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Christianity EtcQuotes From The Catholic Church by otr1(op): 1:25pm On Jan 27, 2018
Below you will find a large number of quotes that have come from the Roman Catholic Church during it's history.

For protestants who are still searching the Bible to justify sunday worship, stop your search from the Scriptures. Here is your answer.

"The authority of the church could therefore not be bound to the authority of the Scriptures, because The Church had changed...the Sabbath into Sunday, not by command of Christ, but by its own authority." (Canon and Tradition, p. 263)
"Not the Creator of Universe, in Genesis 2:1-3,-but the Catholic Church can claim the honor of having granted man a pause to his work every seven days." (S. C. Mosna, Storia della Domenica, 1969, pp. 366-367)
"The Pope is of great authority and power that he can modify, explain, or interpret even divine laws... The Pope can modify divine law, since his power is not of man, but of God, and he acts as vicegerent of God upon earth." (Lucius Ferraris, Prompta Ribliotheca, Papa, art. 2, translated)
"The Pope has the power to change times, to abrogate laws, and to dispense with all things, even the precepts of Christ. The Pope has the authority and often exercised it, to dispense with the command of Christ." (Decretal, de Tranlatic Episcop. Cap. (The Pope can modify divine law.) Ferraris' Ecclesiastical Dictionary)
"Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; --she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority." (Rev. Stephan Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism, On the Obedience Due to the Church, chap. 2, p. 174. (Imprimatur, John Cardinal McCloskey, archbishop of New York)
See what the Bible said about a power that would seek to changes times and law:

Daniel 7:25King James Version (KJV)
"And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time."

Pope Declared as "God on Earth"

"The Pope is not simply the representative of Jesus Christ. On the contrary, he is Jesus Christ Himself, under the veil of the flesh." (Evangelical Christendom, January 1, 1895, pg. 15, published in London by J. S. Phillips)
"Against this background of love towards Holy Church, 'the pillar and bulwark of the truth' (1 Tim 3:15), we readily understand the devotion of Saint Francis of Assisi for 'THE LORD POPE', the daughterly outspokenness of Saint Catherine of Siena towards the one whom she called 'SWEET CHRIST ON EARTH'." (Pope John Paul II, Apostolic Exhortation on the Consecrated Life and Its Mission in the Church and in the World, to the bishops and clergy, religious orders and congregations, societies of apostolic life, secular institutes, and all the faithful, given in Rome, at Saint Peter's, March 25, 1996)
"The Pope is of so great dignity, and so exalted that he is not a mere man, but as it were God and the vicar of God." (Ferraris Ecclesiastical dictionary)
"All names which in the Scriptures are applied to Christ, by virtue of which it is established that He is over the church, all the same names are applied to the Pope." (On the Authority of the Councils, book 2, chapter 17)
The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth." (Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, "Cities Petrus Bertanous)
"And he shall speak great words against the Most High..."(Dan. 7:25)

Does this sound like the church of Christ? I say not a chance!

http://www.the-bible-antichrist.com/antichrist-speaks.html
PoliticsRe: Taraba Govt Officially Bans Open Grazing by otr1(m): 2:13pm On Jan 24, 2018
Good development. Other well-meaning states should follow.
Instead of the federal government to acquire 5000 hectares of land in every state for farm colonies for unemployed youths, they are busy with cattle colonies as if beef is the most important thing in Nigeria right now.
PoliticsRe: To Win The Presidency You Only Need 2 Block Votes Northwest & Southwest by otr1(m): 9:28am On Jan 23, 2018
sarrki:
There is know way Southwest Majority will sell away the vice president to install another party in the name of whatsoever.

Southwest are well settled politically & infrastructurally
Most of the political appointee's are from southwest

Yemi Osinbajo the VP is from southwest.

