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MuttleyLaff:
Explain to me, what particularly is the act that bugs you, what act gangan have you got beef with and why specifically do you have been with it or why it bugs you?

Bros your latest post is to be quite honest unnecessary!
Whatever bugs me about homosexuality is the case here!

I need the scriptures that specifically states that God supports and allows homosexual acts from you!

The intentions of homosexuality whether good or bad is inconsequential!

Just show me where God permits homosexuality!
Thank You!

MuttleyLaff:
Are you trying to deny that Leviticus 20:13 and her sister Leviticus verse, along with others in NT have nothing to do with consensual adults in faithful, loving etcetera same sex relationships huh?

MuttleyLaff
You made an assertion that God loves homosexuals!
The first thing you were supposed to do is make your submissions and your proofs so that it gets easier to comprehend!
You are even supposed to counter our scriptures with superior scriptures, instead you kept using your own logic and at times, sentiments to pathetically and fruitlessly prove your assertions!

I have done my part by providing scriptures... at least you won't accuse me of that!
However,I can't say the same about you!
If you have the scriptures, bros,state it clearly!
This whole grama and lately,manipulative path taken by you won't fly!
Either you have scriptures or you don't have it!
We are not here for e-fight but to learn and also make corrections!

MuttleyLaff:
I have provided enough scriptures and explained in my post how what you believe in are deliberate lies and falsehoods
There is nothing wrong anywhere and God hasn't, never and didn't say anything is wrong with gays.

Shame on you for cursing, what God has not cursed.

Are you trying to deny that Leviticus 20:13 and her sister Leviticus verse, along with others in NT have nothing to do with consensual adults in faithful, loving etcetera same sex relationships huh?

Please where are the scriptures?
If you have them,provide them here for all to see!
Not twists or evasion!
Your constant one line repetitions does not in any way stop you from proving that God supports homosexuals!


Curse?
If you are saying God supports such acts,you are also saying he loves such acts too!
Be reminded that its only what you love that you permit!

So bro I don't like stories or long grama!
Just prove me wrong by showing me scriptures where God permits,allows and loves homosexual acts!

The joke is on you!

MuttleyLaff:
I have exposed your lies and misinterpreted verses you clobber homosexuals with. You ignore context but put content on head like a shrimp, strutting your hollier than thou self, believing that homosexuals are human beings with mental disorder etcetera. Shame on you.

The shame is directly pointed at you because while I have proven just like most of the participants, scripturally that God never supports or permits homosexuals, you are still trying to get evasive,manipulative and insulting....and to make matters worse,you are still yet to provide scriptures to prove your submissions!


Like I said earlier,prove your assertions with scriptures or be silent and stop spread lies about our father and God!

Am still trying to wonder how hard it is to back you claims with scriptures!

MuttleyLaff:
You judge by demonising faithful, trusting, caring, homosexual acts in a loving relationship.

You are the liar, not God, lying about everything including lying against me, saying what the Bible hasn't said, and saying what I too haven't said. You will answer to God for all these and for your hating.

What evil is there in homosexual acts that is in a faithful caring, trusting, loving relationship between two consenting adults openmine huh?

Wrong bro!
What is wrong is wrong no matter how you paint it!
A goat will always be a goat!
A dog will always bark like a dog!
An eagle will always soar like an eagle no matter how you want to make it look like a chicken!

Whatever manipulation or sentiments you try to implore will never take away the fact that,based on scriptures, such acts no matter the intentions will never and can never be right!

You cannot steal and still justify the reason why you stole!
You can't have sex with your neighbours wife simply because the husband does sexually satisfy her!

But you know what?

I will gladly allow you offer scriptures and corresponding ones that prove that God permits or supports "homosexual acts that is in a faithful caring, trusting, loving relationship"!!

I await your rebuttal with scriptures!

MuttleyLaff:
If I am really bro to you, then please stop twisting my words, stop misrepresenting and stop misquoting me. Stop saying things I have never said, stop putting words in my mouth. I never said anyone has a problem with but said what Shepherd00 problem is, which it looks like you share with him.

Let me make all this easy for you, as I am a fair, generous and accommodating person hmm? Why don't you state what my submissions are and state how according to scripture and to you, I am wrong.

Is God, not love, is God not in where love abides hmm openmine, if yes, then, what is your problem erh, why are you demonising this kind of love, huh? Why are you cursing, what God has not cursed?

Am not twisting your words....or do you want me to make it easier for you to comprehend your own submissions?
Were you not the one who said God doesnt see anything wrong with homosexuals?

Does that not imply according to you,that God permits and allows such acts?

So where did I twist your very words?

Rather its you that has an issue trying to buttress your points with scriptures and using long posts to cover up your obvious lack of scriptures to back your claims!

You are still being evasive and trying so hard to manipulate me into answering your own questions based on your earlier submissions!
What you are doing is clearly being rhetorical!

I also can't point anything out of your submissions because you are yet to provide scriptures to prove your assertions!

Its only when I get your own scriptures proof that God permits or allows homosexuals,that I will make my points known to you!

MuttleyLaff:
The problem with you, openmine and possibly others, is you both and them, having trouble reading sentences more than 3-6 lines.

This is evidenced in that though I've already numerous times in the past answered your question in the affirmative, I also recently, as in my post today, advance the information that some people are born gay.

Bro what what trouble do you think we have with you?
Am confused....Is it the fact that you cant provide scriptures to back your claims or is it that hard to find?
I took my time to go through your rebuttals,and not one gave any evidence or proved that your submissions are right ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES!
At the risk of sounding like a broken record,bro MuttleyLaff you said you had stone wall proof from the bible to substantiate your claims about homosexuality!
You even went further by stating (though erroneously or intentionally) that God PERMITS or if i may be literal,he loves such acts as he would love a believer do God's work!
Now as preposterous as this may sound from a believer,i patiently welcomed a submission hoping i would see something i haven't seen from the scriptures...instead,i see a brother trying in vain to rewrite or twist straightforward and explicit scriptures that prove once again that our lord almighty is against such shameful acts!

