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jnrbayano:
Without the law;

We will not have any need for Jesus
We will not understand the need for Jesus
We will never understand the love of God
We will never understand the mercy of God
We will not understand the forgiveness of God
We will not understand man's reconciliation with God
We will never understand the sacrifices of Jesus
We will not understand the power of the Resurrection and Ascension
Etc

St Paul doesn't want Christians to be lawless despite championing the gospel of grace. He said, uphold/establish the law, that it tells us when we sin.

He never said, live under the law because the law does two things for the people who live under it.

Revelation of sin and condemnation.

As people under grace, there's no condemnation whatsoever, however, the law retained its job of revealing sin. "I will not know that covetousness is sin if its not written, thou shall not covet"

When the Law reveals when a child of God sin, it at the same time points him/her to Jesus who is mercy, love and the bringer of grace and truth. That's the job of the Law.

Unfortunately,the same law you advocate not only reveals our sin but also increased sin in man!
The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.(1 Corinthians 15:56)

Like i have said for the umpteenth time,The law had and has its relevance being that it shows or exposes sinners or unbelievers their transgressions...However,the law was NOT sufficient enough to make a sinner perfect or make him right before God!
Hence God sent brought Jesus into the picture....and offered mankind HOPE instead of CONDEMNATION...LOVE instead of the LAW!
That's why LOVE became a fulfillment of the law....
in other words,LOVE became a COMPLETION OR ACCOMPLISHMENT OF THE LAW(Romans 13:8-10)

jnrbayano:
No wonder Peter warned about Pauline epistles that they are hard to understand, his level of wisdom is something else. Unstable minds distort and twist St Paul's teachings to their destruction.

Ofcourse....
Paul said the law should be upheld and at the same time the law must not be adhered to because it is imperfect,weak and useless
(Hebrews 7:18-19)

To comprehend what Peter found hard to understand about paul,please study the scriptures below...

1 Corinthians 9:19-23
For though I am free from all, I have made myself a servant to all, that I might WIN MORE OF THEM. To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews.

To those under the law I became as one under the law (though NOT BEING MYSELF UNDER THE LAW) that I might win those under the law.

To those outside the law I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law.
To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all people, that by all means I might save some. I do it all for the SAKE OF THE GOSPEL, that I may share with them in its blessings.

jnrbayano:
2 Timothy 3:16-17

"All scripture (the Law inclusive) is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works"

prudence is required when you consider the dispensation of this scripture....
First you must establish the covenant and dispensation that this verse was sighting...
If you are making a inclusion of the law,then i can as well list out ALL the LAWS OF MOSES esp burning of incense,sacrifices of goats and sheeps,etc
..and i am very sure you don't make sacrifices of goats and sheeps....
So why include a law that you are not observing?
James 2:10-11
For whoever keeps the WHOLE LAW but FAILS in one point has become GUILTY of ALL of IT. For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.

Be reminded that there are 614 laws of moses.....!
I wish you the very best as you partake in the burning of incense in a temple!

N.B
Do you know that if the fullness of law had still been in place,you would never have been worthy to be called a son of God!

Hizzy:
how many times hav Tottenham beaten a Spanish team
or na last season u start to watch football ball barca will not lose to any of those teams in group stage

Maybe you didn't read or chose to blindly ignore my entire statements due to your seeming affiliations for barca!
I said and I quote...."in my own opinion"......
In other words,My statements are purely "my own opinion" which I am clearly entitled to.....

A simple advise for you....Please try next time to peruse people's statements on social media before attacking them okay?

No one is an illiterate or a kid here!
Thanks for understanding!

Madeu:
There is nothing strong in that group. Barcelona will standout. The slot is between inter and Tottenham.
The strongest group is C and H

On paper,barca are always the favourites but not on the field...
Barca is not what they used to be esp when they had Xavi and iniesta in that orchestrating midfield for barca.....
Suarez and messi are aging and can't be counted upon to play week in week out.....
In my opinion,this is really going to be very tough for all the teams!
Tottenham have shown that they can tear any Spanish opposition apart!
Inter Milan and PSV may be perceived as pushovers but like someone once said "never underrate anyone who has nothing to lose!"
Well,football will do the talking by 18 and 19 of September!

