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9ja voice: Pls my Igbo brothers here do not even burder,

Obi is such a stingy man that he can never do it.

He has promise them another location even b4 Sultan, and did not attempt doing it.

So i realy know and understand the tone of that politics.

hehe! Anyi ga ama ebe Obi ga esi weta ego o ga eji ruo ulo ndi alakuba ozo. lol

Umu Anambra amakwa m na unu mu anya ka azu.

When it comes to anything education in Nigeria, I would trust Imo state first before any other state. This is one state where people actually think about education policies before they are implemented.
Igbo language needs a huge shot in the arm by governments of Igbo speaking states. Short of what Imo state government is doing here with its own schools, I don't see any other way out for Igbo language for the younger generation.
BTW if Igbo based outside Igboland feel sidelined by this, then tough luck! I would not like a situation whereby Igbo who are based outside Igboland hijack and shape the future of Ndigbo as a whole without local considerations -Ndigbo and our language. All politics is local.

If other states retaliate, then the SE states need to build MORE universities and institutions of higher learning, to accommodate Igbo who would need them.
We cannot shape our future only by looking around us or behind our backs!

Our language must survive for we to survive as Ndigbo.

Why do I believe that the British and Igbo were scammed? Simple.

The British could not have resisted the Indigenization Decree because (after the destruction of the Igbo in 1970) they had no other leg to stand in Nigeria. Before the Nigeria/Biafran war, the British were very well represented in the THREE Regions: EAST, WEST AND NORTH (and to a lesser extent Midwest). Even as the war began, the British didn't immediately take sides until the Biafran side made some errors that swayed the war against Biafra within Nigerian groups (call it betrayal by those Nigerian groups or whatever) the British couldn't side with Biafra afterwards. Only a master stroke foreign support from another world power for Biafra could have attracted the British back to support Biafra. That never happened.

Before the war, the British worked more with Igbo civil servants and administrators, even up to military command. So, the British did not hate the Igbo really. It was all games of self preservation that made Britain support Nigeria.

With such background information, it becomes clear now how BETRAYED the British must have felt after their companies were forcibly taken from them and shared between Yoruba and Hausa elite who "won the war".

For all those who claim that the Igbo lost in indigenization excercise merely because the companies were located in the West, my questions to you are these:

Which rational human would expect the Igbo to be fair participants in the sharing of national resources just two to ten years after the most devastating war in the African continent?

Why the mad rush to indigenize?

What were the architects of indigenization rushing for, or better yet, what were they running from?

By the way, why did the indigenization thing stop in 1977/78? Why not conduct it again today? lol

I often feel insulted by some of the banal and self serving arguments put up by some Nigerians, because it shows such groups as wicked and without soul.

Well, let the debate continue.

Some years after political independence, it became clear to Nigerians that political independence, for it to be meaningful, should be founded on a bedrock of economic indepedence. It was in realization of this fact that in March 1972, the Nigerian government promulgated the Indigenization Decree. The decree compels some foreign business organizations to share the ownership of some of their business interests with Nigerians. Since 1972, other similar decrees have been promulgated, the most important of them being the decree of January 12, 1977.
The decree classified all enterprises in Nigeria into three schedules:

Schedule 1 consists of enterpriseswhich should be 100 percent owned and managed exclusively by Nigerians;

Schedule 2 are enterprises where Nigerians should acquire up to 60 percent equity participation; while,

Schedule 3 consists of enterprises with 40 percent equity participation by Nigerians


The decree then stipulated that appropriate equities of those enterprises were to be sold or transfered to Nigerians not later than December 31 1978 (or June 30 1977 for some classes of businesses).


