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Omokowa:
Mr man, your belief is different from others please... If prayers are useless to you they are not to those who believe in them

I am not talking based on subjective views. I'm asserting the reality of life and that reality is that PRAYERS ARE USELESS. You can choose to keep praying, but it doesn't erase that simple fact that it is a useless effort.

Webmannigeria:
Keep HOLD of your believe and your practice. at the end of the day the words spoken on this pages WILL SPEAK.

I don't do belief, I do knowing. Currently, Jehovah, Allah and thousands of religious gods who don't want human mind to be free from religious slavery are held captive in a spiritual cage.

Baawaa:
Thank God you accepted that Jesus started with prayers and ended with prayers, He also instructed His followers to pray without ceasing

Jesus is a fictitious character.

Webmannigeria:
IAM that IAM.....The God Abraham - Isaac and Isreal ( Jacob ) Jehovah the Father our Lord Jesus Christ is the Only One and True God

How can Jehovah be God Almighty, yet he is currently being imprisoned by the gods of science?

Baawaa:
Player is the master key,Jesus started with prayer and ended with prayer

Fictitious Jesus can start and end with prayers, that's okay, but when real humans are wasting time praying, it calls for concern.

Webmannigeria:
There's only one GOD and HIS NAME is Jehovah

Jehovah is a very very insignificant fragment of God Almighty. God Almighty is the TOTALITY of Existence. Jehovah, Allah, Moloch, Enlil, Enki, Olorun and all other gods you humans worship are not up to 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000001% of God Almighty in magnitude.

pafo:
No one or book has described the "hypothetical" hell better than Dante in his book "Inferno". Its a better read than anything any one has ever preached even though I believe it's still trash. The only way to ensure control over the population is a promise of heaven for obedience for the authorities and damnation for disobedience.

Religion and politics are both instruments of control useful for every state to thrive.

You have spoken 100% truth.

Olatara:
I believe a Christian should pray in Jesus name. As a Christian, should I pray in Krishna's name or Allah's name?

You don't even need prayer at all because prayer is useless. It achieves nothing. Coincidences are the powers behind a seemingly answered prayer.

DropsMic:
DREAM.... THAT FUTURE WILL NEVER COME

Can't you see what's already happening? 20 years back, how many atheists and freethinkers do we have in Nigeria. Now we already have a handful of them. Stay in the religion section and you'll know what I'm talking about.

Image123:
Funny at mr. written history. Common sense tells me to discard you asap.

Then go ahead

mjabdulk:
From the above explanation and illustration, hopefuully, by using mathematics you can predict the age you will spend in the earth and die. If you can do that let hear from you.

It is not a general thing. I am only telling you the case of this man, which is not a general case.

englishmart:
You are trying to confuse someone

Someone will only get confused if he or she chooses to. That's why the link is there for that somebody to know the truth.

Stephen0mozzy:
I don't have a problem with you. I just have a problem with your comprehension Sir. Read my statement, I didn't say the Christian God or any God in particular. I said The one that your own soul will accept as the true God.

The gods you quoted are the comics, not the other 4,197

That's the problem I'm having with people like you. Why do you just dismiss 4,199 gods as comics like that?

Jehovah and Allah clearly supported Slavery. I'm happy that they are both in slavery themselves currently.

Stephen0mozzy:
We don't all pray to the same "entities", maybe you should take your faith away from comical gods and find your own path to the one your soul would find as the true God.

That's the problem I'm having with you guys. You feel that the other 4,199 gods are comical while only yours is true. Lol.

Looking at the Ananias and Sapphira story, I will say that it is Peter and the church that are greedy and not those victims. Why?:the land sold belongs to Anañias and Sapphira and not Peter. Peter and the Holy Ghost were covetous and greedy to want all the money and they got it by murdering the couple. What a shame!
Anyways, the story is just scripted, therefore it's a win win situation.

Stephen0mozzy:
Prayers are mere wishes to the unbeliever and useless to the unenlightened.

But to those of faith, prayer is more than just mumbling sentences in the believe that an omniscient earpiece is plugged to your desires. Prayer is voicing out your heart to someone you trust knows the best for you, and are submitting that whatever, the outcome, he knows best.

Prayer does not force God's hands. Faith does. Prayer is not an exam set for God that you have to invigilate his progress.

Las Las, prayers are useless. Read the book of Otem Erectus 226 to see how those entities you pray to regard your prayers whenever you pray.

Otem Erectus 226: 16, 17

16. and Eubius said, what shall happen to the history of Krishtanite which I have written? I shall rather protect it, or else I shall be found the greatest liar in history. and Mirza and Moloch and Eshu and many other gods said, the fun of the earth shall be lost when they do not call upon our names anymore.
17. and their continual weeping to the gods, being fun to us, shall be a thing of the past. No, we shall not allow this. Now while they spoke, the gods who wanted science and development in the world came and said, are you ready for the battle? and they said, we are ready.