Like i have said for the umpteenth time,please provide scriptures to prove God LOVES homosexual acts....Thats the only play you have right now! No twists or being rhetorical or plenty words that go no where!

Like someone rightly said,just hit the nail on the head!

However if you keep insisting on this evasive and rhetorical repetitions,then i will conclude you have nothing to say about your submissions!

did he make use of an external pc(cybercafe) or his own person pc?
If it was from an external pc,then its either the pc uses a keylogger software or the system was not protected esp against hackers or he used a browser that automatically stores his atm digits and someone used it!

Secondly,if it was a personal pc,is he sharing his pc with someone?
Is his system protection updated?
What kind of antivirus or internet security does he use?
Does he store usernames and passwords information on his pc?

These are the basic questions he should first ask himself before taking the matter beyond the bank!

MuttleyLaff:
Did you, by any chance, read ALLthe sections where I mentioned Paul at all?

Before you start going on as many translations, you want to embark on, have you studied the historical and biblical context of Leviticus 20:13 at all, hmm? You are saying what the Bible never said, hasn't said and didn't say with how you are interpreting Leviticus 20:13 brother.

bro MuttleyLaff the scriptures i provided is as clear as daylight and are in sync with the scriptures in romans,corinthians and timothy...you yourself agreed that these scriptures had "connections" to each other!

Whether you wish to look for the historic or biblical context is delving deeper into another e-war which i will not succumb to!
The scriptures are clear and rather than oppose them,offer superior scriptures to prove that they are not true or better still buttress your own points by offering scriptures to back your claims that God permits "men to have se.x with men"!

I repeat...the purpose of even coming to this thread or making a comment was because you told me you had scriptures to prove that God permitted homosexual acts ....Please do well to provide such scriptures rather than going round in circles and resorting to rhetorics!

MuttleyLaff:
Please stop this shenanigan crafty games you are playing. You and your clique claim God hates homosexuals and detests the homosexuality acts isn't it? I have painstakingly enumerated how this lie has been perpetrated. I have presented facts, facts that can be verified and fact checked to see if what I type were incorrect.

Just this week, the Pope, has put forward that part of the Lord's prayer in the Bible, should be changed. Well that is yet another mistake and mistranslation he is trying to correct.

Bury your head in the sand, stick to your guns, and hold your foot in the ground, it's no concern to me, if the truth is too harsh for your eyes to see it. I'll soon be shaking off the dust of my slippers concerning you.

See am neither in any clique or in nor way trying to play games!
This is a serious issue and i dont joke with such!
I also dont have time for too much words!
You made a thread in order to PROVE WITH RELEVANT SCRIPTURES why God permits 'men having sex with men'!
Instead of countering the submissions of others,you should have created this thread with your first submissions outlining quite clearly where God allowed SS unions....or isn't that why you created the thread ab initio?

MuttleyLaff:
PART 3 CONTINUED FROM ABOVE. I HAD TO SPLIT INTO 3 PARTS, AS WAS TOLD POST IS TOO LONG

OK, TV01, Shepherd00 and maybe openmine as well, now, the $64,000 question is, stating clearly and in detail, leaving no room for confusion or doubt, what correctly, in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, is the committed abomination that was being done before God, hmm?
(i.e. what correctly and pato, in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, is the thing that was done, that God hates and/or detests?)

None of you guys, not even bigshot TV01, with all that his big chutzpah, ever answers those question(s)

There is nothing bogus in my purview, but what is bogus, is the deception and lies you learned and strongly come to believe.

How you've given in to the false appearance(s) from the genuine and the false impression different to the true meaning of the text and words in Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9 and/or 1 Timothy 1:10. The truth about the text and words, in Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9 and/or 1 Timothy 1:10 have being exchanged and traded for a lie(s) that so are misleading the saints.

When uninformed people read their English version bible(s), I mean read it, especially without knowing certain or specific things beforehand, like about truth(s) trade and exchanged in for lies, they then for some reason, think that, what they read is how the Bible has always and originally said it. They read verses that the church is and has been using to condemn gays when the Bible really hasnt condemned and doesn't condemn gays at all in any of those seven clobber verses

This thread will deconstruct the lies and shake the table that the discriminative myth of consensual adult homosexuality and unjust intolerance of consensual adult same sex union are standing on

I want to challenge people to fact check. With a presence of mind, reader(s) should investigate all I type, write or advance, in order to verify the facts, as I present them

As I've previously mentioned, the word "homosexuality" was not around in Biblical times and the word "homosexual" was invented in 1868

It is Karl-Maria Kertbeny, in Germany, who originally and/or previously used the word homosexual, when he coined and introduced it first, in a private letter written in 1868 to a friend, Karl Heinrich Ulrichs

Subsequently the first known appearance of the term homosexual in print appeared in an German pamphlet written by same Karl-Maria Kertbeny the following year in 1869

Another interesting to know, is that the original Greek word in the Bible (i.e. "arsenokoites'') that has now been adopted as meaning homosexual is actually a translation from the result of combining of two words "arsen" and "koites" which literally means "man and beds"

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 and 1 Timothy 1:8-11 are the only two times, in the Bible's entire history, that the word "arsenokoites" is used and seen

It would be exciting to know, why Paul, in 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10, when inventing this word "arsenokoites", where in his construct, he used man, in singular and then used beds, in plural. Never mind, I'll tell you why and keep you out of misery. It had to do with Paul, talking about and/or against infidelity, promiscuity, philandering, hopping from one bed to another bed, having multiple and/or casual sexual relationships, having affair(s), screwing around etcetera

Man thinks he has given a witty response. SMH. At least from this your reply, there is nowhere in the Bible nor anywhere that God condemns same sex union

"Ayama" loosely translated means "rubbish". Oga abeggy, comot for jor ojaare. Pitifully responded to and not beautifully, is more like it and what I would rather admit to. "Shebi o mọ iwe, shebi o kawe", loosely translated means "you know book now, you know how to read books now", then just keep on reading sha, and get ready to be snapped back to reality and the real world.

ThothHermes, why is it that TV01 hates answering simple easy direct straightword questions, hmm? Is until you get on his case before he will answer this now, just like he dilly dallied the other time until you pulled him to attention, erh?

