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MuttleyLaff:
Shepherd00, as you can see everything that this my dedicated over zealous fan types or says is scam, even his good morning, apart from the rain checking I told you about, should also be investigated henceforth. Look at him lying through his teeth. It just keeps on making up lies, where is it verbatim, when and where I typed that "I had SCRIPTURES that shows where God permits homosexual acts", hmm? SMH. Even the alleged Naomi and Ruth one, he is now chomping teeth because it is a fabricated big fat lie. It wasnt me.

The question he asks are dead simple questions, littered all over the Bible. Will only cross that bridge when we come to it, not and never before anyway.

Doesnt even know that it has nothing to do with needing assistance, winning anything, likes, supportive comments, being disgraced or not being disgraced etcetera. Nah, nothing at all to remotely do with anything like that. I am just pleased to be a source of enjoyment for you, it is a blessing to be that for you. Thank you very much for the privilege

MuttleyLaff:
SCRIPTURES are already coming on the thread from ME, more FAST and FURIOUS to come,the minute TV01 begins to answer those my first set of four easy, simple, straightforward and direct salvo questions discharged at him

MuttleyLaff:
God SEES NOTHING UNTOWARD in consensual adult homosexuality, homosexuals/lesbians and/or same sex attraction and union(s), especially one that is in, a kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, not harmful and committed life long until death do them part relationships

MuttleyLaff:
Listen, because I am not going to REPEAT myself, I didnt open this thread to "reel out 'SCRIPTURES' that proves that God permits, tolerates and love homosexual acts!". The title of the thread is self explanatory enough, so please, get that straight. Thank you very much.

MuttleyLaff:
I have said this before, that,at appropriate times, appropriate SCRIPTURES will be shared

MuttleyLaff:
cc Bejusttoall

MuttleyLaff:
1/ I am not going to answer this question, since you've decided to slander me, just like that my dedicated over zealous fan lied about me with Naomi and Ruth. The only Naomi, I've ever mentioned in my Nairaland MuttleyLaff life is Naomi Campbell, and none other than that. I have never typed Naomi, except for Naomi Campbell, anywhere in the Religion forum. This is your reward for getting your fact wrong TV01. You'll now appreciate more, why that, this my dedicated over zealous fan is on permanent "Ignore Mode ON" and why I dont bat him an eyelid
2/ God is waiting for man to come up with the miraculous ideas He has placed in them for this to happen. Besides God isnt in a hurry, He has all the time in His Hands. I guess, as a consolation, you might say, it answers #1 above not attended to by me
3/ SMH, I said marriage is an imitation, a copy of a real thing in heaven. Marriage is a union between the soul and God. It is beyond sexuality or gender
4/ Check previous post above. Please stop repeating questions I've previously answered. Small time now, you'll be accusing me of repeating myself, why wouldnt I, when you lot wont read but keep re-asking about issues or questions I've previously addressed

MuttleyLaff:
Being a moG, is for every believer, son of God, and especially one that submits to the Holy Spirit. It means belong to God Shepherd00.

You rubbished the Romans 8:14 verse I previously quoted, like as if you're a hater. Na wa for you ooo, all this yours and my over zealous fan's venoms showing in both your attitudes, comments or behaviours

MuttleyLaff:
Shepherd00, have you got evidence or proof of me copying the contents from that site or any other sites for that matter
Be careful how you slander a moG. I've warned you before, please take heed of the warning, I beg you. I wont say more than that.

MuttleyLaff:
When that overzealous fan of mine tells you, it's raining, you're better off, getting off the seat and go check yourself, is all I'll be saying.

The guy has upgraded from mere dedicated heckling to peddling fake news about me. Making a false written statement about saying what I never and nowhere said. It is sheer and all calumny. SMH

Shepherd00:
With all the noise you made, you failed to say what porneia, malakoi/malakos and arsenokoites means within the context they were used.

You just mentioning is enough for you to think they will mean what you want them to mean?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.gaychristian101.com/Malakoi.html&ved=2ahUKEwjjzqKLk_HiAhU9RRUIHYzjDf8QFjACegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw2oDbI8vvuscfryAMmjVJs1
This is the homosexual site where you copy and paste from. By all mean they try to pervert the Word of God to suit them.

MuttleyLaff:
budaatum though the thread didn't set out to respond to what they are asking me, I still to some certain degree accommodated and obliged them. The thread was opened to deconstruct lies and myths surrounding homosexuality and SSA unions and not giving in to strawman mining antics or other distracting ploys.

OkCornel has got the thread on its deconstructing footing. Ghenghen will soon happen, and lies are going to be exposed.

