Nofav0rs:
First of all, Kabba is a town not a dialect. Secondly, the fact your gf is from Kabba doesn't make you an okun man and doesn't make you know more than I do about my people. My mum and dad are both Okun, I am Okun, I know my background, I speak fluently my dialect and I'm so in touch with my background. It's disrespectful to come out of wherever you crawled out from to tell me I'm not an okun man.

It will interest you to know that Late Sunday Awoniyi was the first ACF Chairman

I am an Okun man and I'm NOT Yoruba. Thank you

I respect your opinion of not being a Yoruba, I'm just trying to tell you it's just your personal opinion and you're alone on this. We had Okun group we aggitated for boundary adjustment to make Okunland part of SW in the last national convention..
Kabba is not a dialect but people would say "ede Kabba" when they hear Okun people speak.
And it might interest you to know that we speak more "okuns" in our sentences so don't even go there.

Nofav0rs:
Your ignorance stinks to heavens

A denial of origin will never change who you are.
The people in Oka Akoko in Ondo State speak pure Kabba dialect (the village is just few minutes drive from Kabba anyway). The fact that they are in SW doesn't make them anymore Yoruba than Kabba people. I've met and lived with dozens of people from the so called Okunland (heck! My fiancee is from Kabba) but none of them ever denied being Yoruba.

Nowenuse:


Ilorin emirate covers the entire Kwara central including Asa & Moro officially. Are there any Obas in Asa or Moro? Hell no!
There are Nupe communities in Moro, hope you know that?

To clear your doubt, go to Shao in Moro and call them Fulani or Ilorin, when you're done there, head to Afon in Asa and do the same.

Nofav0rs:
Since you know a lot about my people more than I do, please kindly inform me about Okun People

So there's a tribe called Okun? Shame on you! We also greet Okun in my hometown, but I'm actually from Kwara. Good luck on your quest for Okun nation.

Nowenuse:


Are you counting Kwara central (Ilorin) as yoruba land? Many people in Ilorin emirate reject yoruba tag and claim to be fulanis, hausas and Nupes.
Kwara south is the only pure yoruba land in Kwara state.

Are also counting Asa, Moro as part of Ilorin Emirate?
Ilorin Emirate ends in Ilorin West, East and South local governments. For avoidance of doubt, Shao, which is the next Town to Ilorin in Moro LGA have a very big signpost that says "No Emirate Here".
Yorubas still has 9 LGAs that are proud Yorubas.

It's now official, fulani herdsmen are responsible for the killing accross the middle belt, but the President has been in denial, blaming it on anything and anyone, but his kinsmen (whom he miraculously agree are behind the carnage). Now, I don't want to hear any contrasting statement from anyone.
And to a certain iidiot still insisting the President is being misquoted (even when it's glaring to the blind that the quoted texts indicate that Buhari has indicted his brothers for the attacks), head is paining you!

Davido would pull a larger crowd, even in Bauchi.

The fact that his infamous response makes no sense as per the question asked, vexes me the more.
...and in his deplorable mental state (of course he has mental issues) he still wants to continue beyond next year?
Only the lazy and uneducated ones would vote for someone like Buhari in this age and time.

The President said 60% of Nigerians are below 30 years of age (that's 108 million) and a lot of them have not been to school and lazy. If you have 108 oranges for instance and someone come telling you a lot of them are not good, what comes to your mind is that most of them are not. When put in perspective, "a lot" is nothing less that 50% and it's pretty bad the President could say at least, 50 million Nigerians below the age of 30 are not in school, lazy and and always wanting things free. I look around me here and I couldn't find anyone below the the of 30 who is neither in school nor engaged in anything meaningful. This is a new low for Buhari.

Nigeria is going to hell

“I do not believe that state governors will abuse state police. Even if they do so, they would have copied it from the present Federal Government, which also abuses police power.”

Nice response.
I watched a TV program on this issue and need to hear ridiculous excuses these northerners are giving to argue against State policing and I wonder if it's a must for them to live in states that have state police.
If this country must move forward, power must be decentralized.
A centralized federal government is the cause of our backwardness today, same way a centralized police is the major cause of all the security issues we are experiencing today. Given enough equipment, training and manpower, the Nigerian police force would still be as ineffective as ever.
And I don't see the federal government doing shiit to revamp the force. Reason is, they can't spend as much as is necessary to reposition the police. The Nigeria police all together don't have up to four hundred thousands men. We need at least, a million. They are not properly kitted, it will cost more than a million naira to kit an officer, now tell me, is the ACF ready to do these in order to stop the creation of state police across the federation?