I grinned too, except mine was actually a grin of disappointment at your feeble reply that's without aplomb, especially when in a demanding situation like this one

I actually literally laughed out loud at that part of your reply, that said: "it pollutes the land"

How do you mean that:"The acts are forms or worship and a gateway for demonic activity"

I asked this comedian a question about context, biblical and historical context, that is, but he ignored the question and refused to address it. No problem, that is not going to stop anything. I have given 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10 a mention and commented on them, so lets now start on Romans 1 too now.

As we can see, that TV01, in order to more likely obfuscate, rather than enlighten, TV01 volunteers the whole of Romans 1, as evidence, knowing fully well that Romans 1 is a book with a total of 32 verses. What a very crafty person, TV01 is behaving that way, isnt he?

Anyway, that wouldnt stop us forging on with this thread, as judging by the context of Romans 1, the evidence is there, that idolatry and with fertility gods, lust, temple sex, temple prostitution and promiscuous sex are the subject matter of the chapter. Idolatry and with fertility gods, lust, temple sex, temple prostitution and promiscuous sex matter are dealt with in that Romans 1 chapter and it really is important, to note that, all of these concerns, would be equally as sinful, whether heterosexual or homosexual in nature.

Textual context cannot be divorced entirely from biblical context, so Paul with and/or in Romans 1 chapter, was in fact, talking of those going to the fertility temples of the day, to indulge in sex orgies and some engaging in ritual sex under the guise to get divine blessings and was not anywhere in that chapter criticizing consensual SS attraction and SS relationships adults or declaring them to be wrong or evil. This fact will be shocking for some, and be too much of a bitter pill, that they can not easily swallow, even if that does occurs, it will cause them indigestion like nothing they've ever had before.

By three methods we may learn wisdom, I've heard people say. First by reflection which is noblest, second, by imitation which is simplest, third by experience which is the bitterest, so for those objecting to and/or opposing the facts, I write it off for the naysayers as a life experience and getting education.

"No Israelite, whether man or woman, may become a temple prostitute."
- Deuteronomy 23:17

There were even male shrine prostitutes in the land;
the people engaged in all the detestable practices of the nations the LORD had driven out before the Israelites.
- 1 Kings 14:24

Committed, faithful, honest, lasting life time same sex relationships have been there from time immemorial TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr etcetera, and Paul wasnt in Romans 1, 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 ranting about that at all, at all.

What Paul was ranting about in Romans 1, 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 was the infidelity, promiscuity and the cult practice of having sex with patrons as a form of deity worship. This custom was rampant and happened in the Old Testament in the lands before the Israelites arrived too.

We all know Leviticus 20:13 is Leviticus 18:22 and vice versa, but not all, I mean the likes of TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr know or realise that, Paul actually re-echoed Leviticus 20:13 and Leviticus 18:22 with 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 and know that the problem Paul was addressing with Romans 1, 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 isnt and/or wasnt about same sex relationships with fidelity but it was something else entirely different to that, which has again reared its head with the Gentile

There is this strong common thread going through Leviticus 20:13, 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 and it ties them together but it eludes the most astute. Peoples perception of this matter isnt what they think and learned it to be.

So what is happening and/or what happened in Romans 1:25-28?
Well, for your information TV01, Sheherd00, openmine, silite3 and others, Romans 1:18-32, especially verses 24, 26 & 27 is a rehash of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, like I've probably already mentioned, but with a twist

Paul, with Romans 1:18-32, especially verses 24, 26 & 27, is echoing what happened around when Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 were given. He then added the twist (i.e. Romans 1:26b: ... [b]for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature) which is, the women too, have joined to be participants in the ongoing "detestable customs practised". It essentially was like Deja Poo The feeling that Paul has "seen" and read this crap happen before way in the Canaan-Israelites days, but now in double force.

The remedy, the first step to realign, to shake off the lies, will be, for staters, to review 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9, and look into what[/b] "malakois" and "arsenokoites" really means. I strongly advise the likes of TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr etcetera to do just that, instead of opting to alternatively plastering their opinions and beliefs here, as opposed the truth and real meaning of those words.

The epiphany of what the "the detestable customs that were practiced" in Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 were, will sooner or later occur, after the reviews.

It is an insufferable practice for God to bear and that's why God voiced His disapproval over the detestable custom being practised

It is the only ONE reason, that this sexual sin, that this particular sexual immorality, is condemned as committing abomination unto God
whilst other sexual sins or other sexual immoralities like, adultery in Leviticus 20:10, incest in Leviticus 20:11-14 or bestiality in Leviticus 20:15, escape the mention to be condemned as an abomination unto God or as one thing, God dislikes intensely

TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr etcetera, there are so many other places, in the bible about this satanic ritual, sex orgy and detestable custom being practised, a few case in points, like Deuteronomy 23:17 and 1 Kings 14:24, are mirror versions of Paul's 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 and 1 Timothy 1:10, where God, said, He so much, disliked intensely, the practice.

To those, getting very well tuned in to this frequency, there is evidence of homosexual(s), during Jesus times, building "church" for the Israelites. There is evidence of homosexual(s), during Jesus time seeking Him. There is evidence of Jesus engaging with homosexual(s) and not for a single moment minded or be bothered about that. Where is the evidence of Jesus objecting to adult consensual same sex couples having a romantic faithful caring and loving relationship until death do them apart etcetera, hmm?

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What you've repeatedly done is to continually make extraordinary lies, because unlike what you, TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr etcetera believe, God never said homosexuality and/or homosexuals per se, was or is an abomination. Shepherd00 had been regurgitating and parrotting this belief, almost all over this thread, living up to the saying, that when the cat is not about, the mouse takes it upon itself to have fun and a field day

People like TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr etcetera have being parrying, dodging, sidestepping questions and/or give asked questions, a wide berth. None of them seems able nor capable to respond. They each and all act, in an evasive ways, when explicitly and clearly, asked, easy, simple, sensible, straightforward and direct pointed questions, like about,
1/ Why did God say "homosexuality" is an abomination?
2/ What is the reason why God found allegely "homosexuality" detestable?
3/ What is detestable about adult consensual same sex couples having a romantic faithful caring and loving relationship until death do them apart etcetera?

