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Heartlessbanker:
can you give me some concrete proof that Jesus does not exist?

A great man who fed more than 5000 people in Israel on two different occasions with five loaves of bread and two fishes, who drove people out of the Jewish temple forcefully, who threatened the rulership of Herod the king by his claim of being a king, who did miracles of raising the dead several times, healing the lame, crippled, etc. but could not make any history book of his contemporaries, except a religious book called the bible. What does that communicate to you?

Heartlessbanker:
so ywe shouldn't believe the bible but;believe your book?

Is that what you saw in this history?

karo93:
Additional biblical proof for a moving Sun was seen in Ecclesiastes
1:5, where it is said:
"The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his
place where he arose."


Other biblical verses were interpreted as scriptural evidence that the
Earth is fixed and immovable:

Psalm 93:1
"(...) the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved."

Psalm 104:5
"Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever."

1 Chronicles 16:30
"(...) the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved."


Upon these text passages from the Old Testament, theologians based the
doctrine of a fixed Earth with the Sun orbitting it. For example,
Cardinal Robert Bellarmine (1542-1621) referred to these passages,
when he became involved in the controversy about Galileo Galilei's
work. On 12 April 1615, he wrote in a letter, refusing Galilei's
scientific concept of the Sun being orbited by the Earth which proved
wrong the doctrine:

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=425191

The sun appearing to be moving around the earth is an illusion. For example, if you are in a moving bus, you will observe as if those standing by the road side and the trees were moving swiftly backward. That illusion was what deceived the Bible people. Because the earth is moving, we start seeing the sun as if it is the one moving around the earth. That's natural illusion.

tsinzu:
Where did the Bible ever say the sun was moving around the earth?

Read the Book of Joshua where they said Joshua commanded the sun to stand still.

karo93:
The story of the discovery of the earth revolving around the sun is true.....but i just realised that your credibility @OtemAtum is quite weak on this forum.....no one can even tell the difference between when you are stating facts or cooked up stories.

So Copernicus to you is a fictitious character

The Bible once recorded erroneously that the sun was moving around the earth. When Aristarchus spoke against this view and said that the earth and other planets revolve around the sun either, they almost tore him to pieces in their ignorance. Then many years after came Copernicus. Then he made known the fact which the Bible is not aware of. That truth is that the earth and other planets are revolving around the sun. Read the History below:

Pivadra 17: 1- 42

1. Nicolaus Copernicus was a male homo sapiens born in the 281,473rd year of the homo sapiens era, which is the 1473C.E.
2. He was born in Poland. Now when Copernicus began to grow, he began to discover himself to be a reincarnation of a being who had existed in the past.
3. Now Copernicus discovered himself to be a certain person named Copernius in his past life.
4. When he had discovered the kind of person that Copernius was in the past world, he decided to live a life totally different from that of his past carnation.
5. Now he loved science, medicine, astronomy and mathematics. Then he also involved himself in political matter.
6. Now when Copernicus had checked and thought it through, he began to discover that the sun, rather than the earth, was at the centre of the solar system while the whole planets revolved around it.
7. But in those days, the people of the earth assumed the solar system to be the whole of the universe and thought that the sun and all the planets were revolving around the earth.
8. Now when the idea of Copernicus came to the notice of some prominent figures, they made fun of him, saying, Copernicus does not know how to reason well.
9. How could he ignore the assertion of the bible and bring a view totally contrary? He is a big fool for not knowing that the sun and the planets revolve around the earth according to the holy bible.
10. Now Barbara, who was the sister of Copernicus, told the catholics about the assertion of Copernicus and they visited him to make arguments with him.
11. And they said, O Copernicus, have you not read the book of Joshua in the bible? Did you not know that Joshua commanded the sun to stand still while it was revolving around the earth?
12. How could you think yourself wiser than Jehovah our god through whose inspiration the bible is written?
13. Now Copernicus said to them, I do not get overtly involved in religion because religion is deprived of true knowledge.
14. And it is a great pity that the religious ones do not know that they do not know what they do not know, but they think that they know all things already, thereby creating no room for expansion of knowledge.
15. But knowledge is the ability to know that you know what you know and also the ability to know that you do not know what you do not know.
16. For with the sincerity of my mind do I say this, the writer of the book of Joshua which you quoted from the bible does not know that he doesn't know the truth about the solar system.
17. But I know that in the future, it shall be well known that the earth revolves around the sun, which is contrary to the position of the bible.
18. Now when the Catholics heard the confession of Copernicus, they reported him to the church, saying, Copernicus speak heresy. Should he not be put to death?
19. Now Copernicus was arrested and kept in the Catholic Court in Poland. And they demanded that he should recant his beliefs.
20. Now Copernicus said, I cannot say otherwise, because I am convinced that I am not wrong concerning the heliocentric nature of the universe.
21. Now the catholic priests colluded and said, this man is mad, for he does not fear punishment, because he has an uncle who is very influential. Therefore let us send for Lucas his uncle to bail him out.
22. For we know that Lucas the bishop of Warmia is rich and very influential. And he shall share with us much wealth.
23. So Lucas, the uncle of Copernicus went to the Catholic Court and said, I am ready to pay a huge price to save my nephew from danger of death or castration.
24. So Lucas bailed Copernicus with a very large sum of money. Then he said to Copernicus, promise me O Copernicus that you will no more speak anything contrary to religious texts at least in my lifetime. For I know that you do not want to be associated with religion, which is the reason why you have rejected many religious positions offered to you in the past because of my status.
25. So Copernicus promised his uncle to be silent concerning anything that he had found contrary to the beliefs of Christianity.
26. Then in those days, he pretended to be going well along with religious duties.
27. Now after the death of his uncle, he made his model of the universe public again. Then he explained his heliocentric model to the secretary of the pope called Clement VII.
28. And he said, Widmannstetter, I have clearly explained this heliocentric model of the universe to you and I am sure that you will explain it well to the pope as he has demanded.
29. I am counting on you to bring me good news.
30. So Widmannstetter, the secretary of the pope went in to the pope and explained the model clearly to the pope and the pope found it very convincing such that he said, I shall reward you for this.
31. Now when both the Catholics and the protestants heard what Clement VII did, they were filled with rage, saying, the pope is dining in the same plate with a heretic.
32. Let him be removed from the papalcy.
33. Now when efforts were not made to remove Clement VII from the position of papalcy, some men were sent to poison the pope.
34. So did the pope eat a poisoned fruit without anyone's awareness. Then he died, being only fifty-six years old.
35. Now when pope Paul III was made pope, he also loved the heliocentric model of Copernicus and he gave him free entry and exit to his court, learning astronomy from him.
36. Now this thing displeased the killers of Clement VII, but they had no power over the new pope.
37. So the heliocentric model of Copernicus began to be accepted by even the great leaders of Christianity over the geocentric model of the bible in those days.
38. And even Nikolaus von Schönberg, who was the Archbishop of Capua, charged Copernicus to publish his heliocentric model.
39. Now Copernicus said, I know that I have received the backings of the great leaders of the Catholic church that I should publish my works and most especially the heliocentric model which I discovered.
40. But I do not want to be ridiculed by the ignorant ones. For they make fun of true knowledge and carry their ignorance from one generation to the other.
41. But for the sake of the future, I shall publish it and be seen as a great one in the future.
42. So Copernicus published his works and his heliocentric model was made known to many in those days, but it was not accepted as the truth until many years after.

Kobojunkie:
Robert Bacon the Franciscan monk and philosopher?

Yes, same old Roger that is dead and gone to his grave ¶¶¶

It is 996 years and 29 days left for Jehovah to remain in his spiritual cage. Churches are still shut and eyes are opening gradually.

Jehovah has spent 3 years and 11 months in his spiritual cage. Churches are shut and eyes are opening daily.

Jesus is a fictitious character, whose story is patterned to look like the story of Faulkin of the neanderthals era. Both Faulkin of the Neanderthals and fictitious Jesus Sapiens are very very little and insignificant fragment of God Almighty, same as you and I are. Jehovah, Allah and all other beings in the multiverse are also insignificant fragment of God Almighty.

MusicSots:
Greetings sire. Please what is your take on the subject of the Holy Spirit?

Greetings to you. The Holy Spirit does not exist as people think of it. There is something called triad gods or trinity in the olden days. This is when three gods come together for the same goal. When christianity was invented, they tried to make it look similar to the triad gods of the former pagan religion, so they came about the father, son and holy spirit. You can check out some examples of triad gods below: Deorum 2:10-18 10. And these were the names of the gods which had paired up to form trinity: Osiris (husband), Isis (wife), and Horus (son),
11. Amun, Mut and Khonsu.
12. Ptah, Sekhmet and Nefertem.
13. Eriu, Fodla and Banba
14. Parvati, Lakshmi and Saraswati
15. Juventas, Juno and Minervas
16. Deino, Enyo, Pemphredo
17. Brahma, Vishinus and Shiva
18. And there were more than a thousand trinity gods all over the earth.

hopefulLandlord:
You two should get a room

Maybe in the romance section

Hmm. RIP. Enjoy your soul immortality as you continue your exploration of the universes in other planets.

fortran12:
What Adam adam and Eve caused was sin to come into the world via the devil and this enabled the nature of sin in humans. The the sinful nature that causes people to fight etc . people are sinners cos of the nature of sin. The sins are just a result of the sinful nature.
Doing good deeds does not remove the nature. Its faith in a sinless one that changes the nature. That is where Jesus comes in.
You mention Jesus was fictitious whn there is more evidence to support his life than other prominent people like Julius Caesar

That is a big fat lie. Funny enough, if you go to other planets of the universes where humanlike beings are living, they also do things like we are currently doing and they don't have any Adam and Eve there. The first humans on earth are not Adam and Eve and the behaviours or humans are not caused by one homosapiens mythical Adam and Eve. Read the Book of Universal History to find out the truth.

