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corporal:
@ Morpheus
Your people were in africa for 4000 years and still running round in skins. "based on pseudo sciences and mumbo jumbo about the ability of African people to progress." what pseudo science the evidence is all out there. Now go stand in a food queue and wait for the WHITE americans and europeans to come give you some.
61 African Countries most suffering huge disease, poverty, crime , war and corruption. I rest my case!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

morpheus24:
@paniki

word of advise.

you are wasting your time with Cap28. He's never been outside of his400 square foot london apartment, yet he can pretty much sum up everything about your country based on his extensive reading ability, youtube videos and his propensity to retain large amounts of "historical' information.

If I were you, I'd sign off. The boy is highly irrational and will just pull you down in the mud with his thinking.

cap28:
so because the white settlers in your country claim to have "discovered" something on another's man land (that was already there) that makes them the legitimate owners of the land?

if that is the case why didnt the people of Libya allow the americans to take over libya after a texan oil company "discovered" oil there in the 1950s?

why did Qadaffi close the american air force base in libya after he overthrew Libya's puppet king  in 1969?

why did mossadegh of iran nationalise the anglo persian oil company in 1954 and end britain's exploitation of his country's resources

why did the iranian people get rid of the shah of iran - an american puppet who was running the country on behalf of british and american oil companies?

You are extremely daft if you cant see that your country has been hijacked from you by european criminals, do  you seriously think they plan to share the wealth of south africa with blacks - you must be living on cloud cuckoo land if you beleive that. 

They have already bamboozled you into thinking that you have a stake in a country where over 80% of your own people live in destitution -  so carry on being a fool.

cap28:
No Jews are classified as white everywhere in the world and therefore are the beneficiaries of white privilege - this means that they can go anywhere in the world and enjoy great privilege and access to employment and career opportunities that you and i can only dream about   - You need to research the history of african americans and find out how  jim crow racist policies prevented them from access to education and decent employment - as a result white americans had a 400 year head start on them just the same way white south africans have a 300 year headstart on you as a result of apartheid.

it doesnt matter how intelligent you are - but if you have been denied the right to develop the necessary tools to make you self sufficient ie employment, education etc your intelligence means nothing.

cap28:
No you are the dumb fool who knows nothing worthwile and what makes matters worse is that your  low self esteem and complete lack of dignity and self respect has blinded you into thinking that you are actually in an advantageous position.

You are content with the lowly position that has been assigned to you by the very people who brutalised your fore fathers.

All you have is a job working for whites, you are simply one paycheck away from the townships - you are not in control of  your own destiny because the people doing most of the hiring and firing are the same white oppressors - how does that put you at an advantage?

The education you have been brainwashed with teaches you to be grateful to the people who are responsible for enslaving your own parents and grandparents.  Why dont you have a read through that list i posted up there - it was written by honest black south africans not delusional liars like you.  You can see from the list that all of the garbage you have been vomitting on this forum is pure fantasy.

cap28:
No YOU ARE THE DELUSIONAL ONE MY FRIEND - I LIVE IN THE REAL WORLD where i see things for what they are.  You on the other hand prefer fantasy island.  Of course i caare about what white people have done because i am living with the after effects of their criminal acts namely institutionalised racism, destruction of the economy of my country by way of the IMF and world bank and the financing and supporting of a corrupt black elite who have destroyed my country.

cap28:
The worst part of it is that europe and america STILL continue to interfere in africa's internal issues  - they continue to fund, arm and prop up criminal african dictators like Paul Kagame of Rwanda, Museveni of uganda, Ouattara of Ivory Coast, Bongo of Gabon  they even armed and funded mass murderer Charles taylor formerly of Liberia.

perhaps you were in a coma throughout NATO's destruction of Libya?

did you also miss the fact that your s.tupid president along with our own fool voted in support of the mass bombing of a sovereign country for no other reason than greed and wickedness.

did  you also miss the fact that NATO also armed and funded a group of racist arabs who massacred thousands of  black africans?

cap28:
These same criminals are currently aiding and abetting our current puppet president Goodluck Jonathan who is implementing structural adjustment policies on behalf of criminal organisations like the IMF and the world bank which have led to mass unemployment and mass poverty in my country, so i think i have a right to be angry.

cap28:
Fine, but you still haven't answered my question - who owned the land prior to the arrival of the europeans?

Why did the europeans engage in numerous wars with your people over land?

why were your people herded onto reservations?