Progress has been made in those 17 pages, some readers have come to know things, they never knew before and things they have been misinformed about. It's still good in spite...

MuttleyLaff:
I am sorry I can't comment. There is a restraining order on me until I do certain things, but trust me, we will both deconstruct that word arsenokoites together, once it's over. Just note this combo word is, one part is singular and the other is plural. I can't comment anymore after this until when my restraining order is over.

MuttleyLaff:
Forgive me TV01, God knows my heart, that I am not intending, wasn't and didn't intend to ignore or planned not to respond to those outstanding two posts of yours. I am not like that, not especially to a worthy someone like you. I promise you, I'll restrain and discipline myself from responding to other posts except this niggling budaatum post I am dealing with.

I just got carried away, that at least that OkCornel post was right up the alley of the thread's subject title heading. Pardon my excitement.

budaatum:
You do not need to cc me since I already follow you! You definitely don't need to cc me in three consecutive posts in the same thread! And you don't need to cc me in a thread in which I have already commented or liked or shared as doing either of those three will flag up any post in my list of followed topics!

Please know. Where anybody puts their pricks is of no interest to buda unless like you they are putting it in buda, to which buda begs you please muttley, stop raping buda!

OkCornel:
I have asked you two questions which you've danced around;

1) Those who were delivered from their homosexual and lesbian behaviors after their encounter with Jesus, what do we make of their testimonies? Should we call them liars?

2) I would emphasize on 2 John 9 which you claimed had nothing to do with the subject;
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that continueth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

Look up the words of Jesus in Matthew 19 v 4-5;
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning, made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause, shall[b] a man leave father and mother, and cleave unto his wife, and they which were two, shall be one flesh?
[/b]


Right from the very beginning, God's arrangement for relationship/marriage is man/woman. Muttley;

a) Where did God modify this to include man & man and woman & woman relationship/marriage?
b) From Genesis to Revelation, can you give us one instance of God approving same sex relationship/marriage?

If you know you have no answers to these, you have transgressed the doctrine of Christ, especially where marriage is concerned.

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OkCornel:
Either ways, a homosexual or lesbian relationship can never lead to procreation if you go through the natural route. There is nowhere I have ever seen two sperm cells or two ovas fuse together to create a child. It goes against the way nature has designed it...

OkCornel:
This only lends credence to the fact that homosexuality and lesbianism can never allow procreation THE WAY GOD DESIGNED IT TO BE...

OkCornel:
What kind of homosexuality is acceptable to God? Does it also mean sex between two consenting adults, especially outside the confines of marriage is also acceptable to God? Be it that they are of the same sex or not?

OkCornel:
Yes...we'll look at them. Meanwhile, when Jesus spoke on marriage, pay close attention to His words...

Matthew 19 v 4-5;
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning, made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause, shall a man leave father and mother, and cleave unto his wife, and they which were two, shall be one flesh?

This was God's original design, now how did this deviate from man/woman relationship to man/man or woman/woman relationship?

Where did God give approval of a same sex relationship just like the above?

MuttleyLaff:
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Top of the morning to you too & everyone.
Pẹẹlẹ, ndo, sorry about that.
What network are you using?
#sipsTea, not strong coffee, like Shepherd00 does

MuttleyLaff:
What does Romans 8:1 say Mr OkCornel?

Never mind, I'll tell. It states that:
"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

So OkCornel, how can you try to, now curse those whom God has not cursed, hmm?

If I am meant by God to be here, whether my father happened to or didnt happen to a staunch homosexual, I'll be here and be here discussing with everyone. Case in point, some happily fit in "go into the world and multiply and fill the earth..." with children via surrogacy, cases in point, Elton John, Enrique "Ricky" Martín Morales aka Ricky Martin, etcetera whilst other some, already earlier or along the way, have had kids, just like Mpho Andrea Tutu-van Furth, google her up, then there's also someone like, Beyonce's husband, Jay-Z's mum (i.e. staunch lesbian)

"Are there cases of same sex relationship that led to procreation"? , you earlier asked me, at which I replied: "Yes, there are, case in point Elton John and partner, and using methods like in vitro fertilization, gestational surrogacy or medically assisted insemination".

MuttleyLaff:
OkCornel, being homosexual/lesbian, you see, doesnt exclude biblically or prohibit you officially from having kids, or does it? Please advise me, if it does.