Group B Barcelona, Tottenham, PSV, Inter Milan
this group is strong....

gbolly0001:
UCL draw
Barca - Pot 1
Manchester United - Pot 2
Chelsea - Pot Harcourt
Arsenal -Pot hole �

jnrbayano:
Save your strength. Most of them want no laws and can say anything to support lawlessness.

St Paul said, do we do away with the law? No, we establish/uphold it.

St Paul who has been justified by Jesus Christ said, "how do I know that covetousness is sin if there's no *do not covet* words of the law?"

The law continues to serve its purpose and that purpose is for us to know when we sin. Simple as ABC

The law can justify man if and only if we are capable of keeping them all but we just can't.

God in his infinite love and mercy, sent us Jesus who brings to us justification free of charge albeit our response very necessary too

Brother, ignore these guys

Hebrews 7:11-12
Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron? For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well.

Hebrews 7:18-19
For on the one hand, a former commandment is set aside because of its WEAKNESS AND USELESSNESS (for the LAW made nothing perfect); but on the other hand, a better hope is introduced, through which we draw near to God.

Romans 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believe.

Galatians 2:16
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law , but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law : for by the
works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Galatians 2:21
I do not frustrate the grace of God : for if righteousness come by the LAW, then Christ is DEAD IN VAIN.

Galatians 3:10-11
For all who rely on works of the law are under a CURSE; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law , and do them.” Now it is evident that NO ONE is justified before God by the LAW , for “The righteous shall live by faith.”

Galatians 3:19-22
Why then the law ? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.
Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

Galatians 3:23-25
Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law , imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed . So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian(LAW)

Ephesians 2:11-15
Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called “the uncircumcision” by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands— remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace,

1 timothy 1:8-11
Now we know that the law is good , if one uses it lawfully , understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the righteous but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, in accordance with the gospel of the glory of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted.
If however you choose to be part of the laws of moses and by extention be under the old covenant,you must abide by and observe all the 614 laws of moses...be reminded that if you stumble one just one law,you are guilty of all the laws

James 2:10-11
For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it. For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.

No one doubts the relevance of the law esp when you are still yet an unbeliever but using the same law that you have being saved from justification (or make you right) is a very deep error from you!

Why would God who said the law is imperfect,weak,useless,doesn't draw his people close to him and sent Jesus to save us from such law now turn around to say the same law should be used as a standard or base to still keep us in check?

Just as I told ur colleague of like mind,you should study the entire Galatians to get a holistic view about the purpose of the law and the part where it gave way to a better way of living which is through Christ....

Am not a "know it all"(am actually here to learn) but saying the law is still in place or relevant to believers and yet you only practice some laws that are convenient to you is what we all call "cherry picking"!

Even the verses you quoted,you did so because it favoured your line of argument...however,you neglected the other scriptures that boldly states the annulment of the law of moses!
Its like claiming you still operate on the law of moses but when it comes to sin offerings and heave offerings or burning of incense,you claim the new covenant gospel.....

enilove:
So a Christian can steal or commit murder.

Why did Jesus said this in :

Revelation 22:10-15 KJV
And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
[11] He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
[12] And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
[13] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
[14] Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
[15] For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Good morning
based on the quotations from revelations,esp in verse 14
May I ask.....during which "covenant" was this quotation made?
The old covenant or the new covenant?

So a Christian can steal or commit murder.

Romans 13:8-12

8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. 9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

jnrbayano:
This 19/20th century hellish teaching is why the world is out of order.

St Paul said, "do we do away with the law? No, we rather establish/uphold it."

St John the evangelist said, "sin is transgression of law"

Jesus said, "if you love me, keep my commandments"

You guys here want to be lawless, goodluck

okay i guess the scriptures i quoted are not part of the bible right?

Hope you also know that paul was quoted as saying that the knowledge of the law increased sin...

You cant be justified by both the law and grace!

jnrbayano:
You are that person with the said attitude, that attitude is comprehension of not more than 100words

Let me make it in even fewer words.

The law is there to check LAWLESSNESS put differently, the law tells you and I when we sin.

Jesus doesn't support lawlessness
No disciple of his supported same
I will not support lawlessness my friend

Learn if you want

This is simply called Justification through the law!
When you use the law to check your lawlessness, you are indirectly manifesting the works of the law and ultimately, be justified by the same law!

