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Frankly, Jonathan's smile always disarms me; I don't know why. lol.

Beaf is that you standing behind him? lol.

Tell that bomb squad guy that his feet are vulnerable to mere dog attack.

dayokanu:
But without zoning MKO Abiola defeated a Hausaman from kano in an election

Yes, but never lived to tell the story. That is the reason behind zoning.

Beaf:
A lot of politics is about personality. I am sure we will either hear from his faction tomorrow (at least a counter press release) or moves to reconcile the factions will begin. In any event, I'm sure what Ekweremadu has to say would be of major interest; lets wait to hear from him so that his reasoning can be understood, it might be unfair not to (somehow, I doubt that).

Yes, I believe the debate is going on now in Igboland. If the elections were to be held today, Jonathan will win the south east by wide margins (Ezeife said 85%). If we come to a different conclusion on zoning before the end of this year, anything can happen next year.

sbeezy8:
I cant believe this Ezeife guy is talking, does what he said make sense?

The north said zoning between north/south and ezeife/igbos say its between geopolitical zones. - They are not on the same page so how can igbo emerge in 2015, If Northerners are saying its between north and south?

2) who told Ezeife 2015? I mean that is very dangerous and unwise  lol that doesnt make sense.

3) who told Ezeife that Jonathan wont contest in 2015- If we are going by fake Zoning the SS is allowed 8 years, so what would make any sensible person think SS would cut their term short?

4) Should Jonathan win in 2011- what makes ezeife think northerners will continue zoning?

I think that Ezeife is only restating the position of south east and south south on zoning. During the last constitutional conference, the north wanted zoning to be rotating between north and south. Ndigbo wanted it to rotate along geo-political zone lines. The north muscled the "north and south" thing through, and today we are sitting on a major problem.

Nigeria would have been a far better country if Igboman's opinions on things are given serious consideration. 

Now, the fact that Igbo are even considering supporting Jonathan is because  we have always wanted rotation along geo-political zone lines. The next consensus among Ndigbo will likely be to finally agree on whether to support Jonathan, who must in turn promise to push the zoning along geopolitical zones idea, which means that on the expiration of his term (whenever that is) the position rotates to south east.

Else, Ndigbo may then support the north - south zoning which means we support a northerner next year to complete the yar adua term, before power rotates back south (to south east or south south in 2015). Ndigbo have presented a strong demand for 2015 presidency. Let's see how things play out.

Beaf:
OnlyTruth, the problem seems to be Ekweremadu. The key lies in what he wants as an individual and if it is worth the trouble.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2010/08/26/as-confusion-rages-among-ndigbo/

I don't know what he stands for really. Do you?

SEFAGO:
wow all my firends are still here: Ezeuche, dede lol so much temptation

C'mon now dude, you never left! What are you talking about?
Aigbofa, yiboboy.

Dede1:
The source of the Ghanaian sounding names of Ijo people has never been a surprise to some of us. Owuso and Ado are such names. However, most of the principal players in the era of King Amakoro (Amakiri II) adopted English names such Pepple, Green, Peterside, Manuel, George, Jack, Barid, etc as nicknames. Unfortunately, these nicknames have taken center stage in the grand scheme of denial of the ancestral lineage of these people from Okirika, Calabarie (kalabari) and Ubani (Great Bani).

One wonders what happened to the names such Ikpo, Oguigbe or Nkwerre, Omekwe, Wokoma, Igbulu, Akiala, Elebike, Obaji, Otaji(Otashi: the leave that is bitter), Nwananaku, Okwu and Osiagu. However, the weird sounding names with foreign undertone such as Owukori, Fubra, Waribo and Finnema seemed to be in vogue.

It is even funny some of people are claiming Ibani as language. The fact remains that Ibani-burufia (Ibani) was a slave in Fubra's house.