I'm just sick of this backward set of humans who are averse to change.
Whether they like it not, progressive minded Nigerians must have their ways this time around. It's either we make this country work through restructuring or we go our ways. They can't have it both ways.

Cromcruach91:


Well

1[b].If you owned a business, and govt was forcing you to sell your goods for far less than you bought them...would you be happy? Would you find it easy to stay in business?
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That is what happens under subsidy.

2.Venezuela heavily subsidies fuel....they sell it four times less than we do...and their foreign reserves are so low that they are in crisis.(They are down to their last $10million, we are up to $40million in reserves)

3.There is no big deal in govt subsidizing fuel...so long as govt could afford it. Thing is...we can't afford it...and even if we could...marketers would still be losing money...and scarcity would happen

4.And even if we build more refineries....see my point one. Refinery owners cannot survive with fuel at N145 per liter...they want to make their money to pay staff, etc.

What exactly do you think you know about economics?
I'm not even talking about theory here.
If you think deregulation will fuel scarcity shi.t you're in for a long thing. Not in this country where there is always a back door to make the worst of every government policy.
It's so unfortunate that we have to be importing refined petroleum products.
We deregulated the power sector, but what have we got? Same old shi.t. All we have now are DisCos operating on the template of NEPA. Nothing has changed, except that tariff soaring higher with nothing to show for it.
Same thing will happen if the oil sector is deregulated.

The government should build NNPC capacity to import all the products volumes we need then sell it to independent marketers at the subsidized rate, while building the capacity of our local refineries to meet the local demands (this should have been our focus 40 years ago).
Petroleum products (especially PMS) is a public goods in Nigeria (if you know what I mean) and the government should not leave its people at the mercies of some marketers whose aim is profits and nothing more.
Putting an end to importation of refined petroleum products should be a national policy for every successive government to pursue.
If we have state owned refineries that work, over time, our dependence on imported products will fall until we can meet local demands.
The government can also make arrangements with a number of refineries abroad, giving them crude oil in exchange for refined petroleum products (ensure to specify expected numbers of litres per barrel of crude oil given) if they averse to subsidy. However, a measure should be put in place to check corruption.

The source of all of these problems is because we import these products, which is subject to fluctuations in exchange rates. I don't see how exchange rate will obey orders from deregulation.
So as long as the value of our currency keeps falling, the deregulated price of oil will keep rising and the common man bear the brunt while a few individual smile to the bank.
Let's find a way to stop importing petroleum products (which in many ways, contributes to the deficiency in out foreign exchange) by promoting local productions, over time, we'll all be happy for it.
This is a lasting solution, deregulation will make things even worse.
I wrote my thesis on Oil and I tested possible case scenarios. If the sector is deregulated, Nigeria is finished. It will come a time when the government will have to fix the maximum price and we're back to where we are.
If you want to solve a problem, you start from the cause, not the effects.

Cromcruach91:


No, they won't.

Deregulation means that the marketer can now sell at the price he wants...which means he or she won't need to send it across the border...because he is making his profits at home.

It is the ordinary car driver that would be sneaking across the border to buy fuel...

Deregulation will not work in Nigeria.
I don't see a big deal in government subsidising Petroleum products.

jamescross:
through obeying the voice of God, the same thing Moses said. not obeying the law, Abraham didn't oelbey a law he obeyed God's Voice.

You might as well tell me why God decided and chose to talk only to Abraham of all the people in the world then. He must be doing something different, right? No?
You might want to tell me the reason God chose just Noah in his generation. Give me the reason it was only Moses that could hear the voice of God even when there were tens of thousands of jews in Egypt?
These are men who obeyed God's statutes, not habitual sinners. You probably don't know sin is the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4 ...'Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.' ... ) What law? I suppose you know.
What exactly is this grace that you think it absolves you of the responsibility to obey God's voice (I hope you also know that the law was first spoken before it was written on stone?)
John 8:11 ...'And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.'
The above verse is a perfect example of grace (a free gift).
Remember that the woman in question committed adultery (she broke one of the 10 commandments). Now that's a sin.
According to the law of Moses (not the 10 commandments. You people don't actually know the difference) adulterers would be stoned to death. That's the way it was.
Jesus Christ might as well asked them to go ahead and stone her to death, but no, instead he actually gave her another chance to make things right (he gave her a grace) and told her "go and sin no more."
That's pure grace at work. Remember she was told to go and repeat the same thing no more? I'm sure you know Jesus would not save her again if she's brought before him for that again.