You are also telling God that the salvation and finished work on the cross is insufficient to take away lawlessness from you!

if you still need the law to point your lawlessness,then Christ death and resurrection meant nothing to you!

Goshen360:
You can't have a debate with a motive to learn if you have this kind of attitude. As a matter of fact, I don't expect you to believe me....I truly want you to believe that was written but don't be like that man in scripture reading and or quoting scripture but can't use another scripture to interpret scriptures quoted.

Give me time lemme explain those scriptures you quoted thinking they support that CHRISTIANS ARE BINDING TO CONTINUE TO KEEP THE LAW OF MOSES.

OMG, ITS 2018 AND WE'RE STILL HERE DEBATING WETHER OR NOT CHRISTIANS SHOULD FOLLOW THE MOSAIC LAWS WHEN IT WAS ALREADY CONCLUDED BY THE APOSTLES IN ACTS OF THE APOSTLES.

lol...
It must be done!
Am also learning too....

jnrbayano:
Non sequitur!

The law is there for a purpose, checking of lawlessness.

We don't talk about justification. The law would have justified man if and only if man can keep them all without breaking any but that is impossible. Because of that, Jesus came. The justification which we enjoy today is brought about by Jesus's salvation work.

The law is there to check lawlessness that is to tell you and I when we sin.

I don't understand how you don't understand this simple thing

And am still in awe that you could not see where it is stated that using the law as a check or observing the law to check your sins is as if you are still operating under the very law that you were taken away from.....

In other words,you are using the law of moses to be made right with God,hence exhibiting the works of the law!

Only a law abider uses the same law that enslaved him!


What part of "don't observe the law" did you not understand?

Yes indeed...the purpose of law was made to bring us to Christ....however, according to Galatians 3:25 we are no longer under the dictates of the law.....

The law has done its job,which is showing a sinner its transgressions.....however the law could not make a sinner right with God.....Hence,Christ was revealed as an atonement for our sins....

Why is it so hard to read Galatians 3 to get a broader perspective about the purpose of the law?

Like I said earlier,you are free to follow the laws of moses...However,be reminded that you must not cherry pick any law but must do ALL to be made right with God!

You can't claim grace and law at the same time!

jnrbayano:
Romans 3:20 - Therefore by the deeds of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the Law [is] the knowledge of sin.

Romans 7:7 - What shall we say then? [Is] the Law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the Law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the Law had said, "You shall not covet."

Romans 3:31 - Do we then make void the Law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the Law.

Romans 7:12 - Therefore the Law [is] holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.

Romans 7:14 - For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Romans 7:22 - For I delight in the Law of Yahweh according to the inward man.

1Joh 3:4 (KJV) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the Law: for sin is the transgression of the Law.

Read Romans 7:7-25

I believe St Paul and John not you

Paul also quoted the scriptures below....i hope you will still believe him after studying the following scriptures....

Hebrews 7:11-12
Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron? For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well.

Hebrews 7:18-19
For on the one hand, a former commandment is set aside because of its WEAKNESS AND USELESSNESS (for the LAW made nothing perfect); but on the other hand, a better hope is introduced, through which we draw near to God.

Romans 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believe.

Galatians 2:16
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Galatians 2:21
I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the LAW, then Christ is DEAD IN VAIN

Galatians 3:10-11
For all who rely on works of the law are under a CURSE; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” Now it is evident that NO ONE is justified before God by the LAW, for “The righteous shall live by faith.”

Galatians 3:19-22
Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.
Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

Galatians 3:23-25
Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian(LAW)

Ephesians 2:11-15
Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called “the uncircumcision” by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands— remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace,


1 timothy 1:8-11
Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the righteous but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, in accordance with the gospel of the glory of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted.

If however you choose to be part of the laws of moses and by extention be under the old covenant,you must abide by and observe all the 614 laws of moses...be reminded that if you stumble one just one law,you are guilty of all the laws

James 2:10-11
For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it. For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.

enilove:
@openmine,

Are you saying David , Isaiah , Elisha , Jeremiah ,Ezekiel were not holy and were not saved? I am make reference to your statement that " the law never saved ".

Did you not read this b4 making that comment ?
Leviticus 18:5 KJV
Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the Lord .