Dede,

You know these places like the back of your hand! I must say that your arguments make more sense than what the other side is saying. Through your points, I've been able to make sense of the European names like Pepple, George and so on. I'm beginning to believe that these folks actually came as slaves or partners of slave masters. The canoe "war houses" are nothing more than barges used to transport slaves to the waiting mother ship in the outer seas.
I don't have proof, but it makes simple sense.

bk.babe97y:
And I hope u survive the 18 wheeler, but, I hope it crushes your whole stomach and half your head and renders u paralyzed from the neck down!

lol. Just watch your back in Brooklyn. My curse on you will work together with other countless curses from other nairalanders. If you are lucky, you'll only be paralyzed from neck down with the bullet lodged in an inoperable corner of your brain. Shit and pee in your pants till you reach 80 years. Abandoned to die a long lonely death.

There are some interesting points in this interview.

Bottomline is that Ndigbo are in support of zoning along geo-political lines.

Anything else is fraudulent.

[size=16pt]North offered Ndigbo VP, but we rejected it, says Ezeife[/size]



By Okey Ndiribe,  Asst. Pol. Editor

Former Governor of old Anambra State, Dr. Chukwuemeka Ezeife has been involved in several of the recent meetings Igbo leaders have convened to fashion a common position on whether or not to support President Goodluck Jonathan to realise his perceived  presidential ambition in 2011. He gave a deep insight into the thinking of the Igbo political leadership and insisted that Ndigbo want the presidency in 2015.

Given the background of the recent past in which  the South-East and South-South zones  are known to have taken a common position on national issues, what could be responsible for the seeming withdrawal of support of  the Igbo for President Goodluck Jonathan’s  presidential ambition next year?

The first thing that needs to be said is that it is not possible for everybody in the South-South not to talk of the South-East to support President Jonathan as a presidential candidate for next year’s general election.

Second, if you go to the South-East  more than 85 percent of the people are in support of President Jonathan. The elites who are quarreling among themselves, have other things they are fighting for especially their selfish interests. They have been asking for all kinds of positions.

The third point is that we are not leading cattle; our people have their brains and are capable of making their own decisions. You cannot  tell the people of the South-East to follow you without reasoning and expect them to follow you; you have to convince them. What we set out to do was to get information from different groups in the country including those from the North and the South-South,  then go home and discuss with the people. That was the strategy of the Igbo Think Tank.

When we went to discuss with the Northern group, we got swept off. What is worse, some of our own people began to talk of the interest of the North instead of what we came for. Contrary to the agreement we had before going, a communique was proposed at the end of the dialogue. When I wanted to point out that our plan did not include having a communique, the person who acted as Chairman at the meeting did not allow me to talk. I don’t think that our people tell too many lies but I saw something in one of the national newspapers today (Tuesday), concerning that meeting  which indicated that nobody was disallowed from speaking. That is a total lie.

The fourth point is that so far, there is no group in the South-East  that has said it is opposed to President Jonathan’s candidacy next year. Many people are asking question as to why the Igbos should adopt him without reaching any agreement with him concerning the interest of the South-East. Even at the Igbo Political Summit which held at Enugu recently, the communique that was issued indicated that Jonathan was adopted by the zone but subject to certain conditions.

At the summit, the communique was presented in a manner that sent a clear message that it was a reaction to the so-called understanding between the South-East and the North. Finally, what the groups in the South-East are saying is that we have not finished negotiating with President Jonathan yet. They have also said that they don’t want the Vice-Presidential slot for the zone. How do you agree without negotiating?  Nobody has ever agreed without negotiating. The Igbos want support for the presidency in 2015 from any of the groups approaching
the South-East for negotiation.

Is it this demand for support for Igbo Presidency in 2015 that Igbo leaders are presenting to all the presidential aspirants including President Jonathan?

Exactly; after President Jonathan would have completed his term in 2015, the only zone in Nigeria which should produce the next Head of Government is the South-East zone.

But it has been argued that the North-East is also waiting to take its turn?

Who are those saying that? Where did Tafawa Balewa, the Prime Minister during the First Republic hail from?  People should not say what is not true. L[b]et me add that it sounds fraudulent to just talk about North-South rotation within the context of the zoning arrangement. Zoning as we know it has meaning within the context of the six geo-political zones of Nigeria.

