it.

EzeUche22:
Obiagu1,

After thinking about it, I would not make a good Igbo leader. I am of the school that "shoots first, and ask questions later." I have no tact for diplomacy. So much bravado in me, might makes right philosophy through my veins, it would cause problems.

But we need Igbos like myself who are not afraid to shoot first. Someone who is willing to silence our enemies without losing sleep. This is something that I admire about the Israelis. They annihilate any threat to their existence.

I was just about to mention Israel. You see, Israel is my everlasting beloved country because they do things that ordinary folks don't understand. Israel is the strongest military power in the middle east, yet they only go to war as a last resort and they withdraw once they complete the mission. They have clear conceptualized goals for every military moves. They don't get carried away. There is time for everything under the sun, says Solomon in the bible.

Obiagu1:
@ OnlyTruth

That's why I said he blew. Folks initially listened to him, but soon found out who he is.
Uwazurike is too soft and I only see him as a peaceful freedom fighter.

@ EzeUche
Sure, but the rhetoric must be constructive and unambiguous.

Then you may see Nelson Mandela as too soft too.
Mind you if he wasn't that way, he would've been killed a long time ago.
Like I said, courage is facing your enemy bare handed. It doesn't end there though. Believe me, MASSOB is a factor in Nigeria because of Uwazuruike's strategies. That guy has done more for the Biafran cause than even Ojukwu. He is gradually putting the Biafran case where it needs to be -in the international public opinion.

Like I said, it takes certain level of wisdom to lead Ndigbo. You see him as weak, I see him as strong.
Nobody really knows Uwazuruike until he achieves the terminal stage of the Biafran actualization plan. The guy might even be more militant than any Igbo.  

The point is that we don't know. So, let's not call him weak.  

Obiagu1:
Igbos listen to anyone that talks tough. Orji Uzor almost rose to that status before he blew it.
To be an Igbo leader, one has to be uncompromising to things that are crucial to Igbo survival and progress in this country, must be strong willed, untainted, and outspoken.

Let me tell you, there are different types of courage. I don't think Orji Kalu has that type of courage to fight for Igbo. He says one thing today and goes behind to meet the enemy tomorrow to beg him. That is not what Igbo need. We need those who say what they mean.
Even Ralph Uwazuruike is a better Igbo/Biafran leader than Orji Kalu can ever be. Courage is facing your enemy bare handed. Uwazuruike has demonstrated a better focus, courage and wisdom than Orji.