All and each questions of the three above questions should have been given outright answers, which could be: respond with details, respond with yes, no or I dont know, but what do we see, read or get as responses? Nada, nothing or at worst just proof-texting and doing gra-gra upadan the forum like TV01 and Shepherd00 do. They dont know it is the same historical reason, background and circumstances why God in Leviticus 19:28, was against tatooing, but like in a classic and typical sheeple style and way, hook line and sinker, just believe that, tatooing per se, is a sin. SMH.

Posters like TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr etcetera like dropping words, like "perversion" and/or "abomination" to sound big, but asking them why and how "homosexuality" is wicked, is an abomination, is perversion, becomes inexplicably for them to do or answer

They fancifully just drop and use the word "abomination", like as if they're well informed to know the context of how the word originally was used, when in actual fact dont u,nderstand and know.

Well, this thread is already long as it is, so that is why, I have just ordinarily pasted and left the above screenshot there, just for TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr etcetera, to stare at and be scratching their heads at too. Anyone interested in wanting to know more on it, should just holler, because even if you know a thousand things, the right is, to ask the man who knows, the one thing you don't know about

There is a lot more in this tank, I still havent scratched the surface, I havent delved into this thing and matter properly at all, all because Shepherd00 finds long posts to be dizzying. Besides, the portal had alreadt auto warned me that this post is too long, thus making me adjust and reduce it. Posters like Ranchhoddas, God bless him, for snapping at me with his interjecting caustic and irritable comments, that just humbles me. "Ni ile aiye, ka sha ma shey daada" loosely translated means "lets just be doing and saying good in this world we are living in" Though I still love you Ranchhoddas, I should be taking back that earlier given "oti sewọn" chilled cold bottle of orijin and a truckload of kolanuts.

My hands are tied for now to continue and go on. I will return whatever serve TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, etcetera brings and possibly might even up the ante a bit. You know maybe, go into the deep end, to increase what is at stake or widen the scope under discussion. So if you dont know how to swim or dont have a life-jacket, just stay on the thread, only be reading and not comment or contribute like sensible jesusjnr, solite3 and others like him do.

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Watch some people, like TV01 and Shepherd00, in particular, are just a glutton for punishment,
so look out for them, as they gung-ho come back, and get punished more for their gluttony
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Yet again i took my time to go through your posts though long....
However,I believe the scriptures both old and new are explicit about the acts
It doesn't matter when the word homosexual was coined out
when a man is intimate sexually with a man as he would do to a woman,he is in the present engaging in homosexual acts!

Leviticus 20:13 The Message (MSG)
13 “If a man has sex with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is abhorrent. They must be put to death; they are responsible for their own deaths.

Romans 1:27
27 In the same way, men stopped having natural sex with women and began wanting each other all the time. Men did [b]shameful things with other men, and in their bodies they received the punishment for those wrongs.[/b]

I could bring up different translation for this verse,however,what makes this scripture very clear and direct is the fact that such acts are unnatural and shameful before God!

Bro,you only countered their scriptures which to me wasn't good enough to justify the homosexual acts,however,its your reponsibility as an advocate of homosexuality to show with scriptures where homosexuality is permitted by God!

God through paul said its unnatural and shameful,you think and believe otherwise...now show with scriptures that God permits the act of "men having sex with men"!

MuttleyLaff:
For the sake of crying out loud, in light of the 3-section long lengthy reply I made, could you please provide when and where, in scriptures, God said He hates homosexuals or detests homosexual acts in per se.

Bro see to be honest i dont feel your back and forth which you are trying to do!
First,you created this thread TO PROVE WITH SCRIPTURES that God does not hate homosexual acts!
Now you made some assertions that you didn't prove with the scriptures...hence,i asked you where God explicitly allows homosexual acts and you throw the question back to me....does that make sense?
You said God does not hate homosexual acts and allows such...now use the scriptures to show where such is allowed by God!
Isn't that why you created the thread in the first place? smh

MuttleyLaff:
PART 2 CONTINUED FROM ABOVE. I HAD TO SPLIT INTO 3 PARTS, AS WAS TOLD POST IS TOO LONG

I hope you can see why I patiently and painstakingly are trying to smoke out you out in to the open, hmm? I am trying to get a wrist hold of you, trying to get you pinned down so you dont escape, but you are doing a good work, still hiding and holding other bible verses back. Never mind, we can work with these three scriptures you've relunctantly volunteered, I mean, Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10. The other four, you left out, which are Genesis 19, Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13 and Jude 6-7, I will deal with them, when and/or as soon as you decide to bring them up

What you dont know, is that, I not only mounted this dragon beast, rode and tamed it, but I also, slayed it too, then after killing it, I dissected it, to find out what the dragon beast's been feeding on, this is how I got to know, with the help of the Holy Spirit so much about this subject matter.

None of the Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10 verses, as in, not anywhere in them, outlined your claimed openly and alleged grievously sinful nature of homosexual acts. It is a big fat lie TV01, that Romans 1 reference to acts as against nature and a hallmark of judgement against a people, as they utterly rebel against the will of God and are subsequently “given-over” had anything to do with faithful loving consensual SS attraction and SS relationships adults

I hope to gradually go on unremittingly with this exposé. I am not going to be forced or intimidated to be quick or to hurry. Mind all, it is when someone screams at me to hurry up, that I then slow down, to go over what I've already so far typed or written, so let it be known that I am not in a hurry to do this, a gentleman, afterall, is never in a hurry.