You cannot  talk about North-South zoning because that kind of zoning, can ensure that no Igbo man would ever become the President of this country. When you insist on North-South zoning, any strong zone in the North or  South could monopolise the presidency. President Umar Musa Yar’Adua who died earlier in the year hailed from the North-West.[/b]

Who are those contesting for the office of the President now? You must have realised that within the PDP the main contestants now are from  the North-East and North-Central. But if you have a strong candidate from the North-West, that zone would still retain the presidency. North-South zoning is fraudulent. Th
at is not what is in the PDP constitution; I support zoning as it is contained in the PDP constitution. The North-South type of zoning is an antithesis to the real zoning I know about.

I also need to let you know that the North did not deceive the South-East; what happened was that some  members of the South-East delegation did not play the role they were supposed to play during the dialogue we had with Northern leaders.

Suppose a presidential aspirant   like former military President Gen. Ibrahim Babangida  offers the Vice-presidential position to the South-East would it be rejected?

That offer has already been made.  That is the main point I have been making since I began speaking  to you. Some of the people who are fighting battles and using other excuses are actually defending their own selfish interest. But what most of us in the South-East are saying is that we may be politically hungry but decide to starve if we do not like the type of food that has been offered to us. The position of Vice-presidency doesn’t excite Ndigbo again.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2010/08/26/north-offered-ndigbo-vp-but-we-rejected-it-says-ezeife/

na_so:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

All this your story is for the presidency to come to SE by 2015. Zoning or not, 2015 is very very unlikely for the SE.

I don't know why you insist on making this a south east vs south south issue. IT IS NOT. Having said that, do you think you can blackmail us into supporting a betrayal?
Think again dude.
I don't know whether you've been following this thread carefully. The last thing the Igboman worries about in Nigeria is a fictitious enclave called "south south". When the time comes, we'll prove to you that it doesn't exist. For now, Ndigbo please don't support any betrayals. Let those whose stock in trade is betrayal continue in their trade.

Agbachaa oso aguo mile.

So, as the NEC of PDP said, zoning is in place, but Jonathan can contest.  In a free and fair elections, if he wins, fine. My message to my Igbo people is that we should not renege on any agreements. IT IS BAD.

Let those who would, do their thing. This is not about winning or losing. Again this is NOT about south east/ south south. You have to have a solid ground to plan your life. If the ground keep shifting, how can we ever plan?
Remember that a huge chunk of our lives is built on agreements; example, learning a trade. You pick a boy, he stays with you for an "agreed" number of years, after which you "settle" him by giving him money to start a business. That has always been the Igbo way.

Since the cultures in Nigeria are fluid and mixing, we should not allow this culture of reneging on agreements to permeate ours and destroy our ability to be cohesive, progressive, peaceful and disciplined as we've always been.
The ramifications are huge!

We've only just recently started to find our peace when we voted PDP out of Anambra elections. In a free and fair elections, they will lose again in the south east. So, let's not worry about winning or losing.

Let's not go back on agreements! Period.

Akanbi_edu:
I'd like the Yoruba elites to support zoning too. Agreements have to be respected in a multi-ethnic society like ours.

Yoruba leaders should not Follow Obj on this one, the man is simply out on a revenge mission. he works for himslef, only.

Very well said.

bk.babe97y:
Dude, u r just so, arrrrghh. . . . . ! I dont know how u look but I can categorically say I HATE YOU! Youre such a confusionist its pathethic. Youre a freaking snake! You indirectly insinuated that the Edo people would join Biafra. Sjeezy basically said he didnt care! Now, u try to twist the whole conversation as if he's trying to force them to go with the Yorubas. Like, why r u Ibos so deceitful? Why r u so cunning?

. The rantings of a lunatic.

I sincerely hope u get mashed up by a 18 Wheeler before christmas of this year, thats how much ill I wish for your despicable aszz u piece of shiyyt!

Back to sender X10! Amen!  