2 Timothy 2:19 ...'Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.'

1 John 3:4 ...'Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.' ...

And what is the penalty of sin? ... Romans 6:23 ...' For the wages of sin is death.'

So if we have all sinned and "come short of the glory of God", and we all deserve death, then how can we be saved? Can we earn salvation? ... Romans 6:23 ...'For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.'

Ephesians 2:8 ...'For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God.' ...
So salvation (the grace of God - eternal life) is a gift!

Romans 6:16 ...'Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?'
Now see the contrast of sin and obedience as used in the above verse. The Bible sees sin (transgression of the law) as the opposite of obedience (which no doubt, obedience to the law).
So you see, obedience in this regard mean to the law.

Galatians 5:19-21 ...'Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.' ...

Works of the flesh are sins as highlighted above and they that do such things shall not see God, because no sin can enter into Heaven.
So tell me how grace will save you if the Bible declared that no sinner will inherit God's kingdom?
In essence, we obtain salvation by grace, not because we deserve it, but because it's the gift of God for those that are ready to accept it.
After salvation (which in itself, grace), we are expected to go and sin no more, not continue to live in sin.

So what does true faith in Jesus produce? True faith in Jesus is an obedient faith. But that obedience is not of ourselves. It is Christ working in us, through His Spirit dwelling in us, if we will just allow Him in.

James 2:17-18 ...'Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.' ...

You see, if you truly want to follow Jesus and give your heart to Him, then your faith, by the indwelling of Christ's Spirit, will PRODUCE a change in you. You will want to obey God and keep His Commandments and do good works.

Those who are led by the Spirit of God are obedient to the voice of God. my sheep! they know my voice. this isn't complicated except for those who aren't part of the family

Revelation 22:11-12 ...'He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.'

jamescross:
otr1 you answered only this question if not mistaken and wrote grace is not an entitlement but a gift but the other two questions.

ok, let's begin

josh 24:2 abraham's family served idols
gen 17:1 more than twenty years after the Lord called him, he said to abram,"walk before me and be perfect"

rom 9:12-13
heb 11:7 yes the bible said noah was just, rom 1:17 the just shall live by faith. how does faith come? are we born with faith? no, rom 10:17

faith comes from God ( rom 10:18-21)
2 thess 3:2b not everyman has faith
wait how does faith come from God? through accepting his word
john 1:14 the word is grace and truth.
eph 2:8 you can't have faith without grace.

i asked now i ask you again which grace are you seeking if you claim you have faith?

the matt 7:22 (15-23) is talking about God's will, rom 12:2, which is bearing fruit and that is the fruit of the Holy Spirit gal 5:22 which is the evidence of faith.

am still coming to james 2, but tell me first if your ready to learn so i can gonna and teach it.

What you should be telling me now is how grace absolves anyone from obeying the law of God. Don't forget Abram got the name "Man of faith" through obedience.
Tell me one man that enjoys God's grace in the Bible but never obedient. Tell me one, then we can continue.
You can refer to the title of the OP

HeyCorleone:



But the countries you mentioned are far advanced than Nigeria. So your point doesn't count.

They may be immoral, but they are advanced.

We are immoral and backwards. Two sins.

The joke is on us all, including you.
I'm not a fan of BBN or whatsoever it's called, but let's not forget we all have the responsibility to make things better in this country.
Instead of badmouthing your country (except I'm mistaken), you can as well not say anything.
Advanced or not, no many Africans can surpass average Nigerians intellectually.

jamescross:
you speak of an entitlement not a gift, is that what God's grace is to you.

so how do you have faith in Jesus if you're yet to receive grace?

you say grace is gotten by works? what work did noah, abraham, jacob do before they found God's grace?

Except you don't know these men walked righteously before God, you won't be asking what work they did.
If you understand the import of that James 2 , you'll realize work is seen in the light of obedience to God.
Noah and his family received God's grace because he was a just and perfect man in his generation (Gen. 6:9).
The same thing could be said of the other men you mentioned.
No one can be perfect before God, but we must still show our commitment to him while acknowledging the fact that we are saved by his grace.
To receive this grace, there are requirements you know?
It's not an entitlement but a gift, but then you have to profess the faith of Jesus and obey God's words to have a shot at it. It's not automatic. That's my point.
That's why even Jesus said not all who call him Lord will make heaven. That means you can't be shouting Jesus up-and-down while wallowing in sin and still expect God's grace to cover you.

