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It is not logical to use assumptions in the case of God Almighty. God Almighty is the TOTALITY of Existence, not any of these little little beings like Jehovah and Allah who are trying hard to impersonate what is called God. God Almighty is the Summation of Existence and everything in existence is a part of it. We can't die and face the Totality of Existence(God) because we are a part of it. Hell fire is the imagination of beings like Jehovah, Allah, El, etc but the Light of God Almighty has made it impossible for human beings to experience such illusionary state. It is foolishness to believe that a sky daddy exists just because of hell fire. It is wise to know that God Almighty is Existence itself.

elated177:
Caged by who or what?

Caged in which planet?

He is caged by the beings who favour science above religion in ruling the earth. He is caged in a vacuum. The vacuum isn't within any planet, but I can demonstrate it with the structure of the Totality of Existence(God). Look at the picture below

chidera39:
Quick question for those that don't believe in God .
You have your science-inspired terms, reasons and experiences that you use to emphasize your disbelief. you're able to explain the coming of the Bible, how religion came about and why it is false and unreal to justify your disbelief, But how do you explain the miracles; the casting of demons, healings, manifestation of the holy Spirit, the inner peace that comes with being born again ??

I am not an atheist but I think I can explain some of these things.

There is nothing like casting of demons. It's just false manifestations to keep the gullibles gullible. Have you ever wondered why it is easy for many pastors and ordinary church workers to cast out demons but can't cast out CoVid 19 at isolation centres? There is nothing like religious healing. Can you tell me one cancer patient whom you knew got healed by any pastor? Inner peace by being born again? That one is a package that follows every belief you chose on earth. For example, the Muslims have inner peace worshipping their god, with the hope that their god will put them in his heaven when they die. Same as Buddhism, Hinduists, Atheists, Freethinkers, Shintoists, etc.

Brunicekid:
You will come to the revelation of Jesus.

When? How soon? Pls give a time frame so that I can know when to make a nairaland thread about this post of yours?

elated177:
Like I stated; you are mischievous. YAHVEH is the name which I use.

All join, Yahveh, YHWH, Yahweh, Jehovah, etc. He is the god of Christianity who's currently in a spiritual cage.

elated177:
Aha! Otematum, the mischievous one. Make your head no fall off o.

I have made it clear to you, many times I might add, that I don't use the name 'Jehovah'. But your mischievous mind will not let you assimilate it. Did I use the name 'Jehovah' in the comment that you quoted?

Well, that is by the way. We have been down this road before.

Oh, you are that YHWH man. All na same sha. YHWH is currently in a spiritual cage and it's a pity that people are worshipping a prisoner.

elated177:
Like I stated earlier, the life and time of the Word of life, Yahushua the Messiah, the begotten Son of the Creator of the ends of the Earth, YHVH Almighty, have been recorded by those who knew him and witnessed the great and awesome things he did while physically on earth. Who were all Jews, by the way.

So, whether the so-called renown historians of those years recognized him or not is irrelevant to my righteous walk and has no iota of bearing on my love for him.

My Scriptures present me with all I need to know about the Saviour of the world, Yahushua the Messiah, who himself is the only way, the truth and the life. There is no other way to the Creator of the heavens, the earth, the seas and everything in them, apart from through his Word.

His Word is life.

His Word is Truth.

His Word is one with him.

His Word is his Salvation.

His Salvation is Yahushua the Messiah.

El Elohe Yahshrael! Hallelu Yah!

Hmm. I only shake my heads when I see comments like this. While Jehovah your god is currently experiencing unconsciousness in his spiritual cage, you and some ignorant Christians are busy singing his praise. What a pity!

MightySparrow:
Do you realize that most leading scientists are religious? Albert Einstein, Micheal Faraday, Gregor Mendel - priest, Emmanuel Cant Galileo Galilee, Isaac Newton who wrote an exposition on The Prophecy of Daniel? Algebra in Mathematics is founded by a Muslim?