MuttleyLaff:
Of course homosexuality, of and/or to a certain degree is acceptable to God

MuttleyLaff:
[s]OkCornel, I've earlier, more than one time, told you, I dont want to know who Paul was speaking against in 1 Timothy 1 v 8-11 but what in fact, I did ask you, was about the original and true meanings of the words changed in 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 from what Paul wrote and he meant.

Let's look at scriptures, to discuss, as you put it. Let's from the discussion, confirm the true and original meaning of the words "porneia" and "arsenokoites", both in 1 Timothy 1:10 and then, another one, like, "malakoi/malakos", that is in 1 Corinthians 6:9, along with "porneia" and "arsenokoites", the two earlier mentioned to be in 1 Timothy 1:10, before the lies they are now and currently are stating them to be, though they arent at all so, hmm?

Lets start with deconstructing those first before grabbing and/or holding on to Leviticus 18:22, or its sister verse Leviticus 20:13, to explain, what they really mean, why and how the term abomination that appears in them is so to God. Romans 1:26-27, too is up for grabs as well, we can check it together and find out, what contextually that scripture is about OkCornel. Other passages are fair game, I am wiling to stand alongside you, reviewing them together[/s]

MuttleyLaff:
One of my overzealous fans, that I put on "Ignore Mode On" because of his dedicated heckling conduct, in a way that shows poor judgement, mentioned paedophilia on this thread, when all we've been talking about is consensual adults in a mutual faithful, caring, loving, kind, truthful settings. Would you believe it OkCornel, he tried to sling in sexual attraction to prepubescent children into the discussion. That is not just "wikid" but is WIVIL (i.e. wicked+evil) thinking. Funny people everywhere. Nothing wey meh-guard gateman no go see for gate.

MuttleyLaff:
Lets see OkCornel, whether or not these lies, havent been perpetrated and used to demonise homosexuality that is acceptable before God. I've known you OkCornel, to be an objective person on other matter(s), let's see how far you maintain your objectivity or how far it goes, hmm?

MuttleyLaff:
If it is only just one person, it will be worth the effort. I am not like my lovely heckler makes me out to be, saying "this is a game or challenge that I needed to WIN to show off". Bound to win?. No! nothing about win but I am bound to be true to the facts.

MuttleyLaff:
All I am pleading with you OkCornel, is to show yourself approved unto God, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. I am not asking nor suggest you convince me or anyone else for the matter, but let's present the facts, let's examine and/or inspect them closely and thoroughly together, deconstruct these lies & myths, then leave the facts, to speak for themselves.
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OkCornel:
Mr Muttleylaff, what then should we say of homosexuals and lesbians that repented from such acts after having an encounter with Jesus... Do we call them liars?

Besides...if your father happened to be a staunch homosexual, you won't be here discussing with us...

Anyways, back to the matter on ground. Is homosexuality acceptable before God?


The scriptures to be discussed will be put up now...

MuttleyLaff:
My dear nwanne OkCornel, the gospel, the good news OkCornel, is not LGBT (Let God Burn Them) nor is it LGBTQ (Let God Burn Them Quickly), but the gospel is Let God Be Truth (LGBT) and every man, a liar, it is Life Gets Better Together (LGBT) for the common good and well being of all of us as a whole, the moment we realise and recognise that every human being, regardless of sexual orientation, shouldnt be singled out, to bear, take or suffer the brunt of discrimination, hatred, violence, fear of their lives etcetera. They deserve a safe and supportive environment to live in peace and harmony within the community and be made out, to become unloved, victims, marginalised, ostracised, discriminated against, bullied, beaten up, shunned, abused, maltreated, mistreated, shamed, abandoned, feel unsafe, imprisoned, rejected, have fear for their lives, etcetera. Meanwhile LGBTQ people, as we speak, are still being discriminated against, bullied, beaten up, shamed, abandoned, imprisoned, rejected and fear for their lives.

Now, OkCornel, why would anyone or even you, want to get in the way of two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, as in a woman and woman or a man and man, who love each other and want to be together with each other, for the rest of their lives, huh?

OkCornel, can you please tell how two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, as in a woman and woman or a man and man, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other, lasting that's a lifetime, life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that is not causing damage or harm to another person, not betraying of another person, or even, not cheating on another person, and not being harmful to an object or neighbour is affecting you, except you have a disorder called homophobia, hmm? Thank God, that's sometimes curable, but only if you want to be cured of it.

OkCornel, telling lies, misinterpreting the bible and wanting to hurt same sex relationship people in any way possible is the delight of homophobics, who read the Bible without background information and/or cultural context. It is their nature to avoid hard work of any kind wherever possible.