gradeA:



What is the motive behind keeping God's words or commandments? Do you do it so as to fulfil the law and avoid judgement? if that's the reason, it's totally wrong. Remember Christ is the fulfilment of the Law, and once we recieve Him, we have fully fulfilled the law see rom ;7 vs 1-3. The motive behind our good works (keeping the law) is geared towards obedience. It indicates that we love God. That we seek to please God. That its our Choice to recieve God's gracious act of salvation, and not just it imposed on us. Remember we are saved by Grace through Faith. Meaning we recieve this salvation of grace through Faith. Now remember Faith without works is dead. Meaning our works indicates our willingness to recieve this gracious act of God.

The fact that we fail to receive a gift does not mean the gift was not given in the first place.

It is a process flow. Good works is a by product of the act of grace. Your good works never comes before salvation but after salvation. No matter how good you are before salvation, that alone can never save you, but you live the good life after being saved as a show of Faith and willingness to accept the salvation plan of God solely by Grace.

You can not claim to have faith without works. You show your faith in God by your works. James 2:18 is clear on this.
Let no one deceive you, it's only those that keeps the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus that are entitled to receive God's grace.
As you rightly said, obedience to the commandments of God is a show of Faith. But merely obeying the commandments without faith in Jesus is nothing. Nevertheless, faith and works are like red and black electric wires. You must have the two before you can have the light. In like manner, our faith in Jesus and obedience to God's commandments gives us the grace to inherit his kingdom

bloodofthelamb:


We do not need the letter for God's holy law is written in our hearts by His Spirit.

No one is disputing that. Even before God gave the law at Sinai, evidence has it that it has always been in existence (in their hearts). Or how else do you think Joseph knew adultery is a sin? Or on which basis was Cain guilty of killing Abel if no exists (we all know sin is the breaking of the law right?).
The point is, the law still exists (written or not)

jaxxy:


U mentioning the 10 commandments mean like u want to live by it. I only use it for my check and balance not for my salvation. U can fufill the 10 commandments and go to hell. U realise that?

I never said just keeping the law could save anyone.
May be you missed the part where I added... "and the faith of Jesus".
That makes the difference between Christians and others (almost all non-Christians agree with most parts of the commandments, except the Yahweh and Sabbath parts).
But can we claim to be Christlike if we don't keep the law? Even he, our role model kept the law as an example for us to follow.

jaxxy:


Ure misleading urself here. U can not fufill or keep the whole laws. Don't deceive urself. Its is by grace not works. I strive to keep the law nt do not live under the law. If i live under the the law i will be condemned cos nobody can keep the whole law smtn will stand against u and u will be judge cos u chose to live under the law so depend on his son not on ur works.

It depends on the law you're talking about.
The bible no where teaches grace as a licence to breaking the law (10 commandments).
We are saved by grace, yes, because even our righteousness is like filth unto God, but we must still keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus if we want to make it.
Unless of course you have problems with obedience. Which of the 10 commandments do you have problem keeping?
Because last time I checked, the 10 commandments doesn't condemned anyone, it's the ceremonial laws that Paul was referring to.

jaxxy:


The law is put as check and balance. Breaking certain laws there can be consequences from God and even man bt simply fufilling the law can not save u. In fact we cannot even fulfil the whole laws. Hence we need grace and faith and God gave us that through his son. The word of God is True wisdom! I love it

@the bolded, the Bible has a different teaching (James 2:10).
You don't fulfil the law, you keep it.
Fulfilling the law as used anywhere in the Bible means to teach fully or bring full meaning to it.
If you love God, you'll strive to keep His commandments. No sinner will see God.

kstyle2:
Wow. Instead of the IG of police to go over there, see how it's done, weigh the benefits it has in curbing crime, the financial resources required for such, consider if such can be replicated here in Naija, he'll prefer to have commissioners of police 'settle' him steadily. We keep drifting backwards

Replicated you say?
There are many things that has to be fixed before we even dream of using a face recognition device..

Whenever I think about this Fulani and the way they reason in this 21st, my body just weak.
For God's sake, who in his right senses would give in to this cattle colony as a solution to stop killing by herdsmen? Like they trying to blackmail people to achieve there sinister motives.
In case Buhari, the people do not see cattle colony as an option to herdsmen mayhem, but reprisals.
Buhari should get it straight into his head that Nigerians might be docile, but history should have taught him that no expansionist agenda will. The best he can do is try, but he will certainly fail. And if he pushes his luck too hard on this, he might witness a massive genocide against his people.