The reason why Jesus came to die for us was to save us eternal damnation. For those who died b4 Christ , they will be judged by the law.
Likewise you and I , by our obedience to the laws and faith in Christ.

Why did Jesus said some people were holy ?
John 5:28-29 KJV
Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
[29] And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

My point is , the law was useful in showing those who died b4 Jesus the way and it is very very more important now for christian to keep them after accepting Jesus ad his saviour.

Jesus told us not to teach anyone to break them.

IF NOT FOR THE LAW , JESUS WOULD NOT HAVE COME.
IT WAS THE LAW THAT MADE MARY HOLY AND USABLE FOR THE LORD TO COME.

I refer to the believers when I said the law does not save!
secondly,the law does not offer the righteousness that God wanted!
The law doesn't offer grace!
The law never offered a mediator which is Christ Jesus!

Please I would also like to ask which covenant that you are under?
Knowledge of that will save us quality time!

As for statues,the fruits of the spirit covers that aspect!
Love begets faithfulness!

Christ died to redeem us from the burden of our sins!
To create a new man with out sin or blemish!
To bring us closer to God through love! Romans 13:8-10
To bring the law and its ordinance to an end by bringing it to its conclusion through his death!

Scripture says those who adhere to the law are under a curse!
Scripture says the law's purpose was for transgression until the revealing of Christ as the saviour! Galatians 3
Scripture says the law is weak,obsolete and useless! Hebrews 7:18
How can a law that is weak and useless by God based on scripture still be relevant to believers?
Its either scripture is lying or you are not saying the truth!

It would seem that you intend to impose you understanding of the scriptures on others without getting the direction of others discourse.....
That's not how to learn scriptures!
If scriptures are shown to you,its important to check that scripture to understand its usage!

The law in its glamour was incomplete and weak,hence a better hope and law was ushered which drew believers closer to God!

enilove:
So , a Christian can go against these laws ?

Leviticus 18:5-11,22-23 KJV
Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the Lord . [6] None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their unclothedness: I am the Lord . [7] The unclothedness of thy father, or the unclothedness of thy mother, shalt thou not uncover: she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her unclothedness. [8] The unclothedness of thy father's wife shalt thou not uncover: it is thy father's unclothedness. [9] The unclothedness of thy sister, the daughter of thy father, or daughter of thy mother, whether she be born at home, or born abroad, even their unclothedness thou shalt not uncover. [10] The unclothedness of thy son's daughter, or of thy daughter's daughter, even their unclothedness thou shalt not uncover: for theirs is thine own unclothedness. [11] The unclothedness of thy father's wife's daughter, begotten of thy father, she is thy sister, thou shalt not uncover her unclothedness. [22] Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. [23] Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.

Are they to be followed by Christians or not ?

I just need a "yes" or "no' for answer.

Before we became believers and received Christ as our personal lord and saviour,we were shown our sinful ways which was showing us the law of moses as a sign post...
Galatians 3

However the law of moses never SAVED MANKIND but rather plunged man into more sin!

Hence while we were yet sinners,the law kept us in check...Galatians 3
However,now that Christ has been revealed we are no longer under the direction or dictates of the law!

Yes the law showed you about sexual sins as contained in the law of moses....the law also talked about sin offerings,burnt offerings,the new leaven bread offerings,and other laws as contained in the 614 laws of moses.

If the law could make you holy and righteous,there would have been no need for Christ coming!

Like I said initially, the law is a signpost but never a change agent!

The purpose of the law was to show man his sinful nature...but never a road to redemption!
Christ became our redemption!

1 timothy 1:8-10
We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers

Galatians 3:19-22

Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator. A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but God is one. Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not!

For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law.

But Scripture has locked up everything under the control of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.

So based on the statement of the OP,the believer does not need the law as justification or for observance!

The law of moses has been simplified to LOVE!
which is the law of Christ!

So back to your question, The answer is NO.....believers are not to abide by the laws of moses.....
The law shows us our sin,but it can never be used as a tool to make us righteous or holy!

enilove:
Yes , although it might be difficult.

But the law of killing doves and others cannot save or take one to heaven.

Remember , b4 Jesus Christ came , the law was their guide and some of them were righteous and holy. But needed to accept Jesus' death to proceed further.

However the same law condemned others not born of the Jewish race!
Gentiles for instance!