And while at it, may a Brooklyn stray bullet pierce your right eye and emerge from your left ear!
slowpoke!

Anyway, I'm back to my position, which is that Ndigbo should stick to the zoning agreement. It makes sense, and re-emphasizes our nature as a people who keep agreements. I know that many elements from south west will do everything, say everything, to make this look like a south east vs south south thing. IT IS NOT. This is about agreements.

And like I said before, the international community is watching. When the time comes, how do we explain that we are reneging on agreements? It was not easy for us to obtain support for the Biafra of 1967 because a lot of lies were peddled against us by the media and most of them stuck because the world did not know Nigeria then. Today is different. They are watching.

Ndigbo must not be emotional here. Jonathan is from the East, yes. But he is sitting on a position that came out because of zoning. Anyone making other arguments is a liar. Let us abide by the zoning agreement without caring whose ox is gored.

Dede1:
Please do not visit me with frustration because I am only a massager. My forbearers and my humble self did not get involved with name changing schemes. I am just a lover of history. My people say the uneasiness rests the head that wears the crown.

For example Bonny is neither Igbo nor Ijo but bastardized Ubani. Ijo’s ridiculous name changing scheme does not know boundaries such as [size=14pt]Amakiri to Amachree[/size], Ama-onye-na-abo to Amayanabo, Ama-amadi to Amadi- ama, Ama-Ogan to Ogan-ama, etc.  The funny aspect of the history involving Ubani (Bonny), Calabarie (Kalabari) and Okirika was the names and nicknames associated with the principal actors in the ruling houses. There were names such as Kamalu, Nwananaku, Ejemenike, Ejike, Owerri Daba, Orikadibia, Elebike, Osiagu, Otaji and Eleru. Also, there were nicknames such Odum and Edi Abali.

You can called my source folktale or oral endeavor however it remains legitimate because it is recorded events by the Europeans which stated about 1469 and completed in 1863. Certain people can run but they can not hide.

Zeroing in on the truth. . .

@Ibime (or whoever knows), how do you pronounce the "chree" in Amachree? Is it pronounced "ch" or "k" , that is "Amakree"?

If so, then it must be another bastardized Igbo, like "Awka" instead of "Oka", or "Owerri" instead of "Owerre", or "Onitsha" instead of "Onicha" etc.

Is Amachree not an anglicized "Amakiri"?

This is a more accurate version of this story.

[size=16pt]PDP govs at parley, okay colleagues for presidential race [/size]


• VP, Nwodo, state chairmen meet


AFTER a night-long meeting on the 2011 presidency on Tuesday, governors of the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP) resolved to toe the line of the party’s National Executive Committee (NEC) that the race is open to all aspirants.The governors therefore said anyone of them with intention should go and pursue his ambition.
The NEC, which zoned the office to the North, however said President Goodluck Jonathan is free to contest the election like any another Nigerian.


The Guardian learnt that two governors from the North: Bukola Saraki (Kwara) and Danjuma Goje (Gombe) have tacitly indicated interest in the office.
Worries abound that both men, who interestingly are the few not in position to continue as governors having done two terms may now be objects of attacks or dart-throwing by the PDP group urging an automatic Jonathan ticket.

Saraki and Goje have been resolute in their crusade among the PDP governors to have the Presidency back in the North. Saraki is reportedly the candidate of choice for the “New Order Movement” in the North that has been campaigning for generational shift and for the North to put its best forward.

The governors’ meeting however failed to arrive on a particular modality for the choice of the party’s candidate as some of them allegedly asked for time to discuss the matter.
Consequently, the governors agreed, after an earlier meeting, to meet later at the Kwara Governor’s Lodge in Asokoro District of Abuja at 8.00 p.m.

The meeting could not begin until about 9.30 p.m. because some of the governors ended their fast late. At 9.30 p.m. Timipre Sylva of Bayelsa State entered the venue and the meeting started.
It was learnt that the first item discussed by the state executives was the proposed amendment of the PDP constitution, particularly Article 12:84, which deals with composition of the national convention.

