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EmperorHarry:
I totally understand what you saying.I'm only looking for verses that don't restrict homosexuality to having sex with the same gender.
This would mean that the bible condemns both the gay person and gay sex but from what I'm aware of it's just the sexual part cos individuals are abused and victimized for being gay but is it warranted?
Does emotional and romantic attraction towards the same sex mean that one should be put to death or in modern day condemned? Or is it when you are having sexual relations with the same sex that you warrant condemnation.

Just like you said to the OP,there is no way you can have an attraction which wont lead to sex!
Like i had said,homosexuality and its acts are condemned because it goes against the nature and plan of God who created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. God blessed them; and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” Genesis 1: 27-28 (NASB)

This is the very reason why God created MAN and WOMAN to not only freely enjoy sex but also reproduce!

Let your fountain be blessed,
And rejoice in the wife of your youth.
As a loving hind and a graceful doe,
Let her breasts satisfy you at all times;
Be exhilarated always with her love. Proverbs 5:18-19 (NASB)

However,i do not subscribe the part of abusing or putting to death of those who practice homosexuality and i out-rightly condemn those(whether believers or not) who torture and kill those who practice such acts!
You don't convert one who practices wrongful acts by abusing them or forcing them!

EmperorHarry:
Muttleylaff I have a question.
Does the Bible strictly condemn homosexuality or just sex between homos? Can you refer verses that don't suggest just the sexually related part of homosexuality.Verses that condemn homosexuality as a whole.
This is open to all.I just need to clarify something.

The bible TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY condemns homosexual acts which has already been shown by other participants in this thread!
Consensual or not isn't the case because what is wrong is wrong and there is no point trying to over flag the issues of SS union!

There are more than 25 verses in the bible that accepts,welcomes and institute a relationship or marriage of A MAN AND WOMAN which was validated by God who said in explicit terms......

That is why a MAN leaves his FATHER and MOTHER and is united to HIS WIFE, and they become one FLESH.
Genesis 2:24

and Jesus also reiterated and endorsed marriage between man and woman....

He answered, "Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them MALE and FEMALE, and said, 'Therefore a man shall leave his FATHER and his MOTHER and hold fast to HIS WIFE, and the two shall become one flesh'? So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate."
Matthew 19:4-6 (ESV)

However,there is NO SCRIPTURE that bears any semblance or proximity of an acceptance of homosexual acts be it consensual or not!

If someone says a section of homosexuality in this case loving and consensual couples are now permissible by God,there should be at least an instance or example of such couples in the scripture!

Ohh my God!
These kind of snakes are extremely venomous and to think there are many like that around can be really scary!

All the different regions in naija are fully represented!

If only there was a pedestrian bridge...?
If only the trailer was a bit cautious and not reckless...?
If only FRSC would start checking and seizing the licences of reckless drivers esp truck drivers in order to prevent these fatal incidents!
Chai i just hope i can forget what i just saw...

MuttleyLaff:
You are still incorrigble I am seeing. My very dear overzealous dedicated fan heckler, please for the umpteeth time, when and where did you ever read me type and say: "God said" hmm? Please I will crawl over broken bottles to see this proof or evidence of me that I according to you, I typed "God said"

You made a web of lies, that is why you couldnt bring any proof, but to only twist an innocent and matured healthy discussion that was going on between bloodofthelamb and I, that you latched on and only made a dog's dinner out of. You and Shepherd00 need to be careful.

You can chuckle uncontrollably, as much as you like, nobi you get mouth, but remember who chuckles uncontrollably last, chuckles uncontrollably the best.

"Tọrọ kobo kan to yọ, jẹdijẹdi kankan o le gba lọwọ mi", loosely translated means "hell will first freeze up, before you get to see that narrative in the Bible where SSA relationship was not minded"

Another comical response from muttleylaff.....
why is it that you cant avoid vomiting trash when you reply me?
You should have put your 'ignore mode' balderdash rather than spew more half-witted and insensate words that will land you in hot waters!