Africans always act inferior in all aspects of life, hence, they bow to white men's inventions. But I see a future Africa that can stand his own ground and live without foreign gods and religions.

Your prayers may not be answered because prayers are useless and are mere wishes. If wishes were horses, beggars will ride.

Homo Sapiens III 15:12 sacrifices are useless and prayers are for the weak. But he who wants to be great will use his head to think deep, be his own god and do good to his fellow

Image123:
Ohhhhh, the written history. This is going to be nice. So it is what you say versus what the Bible says that will win this. And i am supposed to discard the Bible and swallow your written history?

Where have I ever told you to discard the Bible? I don't need to tell you that. Common sense should rather tell you that, not me.

Playthepianos:
Haha. I laugh in Swahili. It is so overwhelming so see this height of gross deception. No problem, we shall see.

We are seeing

Image123:
You have the video?

No, just the written history.

Juliusmomoh:
Nago... ( in igala language )

Omaye mi le le

Image123:
The One who is Almighty Jehovah God. He created the earth and all that is in it. How many villages have you created so far?

Jehovah can't create even a dwarf planet like Pluto let alone creating the earth. I can show you the history of when Jehovah first landed on the already-created earth if you care to know.

Image123:
i refer to One, not those ones. The One that you are always thinking of and fighting against.

I kick against two of them especially, Jehovah and Allah, and both of them are mere little little beings like myself and yourself. God Almighty is the TOTALITY of EXISTENCE.

Image123:
God Almighty is the One that you are always thinking of and fighting against.

No bro. Those ones are small small gods like myself. They are just insignificant subsets of God Almighty, just like me.

Redoil:
otematum the ebira man all ways

Hey, my long time friend. How are you doing? It's been a while now.

Sometimes when human beings perform one discipline diligently, they tend to get revelations along that thing. Some musicians have testified to seeing Michael Jackson in their dreams humming songs with them. Philosophers have gotten different philosophical ideas from dreams and revelations, etc. Boxers have gotten revelations about their careers, e.g Sugar Ray Robinson. This thread is a about Cardano, a Mathematician who was so good in Mathematics that he even got the Mathematical date of his death.

Read below:
Pivadra 15 :1- 27
1. Girolamo Cardano was a great scientist born in the 281,501st year of the homo sapiens era, being the 1501C.E in Italy.
2. When Cardano had grown to a teenager, he showed great interest in Physics, Mathematics, Chemistry and Biology.
3. He searched for knowledge also in philosophy and astronomy and also medicine.
4. Now Cardano loved science and numbers so much that he played with numbers and arrived at many mathematical conclusions.
5. In those days, he made use of the binomial theorem, the permutation and combination tables, probabilities and complex numbers. He also invented some devices, such as the combination lock and the gimbal, which in those days were seen as the devices of the devil by the Christians.
6. Now the catholic Christians suspected him and summoned him to their court.
7. And they said, Cardano, you have been reported by your colleagues in the University of Pavia for making calculations for the devil. For we know that you seek by all means to arrive at the number 666 which is against our doctrine. And it has been reported that you arrive at negative numbers and some numbers which are beyond human comprehension.
8. Now Cardano said, do not see my works as the works of the devil. Rather, see them as the manifestations of God Almighty.
9. For there are hidden knowledge which the world is yet to explore. And by continuous expansion of knowledge in mathematics, physics, chemistry, biology and medicine shall we arrive at it.
10. Philosophy also should not be static but dynamic. For any static philosophy does not have room for improvement.
11. Such is the philosophy of religion. For any improvement to its philosophy is seen as heresy.
12. Now grant me that I go and continue my works, for I have nothing against you Christians, but I philosophise in peace and in harmony with nature.
13. Now the religious ones took him and sent him to jail, saying, you may continue to philosophise in prison.
14. For your philosophies are harmful to the minds of the people.
15. Now there was much pressure on the christian leaders by the masses that Cardano should be released, but the church resisted the call and left him imprisoned for twelve months.
16. Then at the ascension of Pope Gregory XIII as the pope, he was released on the condition that he would not make his philosophy loud.
17. Now some of the religious leaders argued with one another at his release and it was discovered that Pope Gregory had received bribe from the hands of Vianni, the best friend of Cardano to set him free.
20. Because it was initially intended that Cardano would be burned to ashes on the stake.
21. Now when the pope was under pressure concerning the release of Cardano, he went and took him back, saying, you must come and stay in my court.
22. And I shall make you a religious leader also, or else you shall be burnt to ashes. So was Cardano taken to live with the pope for the rest of his life.
23. And he could no more practise his philosophies and science, but to secure his life, he had to perform forceful religious obligations.
24. Now when Cardano was old, he was released. Then he went to join himself to a group of physician and then he continued to practise science and philosophy.
25. Now on the day when Cardano became seventy years old, he had a dream and saw his dead son Giovanni surrounded in a strong light.
26. And he said, father, four years and you shall come to join us here. Now Cardano woke up from sleep and declared it to everyone, saying, I shall die at the age of 74.
27. Now according to the prediction of Cardano, he died at the age of 74, shortly after his birthday.