Source: Nigeria's Third Republic: The Problems and Prospects of Political Transition ...
By Bamidele A. Ojo

http://books.google.com/books?id=CcXAqV4Ho04C&pg=PA74&lpg=PA74&dq=indigenization+decree+in+Nigeria+what+year&source=bl&ots=lDGiyUHJE5&sig=NUaPKWuIaTusiuJQQXKRNOGVBl8&hl=en#v=onepage&q=indigenization%20decree%20in%20Nigeria%20what%20year&f=false

Noiseless2: [b]The British were actually 419ed (scammed)by the Yoruba & HAUSA/FULANI after wining the war for them against Biafra, but they have no choice other than remain mute since they knew they would still benefit from the oil [/b]due to their (british) shameful and evil role in slaughtering over 3million Biafra/Igbos.

Perhaps the bolded represents my own conclusions drawn from the intents and practices of the Indigenization Decree of March 1972.

I didn't even dig deep to draw the same conclusion, and I will post my supporting document.

Dede1: @OP

We should thank the author of the posted piece for exposing the stark ignorance that dwells in the mind of certain Nigeria. The author should not have deliberated on the punitive indigenization decree alone but boundary adjustment and land decree yet the moronic leaders failed to settle the issues of Bakassi. It is an unforgettable mark in history that the damages inflicted on Nidgbo by Britain\Biafra war were finished by indigenization and boundary adjustment decrees.

I have always looked at the civil war as Britain\Biafra war and regarded the term of Nigeria\Biafra civil war as a misnomer. In addition, I am happy the author brought to the fore the basement ignorance that tends to dominate certain discussions about and in Nigeria. I bear a shocking disappointment on the comments from unexpected quarters on this issue.

I am not shocked at all by some of the comments from our own brothers on this issue. Reason? Some of them are already repeating history by heavily investing eslewhere while abandoning the East. Man is usually self centered and would rather view the world from personal convenience. Only VERY FEW men view the world objectively and without considering personal convenience. lol

@Topic,

Now I'm back!

Nothing speaks louder and clearer than pictures! Like some have already said, I would like to see a picture where Tinubu is bowing to ANY other human being ANYWHERE.
This picture is powerful!

Noiseless2: Bro, [b]what's the point in attacking whoever wrote it in this manner? Even if you you don't like him for whatever reason, wouldn't it be better if you write a better one instead of spiting on the writer,[/b]please your differences away and give us your better account, thanks.

Dalu nwanne
Umu Igbo na akpasu madu iwe oge ufodu.

afam4eva: You don't expect Igbos to some out of the war and still dominate the economy and the civil service. They forfeited it the moment they went to war considering the fact that most of these companies were located in Lagos and would ordinarily be taken over by Yorubas. Had they been located in the east, it would have been a diferent case.

I think the Igbo have to leave all this and move forward as a nation. We have what it takes to take our place like it was pre civil war.

Afam4eva,

Sometimes I wonder why it is always easy for some of you to use the type of glib logic you applied above.
Nna kedudi ife na eme unu bu umu Igbo?
You have been nibbling at this thread trying desperately to throw it under the bus as if the OP is a fool for posting it.
Obudi soso unu bi na Lagos?

The article was circulated in an Igbo forum (email forum) and I was not even interested in creating a thread with it, that is why I posted it in that other thread.
Nevertheless, this issue is a DEEPLY painful issue to Ndigbo and it has refused to die, so it would be careless and irresponsible for any Igbo son to poopoo such thread simply because he thinks the wounds have healed.

Echi kitaa unu ebido iti mkpu na ndi ugwu na ndi Yoruba na emegbu Ndigbo, mana unu bu umu Igbo ga ebukwa uzo gozi ha na ife ha melu enweghi ife omelu.
Nna ike gwuru!

The same goes to Ejine.

@OP, Nwanne the topic of indigenization is a very relevant part of our history. Onye na amaghi ebe mmiri bidoro maba ya agaghi ama ebe o kwusiri.
I don't have time yet to help research the topic. When I do, I shall come and give my own contribution.

Jisie ike nwanne.

Mzsolex: are you guyz always oblivious of the fact that it's not only NIGERIAN'S that visit this forum...I mean agreed an average igbo man is greedy and selfcenterd, but @ least always try and hide it 4rm the outside world.