Is it today that I started offering proof to expose your horrible lies and evasive ploys,I have been exposing you before now but you stopped replying after I destroyed your nonsensical ego!

If I say I 'see' nothing wrong with what someone has done,does that not imply that this is my stance or what I have said?

If you are quoting someone as 'seeing' nothing wrong in an action,does that not indicate an acceptance from that person for such acts?

If you say God 'sees' nothing wrong with homosexual acts,doesn't that imply that this is his stance or better still his PRONOUNCEMENTS?

How are the two different Muttleylaff?

Why are you fruitlessly trying to complicate your own sentences?

Or are we going to turn this thread into an ENG 101 course for you?

Okay Muttleylaff, where in the scriptures does God SEE NOTHING WRONG WITH CONSENSUAL HOMOSEXUAL ACTS?


Allez-y mr prevaricator


Vous serez déjà figé par vos horribles mensonges

MuttleyLaff:
The fact you think its cool and acceptable to talk to a moG and God, in the way you do and continually have been doing, PROVES to me that satanism somewhere is involved. Please dont take it personal or insulting, it is just a honest observation made

Na God who said "I AM WHO I AM," you bin call homosexual god and you desecrate Him sotay, you even use a small "g" for Him, erhn Shepherd00? God, Whom bin say, is the God of everything and everybody. He is the God of all creation, so hmm, you dis nwanne Shepherd00, you wan use small hands, bin take big Hand upon yarself, right? OK oo, but when time reach, wey una go hear, when una go know say bamboo no be chewing stick, no call me ooo or bin look around for me ooo to help plead case on ya behalf for una ooo

You all are indecisive, shying away from the lies that the facts show that terms like porneia, arsenokoites, and malakoi/malakos have absolutely nothing to do with strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships, that you see as homosexuals.

"A bowl of vegetables with someone you love, is better than steak, with someone you hate."
- Proverbs 15:17

Shepherd00, you and the likes of TV01, openmine, Shepherd00 and OkCornel, are reluctant to thinking in a logical and sensible way that, an acceptable homosexual relationship in the Bible would be a faithful, committed, truthful, caring kind, love until death do part SSA relationships and be one void of a cheating partner, void of a partner that sleeps around, void of a lustful and covetous partner, void of an emotionally manipulative partner, void of a domestic violence abusive or cruel partner, void of a partner with sexual interest in prepubescent children, void of a partner sexually involved with a minor, kids or animal(s) etcetera.

I dont know where from, it comes and why the hatred for SSA persons, that are in a strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships

What is to be feared of SSA persons that are in a strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships?

What is scary, evil, bad and wrong in SSA persons, that are in a strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships, hmm?

You sure like to run even before learning how to, in this order, first learn to crawl, walk and stroll before this running business you naively are considering. You are not ready nor worthy yet, to know, who was in an acceptable homosexual relationship in the Bible Shepherd00

If you want to discus logic,make a thread that does not include scriptures because if you are expecting to use scriptures to justify your shaky stance on your hypothesis,you have failed woefully!

MuttleyLaff:
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tbh, I as usual, would have ignored this post, but in order to set the record straight and show how this poster keeps on failing to observe the limits of what is permitted and/or appropriate, I just have to do it with proofs and/or evidence, he has been unable to correctly present and correctly provide the URL link to fabricated lies he made about me, just in order for him to tarnish me and just as well to deceive others.

Openmine has a problem as you can see from the above screenshot in understanding the difference between "God sees" and "God said" The first screenshot display was from an interaction between bloodofthelamb and I, at 7:10am On Jun 07 2019, whilst the second screenshot was again between bloodofthelamb and I, but on another and later date at 5:06am On Jun 12 2019 . Everyone except openmine, can see and follow the context of the interaction between bloodofthelamb and I. People like openmine, make lawyers happy.