The same law made a priest or levite to NOT help anyone at a point of death except their own family members!
King David was an ardent follower of the law to its letter yet he committed first adultery and murder!
The law in its glamour was never perfect and never brought man closer to God!
At a stage,the law created more sin than righteousness in man!

Hence God created a new covenant where Jesus was made the high priest!


Hebrews 7:11-13
If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood—and indeed the LAW given to the people established that priesthood—why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? For when the priesthood is changed, the LAW must be CHANGED also.

Hebrews 7: 18
The former regulation is set aside because it was WEAK and USELESS (for the LAW made nothing perfect), and a BETTER HOPE is introduced, by which WE DRAW NEAR TO GOD!

God even made it easier for us by giving us the law of LOVE!

We can try as much as we can but we can't observe ALL 614 LAWS OF MOSES without stumbling on one!

enilove:
Are these not what the law says ?

Ephesians 5:3-5 KJV
But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
[4] Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
[5] For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

This is almost similar to the scripture in Galatians 5:19-21
but the scripture went further by indicating the law of Christ!


Galatians 5:22-26
But the fruit of the Spirit is LOVE, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things THERE IS NO LAW. Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. Let us not become conceit

In other words,when you know the fruits of the spirit,you don't need the law as a guide!

Do you know that knowledge of the law gave rise to more sins?
Do you also know that the law was not meant for the righteous!


However,the law has its relevance but not as a change agent but as a sign post to unbelievers!

1 timothy 1:8-11
We know that the law is good if one uses it PROPERLY. We also know that the law is made NOT for the RIGHTEOUS but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.



I ask again,do you need the law of moses to stop you from committing filthiness or covetousness or becoming an idolaters?
What you need is the fruit of the spirit!

enilove:
Why are you avoiding such simple question?

I already answered the question by adding other words,check my latest writings...sorry for the mix up!
Christ only made emphasis to the law of adultery....because for sin to take place,a thought must have been in force...Hence,he was only making further explanations to the law not adding another!

enilove:
Let me answer your question regarding whether believers should use the law of Moses as a justification or not.

My answer is Yes and more.

Sorry bro...Unfortunately, your answer is wrong and insufficient!
That's because scriptures have been used to show that observance of the law only makes rubbish of the finished work on the cross!

Reference : Galatians 2
Galatians 5:22-23
Romans 10:4
Hebrews 7:13

Do you believe that there was a new covenant of which Jesus is the high priest?

enilove:
The Pharisees were counted as holy as per the laws, and Jesus told us to surpass their righteousness.

A believer should not commit sins which the Pharisees did not commit .
Matthew 5:27-28 KJV
Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: [28] But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Because you are a believer does not mean you can commit fornication or adultery.

Sorry bro.....that explanation is only an emphasis and not a new law created by Christ!
secondly,the laws was given to the Jews and not believers!
believers were given the law of Christ where Love is the only law given!
U don't need the law to stop you from committing adultery!
You don't need the law to stop you from sinning...
You don't need the law to stop you from killing.....
What you need is Christ perfect law which is LOVE!

enilove:
Not being under the law means not under the statutes to kill goat , birds etc for atonements.
It is those blood sacrifices we are exonerated from but not law of Sin, because Jesus Christ has been made a sacrifice for us.

first of all, do you have scripture to prove or show that there are some laws that we observe and some laws that were abolished or not done?
What about burning of incense?
I have heard this narrative for a very long time and its already stale....unfortunately, am yet to see or get a scripture that proves this analogy of yours...Please can you kindly provide scripture to prove this? Thank you!

the scripture that I provided to you says the laws were set aside because it was weak and useless!

Paul and james also made reference to those who observe some laws while leaving out others by stating clearly in Galatians 3:2 and james 2:10-12 respectively that you are guilty of all the laws if you only observe SOME while leaving out the OTHERS.

enilove:
Let me ask you another question ;
Can a Christian sin or not ?

Salvation is a state....perfection is a walk!
salvation is also a gift from God to a believer!

Its obvious for a Christian to go back to its vomit...but that doesn't mean he is condemned forever!
Even peter sinned but later repented after being chastised by Paul for neglecting the gentiles simply because he wanted to be seen as righteous in the sight of the Jews Galatians 1

Question...ever since you gave your life to christ,have you ever sinned?

Goshen360:
Brother, it is NOT A LAW.