What I still can't understand is HOW Biafra (which can even be formed by Igboland alone) makes Igbo greedy and self centered. Can you at least explain this part?
The OP made the same point, yet he is not Igbo and his land will NOT be part of Biafra.

My hunch remains that if Igboland leaves Nigeria, other surrounding tribes will join them. I think that is what the OP is scared to death about.
He is afraid that some folks are determined to take his Yoruba mouth off the b.r.e.asts of the oilfields in the East.

Kgdavid: without the police force how easy would it be for your neighbour to get up and rape your wife? armed robbers would operate literally at will...kidnappers, murderers.......how can anyone really claim and believe that we will be better of without the police evena s terrible as they supposedly are??
you misunderstood my point about the nigerian police being representative of typical nigerians. what i meant was there is nothing that naturally distinguishes a nigerian police officer from any other nigerian. the same nigerian that is a dr could have been a police officer under different circumstances, the same nigerian that is a lawyer, a president, an armed robber and a taxi driver could have been a police man under different circumstances and vice versa. policemen are not inferior to the rest of us merely by virtue of their uniform so why do people hold the view that they are inherently incompetent?? if nigerians [/b]are capable of running world class banks, schools and medical centres then we are equally capable of running a world class police force. all that we need in order to bring out the best of our officers is the right professional environment. its really quite basic... disatisfied employees are generally unproductive.

at the end of the day if our police went to south sudan and did all the awful things that they are accussed of in [b]nigeria, why on earth would the sudanese ask them back to train their force? this is such a futile argument.

You are still mistaken, and I still stand by my allusion that Nigerian police contributes a healthy dose of the nations criminals and hellish conditions.

You can replace current Nigerian police with private security outfits in Local Government Areas, and no one would even notice that the Nigerian police is gone. Try it and see wonders!
The problem is NIGERIANIZATION (forced nationalization) of the police. Decouple the police and take it away from Nigerian (Abuja) control and what you would get can then represent a true semblance of the Nigerian capability.
Some of those who force nationalization of everything in Nigeria, are the greatest enemies of the Nigerian nation and peoples inside it. They are the people who design an inherently inefficient system and force it down our throats as "Nigerian" this or that.

That is the point I'm trying to make.

Marketing T.A Orji must be the toughest job in Nigeria.

lol

Kgdavid: with regards to the training of the nigerian police i really cannot tell but let us be reasonable. the south sudanese and their international partners have absolutely no reason to play the sycophant to nigeria by unduly praising our police force. the ironic thing is that by casting a blanket of doubt over the entire nigeria police force you indirectly cast a blanket of doubt over the capabilities of all nigerians. you see the Nigerian police are recruited from all deivisions and walks of life in nigeria yet you say carelessly that the police force is inherently inept. yes our police are known for being corrupt and professionally lousy relative to other police forces but then arent their conditions inept and professionally lousy relative to those of other police forces? the fact that they are not being motivated to achieve excellence does not mean they are incapable of it. nigeria without police would be hell.

Nigeria WITH the Nigerian police is already hell. lol
The Nigerian police contributes to the hellish conditions in Nigeria.

I completely disagree that Nigerian police = Nigerians. This is the greatest logical leap I have ever encountered on this forum.
If you want to see the REAL capacity of Nigerians, support the creation of STATE POLICE, and then watch how talented we are. To conclude that a system designed by the least intellectually capable arm of the Nigerian society (the erstwhile Nigerian military governments) is the best of Nigeria, is to insult the nation.
Please pipe low.

They identified the problem but lied about the cause of the problem. lol
If you want to solve a problem well, you must go to the root. I thought they said that they feed the Nation with their agric produce. I thought they said that agriculture contribute more to the national economic pool than say oil or commerce. So what is the problem now?
The truth is gradually coming out.