Dtruthspeaker:
History of a man who used his ability to think!

Exactly

BackllGodNaija:
Oh boy see excuses lol! Weather that became cold over two months is still used as an excuse, even though it was flimsy when the weather was hot. And then the new one, margin between the extremely rich and poor?? Guy, you'd have had more dignity left if you just admitted that it was a unusual outcome even if you don't want to credit God with it. I mean how low can your obsession against God get?

As for Coronavirus, science had to do copy copy from God's creation to be able to identify it otherwise it would be chasing shadows. And the reason it wasn't able to match the virus was because it still has a lot to learn from God's school. It's still at kindergarten level lol.

Btw you've not still responded to my request for you to show me a picture of who you said was in a cage. Or is the cave beyond your reach? Science your God is my servant and the proof of that is if this message gets to you because that's what I'm using to send this message. So prove yours except it fake and you're truly a waste of the brain that God gave to you.

There's no single point in everything you made here. Also, based on the fact that scinece is using the things of God to discover and invent stuffs, we don't have arguments there too, because Science is a subset of God(Totality of Existence) but it has the most concentrated form of God in it, unlike religion that are making use of a very diluted form of God. While Science keep discovering the true nature of Existence(God Almighty), religion is obsessed with discovering the nature of the gods(aka Jehovah, Allah, Moloch, Ahura Mazda, El, Enki, Enlil, etc.)

Concerning your second point, currently there is no invention made by humans to take a snapshot of the spiritual things and bring them to our physical earth here. Maybe we should wait for science to invent it, or what do you think? Will religion invent it before science does?

PRE4:
OtemAtum is just obsessed with religions.
You are a good philosopher but i will advice you to stick to your own belief and leave Religious folks alone.
In my life as a Christian there are innumerable things i have benefited from serving the Only true Almighty God.
Whenever i prays he answers,he even warns me ahead of danger and even avert most of it.
No amount of philosophies can change the fact that God remains God.
There are other gods out there but the only way to the true God is Jesus Christ.Anybody that denies that is an Anti Christ.
Allah is not God,it is one of the gods in saudi arabia in medieval times.
OtemAtum this God that created you still loves you,he is patiently waiting for you to come to him.

I appreciate the fact that you recognise that I'm a good philosopher, however this philosopher here in question isn't me. He is Averroes and well known to the Muslim community. About you talking about praying to a god and it seems you get answers, that's not something totally out of place. As a matter of fact, some of our wishes come to pass without praying to any of these beings or even by praying to stones, sticks, pots, etc. It is just natural. It's not your prayer that works, but the Power of Coincidence. If you want to prove me wrong, make a table and put names of different stuffs there. Then pray to each of them as you always do. You might be shocked to even discover that it would seem as if one or more of them answered your prayers more than Jehovah you say you are praying to.

Assignment: Make a table of 10 rows and 5 columns. Write the following names in each coloumn:

1. Jehovah
2. Pot
3. Biscuit
4. Saliva
5. Yourself

Do your prayers 9 times to each of these things. Separate prayer points. After the time has elapsed, check which of them seem to answer your prayers most. You might be shocked that at the end of the period, this will be your result:

Jehovah 1/9
Biscuit 2/9
Saliva 3/9
Pot 4/9
Yourself 5/9

That's how it works. Prayers are mere wishes and they will either come to pass or not, with or without involving any god or things. Do you know that my wishes come to pass even more than the times when I was a religious person?

Let me leave you with the history of Luwabi, so that you can correlate this. The embolden answer your curiosity.