Can openmine now show me and all, where and when I said anything about "God said" huh? I just got tired of the Ignore Mode ON, I had to temporarily lift it, so to reiterate that, it is not like, as if, everything I type, can't be looked up in the Bible, if anyone wants to try prove me wrong. Do some research of your own, on everything you find me type on this thread, to find proof of what I am saying. Believers, should do heavy lifting too and dont be waiting, sitting and looking for other people to do work for them.

Why is openmine waiting for me, to show him passage(s) in the bible or quote from scriptures where homosexual acts or homosexual couples were permissible? Is that what this thread was set out to do ni?

I have been very generous, calm, accomodating, understanding, cool and OK about the persistent actions and cunning plans by various contributing posters, the likes of budaatum, TV01, openmine, Shepherd00 and OkCornel designed to turn this thread into another topic and issue other than deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union

His remark about "... an acclaimed researcher or author..." made me laugh. These are words said, typically to cover for one's own shortcomings, inferiority complex and inadequacy(ies). Do these his so called "an acclaimed researcher or author" have two heads? Arent they human beings just like everyone else ni?

I guess, openmine, also has not read the part of the Bible, in Psalms, that said "Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast perfected praise" God is no respecter of persons, He uses anyone, He uses fishermen, He uses unlearned people. God uses "non-acclaimed researcher or author" openmine

You still can silently leave this thread whenever it suits you, dont let anyone stop you, as the door is never closed or shut. It's going to always be left wide ajar open

You haven't been able to see any passage in the bible or quote from scriptures where homosexual acts or homosexual couples were permissible because you have been doing fairk all properly reading and correctly studying Bible, that's why openmine.

These are no pertinent questions that Op must do well to adequately respond to!. I owe you no pertinent questions. I am answerable to God and the genuine seeker(s) of the real truth. I did not open this thread up to suck up to yours or others whims and caprices. The minute you understand that, the better for all

Now "Ignore Mode ON" is temporarily off so we both can have a sane, meaningful, healthy and mature conversation. It is also off because I am in a happy mood, but it will pronto be activated and reverted, the moment you start again giving lip and/or making innuendos

Like I always say,Muttleylaff you talk too much and yet would want to try in vain to make sense out of your nonsensical write-ups as usual!

Oga,in simple terms,where in scriptures does God SEE nothing Untoward about a consensual homosexual act?


As for lifting your ignore mode claptrap,I chuckle uncontrollably because I knew nothing in form of scriptures could come out from from those lying fingers of yours!

Go back and read the back and forth between us and you will see your trail of lies that display a dishonest and deceitful guy who is hell-bent on trying in vain to twist words to sound half logical!

So its no longer 'God said' but now 'God sees'?

I laugh in tongues!

Like i have always said,one of the reasons why i was interested and graced this thread was due to the insistence of the OP that he has scriptures to prove God sees nothing UNTOWARD about a consensual homosexual relationship!

Now the problem i discovered is that the OP spent valuable time either disputing scriptures that explicitly condemning homosexuality or wantonly sidestepping very predominant questions that challenged his hypothesis!

One of the questions that have lacked any convincing responses or replies were scriptures that at-least had any kind of connection or proximity that will prove God see nothing untoward about homosexual relationship(whether consensual or not)
Most of the scriptures presented so far by OP which is Matthew 19:12(which was in reference to eunuchs) and Romans 8:1-2 has absolutely no correlation or near connectivity with God's acceptance of homosexual acts!

But lets just say that there were no scripture that had any connection with homosexuality,was there an instance of homosexuality being accepted in any of the scriptures or where God directly or indirectly welcomed or accepted any SS consensual union?

However,there are more than 20 scriptures where God welcomes,accepts and loves the union of a man and a woman!

Like i have told Muttleylaff,if his postulations(Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union) were based on some logic from an acclaimed researcher or author,i would have silently left this thread because such has been debated ad infinitum!
But Op said his postulations were based on scriptures because he said and i quote......

MuttleyLaff:
God SEES NOTHING UNTOWARD in consensual adult homosexuality, homosexuals/lesbians and/or same sex attraction and union(s), especially one that is in, a kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, not harmful and committed life long until death do them part relationships

If God said so according to OP,why is it 'next to impossible' for OP to find any scripture that has any semblance or proximity to what was said above?