I'm just lmao at some of the claims and counter-claims on this thread. If this oil thing is what my state hopes to survive on, then maybe we need to reexamine ourselves again.
No doubt it can provide the seed money to lay the foundation of a great economic revival, but it will not happen automatically without a sound prudent planning.
I have many questions which I suspect cannot be answered by anyone on this thread or this forum for that matter. So I will save my questions and simply wait.

Afam buzi afu na anya ekwe.

ocelot2006: Oh my....... the chimpanzee "strikes" back . Throughout the years before Nigeria handed over Bakassi peninsula, the contested region was firmly in the grip of the Nigerian military. Units from the Army's amphibious battalions and the NPF MOPOL were stationed there and controlled all supply lines towards that area (Akpabuyo). The Navy's Eastern Naval Command had total control of the waters surrounding the area, and NAF's Strike group stationed at Calabar International Airport could easily be called upon to provide combat air support (CAS). In summary, WE CONTROLLED THE "BATTLESPACE" FOR A VERY LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG PERIOD. So here's my question to the "wise" ONLYMUMU: WHERE THE HELL WHERE THE FRENCH THROUGH THAT PERIOD?!

Oh and yes, this isn't about the Nigerian military vs Biafra. 'cos if it were so, Ivory Coast wouldve been your permanent home .

What a douche..

Goat let me give you another brain teaser.
So, why una come leave Bakassi na? Una for stay fight. hehe
Why una come run comot for Bakassi?
Freaking goat.

odumchi: What about what I asked you?

Don't bother getting a smart response from that animal. My concern is that he is embarassing Akwa Ibom people on this forum and we should deal with him rather than Akwa ibomites.
Pictures speak loudest and I have other pictures that would show how IMPOSSIBLE it is for anyone to distinguish between Igbo and Akwa Ibom people.
Even in Naija now sef, when aboki starts to kill Igbos in the North, Akwa Ibomites don't escape it; yet that goat is here insulting the memories of great Ibibios that fought against Northern domination by proudly wearing their Biafran uniforms and dying alongside their Igbo brothers.

ndu_chucks: Eze Ndigbo NLers, you are part of the problem with your campaign of hatred and negativity. You should be ashamed of yourself. nkita rachara gi anya

You did not even allow the ink to dry before lifting this bolded words verbatim. hehe
You need to attend a formal Igbo school.

BTW I stand by my beliefs. IBB and Ibeto are both BILLIONAIRES from the Nigerian system. Did anyone expect them to say otherwise? lol
My concern is the thousands that die every year in Nigeria from a grossly inefficient and inherently unworkable system.

Anyone supporting such a system is inhuman and should be ashamed of himself/herself.

Only those maintaining HUGE PERSONAL GAINS from Nigeria believes in its indivisibility. Every man made construct is inherently fallible.
Any nation that kills its own citizens either deliberately or indeliberately can disintegrate.

bamu_hanya: ^^^^ chairman well spoken and definitely correct. onlytruthlie has done it again express poor intelligence.Also trying to lie his way out.The said missile was actually purchased in the 80's and subsequently its probably on a new ship purchase, NNS thunder.Trying to show his emptiness as usual from the inside.daft daft daft!!! (http://nationalmirroronline.net/news/24234.html)

My friend go and sit down. I deliberately decided not to continue exchanging words with the goat. The goat claimed (by implication) that the Franco-Camerounian side was the first to seek UN/ ICJ intervention, hence (by implication again) they are the weaker side. lol. He could not raise his thoughts to understand that many countries constantly overlook and ignore ICJ rulings -the ones powerful enough. Naija ran with tails between legs and panickingly handed over Bakassi.
In lay man's terms, what the Franco-Camerounian side wanted to do was to gain an international legitimate excuse to deal with Naija. OBJ saw the handwriting on the wall and handed it over.

Only a fool would expect the French to sell or supply Nigeria with Exocet missiles (that they make) without supplying Cameroun with better and more modern ones.