Also interms of infrastructure Ilorin - Ibadan, Lagos - Ibadan, seceding Lagos to southwest by pmb are all campaign tools

Less I forget Lagos -Abeokuta -Ibadan rail line is inclusive

So with the factors stated above I need a very constructive argument and reason why Southwest will jolt this to vote another party.
Political appointees don't pay nobody's bills.
Most of the so-called infrastructures (I'm assuming they exist) are actually brain-children of past administrations, so we can count on another administration different from this one to continue on it.
There is no way Buhari is winning a free and fair election anywhere outside the northwest and northeast (debatable).
PoliticsRe: Cattle Colonies: Southern States Shun FG's Request For Land by otr1(m): 9:05am On Jan 23, 2018
Abdulfatah Ahmed should be ready for a showdown if he's thinking about a cattle colony outside Ilorin emirate.
Christianity EtcRe: The Beast (666) Is Here Already!!! by otr1(m): 8:52pm On Jan 17, 2018
Incrizz:
Please do not embed the internet into any part of your body. It would make it easy for the mind to be messed with, reprogrammed, wiped etc.

Only those who fear God, who have not "evolved" to cyborgs, who do not accept the mark of the beast, will not worship it when it AI, declares itself god.

If you have the internet in your brain, you are going to worship it, willingly or not.

You now know, deception has been mercifully taken far from you!
Stop acting like a robot, no one is enforcing the implantation of chips into your brain.
The bible describes the Antichrist as the man of sin. I don't see how AI fits into this.
You watch too much movies.
While you may not have anything implanted into your body, you'll still have the mark if you don't keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus. According to Rev. 14:12, those are the only people who didn't receive the mark.
PoliticsRe: Killings: Buhari Tells Benue Leaders To Restrain Their People by otr1(m): 8:44pm On Jan 17, 2018
gare:
OK LEAD THE WAY TO FIGHT, NOT SITTING IN YOUR ROOM INCITING OTHERS TO GO AND FIGHT.
Who's afraid of fighting?
You probably take me for a Benue man
Christianity EtcRe: The Beast (666) Is Here Already!!! by otr1(m): 8:39am On Jan 17, 2018
Incrizz:
..."Knowledge will abound".
Knowledge will abound, yes, but the Bible told us those who will carry the mark will be deceived into taking it.
Don't be surprised the mark will be something that will be widely accepted by most Christians including you, and to non-Christians, it will make no difference to their faith, so they will be OK with it anyways.
Mark in the forehead and right-hand is a representation of these two classes of people, and not a literal mark.
The mark has to do with worship.
PoliticsRe: Killings: Buhari Tells Benue Leaders To Restrain Their People by otr1(m): 8:23am On Jan 17, 2018
gare:
we have to try and be civil, and give room or dialogue, you see Syria. Yemen, Libya, do you want your country to be like that, I dont understand you guys with war and fight.
There is little or no difference between Nigeria and those countries you mentioned. We are not in war and some people killed scores of innocent citizens in a swoop and you're here telling me about civility?
You still believe you'll live to see a better Nigeria without a violent struggle or outright division of the damn country, you're on a long thing.
PoliticsRe: Killings: Buhari Tells Benue Leaders To Restrain Their People by otr1(m): 9:38am On Jan 16, 2018
gare:
Your Excellency, you have spoken as a leader should, and the people of Benue state would take your advice and remain calm, believing you will do as you said and your instruction to the various security agencies will be carried out.

But if there should be more killings in Benue state, it will be very difficult to restrain the people, so in other for us not have anarchy in the state, please all hands should be on deck to ensure this those not happen again in the state and other state.

It may interest you to know that your coming back to office will be determine by how you are able to manage this herds men issues,just like GEJ regime was decided by Chibok Girls and Boko haram and Corruption, as for your regime, you have failed in terms of fighting corruption, becasue your government has been linked to multiple corrupt cases by high government ranking officials, the fight against Boko Haram is getting worse, and now the herds men are on a killing spree.