Why haven't we been able to see any passage in the bible or quote from scriptures where homosexual acts or homosexual couples were permissible?


These are pertinent questions that Op must do well to adequately respond to!
No long story,no puerile dispose and no prevarication!

omokoginimi:
My conclusion, ALL IS VANITY

It can only result into vanity if one spends their entire life not reaching their true potential or not being a source of motivation or inspiration to others!

Someone is going to get squashed today

Dear friend, your world is not the world, what the world says you need may be different from what you really need.

Don’t conform to the world, experience your transformation and manifestation by focusing on your world, meditate on your purpose and journey daily, then you will easily recognise great encounters when they show up.

If you conform to the world you will miss it, if you focus on your world you won’t miss it because all you need are in it already, important encounters; don’t miss the next one.

Muyiwa Afolabi
Frankly Speaking
http://www.muyiwaafolabi.com/today-on-frankly-speaking-your-encounters/

But maybe what you really need in your world is one of your old lecturer as mentor, an employment in a small one-man business, a childhood friend, a skill and not academic qualifications, a gift, a talent, a particular book, a radio program like this one, your spouse, an old colleague, a neighbour, your poor aunt, your driver, your security guard and one random person you meet on the bus.

You see these people may hold the keys to your big breakthrough and opportunity, you don’t know who they know or are related to, so you dismiss them because according to the world, they don’t matter much but if you’re conscious of your world, you will suddenly realize all the people and opportunities you need to manifest great glory are already in your world.

Transformation is the power and journey to manifestation, you can’t be transformed if you do not renew your mindset with the right information, the right people and experiences required for your glory to burst forth.

The world tells you, you need a particular course, a master’s degree abroad, a Ph.D., a professional certification, a job in a particular industry, to marry into a particular family, a rich husband, a political appointment, to travel abroad or move with some people to succeed.

In fact, the world tells you it’s your dad, your mum, that rich uncle a relative or best friend that will bring about your manifestation.

You see, all we need to excel and succeed in life is not all within us, many things are around us. Through our journey, the materials we need, we do encounter everyday but because we are not focused on our world but conforming to the world we miss very vital materials.

You see, every day you encounter the people you need, the opportunities you need and the lessons you need to excel in your world but you can’t even see or recognise them because you’re conforming to the world, not focusing on your world.

Every day you have encounters; encounters are unplanned and unexpected meetings with people and situation you surely need in fulfilling your purpose in order to manifest your glory. But you can’t recognise these encounters and sadly, you miss them.

You see, the setting of your mind must be according to your own world in purpose and mission and not the whole world.

If you think the world, you can’t succeed, it’s too big for you, it’s beyond what you can comprehend but if you think your own world, you’re designed to comprehend, understand and deliver that one; so you’ll succeed.

When you focus on your own life in thought and meditation; visualising your journey and meditating daily on how to navigate and succeed, you will experience a transformation in your experience. How will this be you may ask?

Unfortunately, many people today can’t comprehend their own world, understand their own world; take charge of their own purpose, assignment and mission in this life because they have conformed to the world.

The see the world as their world, unfortunately, the world is much too complex for them to function by so they become victims of the world and lose control over their own world and life.

When you conform to this world and its ways and standards, you cannot manifest your own life and purpose because it comes through a mind-set.

If your mind is set by the world you can’t fulfill your purpose, but if your mind is set by your own world in purpose and mission in life what you begin to experience is not conforming but a transformation.

If you know your purpose clearly and understand your assignment completely and you’re diligently pursuing that purpose, there is a strong persuasion you would carry in your spirit about your duration in life.

You would just know you cannot die because your work is not complete. No matter what goes on around in the world, you would know it cannot tamper with your world because your job is not yet done and your time is not over yet.