You have to keep reading what happened to understand why Christ was making it look HARDER THAN JUST COMMITTING ADULTRY.

We use scriptures to understand or interpret another scripture. When you read scripture like "Christ is the END of the law to everyone that believes...." Romans 10v4 you understand what Christ was doing to those Jews in his time.

Let me help you out. The Jews was given the law of Moses NOT CHRISTIANS. The church or body of Christ is made of GENTILES and the JEWS. The gentiles were never given the mosaic law (Romans 2v14). These Jews so much pride in the Mosaic law to the point the elevated the law more than what it was intended to do.

So when you see or read Christ interpret the law and make it harder like the verse you quoted, He was making them COME TO THE END OF THEMSELVES AND SEE A NEED FOR HIM CHRIST AS THE SAVIOUR. Christ did the same to the rich young ruler who said all the laws he had obeyed from Childhood but Christ interpret the law to mean, he had made money his God's and told him go sell your possession and follow me. Do we therefore make that response from Christ a A LAW OR REQUIREMENT for eternal life which was the rich man question for what he can do to have eternal life.

So Christ is the end of the law to everyone that believes is true!

True!

jnrbayano:
It least I know Jesus observed Passover

Jesus observed ALL the laws of moses and that's because he was born under the laws of moses....
He "fulfilled" the laws of moses after he was crucified and resurrected!

With out the completion of the laws through the resurrection of Christ,we would never have been part of God!

We would still be labelled Gentiles simply because we ain't Jews!

The law,however, has its purpose(1 timothy 1: but not for "believers" to observe or use as their guide.

enilove:
Is this a law or not :

Matthew 5:27-28 KJV
Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
[28] But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

sorry for asking a question for your question but was Jesus under the law of moses before he died?
Did he observe the laws of moses while he was in his human body?

Your honest reply will answer your question...

Furthermore,LOVE is much more equipped than the law.....

Christ was only trying to show how weak and imperfect the law was....

let me explain....You shall not commit adultery....however,christ is emphasising the fact that for a sin to be committed,a thought must have provoked the outcome....
Hence,those who killed or committed adultery did so because they had already thought or done so in their heart before the actual deed took place....

Jesus only made more explanations to that law so that people will see how weak the law was....he never made a new law from it at that period!

Secondly there is no need for us to derail the purpose of discus....
The question is.....do believers still observe or must they use the laws of moses as a justification or as a guide?

Oga Abraham... I dey hail ohh

enilove:
Jesus did not say that other laws are now abolished. He only emphasized the importance of love in our lives :

Matthew 5:17-19 KJV
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them , the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus told us that he did not come to abolish the laws.
He even added to the laws. Before , until you commit adultery, you are not a sinner. But now , Jesus said lusting after a woman is now a sin of adultery.

Is that not additional law ?

Before you can be angry with someone and not be seen as a murderer , but Jesus added ANGER to it .

Why did God kill Anannais and Sapphira ?
Because they lied not because they did not love .

If love is all that is required of a christian , the fruit of the Holy Spirit needed would have been only LOVE.
But what says the Bible in Gal 5: 19-22 ?

Galatians 5:22-23 KJV
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[23] Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

And for you to have these fruits of the Spirit , you must have crucified your flesh. How does one crucifies the flesh ?
By observing or not doing what God says you should not do.
These are the Laws :

Gal. :5 19-21.
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. [19] Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these ; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, [20] Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, [21] Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

It is when you obey the voice of the Holy Spirit whenever He cautions you not to envy, strife , not to commit adultery, to reject adolatry etc , you are being led by the Holy Spirit.And then you can receive the fruit of the Holy Spirit.

You must obey the laws but not the statutes of shedding the blood of animals ,as rituals needed to be holy , according to the laws.

Good morning!

You cannot choose which law to obey and which law to leave out!

The law of moses is holist and trying to pick one to obey is being guilty of the other laws of moses!
Galatians 5:1-3
James 2:10-12

The scripture u put down actually validates the scripture that I stated..

Question is what is "fulfillment" in the Matthew 5:17?

Why did romans 13:8-12 emphasis the SUMMATION of ALL the laws of moses into ONE SINGLE LAW which is LOVE?