Mr. President pls do the needful to stop this herdsmen.
You're preaching to the choir.
PoliticsRe: Killings: Buhari Tells Benue Leaders To Restrain Their People by otr1(m): 9:29am On Jan 16, 2018
Buhari is daft.
He is sending his message to the wrong people.
Christianity EtcRe: The Beast (666) Is Here Already!!! by otr1(m): 9:24am On Jan 16, 2018
Incrizz:
Do not merge with machines by means of embedding the internet in your brain.
There's is no going back with the devil after that! angry
Making you think the mark of 666 and the Antichrist has anything to do with hardware is a diversion from the real thing. Please keep that in mind.
Technology is just a means to an end in this issue, not the end itself
Christianity EtcRe: In The 14th Century & Beyond Africans Never Knew They Were Unclad by otr1(m): 4:00pm On Jan 14, 2018
yanshDoctor:
its in the open domain even as at 19th century some part of Africa were still unclad.
...some part, yes.
Christianity EtcRe: In The 14th Century & Beyond Africans Never Knew They Were Unclad by otr1(m): 3:37pm On Jan 14, 2018
danvon:
Yes I agree, why weren't we smart enough to have history records I still don't know where the yorubas got the idea of tribal marks from or how the African recipes were created, nothing that's why whites tell us our history because we have no history that's why you see people claiming to be Jews and others acting Arabic
Well, I wouldn't know what you're talking about. I can trace my ancestry to as far back as 11th century, so I don't need anyone to tell me who's what.
Christianity EtcRe: In The 14th Century & Beyond Africans Never Knew They Were Unclad by otr1(m): 8:00pm On Jan 13, 2018
Whitemen told you your forefathers were unclad when they made the first contact and you believed them?
This is what happens when another person is the one telling you your history.
Christianity EtcRe: The Beast (666) Is Here Already!!! by otr1(m): 12:48pm On Jan 13, 2018
Incrizz:
Please don't merge with machines. By head or hand.

All your virtual money can be wiped off by them if you step out of line. Do not merge with machines just because of your love for your money.
That's why you must not be too attached to money.

As for science version of "forever", it's simply suicide.

Electronic Virtual Intelligent Life is simply annihilation of humans.

It's no longer sci-fi.
It's live.

Beware.


You're gonna be hearing more about iOT; internet of things more frequently now.

The next phase of tech.
Please this your theory is misleading and dangerous... a diversion from the real danger.
The antichrist system has always been here with us for thousands of years. Remember, the book of revelation is symbolic and you can't take texts literally.
The mark is symbolic (remember the elects also carry an identifying mark on their foreheads according to revelation), the hand and forehead is also symbolic. This is why the book requires us to apply wisdom
Christianity EtcRe: The Beast (666) Is Here Already!!! by otr1(m): 12:16pm On Jan 13, 2018
Mark of the beast has nothing to do with technology.
Christianity EtcRe: Daddy Freeze Slams RCCG 50-Day Fasting & Prayer by otr1(m): 4:04am On Jan 13, 2018
1freshdude:
FALSE!

Those things dont give them FALSE HOPES...the PASTORS DO!

You talk about church not been open during work hours, so you go to church after work? is that one work? When you work eight hours here, let me see how you get to the strength to go to one church/religious house...Nigeria doesnt understand what it entails to work.
@bolded, most Nigerians work at least 8hours every week days.
You really are not busy if you work just for 8 hours in a day.
PoliticsRe: Fulani Herdsmen & Buhari: FFK And Reno Omokri React (See Tweets) by otr1(m): 9:08pm On Jan 12, 2018
GMBuhari:
Pained wailers


Now ffk is their lord


Anybody who raises an army within Nigeria is a terrorist


Ask Nnamdi Kanu grin
Your Buhari should be ready to declare tens of millions of Nigerians as terrorists.
It's coming to point where the fight will be only for the Benue people to fight.
PoliticsRe: Fulani Herdsmen & Buhari: FFK And Reno Omokri React (See Tweets) by otr1(m): 8:59pm On Jan 12, 2018
Buhari is destined to preside over the burial ceremony of Nigeria.
The Heavens chose him for this sole purpose.
PoliticsRe: Stop Anti-Open Grazing Law In Benue State For Peace To Reign - Fulani Group by otr1(m): 8:55pm On Jan 12, 2018
sarrki:
Do they care about you
Always championing hatred and violence
They need all the cares, not me.
PoliticsRe: Stop Anti-Open Grazing Law In Benue State For Peace To Reign - Fulani Group by otr1(m): 8:55pm On Jan 12, 2018
sarrki:
Do they care about you
Always championing hatred and violence
They need all the cares, not me.
PoliticsRe: Stop Anti-Open Grazing Law In Benue State For Peace To Reign - Fulani Group by otr1(m): 10:23am On Jan 12, 2018
I'm burning with anger for the Benue people. Let them die in their cowardice. I don't pity them.
Christianity EtcRe: Are You A Christian ? You Need To See This. by otr1(m): 2:20pm On Jan 11, 2018
Peacefullove:
Still on the topic ... checking whether the core doctrine of Christianity is true or not .
The christian main doctrine of a soul that outlives the body is false at best and has no place in the scripture.
Someone already gave you a logical answer. At creation, man became a living soul, so when he dies, he becomes a dead soul. There is nothing like soul/spirit floating around after death

You cannot be dead and alive at the same time .

either dead or alive .