You say that today the govt and municipalities own this vacant land - who preceded this current govt that you have ? wasnt it  your former apartheid govt? how did they gain ownership of this land?


Whether there were 3 million or 300 million blacks in your country when whites arrived is irrelevant - the point is that there were indigenous people on this land before them AND SOMEONE FROM THIS GROUP MUST HAVE LAID CLAIM TO THIS LAND - AGAIN I ASK WHY WERE THE EUROPEANS ENGAGED IN WARS WITH YOUR PEOPLE OVER LAND?

cap28:
right, but in order to create wealth you have to have access to the means to create it don't you?

or do you create wealth out of thin air?

can you create wealth if you do not own any land, technology or natural resources?

lets use your country as an example - who owns the majority of the land in your country?

who owns the mining corporations?

who owns the technology which has enabled the creation of the goods and services?

cap28:
First of all education or knowledge is not about following and copying everythign the white man rams down your throat - education is about acquiring knowledge which will enable you as a race of people to provide for yourself and your people and survive in a cut throat competitive world. This very important fact has never occurred to you because the whole of your life you have been brought up as a slave in your own country. The white man taught you to look up to him as a God this is why he can do no wrong in your eyes.

It obviously hasnt occurred to your inferior mind that these white owned educational institutions that you glorify and worship were not designed for people like you - they were designed to mould, shape and prepare whites to rule over you - your presence in those places is a complete and utter waste of time because the knowledge you acquire there will not equip you for the life that awaits you on the outside. As a black man in a country owned and controlled by white supremacists you will not have access to the jobs or career opportunities that your white counterparts will have becase the system itself did not have you in mind when it was being created, as a result your so called knowledge and skills will become obsolete and you will end up frustrated and filled with rage because you will find that there is no place for a black man with a white western orientated education in a society run and controlled by white racists.

cap28:
hahahaha look who is talking about going to school - you need to read a book called the miseducation of the negro by carter woodson - you are a replica of the type of miseducated negro who acquires a eurocentric education which prepares him for a life of vast ignorance, subservience and uselessness. you claim to be educated but you are worse than a stark illiterate - what are you educated to do? i will tell you - you are educated to walk two steps behind baas and bow and genuflect at his feet, do you think he respects you? he just laughs at your pathetic attempt to mimic him, you are nothing more than a well trained pet dog - when baas says jump, you cry - "how high baas" - without baas you are dead. everything you think you have was given to you by baas, you have no independent ideas, no creativity, no self respect - baas manipulates and controls you like a puppet on a string and when he's done with you he will do away with you - why do you think he created the biological weapon HIV aids?

cap28:
You poor thing, baas throws you a few scraps and like the slave that you are you scrabble around on the ground fighting for them and then you have the nerve to think you are better than other africans because you are eating baas's leftover food. But to be honest with you your above statement is actually a lie - most africans do not live in segregated townships like black south africans - we dont have townships in nigeria and i know that in places like Botswana blacks enjoy a very high standard of living which is far better than what you claim you are enjoying in south africa. Besides your story about not having power cuts , bad sanitation is another blatant lie - there have been ongoing riots and demonstrations in almost all of your major townships over poor housing conditions, non existent electricity and water supply, high unemployment, poor job prospects - the list goes on so i think you are just trying to console yourself that you guys are better off when the reality is that you are actually worse off than most africans.

cap28:
Your ignorance and limited world view is a dead give away with the above statement - do you seriously think that the black south africans are in a position to hold the whites in your country to account? Hahahahaha - you really are dumb - listen you clown - the white south africans STILL CONTROL YOUR ECONOMY - YOUR BLACK ELITE TAKE ORDERS FROM THE WHITES - NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

cap28:
hahahaha - what a clown - you really crack me up!!! what are your people enjoying? crumbs? is that your idea of enjoyment- you guy's situation is like the case of a man whose property has been stolen by armed robbers and as the robbers drive past him in his own car with all of his property, they throw him one of his old shirts and he starts jumping up and down and crying with joy that at least he's been allowed to keep one shirt out of all the other more valuable stuff that the robbers were able to make away with!!! you guys are one huge joke!!

cap28:
did you pull this information out of your a.rse cos it sounds like you just made it up? any stats to back that up?

when i talk about the HIV aids epidemic in southern africa i dont mean just south africa - i mean botswana, zimbabwe, lesotho, namibia - everywhere that you have large white settlements - no one is denying that hiv aids is present in other parts of africa but there is a reason for such a high concentration of HIV aids in the southern african countries.
And yes, the whites are intent in exterminating africans all over africa including nigeria - ever heard of AFRICOM? this is the beginning of europe and america's plan to plunger the entire continent into chaos.