Jehovah is still in his cage

Jehovah is still in his spiritual cage

fortran12:
You mention they lay down principle to live by? Who is the source of this principle? Where is it gotten from?
Morality has a source and its from God.

As a matter of fact, the Totality of Everything In Existence is God. We do not have any argument from that angle. My argument is that the concept of sin brought to the world through Adam and Eve is false.

It is 996 years and 30 days left for Jehovah to remain in his spiritual cage. Churches are still shut and eyes are opening gradually.

Jehovah has spent 3 years, 10 months, 3 weeks and 6 days in his spiritual cage. Churches are shut and eyes are opening daily.

Omokowa:
The word of God is not mere men's reality please... You cannot understand the things of the spirit if you are not in the spirit. Yes you may be connected in the spirit with your own god, but others connect in the spirit with their own... Even bearing a Christian name does not guarantee one to understand the word of God, but if you seek him he shows you... The things of the spirit is not meant for everybody... Especially those that will abuse it

You deal with only one of the gods called Jehovah, but I deal with thousands of them. I see and record their activities and I can authoritatively tell you that currently Jehovah your god as well as thousands of religious gods is now held captive in a spiritual cage. If it is not so, I won't have the boldness to tell you this. May the Light of God Almighty reveal this truth to you someday.

Kobojunkie:
wrong, Ananias and Saphira lied against the Spirit of God .i.e. Blasphemy and that is the reason they died. They could have told the truth about the money and walked away still breathing but they both conspired to lie against the Spirit of God who lived inside of at least one of them at the time in question.
They probably didn't realize that the very same Spirit lived inside or everyone of Jesus Christ's followers, including Jesus Christ Himself.

It's obvious that the story is not true. It's just a way to make the Christians submissive to church authority. If not, see me Otem, I have made fun of the holy spirit of your god uncountable times, but I'm still healthy and wise However sha, that lying story didn't happen in our homosapiens era at all. It is only a brought-forward of the acted scripts of Petra, Ananias and Safir of the homo Erectus era and there is a reference of it in the Book of Universal History. Read it below:

Karmish 3: 16-27
16. Now Petra called Ananias to himself and said, if we do not use the Karmish to show that our god is powerful, then these proselytes shall not fear us, let alone our god. Now you shall act before them all the things which shall bring fear upon them.
17. And they shall not bring half-part of the money which they sold their belongings anymore thenceforth.
18. Now when the new proselytes began to bring their money, laying them before Petra and the other co-founders of Krishtanite in Juda, Ananias came suddenly and laid his money before Petra and the others.
19. And Petra said, I know that you have brought not the full amount of money to me. And this is a sin against the Holy Spirit of our god. Now Ananias denied, saying, I have indeed brought all the amount which I sold my land.
20. And Petra said, for lying against the Holy Spirit, you shall have your place among the dead now. And when Ananias had heard this, he fell backward, pretending to be dead. For he foamed in the mouth and shut his eyes like one who is dead.
21. And some rushed to carry his body away.
22. Now Safir came into the tent also, according to how it was planned. And Petra asked Safir saying, how much did you sell the land? And Safir said, that which my husband has given to you is the amount with which it is sold. And Petra said, you have connived with your husband to lie against the Holy Spirit.
23. Now you shall die immediately too and those who buried your husband shall come to bury you also. And Safir fell down and pretended as if she was dead also. And they took her away. And all the proselytes who saw the event began to fear Petra and his colleagues so much.
24. And they feared their god even more, saying, if this god could kill anyone who lie immediately, then shall we not lie at all.
25. Now one named Shimmon who saw what happened came to Petra and said, I have not heard that there is anything called Holy Spirit. And Petra told Shimmon many fearful things about the Holy Spirit. And Shimmon feared before Petra.
26. Now at the close of the day, Petra and the other Krishtens said to Ananias, go and hide yourself so that you are not seen. For you have been declared buried. And Safir also went different way to make sure she was not seen by they who had thought her dead.
27. For Ananias was not the husband of Safir in the real life.

fortran12:
Lol. Prove it

What are the things you guys call sins?

Adultery, fornication, fighting, etc?
They said that it is Adam and Eve that committed sin and brought it to all other humans. So explain how all animals also commit fornication and fight.

Fighting, Sex etc are supposed to be nature of animals and humans right from origin, because of our emotions and differences. We didn't get it because of any cocky story in any holy book. We can only try to do without those things if we lay a principle to follow.