The constitution allows aides of governors and presidents to vote as delegates at the national convention but the new PDP leadership plans to end the automatic delegate system and pave way for only those elected at the various congresses to emerge as delegates to the national convention. It is however the position of the governors that the amendment of the constitution be left until after the next elections so that the PDP could concentrate on the preparation for the polls.

The next issue discussed by the governors was the choice of a presidential candidate from among their fold. The argument canvassed was that in advanced democracies, particularly in the United States (U.S.), presidential candidates usually emerge from the league of governors. This agenda, however, polarised the governors.

While Saraki allegedly indicated his interest in the Presidency, and was backed by many, some governors were said to have made a case for Goje. The South-East governors were said to be neutral, saying that they would make the position of the zone known at the appropriate time.

Some governors from the far North were said to have argued the next president must come from the North. It was at this juncture that the meeting came to an abrupt end at 2.10 a.m. without any concrete position adopted by them on one candidate. None of the governors, including the host, Saraki, was ready to speak on the outcome of the meeting with journalists.

Among the governors who attended the meeting were those of Akwa Ibom, Bauchi, Bayelsa, Benue, Cross River, Delta, Ebonyi, Ekiti, Enugu, Imo, Jigawa, Katsina, Kaduna, Kebbi and Kogi.
Others included Kwara, Nasarawa, Niger, Ogun, Osun, Oyo, Plateau, Rivers, Sokoto, Taraba and Zamfara states. Adamawa, Gombe, Kogi and Osun were represented by their deputy governors.

While the governors were meeting, the chairmen of the party in the 36 states and the Federal Capital Territory (FCT) were with PDP National Chairman, Dr. Okwesilieze Nwodo, at the party’s national secretariat in Abuja. Although party sources said it was a mere coincidence, it was learnt that the chairmen came from a meeting with the Vice President, Namadi Sambo, in the Presidential Villa.
Their meeting with the vice president allegedly focused on next year’s election and the need to make the party come out top.

At the meeting with Nwodo, the first since he assumed office, the PDP boss allegedly briefed them about the sweeping changes in the party and the need to embrace them.
Nwodo reportedly told the chairmen that primaries of the PDP would begin immediately the Independent National Electoral Commission (INEC) releases the guidelines. The chairmen were said to have assured Nwodo of their readiness to work with him.

http://www.guardiannewsngr.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=21279:pdp-govs-at-parley-okay-colleagues-for-presidential-race&catid=1:national&Itemid=559

It is only natural.

They should try to address all the cheatings through the years whereby peoples of same ancestry, language or culture, are cut into two or more different states.

Also the delta Igbo wants Anioma state that should join south east zone. I know that the Obi of Asaba made that request.

[size=16pt]Bankole: Boundary Adjustment to Form Part of State Creation[/size]

As part of the ongoing constitutional amendment process, the House of Representatives will consider boundary adjustment during the state creation exercise to be embarked on by the National Assembly. 
The Speaker of the House of Representatives, Rt. Hon. Dimeji Bankole disclosed this during the presentation of a petition on boundary adjustment in respect of 33 Orile – Oko Egba villages wrongly classified as Remo North Local Government of Ogun State.


  Bankole promised that the petition would be looked into and the House will ensure that equity, fair play and justice is done to all parties in boundary adjustment based on cultural affinity among other factors. 
Presenting the petition, Oba Adedapo Tejuosho, the Osile of Oke-Ona, Egba, stated that the people of 33 villages wrongly classified as Remo North in the Remo Division belong to Egba Division and wish to be with their kith and kin in Egbaland adding that “we are all Egba people and not Ijebus”.


He said that the agitation for the people to join their kith and kin dates back to 1948 during the reign of Oba Ademola and Oba Oyebade Lipeade in 1972 stressing that now that the issue of state creation is the next agenda of the National Assembly, the petition should be considered in the interest of justice and fair play.

http://www.thisdayonline.com/nview.php?id=181556

sbeezy8:
DIDNT I SAY WE DONT WANT EDO LAND- so wetting concern us, edo are their own people and I like that.