What I need is a rapt audience. I just want readers to pay complete attention to every ounce of this exposé and/or be completely involved in it all. Everything I type is facts only. They all can be verified and fact-checked

Now, before, tackling these TV01 et al Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10 verses, let's just first, lay down some pertinent, "for your information(s)" (i.e. fyi)
1/ From time immemorial, same sex attraction and/or same sex relationship always make up, less than 5% of worldwide population, so has never being and wont ever be a threat to anything or anyone, just as infertiles of all sorts arent.
2/ God never said he hated homosexual(s) or homosexual acts per se, so please if you believed this, stop lying to yourself and stop deceiving others with your crass ignorance.
3/ If you are adamant, then show me in the Bible where God outrightly said he hates homosexuality, homosexual or homosexual acts per se and be prepared to clearly, cleanly and correctly defend it
4/ The words, homosexuality and homosexual are not in the original texts of the Bible
In fact, the words homosexuality and/or homosexual, actually are words that's barely 200 years old.
The word "homosexual" was invented in 1868, and the word "homosexuality" certainly was not around in Biblical times
Another fact, is that, the word "homosexual" was first printed in a German book in 1869, and then after placed in the German Bible in 1946 and later then in the English bible in 1950s.
5/ God has never had any objection to the homosexuality act of my purview
6/ It is glaring, except if in denial, what the meaning of Paul's "malakois" and "arsenokoites" used in 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 translated to "homosexual" ( or homosexual acts in 1946 and 1950s are
7/ If you know, you know, that there is no sin grading. No sin, except for the one against the Holy Spirit, is bigger than any other sin. If you're sinful, you are a sinner. Period and that's all, even if the occassional lies, white lies and all too. So even, if same sex attraction were to a be a sin, thank God it isnt, then stop being like a lot of inexcusable people on this thread, looking and pointing at the speck, in a brother's eye, but failing to notice, the beam log in their own hollier than thou eye.
8/ Greed, covetousness, and lust are improper homosexual and heterosexual desires and/or faults that when acted upon not only leads to prostitution, adultery, fornication, lewdness, promiscuity etcetera but equally is at a detriment to, betrayal of or cheating on another or other person(s) whom love, faithfulness, commitment, honesty, lasting that's life-long and loyalty was professed to whilst in a relationship, that's same sex or otherwise
9/ There's a lot of things when you read in the Bible you have to know what you're reading about, know the context, the history of it and the customs of the land and so you know what these words, like in #6 etcetera originally means
10/ All the scriptures, that most Christians, whatnot or otherwise, the likes of TV01, elated177, jesusjnr, shepherd00, solite3, Goshen360, openmine, alBHAGDADI, VBCampaign, Ubenedictus, ujnwachukwu, Image123, Ranchhoddas, ThothHermes, kkins25 etcetera use to condemn consensual SS attraction and SS relationships adults, do not talk about consensual SS attraction and SS relationships adults at all.
11/ The word sodomite, historically and originally, was never and is not another word for consensual SS attraction and SS relationships adults (i.e. not gays or homosexual). The word sodomite, from the on set, as in the Bible, is a word originally meant for a male temple prostitute(s) and never the definition of consensual adults same sex couples, that are in a kind, trusting, caring, loving, faithful, no harm done to each other or any other person and committed life long, until death do them apart relationships (i.e. gays)
so be a good idea to understand the
12/ In Paul's day there were at least, 17 words in Greek that Paul could have used to talk about gays if he wanted to say gay is sin but instead of using any of those already existing 17 Greek words, Paul invented and coined a new Greek word, "arsenokoites", it is the word I have been mentioning up above. Now for the attention of my lovely two brothers TV01 and Shepherd00, Paul in Romans 1:18-32, especially verses 24 & 27 is echoing what happened around when the pronouncement Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 were made and/or given
13/ Bearing in mind, that, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 and 1 Timothy 1:8-11 are the only two times, in the Bible's entire history, that the word "arsenokoites" is used and seen. Now TV01, Shepherd00, openmine and others, dont you think, it would be exciting to know, why Paul, in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 and 1 Timothy 1:8-11, when inventing this word "arsenokoites", that, in his construct, he used, man (i.e. arseno- or arsen-) as in, singular and then used beds, (i.e. koites), as in plural, hmm? Has the penny dropped yet, erh?
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Firstly,you made out too many words without even using scriptures to substantiate your claims!
For instance,You said God likes homosexual acts but you never provided scriptures to show where he does or where he allows such...rather you are trying to prove fruitlessly why the scriptures provided by others are invalid when in fact they are more than explicit for one to see no matter the analogy that you involve!
You said God loves homosexual acts right? Provide Scriptures please!
You said God has never had any objection to the homosexuality act (which i consider insult to the most high God who created a man and woman for a purpose) but let me allow you prove with scriptures!

MuttleyLaff:
I hope you are not visually impaired, hmm openmine?.

Some people sha, a three part reply, as he comes on here, saying not a single rebuttal. SMH.

You made a rebuttal right?
and i replied the one that was in reply to bloodofthelamb which you didnt give out a scripture....maybe you should be the one with the visually impaired tag
Chill am replying every rebuttal one by one!

MuttleyLaff:
PART 1, WITH OTHER TWO PARTS FOLLOWING AFTER. I HAD TO SPLIT INTO 3 PARTS, AS WAS AUTO TOLD POST IS TOO LONG

Somebori please give this my brother a "oti sewọn" chilled cold bottle of orijin and a truckload of kolanuts. This is the kind of poster one needs as referee, good enough to be one and one who doesnt take sides. I tell you, and this thing is not going to be over until the referee blows the whistle

Time is a snitch, as time will soon tell, who really is a bonafide and confirmed scoundrel between you and I. The people of Antioch had you in mind, when they made up the term Christian. It isnt going to be difficult to reveal how irreverent, dishonest and devious you needed to be, just so scriptures be misinterpreted and/or clobber biblical text verses, say things it never said, didnt say and doesnt say and/or never mean.

People with the least knowledge of a matter, know about bragging very well, and the arrogance usually is a cover up, its actually, insecurities playing dress up

I am not a boastful type like you are, so I'll let my the words in my posts do the speaking for me.

You typed that “consensual sin” remains sin, right? Of course, “consensual sin” remains sin,, if its according to the "gospel" of TV01

If you didn't see me follow anyone with your own eyes, or hear it with your own ears, don't invent it with your small mind and share it with a big mouth!