You seriously are missing the core point, if find this whole thing hilarious that someone who owes his existence from a male/female relationship... desperately supporting same sex relationship... The phobia of homosexuals is unbecoming of you OkCornel. Imagine, I wonder how you'll feel and/or behave, if one homosexual, happened to be your Dad, Mum, Granpa, Grandma, Aunt, Uncle, Niece, Nephew, Cousin, Work Colleague, Friend, Daughter or Son, hmm?

MuttleyLaff:
"We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ"
- 2 Corinthians 10:5

"We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ."
- 2 Corinthians 10:5

"overthrowing arguments, and every high thing lifting itself up against the knowledge of God, and taking captive every thought into the obedience of Christ"
- 2 Corinthians 10:5

Take a pick from the three above. Yes! Very much, very very scared you need to be because I am going to end up being your worst daymare and nightmare.

Let me tell you a thing or two about opinion and fact OkCornel.

You have to admit that, sometimes, you haven't had or hadnt spent enough time thinking, reading about and digesting a particular subject of interest, so you resign to having an opinion about it. Of course, you can have your own opinions, you are allowed to have your own opinion(s) about the matter but you can't have your own facts though. Do you know why OkCornel, it is because your opinion is meaningless in the face and presence of fact(s). It never has anything do to with "opinions". It has to do with truth and you and Shepherd00 apparently, in this regard, have no clue what fact means. Maybe by the time or when you look those four word up and prove me right, that yes, their meanings were changed, then maybe I might want to consider your "opinion"

I am waving facts at you and you are trying to argue with me without knowing the facts but airing "a contrary opinion." I know, you are going to be educated here, with me being your educator.

OkCornel, the problem is, too many people like you, don't know the difference between a fact and an opinion.
"Truths" and opinions change, but facts doesn't because they're based on reality. Opinions never affect facts. But facts should affect opinions, and do, if they are clear, logical and convincing.

Try being informed Okcornel and not just opinionated like Shepherd00 and others like him are

I suffer gladly ignoranus, ignoramus and/or ignorant people, but I dont suffer gladly people like you, that have the arrogance of an intellectual ignoranus, delighting in his own ignorance.

"Yoruba mo ba se tan, o tun ni dan iru ẹ wo, mọ!" loosely translated means "you wont ever try this with me, after I am done with you"
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OkCornel:
Honestly, I find this whole thing hilarious...

Someone who owes his existence from a male/female relationship... desperately supporting same sex relationship...

We'll see how far this goes later tonight...

MuttleyLaff:
"Ki ọlọmọ kilọ fun ọmọ ẹ" loosely translated means "make mama bomboy, pull bomboy over for corner, pull hin ears, begin warn am ooo" After the arse whooping, na to decativate account be next ooo OkCornel because I'll cat o' nine tails horse whip you back to the gates of the pit of hell and kick you inside. No try me ooo, I warn you ooo.

Shepherd00:
MuttleyLaff, the Right hand man of the AntiChrist shall be a preacher of the gospel, so I'm not shocked that you a homosexual can claim to be a Man of God.

If to say no be something eh, I for say make tunda faya skata ya teet, cut dat ya tong wey you use vomit dis shit.

Shepherd00:
Oga, as much as I'd want to completely ignore you, but pls permit me to tell you that you are confused.

You don't even have a pedestal to stand on here.

You said, U don't believe in the Word of God, again you said you agree with MuttleyLaff on his stance on homosexuality but you are not saying the Bible does not condemn homosexuality.


Which one shd we take?

MuttleyLaff is right God loves and permits homosexuality? or The Word of God condemns homosexuality?

MuttleyLaff your praise singer is confused.

jpmoriarti:
God will prefer you show love to your neighbour and help those in need, than spending 2.4 hrs of the day with him. Even Pharisees can spend 2.4 hrs a day with God effortlessly but they're still hell bound and so are you if you feel God needs you to spend 2.4hrs a day with him. This is so misleading!

Let the goal of your life as a Christian be love not heaven. Heaven is merely a byproduct of love. But most Christians believe they're fighting for heaven but they're neglecting their neighbours in need. They can never make heaven because they've placed the cart before the horse.

Grupo:
Chris Oyakhilome preached tithing aggressively and still divorced his partner.
Stale mate!