So why are you trying to define their "republic" for them? Just leave them the hell alone!
Stop defining other peoples lands.

I know this much, when Nigeria disintegrates, no one will go with the Yoruba.

sbeezy8:
lol insecurtity because I dont believe in Zoning and everyone should get votes fair and square?
Igbo should contest in Every election as well a yoruba as well as hausas ijaw etc . .  no one should hold anyone back.

so why are you mad at me cause I want a real democracy?

If Nigeria was to break up[b] I want Only yorubaland [/b]to Join it not Edo or Anything. I can visit Benin city or warri when its in a Niger delta republic.

You should mind ONLY Yorubaland. You can't define other territories.
When Nigeria disintegrates let's see who would go with who.
I mind only Igboland -all of it. Whoever wants can join us (except the Yoruba of course ).

Igbo are egalitarian, and your 40 year old lies against us is finally wearing out. Leave the Edo alone. They can join whoever they want.

I'm not comfortable with this thread.

Bro Andre, wetin bro [b]Beaf [/b]do na?

We want Anioma state, no doubt, but Beaf is not fighting it.
No need for this at all.  

~Bluetooth:
So why all these noise about ibo presidency 2015 ? [b]Do these edo people also believe in biafra stuggle ? [/b]I tire for una o

Look, I just made one observation. I believe that should Nigeria disintegrate today, people will be shocked by who will go with who.
I know that an overwhelming majority of Nigerians will not stay in a country without the Igbos.
This is not boasting. It is the simple fact. That is because we have a sense of justice and "live and let live". We've demonstrated it over and over again in Nigeria.
We are just tired of being abused.

sjeezy8:
lol- It doesnt matter cause I know calabar who actually like Cross rivier and Awka Ibom states( They like Most Nigerian want Federalism) and not biafra.

and what does Edo have to do with this topic or yoruba people ?

I guess Nigeria will disintergrate because everyone wants a free and fair election in 2015 lol-

No, Nigeria will disintegrate because the civil war is continuing. We are not fooled one bit.
When it does, every region will find their levels.

chyz:
Yeah maybe  

The governors of the south east excused themselves from president or VP in 2011. I believe the whole Igbos won't go for VP except if it is accompanied with an assurance that the VP will become the president in 2015. Anything less is not our interest. We've been there and done that. Ndigbo are gradually rallying around that point.

sjeezy8:
and you think you will? lol

Oh don't worry about us. The North knows what we can do to Nigeria. There are Igbos already warming up for Nigeria's disintegration in 2015. In fact a lot of Igbos are praying for the marginalization to continue so that they will be convinced that Nigeria is not for them.

I have even met a lot of Edo people who wish that Biafra will succeed. You think they are happy with Nigeria or with you the Yoruba?

Just wait.

sjeezy8:
lol- since when did everyone give power to the SW? the north gave it to Obj. stop the lies

Believe whatever you like. I wouldn't expect you to do otherwise. Your people are not known to be straight and live by agreements.
Obasanjo is a full blooded Yoruba man from Ogun state. He ruled Nigeria for 8 unbroken years. FACT.

Your people won't smell power for at least 32 years. That much is settled in Nigerian politics of the near future.

So I repeat, ALL NIGERIANS ceded presidency to the south west in 1999. Why is the south west stabbing everybody in the back now?

sjeezy8:
Now youre just telling FUCKIN lies- this is alarming

i[b]gbos didnt vote ANY AD- everyone knows that stop telling lies[/b]

It wasn't AD. It was APP/AD alliance. Ogbonnaya Onu (an Igbo ) won the APP presidential ticket, and stepped down for the joint alliance candidate called Olu Falae of AD (a Yoruba ).
You see because you are so selfish, you can never imagine a scenario where you would step down for another tribe, would you?

sjeezy8:
Are you dumb who is more powerful and whos the head. Prime minister who was elected in 1960 or "President" in 1963 while there was still a prime minister. thats comon sense.

So Nigeria had no "governor general" between 1960-63?
Dude go back to school.