Like I've said in my earlier post above, i mean the one with the true life story incident of the then three year old, I repeat, that Jesus, in Matthew 19:12a, stated emphatically and/or publicly, saying some are born that way from their mother's womb, as in from birth, same way, some are born from the womb, that way with same sex attraction. Of course, because of the imperfect world we live in, eunuch(s), just as same as with same sex attraction persons (i.e. SSA person), people that are infertiles, people born with one physical defect or the other etcetera, all are as a result of the fall from grace.

I am now re-sharing the true life story incident all over again, so that you'll get a bit of perspective from that my "some are born from the womb" comment. The person, in this true life story incident, is a grown man now and is enjoying a lovingly SSA relationship, supported by his mum, dad, sisters and brothers, I mean supported by the entire family, dog and all, in short, but here is the most interesting part of the story and my favourite part of it, his mum fondly recalls that, when he was three years old, he passingly, you know like innocent kids do, said her: "Mommy, when I grow up, I want to marry Daddy" How do you explain, a three year old boy wanting to marry Daddy and not Mummy, hmm? How do you explain being lefthanded, hmm TV01? It is an incontrovertible truth that God, who sees and who knows the end from the beginning, an Omnicompetent, all-knowing, all-wise, all-seeing God, knew about SS attraction and SS relationships, so by extension, SS attraction and SS relationships are not just part of God's creational intent but are inclusive. Through the wisdom and design of God, the God idea provides consensual SS attraction and SS relationships adults with a sense of belonging.

TV01, get a grip of yourself please, there isnt anything remotely dysfunctional about same sex behaviour or acts. Same sex attraction is not intrinsically disordered. If it were, tell us now, what is Michelangelo intrinsically disordered about, hmm? What is Leo Varadkar intrinsically disordered about hmm? It is just like somebody being lefthanded, it is different but it still is natural, just as we cant really explain off lefthandness, so we cant with same sex attraction, behaviour or acts, except for it being epigenetics, and as in, born that way

Glory be to God. Thank you, thank you God. "Toba to asiko lati su, idi a la", loosely translated means, "when its time to shiit, yansh must give way" so let's put hand for chin, begin watch and read how you've answered the questions then

You dont seem to realise that, there is a reason why I "flipped" them back at you. Whenever you catch a thief, it's best the thief is held on to by the wrist, so to prevent any chasing of it breaking free and escape. I am setting you up and getting you into a chokehold, the evidence of this the same observer/participant will testify to

The Matthew 19:12a scripture, referenced by me was never woefully taken out of context, nor was it, either as deodorant or air-freshener, mis-applied. Did Jesus, not in Matthew 19:12a, state emphatically and/or publicly, saying some are born that way, as eunuchs, from their mother's womb, as in from birth, erh? Same way, some are born from the womb with same sex attraction, hmm? Of course, because of the imperfect world we live in, eunuch, just as same as same sex attraction persons (i.e. SSA person), people that are infertiles, people born with one physical defect or the other etcetera, all are as a result of the fall from grace.

Like I have said in previous post(s), God, who sees and knows the end from the beginning, an Omnicompetent, all-knowing, all-wise, all-seeing God, knew about SS attraction and SS relationships, so by extension, SS attraction and SS relationships are not just part of God's creational intent but are inclusive.

Consensual adult SS attraction and SS relationships, by a God design are included, in the creational order.

Now, the reason, why most people cant accept that some people are naturally born to have same sex attraction (i.e. being gay) and this is alright, is because of them being misinformed that it is a sin to be a gay person, but that misconception will be correctly addressed here on this thread.

Let's get this straight and in perpestive, hmm. If you're an unrepentant rapist, you're in trouble. If you're an unrepentant arm robber, you're in trouble. If you're an unrepentant child molester, you're in trouble. If you're an unrepentant animal fairker, you're in trouble.

If you're an unrepentant "animashaun-gbogbo-adugbo" unfaithful homosexual/lesbian, it goes without saying, that you're in trouble
but if you are an adult, sexually attracted to a consenting adult of same gender and in a faithful, committed to each other, meaningful, honest, truthful, loving and lasting a lifetime relationship with same person until death do youse apart then you are alright and good to go because it at the end of the day, is not a matter of who you love, but is a matter and down to how you love. Love reigns supreme and is eternal, on top of that, it is instructive to know that, in Christ and end of this side of eternity, there is neither male nor female.
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hmmmm....I didn't want to read through too much words...I was only interested in the scriptures you put forward!
Matthew 19:12a....?
How does homosexuality come into that scripture?

I have used different translations and there is no correlation with homosexuals or that there was any support for it!
hmmmm....

MuttleyLaff:
Thank you so very much bloodofthelamb for sticking your head out on to the parapet. You are another of, one of my well respected posters here in Religion, because you are sensible and intelligent. You have not just more sense than common sense but you have sense wiseness too as well

bloodofthelamb, with all due respect, by your own admission, you are advancing opinion(s) on this issue, but the issue has nothing do to with "opinions" meanwhile I, on the other hand, I am gradually unravelling, the truth and presenting the issue, as it really is, with facts. I am about stating facts but others as well as you, are bent on arguing with me, without knowing the facts. This often happens when people dont take the Bible and Bible study seriously, when we are insisted upon, to read the Bible, read it properly and in context, so that we obey 2 Timothy 2:15 and always be able to "rightly divide the word of truth."

It is not like, as if, everything I type, can't be looked up in the Bible, if anyone wants to try prove me wrong. Do some research of your own, on everything you find me type on this thread, to find proof of what I am saying. Believers, should do heavy lifting too and dont be waiting, sitting and looking for other people to do work for them

I read it once that, if a crooked stick is before you, you need not explain how crooked it is. Lay a straight one down by the side of it, and the work is well done. Preach the truth, and error will stand abashed

Homosexuality, per se is not a sin, Fornication, infidelity, betrayal of trust, cheating, emotional harm or trauma etcetera is a sin in a heterosexual relationship, just as it would be in a homosexual relationship

God sees nothing untoward in consensual adult homosexuality, homosexuals/lesbians and/or same sex attraction and union(s), especially one that is in, a kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, not harmful and committed life long until death do them part relationships

Exactly my brother, but she needed not, in that sort of "set-up or frame-up" be condemned anyway bloodofthelamb

Why dont you speak for yourself that homosexuality is a misdirected desire and passion because it isnt your nature to get attracted to someone with same sex as you, hmm?