TV01:
……. - kkins25, the atheist, homsexualist, blasphemer, that is MuttleyLaffs alter-ego. Or, MuttleyLaff by another name

MuttleyLaff...kissing his own arse...rightly you are called ButtleyStraff

TV

kkins25:
are you knowledgeable enough to comprehend the scriptures? Are you better than the bible scholars whom have done nothing else than study the bible their entire life? Have you compared your version with original manuscript?

kkins25:
Aren't you also a "people" doing the same thing

kkins25:
What makes your version of the matter preferable to theirs? Why should i belief you and disregard other sects? Have you performed any miracle to verify your faith?

kkins25:
why should i take your own version as the truth?
After all to proof his claims your lord and personal saviour cured the sick, walked on water, etc. Kindly prove your version of Christianity is better than others.

kkins25:
Oh the ad hominems!!!

kkins25:
I've not claimed the jews agree on homosexuality. Never!!
I wonder why all these false churches as you claim do such things. After all they all read the same bible. Once again, it all boils down to interpretation bias.

kkins25:
Kkins25 has stated that he is not an atheist in the sense that atheist define themselves. I, my friend am atheist to the the concept of trinity, to the ideology by which common christians perceive God to be, to the concepts of heaven and hell, and other mudane beliefs carried on by common folks of Christianity.

MuttleyLaff:
The bible does not condemn homosexuality per se.

When uninformed people read their English version bible(s), I mean read it, especially without knowing certain or specific things beforehand, like about truth(s) trade and exchanged in for lies, they then for some reason, think that, what they read is how the Bible has always and originally said it. They read verses that the church is and has been using to condemn homosexuality when the Bible really hasnt condemned and doesn't condemn homosexuality at all in any of those seven clobber verses

The Bible never says/said committed, faithful, loving thats till death do part consensual adult same sex intimate behaviour is abominable. Anyone that tells you this, is borrowing a lie from the pit of hell.

MuttleyLaff:
There are enough, actually more than enough, scriptures like 1 Peter 2:17 above, where we see the Bible speak positively, albeit codedly of same sex attraction committed and faithful relationships.

OkCornel has scooted off

kkins25:
ogbenii, is Wikipedia an artificial intelligence? The words inscribes on it pages, aren't they written by humans? The article on Wikipedia is a summary of several other primary sources. But please let me burden you to tell me why Christian denominations are beginning to accept Homosexuality? The people who package that thing you call word of God are accepting homosexuals as commanded by God himself. See below
1st peter 2:17 Honor men of all sorts, have love for the whole association of brothers, be in fear of God, honor the king..

kkins25:
Facepalm. An eunuch is someone who has no sense of attraction to- or affection to/for the opposite sex which in these case is the female. * eunuch were mostly men who had lost their reproductive organs or capability. But the scripture- matt 19:21 as muttleylaff has superbly explained even though it fell on deaf ears informs us that some people may be born whose nature from birth defiles the normal way of life so to speak. I. E. They would naturally show no sexual desires for the opposite sex. Now, ask yourself whats the difference between an natural eunuch and a man who since he was born doesnt feel any attraction to females?
Do note that the definition i give is based on the description of the term in the afore mentioned bible verse.

kkins25:
no one is cheerleading anyone here. How does this comment help your argument?

kkins25:
if we go by your logic, christianity has failed that test a long time ago. When it invaded arabia, when it slaughtered women and children whom did not bow to the cross. What about today? Look at the evil perpetrated by prophets and pastors and their members alike. Your version of Christianity like other religions is a sham. Well, muttley's version is the evolved version im sure christ would be proud of.

kkins25:
Let it first be known that even jehova witness' have said to love homosexuals. Even though the witnesses agree that the bible condemns the act. (no scriptural backup though). So i ask you Tv01 and Shepherd00, how can you love your neighbor whom is a homosexual and hate homosexuality??

kkins25:
I do not subscribe to the laws of the bible. Confucius developed morality without any ten commandments or tablet.

kkins25:
Fedrick nietchze, thomas paine, leibenz all struck a dagger in the heart of God.
The entity which claimed to be God in the bible died a long time ago. His son was murdered on the cross and the holy spirit disappeared into nothingness.
If the so called laws of God in the old testament are laws of God, why were they abandoned in the new testament?.

kkins25:
I did not say the bible does not condemn homosexuality, i hinted that the debate would not end as the bible which is always subject to interpretation bias supports and condemn the act of homosexuality.

kkins25:
I, kkins25 also stated that muttleylaff was right when he said that, homosexuality wasn't the reason Sodom and gomorrah was destroyed. Wether you agree or not biblical scholars and even the jews(Gods chosen people) all agree with muttleylaff.

Shepherd00:
I went back to reading this thread all over again, I discovered that MuttleyLaff blindsided my posts like no tomorrow.

The ones he touches he dribbles over them then turn them to questions to me. He is doing the same to Okcornel

The guy is smart in a very negative way.