Luwabi 15: 1- 39

1. Luwabi overturned a large pot in front of his house. And he wrote saying, do not open. It is the secret of Luwabi. If you open it and see what you do not wish to see, then it is your own problem, because I have forewarned you saying, do not open.
2. Now rumours began to spread all around about the covered pot of Luwabi. And the egungun of that land said, under the pot of Luwabi are his charms. And he shall hurt many with it.
3. And some said, Luwabi is a wizard. He has covered the destiny of many homos in it.
4. And some said, Luwabi is one of the Alawo of the land. And some admirers of Luwabi feared and said, Luwabi is using our destiny to prolong his own life.
5. And the Igunnuko and Eyo of other lands also said that Luwabi is into a very big cult.
6. Now every day, Luwabi would sit on top of the upturned pot and smile at those passing. And they feared him greatly, saying, Luwabi is a blood-sucker and a wizard.
7. And many withdrew their children from going to the court of Luwabi.
8. Now in a year, many beliefs had been formed around the pot of Luwabi. And some said, the pot of Luwabi is the pot of magic.
9. And many came to say that they saw Luwabi in their dreams casting spells at them from the pot.
10. And some said the pot contains earthworms and snails, while others said it is filled with evil cowries.
11. Now a homo fell sick when he remembered that Luwabi had fed him from similar pot before. And the homo said, I did eat with Luwabi from the pot, not knowing that Luwabi was using my destiny.
12. And even those who said they were witches and wizards began to fear Luwabi greatly.
13. And the fame of Luwabi spread far into many lands. And they feared him even from those lands.
14. Now some of the priests of the gods came to Luwabi, saying, tell us the secret of your power.
15. But Luwabi said, I cannot share the secret with anyone. My pot is outside there, go and open it.
16. Now many of them began to hate Luwabi. And they met together, saying, let us conjure fearful dreams and send it to his head. And he shall fear if he dreams it.
17. Now one said, if Luwabi does not think of us, how shall he dream about us? Now let us go around his house and scare him.
18. Now the people went around Luwabi’s house and called his name, saying, Luwabi, we witches shall destroy your life in your dream today. We shall tear your flesh apart.
19. Now Luwabi heard them and smiled. And then he went to bed.
20. Now all the people gathered together to imagine what they wished to let Luwabi see in his dream. And they imagined deep into the night, saying, since Luwabi has already heard our threat, he shall dream it also.
21. Now when Luwabi was asleep, he saw many birds flying over his head to tear him apart. But because he had trained himself not to fear anything, he was not afraid in the dream.
22. And Luwabi said in the dream, birds of the dream, shall you follow me out of the dream? If I wake up now, shall you not all be wiped out with the dream?
23. Then Luwabi woke up from his sleep and laughed.
24. Now when Luwabi came out of his house, he went to sit on the pot again. And the people who threatened him saw him and were surprised. For they thought that he would have died in his sleep overnight.
25. Now two brave homos said to themselves, we shall upturn the pot of Luwabi to know what he has kept under it. Now it was already three years since the pot was there. And many stories had been formed around it.
26. And even many priests had been threatened by its presence, yet they were afraid to open it. And those who feared so much came to worship the pot, so that they would not be destroyed by the power in it.
27. And they brought sacrifices in calabashes and placed them before the pot. But Luwabi fed their sacrifices to his animals, but no one knew. For they thought that the pot had accepted the sacrifices.
28. And some homos had formed a religion woven around the pot. And the pot did they make their god. And they made panegyrics for the pot.
29. And they said, Ikoko Luwabi orisa wa(meaning the pot of Luwabi, our own god).
30. Now the two brave men whose names were Akin and Gbajumo came to the pot at noon. And they said, we shall open the pot and dare the consequences.
31. So many gathered to watch them open the pot. And those who worship the pot came and said, do not open it, because it is our god. And since we began to worship it, it has been protecting us from evil.
32. However, Akin and Gbajumo proceeded and lifted up the pot. And many homos scattered to different directions, running when no one was chasing them. And those who were curious were shocked beyond imagination. For they saw nothing under the pot and they were disappointed.
33. Now it was known before the passing away of that day that the pot of Luwabi contained nothing. And they who had built their worship around the pot wondered, saying, why then are we protected when we changed our gods to worship the pot as our new god?
34. Who protected us from death when we left the worship of Ogun and Sango and even Oya to worship this pot?
35. Now Luwabi sat them down and said, you protected yourself with what you believe. For if you believe that you are protected, then you shall be protected. You do not need any god to protect you, but your own mind.
36. When you see a pot turned upside down, you think it is covering up something. But the truth of the matter is that it covers up nothing worth checking. So are many beliefs. They are made up of nothing but vacuums, yet they have power to protect you and to make you look powerful because you have put your belief in them.
37. Now the homo, who fell sick after thinking of the food he ate from the pot before it was overtuned, came to Luwabi because he had become well. And he said, baba Luwabi, if indeed the pot did not cover anything, how then did I fall sick?
38. How then did I dream that a snake was inside the pot turned over?
39. Then Luwabi said, your fear made you dream so and not because there is a snake under it. That is what fear can do to anyone. Now because you have known that there is nothing under it, you became well again. So is life. Many die because of their ignorance.