Do you know that without associating yourself with one religion or the other in those days, you could be killed for heresy by the Catholic Church and the pope. Do you know that currently in Nigeria, in the registration forms we fill, there is no space for freethinking, atheism, etc, so people have to make a choice of either Christianity or Islam, or else you can't go ahead with what you are filling. I will give you examples of trials faced by one of these scientists and how he had to resolve to associate himself with christianity to save his life.

Pivadra 18: 9-45

9. In those days, in the 16th century, galileo Galilee, a wise man of Italy, began to observe that the earth and other planets were indeed revolving around the sun.
10. Now when the church of Rome heard this, they said among themselves, this is heresy, for we know that the bible has revealed that it is the sun that moves around the earth and not the other way round.
11. Now Galilee was called and tried, saying, it is either you renounce your confession or you shall be tried with death as we have done to many like you.
12. Remember the death of Thanos, one who declared that humanity is capable of achieving whatever their minds could conceive.
13. We did not spare him for his heresies because he has glorified humans more than our god.
14. Remember also the death of Silvanus, a man who said that it is possible to view far objects as if they are closer.
15. We decapitated him after stoning him to death.
16. For it is witchcraft to think and imagine that a man is capable of making far objects appear closer. For that is exactly what you have also attempted by the telescope which you have made through witchcraft.
17. And you think that you are wiser than the great Ptolemy who saw how the sun revolves around the earth.
18. Is it not common sense for you to see that the sun truly revolves around the earth? For Joshua the great one of the bible said this in his days.
19. And only in his days did he make the sun to stand still. And if you observe the sun, you will see how it rises in the east and sets in the west daily.
20. What have you to say about this?
21. Now galilei said, you cannot know so much about things of nature through far distance observation. Therefore I have made the telescope, look through it and you shall observe the truth.
22. Now the pope and other Noble members of the Roman Catholic Church got provoked and said, you have made a device which is made to look like a bottomless pit.
23. We shall not look through it, for it will enchant and blind us. For we know your evil intention.
24. Now Galilee, if you will save your life, you should denounce your profession and come fully to Christianity and you shall be given an office.
25. Now Galilee said, to preserve my life I shall consent to your request, but let no office be giving to me in Christianity.
26. So Galilee was put in prison by the Christians without any intention of setting him free, because he told them the truth of nature.
27. Now when galilei was in prison, a letter reached him, which had been written by Kepler his friend just before his death three years before.
28. Now galilei read saying, my friend galilei, let the strength of the universe be with you. I write this letter because I do not know if I will see you physically anymore.
29. You know how I have worked as an astronomer all my lives and I have discovered the truth. I have supported Copernicus in his heliocentric theory.
30. But only one thing I have not been able to make sense of; that is the reconciliation of the Christian religion with science.
31. When I could not see how Jehovah, Jesus and the Holy Spirit could fit into our discoveries, I began to perceive them as the sun, the stellar sphere and the space in between in that order.
32. But O galilei, I think this still does not make any sense, therefore I urge you, if you will stay longer on earth, to make sure you separate science from religion.
33. For it is possible that the thing which we could call God is not found in religion at all but in science itself.
34. Therefore O galilei, no matter what you discover, do not ascribe it to a god in religion, but to an unknown universal maker.
35. For as we make discoveries of things which even the bible is ignorant of, so shall we make discoveries of what is qualified to be called God in the future.
36. Now when galilei saw the letter, he wept bitterly, for the death of Kepler had left him lonely in the past three years.
37. Now galilei wrote a letter and gave it to one of his students who came to visit him in the house which served as his prison.
38. And he had written in the letter, saying, let no astronomer and true scientists panic over what the church had made me to say.
39. For truly I was offered life if only I could recant my knowledge of the truth. And I did so, only to stay alive.
40. For only the living and not the dead can have hope.
41. I do not support Ptolemy but Copernicus, for I do not only believe it, but I also saw it through my telescope that the earth revolves around the sun and not the other way round.
44. For the Christians, being myopic, have said contrary to this truth.
45. Now galilei died nine years after he was imprisoned, for he was sick of fever and he was abandoned by the Catholic Church who imprisoned him.

MightySparrow:
And you feel that science has invalidated what and whom it represent?

In many ways already, far back early centuries of scientific discoveries

MightySparrow:
You understand Science can you tell me about Bible?