Some are just dribbling .
PoliticsRe: 2019: PDP Won’t Need Campaign To Defeat Buhari – Babangida Aliyu by otr1(m): 8:36am On Jan 11, 2018
...coming from an idiot. We should try something else, but APC and PDP
PoliticsRe: Herdsmen Killed Over 756 In Two Years Under Jonathan – Presidency by otr1(m): 8:00am On Jan 11, 2018
So because Jonathan was too daft to take any action, this government should continue on the same path?
Why was this government voted into office against all odds if it keeps comparing itself to Jonathan government as a lesser evil?
Those who wasted their votes on this useless government expected it to get rid of all the things wrong with the immediate past government, and not to experience it again, even at a lesser rate.
This government has overstayed its welcome and anyone seen voting for it again in 2019 is an enemy of the state.
PoliticsRe: Buratai Deploys Troops To Benue, Taraba, Nasarawa by otr1(m): 6:23pm On Jan 10, 2018
There is no more country called Nigeria. Buhari is the last president.
Christianity EtcRe: Does The Moral Law(10 commandments) Remain Against The Christian? by otr1(m):
Ferisidowu:
Hmm, sincerely I don't really get your point in this quoted paragraph? Pls explain further how the FULFILLED is wrong... The word which ought to have been used?
And the chapter and verse so I can do research here too
The Greek word translated as "fulfilled" is "pleroo" which has nothing to do with fulfilled. Translating it as fulfilled is rather misleading. The same word translated as "fulfilled" in Matt. 5:17 is the same translated as "fully preached" in Roman 15:19 (the latter is the closest to the original word). Fulfilled is also used in Luke 4:21, but if you replace "fulfilled" with "fully preached", the verse will make more sense to you. Same thing with the verse in Matt. 5:17

How are we to keep the Sabbath? What did Jesus teach about the Sabbath?
Is that how the LAW required the keeping of Sabbath
The ten commandments requires that we don't do servile work on the sabbath or embark on long journey.
God didn't have to create an extra day after the 6th day, but he did for us to have spend time with him.
But the pharisees in an attempt to appear as keeping the law fully, wil not even help someone who got into a ditch on the sabbath. That's what Jesus preached about when he healed the man that has been in boundage for 40years
on sabbath. The pharisees complained, but he rebuked them.
In essence, we are to keep the sabbath holy, but if we have to work or go a long distance to save a life, we should do it (this does not include going on shopping; this can wait till the next day)

Does that mean that God overlook sin? ... Even if Christ forgive her the committed sin, did he forgive her the imputed sin gotten through Adam?

Will that woman have eternal life if she doesn't accept Jesus, yet indeed went and sinned no more...
Jesus is the only way. She most probably accepted Jesus after that event.
Adam and Eve brought sin through their disobedience and with it, death.
Jesus died for our sins, be it from Adam or the ones we committed.
I still affirm that God doesn't overlook sin.
See sin is a debt payable by death, but Jesus has died for it once and for all. So we are no longer held accountable as long as we accept acknowledge the payment by accepting the sacrifice of the Payee.
Is that ok by you?
THE BIBLE SAYS WITHOUT SHEDDING OF BLOOD THERE'S NO REMISSION FOR SIN, now an elect who asks God for forgiveness where is the blood to which he must be forgiven?
Jesus already paid. It's a one time thing. It's not like sacrificing animals for atonements as it was.
Jesus died once and for all for our sins. Anyone who seek Jesus would be forgiven.
Whosoever believes in Jesus would not perish says the bible.
According to the LAW IN OLD TESTAMENT, circumcision is more important than the law, you have to be circumcised before your keeping law can be valid...
Nothing is important than the law. Moral law existed before Abraham.

Anyone that doesn't keep circumcision isn't accepted according to the covenant between God and Abraham..
Circumcision was more important than the law, cos they were circumcised even before they were given the law.
The law existed before the sinai incidence

Ten commandments is the moral law of God and not a Moses thing. It depicts the character of God.
That Jews eleviated circumcision aboves ten commandments represents everything that's wrong with nation of Israel.