C'mon now bloodofthelamb, this is like you saying that being lefthanded is a misdirected desire and passion.
Having genuine homosexual behaviour, as in my earlier, stated clearly and in detail, context, respect and/or circumstances, is no more abnormal than being lefthanded is bloodofthelamb. It is not evil, it is not doing anybody harm and/or anyone, as a homosexual/lesbian, arent necessarily harming others with it

Being gay, is like, being left handed. Just as some people are left handed, so, some people aren't. Nobody really knows why, except for, it's because we live in an imperfect world. It is not a matter of right or wrong here bloodofthelamb. It is a matter of thats just the way things are, that's just the way they turned out and so it is that, there is nothing abnormal in two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour

Is it possible, that love can be extraordinary, that, there is love wonderful and passing the love of women? Of course, yes, for some, there is and it is biblical

They are as bad as Pharisees. I see them as 21st century or modern age Pharisees. Have you noticed and seen how solite3 went AWOL and tight-lipped, after I ask him to tell me, solite3, when last did he lie and when does he think his next lie will be?

Exactly but at the point bloodofthelamb, where you said, I am wrong on this stand, you sorely are mistaken and it is a right sorry heart wrenching shame for me to see you like this

bloodofthelamb, if homosexuality is an abomination, thank God it isnt homosexuality per se, that is an abomination, but then if it was or say for the sake of a bloodofthelamb argument it is, then isnt it, just as bad as being a liar and/or lying? If hypothetically it is that homosexuality is a sin and/or an abomination, then why are people behaving in unpleasant ways towards homosexual(s)? Why are homosexuals singled out to bear/take/suffer etcetera the brunt of discrimination, hatred, violence, fear of their lives etcetera, huh? Is it because believers think that they are more important than they really are, when compared with fellow human beings, who by no choice of theirs, except for epigenetics, have same sex attraction, similarly like having to be lefthanded, hmm?
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I took my time to go through your rebuttal of bloodofthelamb,and to tell you that am truely disappointed is an understatement!

First,its shocking to compare being left handed or right hand to being a homosexual.... the comparison doesn't even connect!

Both hands were made by God and he never at any point choose which hand we must specifically use to eat or take something or condemn or relegate any!

Well,I don't want to even delve into that because that will bring another endless argument about hand usage!

However,its amazing that of all the rebuttal to bloodofthelamb,you only used your own "opinions" and not scriptures.....you could have lifted at least three scriptures to buttress your argument!

This is not about 'homosexual per se'....let's call a spade a spade! homosexuality is homosexuality whether consensually or otherwise!

both are shameful in the sight of God and the scriptures are there to prove it!

Please return back to this rebuttal and show scriptures to substantiate your submissions!
Thank you!

BlueRayDick:
Bro, if they protest and he doesn't heed their protest, they could've all dropped off the bus.

I was in a public bus not quite long ago and the stupid driver and his conductor were about refueling the vehicle from a keg containing petrol they had kept aside for such purpose. The engine was still running and they were about embarking on such stupid venture.

I protested I would have none of that except the engine was switched, the conductor just insulted me and said I was forming. I dropped and stayed a little far away while other sheep's that called themselves passengers stay put.

When the refueling was concluded, I rejoined the bus and continued my journey.

Although life has no value in Nigeria, but u as the owner of the life must do everything possible to prolong Ur life

Seriously,if there were more people with you mindset, no driver will be reckless while driving!
The problem has always been passengers who go mute when they are seeing their death! As if driver used juju to control them!

zikter:
Don't be surprised one person in the bus will object but the rest will shout him down, giving more morale to the cursed danfo driver

True!

BlueRayDick:
Why would they sit in the bus and keep mute when the driver faced one-way, knowing fully well how heavy duty trucks ply that area?

Were they mad or something? Because I know who the gods want to kill they first make mad.

The way we so embrace lawlessness in this Country ehn, it's alarming.

Now see the end product

Great submissions!
This is exactly what I have been saying!
meanwhile instead of appealing to the state government to seek ways to curb these recklessness on our roads,some one on this thread is ignorantly praying that God should not allow such accidents to happen to them! As if that is the solution to the problem...smh

[quote author=gibzzhd post=79069934][/quote]You should have asked the team i was referring to!
was speaking with respect to portugal!

Ronaldo makes ordinary teams look special when he plays for them!

smh

sturridge is an amazing player and an asset for any club...
However,his entire career has been hampered by recurring injuries which can distort the form of even the best players!
Sturridge style of play also didnt fit into klopp's gameplan.Klopp wanted all his players to fight for the ball when they dont have it...which we call gengepressing..however,sturridge is not that kind of player...This was why a firmino was preferred to a sturridge due to his work ethic!

Moreno,offensively is a perfect player for any top side but horrible in defence which should have been one of his strong points as a left full back!
And it got worse for moreno when his challenger robertson starting giving out 5 star performances for liverpool esp his defensive part!

I wish both of them the very best!

The guy had to run....the only star player that he had is about to leave for madrid!

MuttleyLaff:
I think TV01 is buying time or has decided to jack it in and call it a day, knowing fully well he would be exposed and left hung to dry if he should have the courage to answer my four questions. I'll give you a notification mention, if he mans up and replies to them.

okay

MuttleyLaff:
I don't want to talk anymore until TV01 answers those questions so please don't and stop making it look like any form of nothing is happening, is due or down to me.

All you posted up there, will, trust me, be dealt with when TV01, replies with his moniker handle to my four earlier asked questions

You can as well tag the thread a MuttleyLaff VS TV01 Vocabo/lingual e-war!
From your submissions,you just defeated the very purpose of this thread!
When you are ready to prove your points on why God sees nothing wrong with homosexual acts using scriptures and not what am disappointingly viewing here,that's when i will grant this thread a view and possibly a comment!
SMH

MuttleyLaff:
openmine, what does the title of the thread say, hmm? TV01 is the big hotshot who came out at me, so that is why I am starting with him and as well facing him. If only he just would answer those my four easy, simple, straightforward direct questions to get this whole matter properly started.