Bible is one of the religious books on earth.

MightySparrow:
Expatiate

in the spiritual realm, this period is when the Age of Aquarius will come to fulfillment on earth. To achieve this age, human beings on earth have to start realising that religious gods are not God Almighty, rather, God is the TOTALITY of Existence. Science at this age is supposed to be what humans set their minds upon to help them achieve all things, rather than religion. In order to achieve this, the gods of science have to encage the gods of religion, so that reincarnation of religious beings into the earth will be an almost impossible task while science oriented people can freely be reincarnated into the earth. Therefore the gods of science encaged the gods of religion such as Jehovah, Allah, Moloch, etc. Many gods of religion joined the gods of science in their quest.

MightySparrow:
how?

Are you not aware that currently, Jehovah, Allah and thousands of religious gods are being caged by the gods of science?

MightySparrow:
God of the Bible is the ONLY true God. All others I don't know. He has been / is being misrepresented for ages.

Assuming god of the Bible as the Almighty God is the greatest error ever made by humans. How can you assume something which is less than 0.000000000000000000000000000000000001% of it as the whole of it? Okay, tell me, can God Almighty be caged or imprisoned? If not, why is the god of the Bible caged and imprisoned by the gods of science

WizzyVine:
The Bible made us understand that they were clothed with God's Glory. Their nudity was not exposed. The Glory departed when they are the fruit.

They afterwards sowed themselves leaves as aprons, God in His mercy eventually clothed them with animal skin.

lol at posed with glory

Jehovah has spent 3 years, 11 months and 2 days in his spiritual cage. Churches are shut and eyes are opening daily.

It is 996 years and 3 weeks and 6 days left for Jehovah to remain in his spiritual cage. Churches are still shut and eyes are opening gradually.

WizzyVine:
Permit me to answer you question even though it was not directed to me.

Man was created with a freewill. Freewill in simple terms is ability to make a choice. So, from the beginning Adam and Eve could choose what they wanted to do.

They were created with the ability live in obedience and so they initially chose to do so until Eve made a choice to reject God's commands and embrace the advice of the serpent.

Obeying God was a choice within their capacity, likewise, disobeying God was also something they could do. In the long run, they fell for the wrong choice.

Before eating the fruit, they could only do good and only good. After eating it, they could now do good and evil. The result was that Cain killed Abel, and today, man loves to do evil than to do good- an adverse effect of the fruit that Adam ate.

So they could only do good before eating the fruit abi. Do you mean posing nude is good, because according to the tales, it was after they ate the fruit that they started feeling the need not to pose nude

Kobojunkie:
Has man not now acquired the knowledge of Good and Evil? Has man learned to make better choices as a result?
What does that tell you? That the absence of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was the original problem?
Come on!!

I am not even in support of the freewill and tales by moonlight fruit of the bible. I am just trying to express Jehovah's excuses for sending fictitious Adam Sapiens and Eve Sapiens as inconsequential and unreasonable excuses. There is no fruit we eat to make us have knowledge, no, not in this homosapiens era. It's just a fable. We are born to gain knowledge by experience, or in rare occasions by revelations. Not by eating one fruit or the other.

ANTIlSLAM:
Just bring your brain come here ok

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If there's any brain for you to repair, it's definitely the brain of Jehovah your god

ANTIlSLAM:
Just bring your brain come here ok

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vicoloni:
I'm sending this boy's inspiring story and video to my boys. All they do all day is play video games!

What if your boys are potential video games best players? The might make Guiness World Record someday too.

ANTIlSLAM:
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Sorry to ask o, but is this your brain?

Kobojunkie:
And therein lies the problem.
The question again was...

From before the fall, we see that man was quite able to execute the simple command given to him. He had the ability to choose and did just that for all the period he, Man, did before the fall happened. Even without the knowledge of good and evil, he was quite able and capable to handle the instruction given to him. So, the answer is NO, man did not need the knowledge of good and evil in order to carry out the simple command that was given to him.