I guess this is one of the chief places of our disagreement

The Bible says in Romans that WE AFFIRM THAT ONE IS JUSTIFIED EVEN APART FROM THE LAW...
THAT'S WITHOUT THE LAW,
Which law was he talking about ? The WHOLE LAWS OF MOSES (Including the 10 COMMANDMENTS)
The ten commandments is different from the law of moses/ceremonial law/law of ordinance.
When you break the ten commandments, you must obey the law of moses as a remedy for your sin.
Jesu now takes the place of the law of moses
The answer to that is GOD FORBID..

Paul said DO WE THEN THROW THE LAW (all law including the 10 commandments) BECAUSE OF FAITH? BY NO MEANS ON THE CONTRARY WE UPHOLD THE LAW. Proper apprehension of this passage solves our problems
1) he brought a distinction between law and Faith, ..
2) he taught that the elect are justified without the law
3) do they then THROW AWAY THE LAW no

Answer this question

1) were they justified by Faith+law (works) give passages
That support the view that they were justified by both...
We are justified by faith in Jesus. That's what differentiate us from others.

I AFFIRM THAT the elect are justified by FAITH ALONE but don't THROW AWAY THE LAW BECAUSE OF FAITH.



Who are workers of iniquity ?
Answer these questions
2) if a man is JUSTIFIED by Faith , but doesn't throw the law (does all his best to keep it) is he a worker of iniquity?
Not a worker of iniquity. This is exactly what I advocate. Justified by faith, yes, but we do our best to keep the law.
Lolz even the Pharisees keep the whole law in their own mind.
They appear to. They actually don't. They are hypocrites. They preach one thing and do the opposite. That's why Jesus always attacked them.
Christianity EtcRe: Does The Moral Law(10 commandments) Remain Against The Christian? by otr1(m):
Ferisidowu:
I don't think I called what you typed pack of errors weldone thanks a lot.
Forgive my choice of words. I couldn't resist it and I didn't mean to hurt your feelings.
Alright if it okay by you.... So Jesus fulfilled the law for his elect so that they will be judged by the 10 commandments ryt?
You're getting the meaning of fulfilled (which shouldn't have been used in the translation in the first place) wrong.
If I say "I'm not to kill you but to..."
you should know the missing word already. In the same manner, when Jesus said he didn't come to abolish the law but to fulfill it, there should not be any confusion as to the meaning of "fulfilled" even if it's a wrong choice of word for the translation of the original greek word used.
From 2:10 it says that if you keep the whole law and stumble in one ..you are guilty of the whole law.
Well, Jesus taught us the right way to keep the sabbath and other laws, which is what he meant by "fulfilled".
I don't keep the sabbath in the same manner as the pharisees, but I keep it holy by spending quality times with God. Sunday has no special meaning to me.

Young man do you keep the Sabbath day seeing that it's one of the 10 commandments ... Since you fail keep that one you are condemned by all of it
Oh really so Grace means God overlooked the sins of the elect .... Does God overlook sin? Did he overlook the sins his elect or he placed all their sins on Christ, Grace isn't God overlooking sin, if it is then God will partial, for overlooking one's sins and punishing another's....

He didn't or doesn't overlook sin, he punished his elects sins on Christ payment ....
God overlook sin and gives another chance to things right, because of the huge price Jesus paid for us. That's grace!
When Jesus stopped people from stoning that woman that commit adultery
to death and told her to go and sin no more, that's an example of grace. Something like, "What you did was wrong, but I give you another chance to make things right, go and sin no more".

You remember the snake on the stake? Just like those dying from snake poison were required to look up to the snake on the stake for a chance to survive, we are required to look up to Jesus, to avoid the punishment for our sin (the wages of sin is death).
When we lay our hope in Jesus for our redemption, our slates are wiped clean, giving us a fresh start. However, we are to avoid a falling back to our sin (remember go and sin no more?).
Either you my choice of "overlook" or not, God didn't count our sins against us because we believed in Jesus and his sacrifice.