Let me say this, in a hypothetical war between France and Nigeria ('cos that is what would happen if Nigeria had stayed in Bakassi), your Navy would be crippled before Nigeria makes any meaningful moves. This is not a war with Biafra.

FSU: This is quite unfortunate. The Fulanis have also been killed in their numbers. These communities have been doing stop and search along the Nsukka-Adani road and have killed any body seen with any Fulani resemblance and the ones in the farms have been hunted like antelops and even their cows killed in their herds. Nobody in this thread should take the Igbos for a ride. We are no fools guyz. This writter is reporting this even late cos this is almost one month that this happened. The community is just calling on the state government to fulfil all rightousness.

A War against the Fulanis in and around Nimbo communities has been declared and let it be on record that the youth of these communities are among the toughest and the boldest in the whole of this country and because of law enforcement agencies will not just tell u that 10 or 15 Fulani herdsmen have been killed.

The war is still raging...

Onyeka

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2012/08/fear-grips-enugu-community-as-fulani-herdsmen-kill-2-teenagers/

The ONLY problem we have dealing with the Fulani hyenas in the outskirts and fringes of our land is the Nigerian nation. Imagine how they (Fulani) go about heavily armed while you will be arrested for possession of a mere hunting riffle. I wonder how our people take that nonsense.

My only consolation is that I know Igbo people very well. A CARMEL WOULD HAVE TO PASS THROUGH THE NEEDLE'S EYE BEFORE WE ACCEPT THIS TYPE OF FULANI NONSENSE IN OUR LAND.
Nuff said on that.

We fought practically the whole world for almost three years. The Fulani are no match. . . BY A LONG SHOT.

It is not by accident that ALL parts of Igboland is Christian and IGBO. No annexed lands by Islamic invaders. The nonsense was stopped by our ancestors. We are even more militant than our ancestors; so I wish them luck picking on us. They shouldn't run though. lol

Mr.chippychappy:
Aljharem sorry i meant Ocelot2006 how far now ?

ocelot2006: And who do we have here? The Biafran Clown-in-Chief. Hey, we still await those "trustworthy" sons of yours that will "take over" Akwa Ibom lands. Seriously, you Biafran clowns are really pathetic. Always lumping us with that pipe-dream "Biafra" in those empty heads of yours. Bet hey, whatever makes you happy Mon.


Oh by the way, I suggest look up the Nigerian Navy's missile arsenal. We DO have the exocet missile. And you do know that while the French may have a defense pact with Cameroon, they have investments worth billions of Euros in Nigeria? Investments that we once threatened to nationalize, right? But hey, I'm sure the French will supply the Cameroonian Military enhanced weapons against a waaaay formidable and experienced Nigerian military. Keep dreaming d.I.c.k head.

Okay let me respond to you FOR THE LAST TIME, and afterwards heed the advise I dish out to others.
I have only ONE question to ask you:

WHY DID NIGERIA AGREE TO HAND OVER BAKASSI TO CAMEROUN?

When you answer this question, you shall meet the truth, and if your IQ is higher than that of a goat, you will stop embarassing smart people of Akwa ibom.

As for the Exocet, you are too dumb to comprehend the point I made about the Franco-Camerounian defence pact. Suffice it to say that the FRENCH will NOT side you. Their interest in Africa is very "unique and peculiar". I won't say more than this.

So keep living in your ant hubris.

ACM10: You have a point. But remember that southeast don't fear political domination. It's other regions that harbour such fear.

The fear is very real because you have these Fulani herdsmen formenting trouble everywhere.
I used to support this but I have dropped that support.

If this is allowed, the Fulani nonsense will gain legitimacy. If they must support this, they should insist that states must have their own police forces too.

If only Nigeria will divide or allow us Igboland only to leave and stay out, the rest can do whatever they want.

Nigeria is VERY FRUSTRATING to Ndigbo. We are in an existential trap

We want to leave or have a sensible country. Our leaders are becoming confused.