As for Ajimobi, I don't expect anything less as long there is an Alafin on the throne. The Monarch already made his position clear on this.

Luisema4luv:

First tin first u re actually quoting spoil frm ur rev 17:5 cuz ur quote does nt in any way come into play or may b u just want to quote anytin to back ur lame point

Well, I won't blame you if you can't see the relationship between the Roman Catholic Church and the Babylon The Great mentioned in Rev. 17:5. I understand you can only believe what your Priests and Catechists tell you
and you don't ever study the Bible on your own.

If u dnt go to church, do lent or Easther, den y re we having dis conversation

Why should I go to any Church that hold fellowship on a day different from what is obtainable from the Bible, just because Catholic Church says so?
Or why should I celebrate Easter, a pagan festival to mark the end of winter solstice? May be I need to remind you that the celebration of the resurrection of Jesus can fall on any day of the week and not necessarily a sunday as it is. Jesus was raised from the dead, the third day after Passover. The third after passover should always be for the celebration of Jesus resurrection if there ever should be anything like that. And yes, no one is obliged to observe the Catholic lenten period. Even in Nigeria, many churches don't. I know of RCCG and Living Faith for certain.

Good luck wit ur false thinking. One love nd peace out

Well, I'll leave you with a Bible verse: Rev. 18:4 "...Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins..."
It's not too late.

Luisema4luv:


Oga pope is the final authority of the catholic church nd mind u it does nt matter if u lik it or nt bt u just get to accept wat the church says (even pentecostal churches sef must obey) ..... Sunday, lent, Easter..... Should I continue?.... Y because we re the actual gospel nd truth so relax nd seek wisdom

First, it's not a must to obey. I don't go to church on Sundays, neither do I observe lent or celebrate Easter.
Of course, we have almost all the so-called churches of Christ wondering after the Roman Church. Rev. 17:5 told us that the Catholic Church is the Mother of harlots. And you wonder who the harlots are? They are all churches that adopt any doctrine of the fallen Church. Or why do you think they call Catholic the mother church?
You sure have no idea.

Luisema4luv:


Geez u gat no point bro, u dnt judge wen u hv no knowledge of wat is or nt, wen u die nd discover u hv wrong all along hw will u feel.
I.e If it works for u stay wer u re nt looking for who to slander cuz u might b very wrong come d last day.
Am a catholic nd wud gladly discuss nd teach u my POV as a catholic on Christianity only if u re actually open to learning nt because u want to argue....... One love

Look at those quotes and tell me which of them should be uttered by a Bible believing Christian?
Is the Pope Jesus Christ?
Is it right to change God's Law?
I don't know what point you're making here.
And you have nothing to teach me about Catholic Church if you're not at least a Rev. Father.
Just answer the two questions above. That's the theme of this post.

Luisema4luv:


Wat re u saying, do u dwell on phrases or full scripture to back up ur claims, if it is the former den i must say u re getting every point so wrong

Full or part, no right thinking Christian would utter such blasphemy either in part or whole.

Luisema4luv:


Hmmm u will b very suprised at the little u actually knw

We have at least two quotes from two different Popes here. There are more of them actually. You're actually saying Pope's words are authoritative enough?
By the way, canon and traditions of the Catholic Church is about the most authentic doctrinal document of the church.

Luisema4luv:


Nah nt always d case..... Pastors will tell u so except dem wan lie gv u

Which Pastor are you talking about?
You mean Pastors of Churches that are protestant in name, but catholic in doctrine?
This is my opinion, not influenced by that of any Pastor who would certainly disagree with me on why they actually worship on sundays.

Papist:

If you are actually interested to know what the Catholic Church says read from authoritative Catholic documents, like the Catechism, Dogmatic Constitutions, infallible papal documents like Ineffabilis Deus fror example and the teachings of Saints and Doctors of the Church. They are available free on the internet. I suggest you read most St Thomas Aquinas' (the prince of the Doctors of the Church) teachings in the Summa Theologica. You will learn a lot about Catholic beliefs there.

You didn't see the first quote and quotes from your Popes in the posts?
They're are authoritative enough.
And by the way, you just mentioned a former catholic.
I had access to all these documents you mentioned and have been to the Vatican several times. I'm not sure you know any more about the Roman Catholic Church than I do

Luisema4luv:
Y quoting some part of a text of some people (na so una dey do wit Bible), read the full tin nd pray for understanding

Part that says alot about the whole.