Hmm, the funniest thing is that God's elect are weded or married to Christ they aren't licentious, they even better than fools who keep the whole law for justification... The places that mention elects name in the Bible, e.g Paul... Was paul licentious? God forbid, great Christians like epaphras ,clement were not licentious, they are weded to their husband Christ and he imparts his love in them....
Keeping the law alone doesn't bring anyone to justification and I don't think I advocate that.

They live above the dictates of 10 commandments
They are the best of their kind. Better than foolish law justifying keepers.




I already told you that the elect live far above the 10 COMMANDMENTS ... They enter God's presence...
The elects don't break the law, they uphold the law even as the spirit leads... Paul circumcisied one, and refused circumcise another... Even as he was led....

He FULFILLED the law it's not binding on his elect.... Yet his elect live even above the laws
Yes, didn't break the law, but instead uphold it. He didn't above the dictates of the ten commandments. We have records of Paul keeping the sabbath. The Bible even makes us understand that it's his custom to keep the sabbath. That's what I'm advocating. Obedience to God (that's what keeping the law means) while looking up to Jesus for justification.
Remember that the law concerning circumcision is not a part of the ten commandments.
Also Christ elect aren't workers of iniquity ... They are the best in Christianity...
So what are they doing differently? Rev. 14:12 told us.
No one opposes this yet there are many who keep the commandments, and don't keep the faith of Jesus yet they are condemned ....
Anyone who keeps the commandments and not believe in Jesus will be condemned.
We are required to do both. Likewise, anyone procliaming Jesus while disobeying God's Law will also be condemned.
That's why we'll have those who call Jesus "Lord", yet he will reject them because they are workers of iniquities (sinners/those). Remember no sinner will see God?
The 10 commandments isn't binding yet the elect live above it, they live above it requirements .... The laws were given as a guardian...
The ten commandments requires that we should worship no other gods, not kill, not commit adultery, not worship images... etc. Which of these requirements do you think you can live above?
You just said the law is our guardian and rightly so. It's still our guide to know right from wrong.
Hold on to Christ.... That's the rock of salvation not, the law.... But Christ complete atonement shouldn't be tampered with
I'm a christian. I look up to Jesus for salvation in obedience to God.
Christianity EtcRe: Does The Moral Law(10 commandments) Remain Against The Christian? by otr1(m):
Ferisidowu:
otr1 any more objections!
You have failed to provide a sound defence to my last post on this topic. What you post up there is a pack of errors at best.

I can't believe someone who has ever opened a Bible will still have a reason to twist what James referred to as the "law of liberty" in 1:25 and 2:12 after reading him quote directly from the ten commandments in 2:11.
James 2:11 says "For He that said, Do not commit adultery (direct quote from Exo. 20:14), said also, Do not kill (a direct quote from Exo. 20:13). Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law."

He then went on to say in verse 12; "So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty."

I don't think anyone needs a lesson on comprehension to know that he was referring to the same law he quoted from.

I find it rather embarrassing that you'll say law of liberty implies "the gospel". For God's sake, the word "unangelion" translated as gospel only means "good news".
And what's the good news? The good news is that Jesus died for our sins, rose from the dead and perfected our salvation. At least Paul agrees with this in 1Cor. 15:1-8..

And please, I'm not anti-grace.
The Bible says all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
Grace is the only thing that makes God overlook our iniquities, not a licence to continue in sin.
God already pronounced us dead when he told Adam and Eve that they will die and return to dust, but with tie death and resurrection of Jesus, we obtain the grace for everlasting life.


Jesus fulfilled the law so we should live a lawless life?
Do you even know that the original greek word "pleroo" should never have been translated as "fulfilled" in English?
I'll give you an example;
Roman 15:19: "Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ."

The same greek word "pleroo" translated into the bolded phrase above is the same translated as "fulfilled" in Matt. 5:17.

Look at Luke 4:21 ; "And He began to say unto them, This day is the scripture fulfilled in your ears."
So according to you, since Jesus said he already fulfilled the scripture in their ears, we have to discard the scripture.

That Matt 5:17 passage uses "abolish" and "fulfilled" in contrast to each other, so if you're confused of what he meant by "fulfilled", at least you know the meaning of
abolish. So if he has not come to abolish the law, that means he must have come to "establish it", "teach us to understand it better", "magnify it", or "bring full meaning to it."