For you to know that these things are not brought to us by any sin, how come some humanists, moralists, atheists, Chinese monks etc who are not Christians and do not even know anything about nature of sin and the death of fictitious Jesus for their sins still manage not to fight and commit fornication? This is because they lay down a principle for themselves to follow.
The concept of sin is a big scam.

Playthepianos:
Blasphemy! But you are free to say whatever you like though.


Wow wow wow. I get amazed everytime I see the foolish words you spill out. You lack spiritual intelligence; based on your limited understanding of the story (which you call scripted), you interpret it with flaws.

Do you know who Ananias and Sapphira were? Did you know why they fell dead at Peter's words?

Lol. You can NEVER know, neither can you accept or understand, sadly.

I pray grace for you Sha.

I even know the origin of the stories of Ananias and Sapphira. They don't exist in our homo sapiens world here. Their story is just a brought forward adulterated story of a karmish of the homo Erectus reality. I will show you the reference of where these guys acted their scripts in the homo erectus era.

Karmish 3: 16- 27

16. Now Petra called Ananias to himself and said, if we do not use the Karmish to show that our god is powerful, then these proselytes shall not fear us, let alone our god. Now you shall act before them all the things which shall bring fear upon them.
17. And they shall not bring half-part of the money which they sold their belongings anymore thenceforth.
18. Now when the new proselytes began to bring their money, laying them before Petra and the other co-founders of Krishtanite in Juda, Ananias came suddenly and laid his money before Petra and the others.
19. And Petra said, I know that you have brought not the full amount of money to me. And this is a sin against the Holy Spirit of our god. Now Ananias denied, saying, I have indeed brought all the amount which I sold my land.
20. And Petra said, for lying against the Holy Spirit, you shall have your place among the dead now. And when Ananias had heard this, he fell backward, pretending to be dead. For he foamed in the mouth and shut his eyes like one who is dead.
21. And some rushed to carry his body away.
22. Now Safir came into the tent also, according to how it was planned. And Petra asked Safir saying, how much did you sell the land? And Safir said, that which my husband has given to you is the amount with which it is sold. And Petra said, you have connived with your husband to lie against the Holy Spirit.
23. Now you shall die immediately too and those who buried your husband shall come to bury you also. And Safir fell down and pretended as if she was dead also. And they took her away. And all the proselytes who saw the event began to fear Petra and his colleagues so much.
24. And they feared their god even more, saying, if this god could kill anyone who lie immediately, then shall we not lie at all.
25. Now one named Shimmon who saw what happened came to Petra and said, I have not heard that there is anything called Holy Spirit. And Petra told Shimmon many fearful things about the Holy Spirit. And Shimmon feared before Petra.
26. Now at the close of the day, Petra and the other Krishtens said to Ananias, go and hide yourself so that you are not seen. For you have been declared buried. And Safir also went different way to make sure she was not seen by they who had thought her dead.
27. For Ananias was not the husband of Safir in the real life.

SAMBARRY:
don't be stupid for the Bible says ONLY A FOOL SAYS IN HIS HEART THAT THERE'S NO GOD.who told you God is not real?

Did you even hear or read me say there's no God? Do I sound like an atheist to you? God Almighty, the Creator of Jehovah, Allah, Moloch, Atum, Olorun etc is the TOTALITY of Existence itself, so how wpuld I have said that There is no God?

I will like to add Pastor Godman Akinlabi of Elevation church. He treats people's eyes through operations, using the Ubomi project. He is a good example. However, church tithing is still a scam.

riczy:
Weed!

Not weed but wisdom.

Up CHELSEA!!!

fortran12:
The nature of sin has no relationship to doing good.

There's nothing like nature of Sin. That's a lie sold to you by Jehovah's false philosophy.

Webmannigeria:
Do your Knowing and do it on time: John 14:6

Use your brain and do good to humanity. Homo Sapiens III 15:12

BackllGodNaija:
It's obvious that you wouldn't see any point since you suffer from truth-blindness, for someone who could make the ridiculous excuse of the margin between the rich and poor to explain the low deaths in Africa from Covid-19 compared to the most scientifically advanced nations. You had to add that one because the excuse of hot weather has been destroyed by the rainy season which has been in full swing for over months now in most parts of Africa.

Science your god and master is my servant and the proof of that is if this message gets to you, because na me send am the message, which means you're my grand-servant. Meanwhile enjoy being the waste of the brain God gave to you with your unprovable imaginations.

You said that it is rainy season so no more hot weather, but you are not aware of the good the hot weather has already done before the rainy season. Also, you are calling science your servant but ordinary coding you cannot do Pls don't be ridiculous. Science is far far higher than Jehovah your god who is currently in a spiritual cage. Peace