This is simply because even though the world is all linked and interwoven, your world is independent of the world and because things are happening to others it does not mean it would happen to you. Your destiny, and calling is independent, not in collaboration with anyone.

You however have the power and ability to comprehend your world and your life. This is made possible by what is called your inner witness, intuition, gut feel to sense your purpose, your place, your assignment and your field.

Your natural gifts and talents further affirms the correctness of what you feel in your subconscious about why you’re here and what you should be doing.

Knowing your purpose, developing the vision and articulating your mission in duration in the power of your inner witness or gut feel is powerful enough to suggest even how long you would sojourn on earth.

There is a big difference between ‘what is this life about’ and ‘what is my life about?’ Too many dwell mentally on what the world is about and not what there world is about.

By design, no human being has the power or capacity to comprehend and interpret the whole world in its complexities and dynamics. It’s beyond human mental capacity. Only the almighty God understands in details the world he created and runs.

There are views, philosophies, concepts and ideologies conceived and propagated by many about what this life is about for many centuries.

Many conclusions are marked by the inability of mankind to fully understand life and its complexities.

Why disasters, happen, why good things happen for bad people and bad things happen to good people, sicknesses, diseases, wars, discrimination, wickedness, greed, confusion, inventions, discoveries, innovations, creativity, knowledge, leadership, institutions, principles and philosophies, relationships, procreation and continuity of life.

We keep pondering and wondering not so sure we would ever fully comprehend this life and its ways, so we play along trusting and believing it would deliver for us, the very best it holds. Hope and positive expectations remain the anchors of our journey through this life.

This analogy would sit well visualising the world from a broader spectrum; trying to comprehend life from a generic stand point.

A different way to look at life is from an individualistic point of view, which I believe is the most powerful stand view and mental positioning in matters of life and living.

Our perspective on and about life most times influence our decisions, choices, actions and results in life. How you see the world, the way you see your life determines the successes or otherwise you’re likely to accomplish through your journey.

What kind of view should one hold as far as life is concerned? How should one see the world in general and he or her world?

You see, many of us see this life the way it’s been painted to us by the people around us. Many hold views based on media exposure; what you saw on TV, heard on the radio, read on the internet and so on. Others hold strong views about life based on their faith and religious convictions. And very many people hold on to views about life based on their immediate environment and personal experiences.

Hmmm, ‘life, life sha, this life’, are common remarks we make when something important occurs either positively or negatively. For instance, when there is sudden death of someone we know and we believe is premature, remarks such as there is nothing in this life, all is vanity, this life is not worth it’

On the contrary, when something interesting, exciting, great and rewarding happens, you hear statements like ‘life is beautiful’ hmmm.

Shepherd00:
He ran out of steam? What happened?

He may have other new commitments......
Seems the normal naija preoccupation caught up with him!

Shepherd00:
Can I have the link to where I can also download his audios?

Thanks.

Check for "Audio Version Click" on different messages!
Only those messages have audio links!

Shepherd00:
Mr Muyiwa Afolabi can wake the dead. His words are strong and piercing. What a man!.

I'm glad he's a Christian.

Have been listening to his motivational audio messages on raypower for some years now....just so pained that he is no longer writing something new on his blog or being aired on raypower anymore!

Shepherd00:
Lol. But who says you can't be like him?

Thanks for the link.

Noooh just giving honour to whom its due....I had to download most of his messages in audio just to listen always!
When I don't see the audio,I just read the messages at his blog.

Shepherd00:
Are you this guy or you follow him? I want to also follow him.

i am not ohh
Just inspired by his words and motivational voice messages!
Let me give you the link!
http://www.muyiwaafolabi.com/blog/

chai

Bro i know its not easy sha esp considering the fact that she dumped you due to financial reasons!
However,if you have a spare cash that wont affect,you just give it to her not because of who she was to you but because you will be helping out some one in need!
The most satisfying revenge is watching how someone who once dumped you due to finances is the one that you are offering financial assistance to!
Now that can be so humiliating!

Na today una know?
smh

what??

Its still an allegation!