If Jesus, who is our perfect example lived in perfect obedience to the moral law (ten commandments) and his disciples did the same thing, I don't understand the fuss about nowadays teaching against anything law, citing grace as an excuse.
If grace without obedience to God's law is enough to get anyone to heaven, why would Jesus say he would tell some people who have called him Lord and have done miracles in his name to "depart" from him and call them "workers of iniquities?"
I bet so called men of God using human skulls for ritual share you idea of the grace of God, hoping that grace will them even if they die in sin.

Only those that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus are the chosen ones (Rev. 14:12)
PoliticsRe: Fulani Herdsmen Killings An Invitation For Civil War - Benue APC Chairman by otr1(m): 3:31pm On Jan 03, 2018
Be on the offensive from now going forward.
Don't wait for their next attack and don't even think of waiting to get help from the government.
Do everything it takes to defend you God-given land.
Christianity EtcRe: Which Jesus Do You Believe (concerning Atonement)? by otr1(m):
To me, Christ's atonement is a little of governmental theory and a whole of penal subtitution theory.
The law of God is a transcript of His character; it portrays the nature of God.
The atonement made by the Son of God testifies to man the immutability of God's law.
The value of the law of God is to be estimated by the huge price that was paid by the death of the Son of God to maintain its sacredness.
It's only through the atonement of Christ upon the cross that made certain, the destruction of satan who has the power of death, who was the originator of sin. I John 3:8b tell us that Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil.
When satan and his works are destroyed, there will be none to tempt to evil; the atonement will never need to be repeated; and there will be no danger of another rebellion (everyone will have learned the lesson).
The atonement is an eternal safeguard against defection in unfallen worker, as well as among the redeemed.
Remember, without the shedding of blood, there can be no forgiveness of sin (Heb. 9:22). Why? Because, the punishment for sin is death (Rom. 6:23).
So for God to achieve His original plan because the fall of man, a worthy has to be made and the death of the Son of God is the highest sacrifice there is to make. Whosoever believes in this plan of salvation will partake of the gift of eternal life in the world to come where all will live as originally planned by God.
Christianity EtcRe: Does The Moral Law(10 commandments) Remain Against The Christian? by otr1(m):
Ferisidowu:
the 10 commandments isn't law of liberty....
This is your personal opinion, deviod of scriptural truth.
Here is the truth:
James 1:25 : "But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty and continued therein, he being not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the "work", this man shall be blessed in his deed."
For us to know which law he was referring to, he had to say again in chapter 2:12b : "so speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty."
No christian should have problem identifying the law he was referring to, going by the import of the preceeding verses.

Downplay the ten commandmemts at your own peril, as your faith in Jesus without works is dead (James 2:26). And what's work? James 1:25b "continuing in the perfect law of liberty being...a doer of the work
you seem not to understand what you quoted... the old testament law is a law of obligation...
Yes, it's an obligation and a good law to those who love God. John 14:15 "if ye love me, keep my commandmemts.
Rev. 11:19 says "And the temple of God was opened in Heaven, and there was seen in His temple "the ark of His testimony."
You no doubt know what the ark of testimony is.
What's inside this ark?
Exo. 25:16 "And thou shall put into the ark the testimony which I shall give thee."
Exo. 40:20 "And he took and put the testimony into the ark."
May be you don't know, the ark in the earthly temple is the copy of the one in the heavenly temple.
Heb. 8:5 says so; "Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern showed to thee in the mount."


If you sin, you broke the ten commandmemts. To make atonements for this sin, Jews had to obey the law of ordinance/law of Moses. There is a huge difference between murder and having to sacrifice a lamb for committing sin.
Ezekiel 45:13-17 gives so much details on what had to be done to make reconcilation for the sin of the people. It involved meat and drinks (feasts) in the monthly new moons and on the various ceremonial sabbath days (passover, day of atonement etc). No Christian should have problem understanding that passages talking of laws of meats and drinks (e.g, Col. 2:16, Eze. 45:17)are not about the ten commandments but a law of bondage that was followed to make reconcilation for sin which is the breaking of the ten commandments.
Ceremonial laws/law of ordinance/law of Moses (whichever you want to call it) were the ones nailed to the cross, because everytime we break the ten commandments now, we have to look up to Jesus because he has made the sacrifice once and for all.
The sacrifice of Jesus has not thrown away the ten commandments. It's still our moral standard and we will all be judged by it (James 2:10-12)

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