I know about all your reservations, it would be addressed, if just TV01 would answer those four questions. It is him holding things up openmine, talk to him

Okay i await your submissions!
Though like i said the more you tarry,the more people like me think you have no point to offer!
Unfortunately,that's how i think!

Romans 1:24-27

24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their own hearts to [sexual] impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them [abandoning them to the degrading power of sin], 25 because [by choice] they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading and vile passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural [a function contrary to nature], 27 and in the same way also the men turned away from the natural function of the woman and were consumed with their desire toward one another, men with men committing SHAMEFUL ACTS and in return receiving in their own bodies the inevitable and appropriate penalty for their wrongdoing.

24 So God gave them just what their lustful hearts desired. As a result, they violated their bodies and invited shame into their lives. 25 How? By choosing a foolish lie over God’s truth. They gave their lives and devotion to the creature rather than to the Creator Himself, who is blessed forever and ever. Amen. 26-27 This is why God released them to their own vile pursuits, and this is what happened: they chose sexual counterfeits—WOMEN had sexual relations with other WOMEN and MEN committed unnatural, SHAMEFUL ACTS because they burned with lust for other MEN. This sin was rife, and they suffered painful consequences.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 English Standard Version (ESV)
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous[a] will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Amplified Bible (AMP)
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate [by perversion], nor those who participate in homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers [whose words are used as weapons to abuse, insult, humiliate, intimidate, or slander], nor swindlers will inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
9-10 Surely you know that people who do wrong will not get to enjoy God’s kingdom. Don’t be fooled. These are the people who will not get to enjoy his kingdom: those who sin sexually, those who worship idols, those who commit adultery, men who let other men use them for sex or who have sex with other men, those who steal, those who are greedy, those who drink too much, those who abuse others with insults, and those who cheat.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 New King James Version (NKJV)
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Timothy 1:9-10 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
9 We also know that the law is not made for those who do what is right. It is made for those who are against the law and refuse to follow it. The law is for sinners who are against God and all that is pleasing to him. It is for those who have no interest in spiritual things and for those who kill their fathers or mothers or anyone else. 10 It is for those who commit sexual sins, [b]homosexuals, those who sell slaves, those who tell lies, those who don’t tell the truth under oath, and those who are against the true teaching of God.

1 Timothy 1:9-10 Amplified Bible (AMP)
9 understanding the fact that law is not enacted for the righteous person [the one in right standing with God], but for lawless and rebellious people, for the ungodly and sinful, for the irreverent and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for sexually immoral persons, for homosexuals, for kidnappers and slave traders, for liars, for perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine.

1 Timothy 1:9-10 English Standard Version (ESV)
9 understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, 10 the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers,[a] liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound[b] doctrine,

MuttleyLaff:
openmine, where and when did bloodofthelamb present his/her points based on the scriptures, hmm? I dont see any from the below link
https://www.nairaland.com/5221576/deconstructing-lies-myth-consensual-adult#78957324

Would that then be my fault, if TV01 flat refused and refuses, to those answer my first set of four easy, simple, straightforward and direct salvo questions discharged at him, hmm? There is something he is afraid of finding out that is why TV01 cant get himself to answer the questions and get me properly started on the thread

The education would have started to unfold if TV01 had the courage to answer those my first set of four easy, simple, straightforward and direct salvo questions discharged at him but sensed something, like danger of getting exposed, so he developed cold feet and bottled up, just like Shepherd00 and particularly jesusjnr is fond of doing.

Scriptures are already coming on the thread from me, more fast and furious to come, the minute TV01 begins to answer those my first set of four easy, simple, straightforward and direct salvo questions discharged at him

I dont make it a habit having an e-war, nor do I run away from one

openmime, I was jejely minding my business, in the little corner of mine before TV01 came muscling up to me and gunning for me. It escalated to a point that all and sundry, where making loud hues and cries insistently telling me to respond to TV01, this is why the thread started with addressing his and Shepherd00 questions. There is this friend of mine known as Ranchhoddas or ThothHermes, he was among those fuelling the screaming for me to respond. He at one time had an insane score board with something like TV01 (7) versus MuttleyLaff (0)

All I want, is the opportunity to advance the truth, dispel the lies. I am not interested in any vocabulary war and defeat nonsense. Do you think, I havent got better things to do? That I am that bored and I pass time this way, hmm?

TV01 called me out, saying, I was this and was that, and everyone was hailing him, saying I have met my match etcetera. I kept my head down quietly until the birth of this thread for heads to begin to roll

Then please I ask TV01 to kindly begin answering those my first set of four easy, simple, straightforward and direct salvo questions discharged at him

This is why I suggested having a referre for this thread, I kind of suspected that monkey businesses, would sooner or later be used on the thread. It hadnt taken solite3 and TV01 long to start indulging in them. Would you mind being a referre for the thread?

with all due respect to what you just said,its the same thing am still seeing just like the other thread!
There has been no single defence on your part to prove that the homosexual acts are okay with God!
All i see is replying scriptures with your own logic or opinions!

Like i have said which i have made explicit,use this opportunity to make your submissions with SCRIPTURES and corresponding scriptures so that others can also contribute and ask questions based on the scriptures you put forward....i dont like back and forth squabbles!

As for @bloodofthelamb,i think his submissions were made clear at the other thread which is what i expected when you invited me to this thread...However,all i see so far here is a trail of vocabulary induced e-war between you and TV01!

And with all honesty,i believe some scriptures that where presented by TV01 should have been refuted by you instantly using the same scriptures!

I also have my reservations when it comes to such abominable acts and my convictions are formulated with or without scriptures!
Hence,when i see such thread,i simply want to know the analogy behind such beliefs!

So without too much talk,please make your submissions on the issue of homosexuality WITH SCRIPTURES AND CORRESPONDING SCRIPTURES!

wallace1:
THE ENTIRE TEAM MUST BE EXECUTED BY FIRING SQUAD. NONSENSE !!!

ok