Now let's understand the word fulfillment and how it was used in both Matthew 5:17 and romans 13:8-12

Based on strong man's dictionary, the Greek name for fulfill is
plēroō

which means "bring to completion", "to accomplish a purpose"....
other definitions of pleroo have different meanings in the scripture but knowing their usage will enable you understand its direction!

So when Christ said he was "fulfilling" the laws,he was actually meant bringing the law to it's completion,or accomplishing the purpose of the law....

Hence Love was a "completion of the laws of moses" based on romans 13:8-10
In other words,the law has accomplished its purpose hence has been brought to completion.... giving rise to a better law which is LOVE!

This is made more explicit when you read Galatians 3:23-29

Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law.

But Scripture has locked up everything under the control of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.

Children of God Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed.

So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

ONE OF(IF NOT) the purpose of the coming of Christ was to bring to completion the laws and practices of moses...hence,it was unwise of him to "abolish" it at that point in time until his death and resurrection!

If Christ did not abolish the law like you said,why did the scripture regard the law of moses as imperfect, weak and obsolete... even useless in Hebrews 7:11-28


Hebrews 7:18
The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless (for the LAW made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

Also remember that the no scripture is of private interpretation.... any scripture rendered must have its corresponding scripture for comprehension!

if I may ask.....
Do we use the blood of goats and cows as sin offering?
Do we circumcise?
Do we burn incense based on the laws of moses?

James said in James 2:10-11

For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of BREAKING ALL OF IT. For he who said, “You shall not commit adultery,” also said, “You shall not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.


.....and to correct some impressions alluded to...
Ananias and his wife lied to keep some money which eventually led to their death but that was because they wanted to look "right" before God and men!
This is what the law brings or creates...."self-righteousness"

Had they known about the love of God,they would have offered what they had without having to lie!
....and besides,peter told him it was Ananias money and he was at leisure to give or not to give!

The scripture in Galatians 5 that you quoted also is actually a follow up of the post law era where the "Christ law" is now our guardian instead of the laws of moses! Galatians 6:2;5:22-23
Like I said initially,start reading Galatians 1-5 for better understanding of how the law gave way to the law of the spirit of life!

Galatians 5:22-23
Ephesians 2
Hebrews 7,8,9
Galatians 5

enilove:
The law says "thou shall not kill ". Can a christian now kill ?

Roman 13:8-10

Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

You don't need the law of moses to stop you from killing or committing murder....What you need is AGAPE LOVE!

The love of God!

ritylove:
All in the name of bad road may Buhari and his federal associates causing this wickedness never go unpunished amen..

The reason why that number has not increased is because we have bad roads....once the roads are repaired,that number will be tripled....

Stiffer punishments and strict adherence to reckless driving will help reduce road accidents!

fk001:
Abeg they should have mercy on the South African.



The Igbo is to be blame for it, after all he is the one that set him up.

Have mercy on him?

Was he coerced to sell cocaine or did he tell you it was his first time of moving such?

Was the south African blindfolded when he was sent by the Nigerian to sell cocaine?

was a gun pointed to his head to carry the cocaine?

If the south African had successfully transfered the product to its destination without detection,he would have taken his own share and continue selling more cocaine!

From your statements,its obvious you hate some group of people from a certain part of the country....however,don't let hatred make you lose your sense of judgement!

A clear example of a country practicing true federalism!

smh

The unnamed boss(who is also part of the FG) will release these men today and they will continue from where they stopped!

For the very fact that one of the suspects does not regret his actions only validates my claims!

lecturerdabo:
May I humbly inform you that the other girl you are crushing for also have a friend prettier than her!

You are not ready for serious relationship, you are looking for "chop and clean mouth"

Just go ahead and bed the two friends thereafter continue with their friends and friends friend!!

True
I also thought ladies have a high level of intuition....
so how is it possible that the lady could not decipher that this guy actually wants her friend?

So disgusting and irritating........

I feel for the parents who were already anticipating that their daughters will one day come home to show them their future hubbies.....

instead,they are sadly seeing their daughters shamefully kissing each other on social media!

When bad and terrible things start happening to these ladies,they will be the first to ask God... "why me?"

but why is klopp afraid of making changes nah....?
crystal is a man down.....firimino isn't clicking....bring in the likes of shaqiri and frustrate crystal palace before they score an undeserved equalizer!

Red card to Aaron Wan-Bissaka