In your practical life, growing up, have you touched fire before, maybe as a child? When it burnt you, didn't you realise that fire is not good to be touched? Then after then, you started avoiding touching fire. That's what it means to have the knowledge of good and bad. But I'm still amazed for your outright denial of freewill which you even advocated for in that post I brought on here. This is called 'shifting the goalpost'.

ANTIlSLAM:
Maybe you'll conclude your mission in hell

Leave that one for your imprisoned god to try. That should not be your own preoccupation

Kobojunkie:
Oh, I believe there is freewill as is defined in the beginning which allows us to execute simple commands such as the one which I posted. Any other kind of freewill i.e. the kind defined in doctrines of men and the lot, NO, I do not.
So where in the Bible is the freewill which you refer to defined, so we can both be on the same page on this?

In the BibleEdit

The biblical ground for free will lies in the fall into sin by Adam and Eve that occurred in their "willfully chosen" disobedience to God.[11]

"Freedom" and "free will" can be treated as one because the two terms are commonly used as synonyms.[12] However, there are widespread disagreements in definitions of the two terms.[13] Because of these disagreements, Mortimer Adler found that a delineation of three kinds of freedom is necessary for clarity on the subject, as follows:

(1) Circumstantial freedom is "freedom from coercion or restraint" that prevents acting as one wills.[14]

In the Bible, circumstantial freedom was given to the Israelites in The Exodus from slavery in Egypt.[15]

(2) Natural freedom (a.k.a. volitional freedom) is freedom to determine one's own "decisions or plans." Natural freedom is inherent in all people, in all circumstances, and "without regard to any state of mind or character which they may or may not acquire in the course of their lives."[16]

The Bible, paralleling Adler, views all humanity as naturally possessing the "free choice of the will."[17] If "free will" is taken to mean unconstrained and voluntary choice, the Bible assumes that all people, unregenerate and regenerate, possess it.[18] For examples, "free will" is taught in Matthew 23:37 and Revelation 22:17.[19][clarification needed]

(3) Acquired freedom is freedom "to live as [one] ought to live," a freedom that requires a transformation whereby a person acquires a righteous, holy, healthy, etc. "state of mind or character."[20]

The Bible testifies to the need for acquired freedom because no one "is free for obedience and faith till he is freed from sin's dominion." People possess natural freedom but their "voluntary choices" serve sin until they acquire freedom from "sin's dominion." The New Bible Dictionary denotes this acquired freedom for "obedience and faith" as "free will" in a theological sense.[18] Therefore, in biblical thinking, an acquired freedom from being "enslaved to sin" is needed "to live up to Jesus' commandments to love God and love neighbor."[21]
Jesus told his hearers that they needed to be made "free indeed" (John 8:36). "Free indeed [ontós]" means "truly free" or "really free," as it is in some translations.[22] Being made "free indeed" means freedom from "bondage to sin."[23] This acquired freedom is "freedom to serve the Lord."[24] Being "free indeed" (i.e., true freedom) comes by "God's changing our nature" to free us from being "slaves to sin." and endowing us with "the freedom to choose to be righteous."

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_will_in_theology

Kobojunkie, you who believe in freewill, why are you suddenly not believing in freewill for Adam and Eve anymore.

Kobojunkie:
The bible says they have freewill, where?

I am coming, let me do a search engine work on your moniker to see if you are one of those who have used freewill to justify Jehovah's foolishness in the past. If you happen to have used it before eeh .... I am coming for you

[quote author=ANTIlSLAM post=92240191][/quote]Virus sef go fear Otem When I am not through with my mission on earth?

Growing up in those days, they always dish us many of this kind of fabricated stories eeh. You just have to fall for them sha

Kobojunkie:
Where you told that there was indeed freewill or did you hear of this from the mouth of others and are pretending you can spew that back at me in some sensible manner?

Again.... does a system require thorough knowledge of good and evil in order to execute the command was simple Do { A NOT B }?

Adam and Eve have freewill, according to your bible. So the freewill should be what made them eat the fruit. Jehovah your god should have also let them have knowledge of good and bad so that they will be able to put their freewill in check in this case. Jehovah must be sick in the head for forgetting to including knowledge(of good and bad) with freewill for Adam and Eve.