cap28:
So are you saying that the land was handed over voluntarily to the white man? or was it just lying vacant with no one laying claim to it ?

cap28:
well, you will soon find out that every thing in life is a competition - especially where resources are limited.

blacks can't create their own success when they don't have any control over the means of making money - everythign in your country which generates wealth remains in the hands of the whites.

cap28:
Im glad you said "probably" because wherever the white man goes it is ALWAYS about racial competition - do you know of any nation on this earth where whites live where race is not important? Even in your country where they are the minority they have turned your country upside down by making race the determinant of success, they even went as far as legalising racial discrimination - everywhere they go on this earth they implement this same formula of racial hierarchy where they place themselves at the top and blacks at the bottom of the socio economic ladder.

cap28:
hahaha you are completely brainwashed and delusional - the biggest trick the white man ever played on the black man was to convince him to accept his lowly position in the world, i dont know how you can say what you said above with a straight face - "they owe you nothing"  - you are a joker! look at what they did to your ancestors and you say they owe you nothing, they took your own land away from you and you say they owe you nothing- they passed laws preventing your from going beyond a primary school education, they passed laws preventing you from owning land or property and being able to be self sufficient and you say they owe  you nothing - you are a joker!

they've even convinced you that you are not intellectually up to scratch and without any trace of embarrassment you actually talk about them doing all the "think work" arent you embarrassed to make such a statement?

cap28:
You say they've put south africa at a higher level compared to other african countries - but at whose expense? who is enjoying the fruits of your labour (because it was your labour that built south africa not theirs)  you or them? can't you see that you have been abused and cheated? yes, they developed the country - but only for themselves - they used your labour to develop the country which has enabled them to live like kings  while the majority black population live in townships wallowing away in poverty.

you are mistaking the few crumbs that they have allowed you to enjoy as wealth - you still depend on them for employment which means you are vulnerable to any changes that they may decide to implement.

cap28:
the reason south africa is more developed than other african countries is becasue the white settlers came there with the aim of remaining permanently unlike the other african countries where they came for one purpose alone - to ra.pe, pillage and plunder, they were not interested in settling in any west african country becasue of the hot climate  hence their decision to limit the level of development in those countries.

cap28:
You better wake up and smell the coffee and realise that south africa was developed for the settlement of whites not blacks.  You need to ask yourself why HIV aids is almost running at epidemic levels in all of the southern african countries that have large settlements of whites - ITS BECAUSE THEY WANT ALL OF YOU DEAD so that you will no longer be in the way of their plans.

HIV aids is a biological weapon which was created by US military intelligence in a laboratory in 1969 and it was initially used by your former apartheid govt to decimate the black population of mainly southern african countries.  Havent you noticed how HIV aids is prevalent in areas of africa with climates which are conducive to europeans?  In addition these areas are also rich in natural resources.

cap28:
You obviously know nothing about america - america is a segregated country with blacks living a separate and unequal existence from their white counterparts - dont forget blacks in america were only allowed the right to vote in 1968, black people in america live in separate neighbourhoods, attend separate schools and socialise away from white americans.  The system there (just like in  your country) was set up deliberately by the white power structure in order to keep blacks permanently in a position of subservience and that is exactly what your white minority rulers have done to you.
The so called success you brag about is not enjoyed by the majority of blacks in south africa only a few black elites enjoy this so called success.  The system was designed by and for the white racists who still control your economy and they are the ones enjoying the success not the blacks.

zolzlolz:
I guess I'll do more research and read 'Native Life' then.

zolzlolz:
For someone who can ask me how many white people I've talked to based on a disbelief of what I had written about race relations between whites and blacks in South Africa, I'm not completely sure that you yourself have tried to discuss race relations with South African Whites. Paniki, maximum respect to you if you can continue to shout on top of your voice to deaf ears. Whites don't want to hear the truth! My life also doesn't revolve around Whites. I cannot plead with a White to listen to the truth, when what I say will go in one ear and out the other. I was confrontational when I believed in this notion of a rainbow nation, that every opinion is appreciated. But since I found it not to be true, I don't try anymore because I'm not going to be listened. White people don't listen to anything a black says if it's something they disagree with. I don't care about them anymore, their salvation is in their hands. It's not my duty. But I will NOT self censor myself when people start lying about race relations in South Africa. Especially when they know the truth and want to hide it.

zolzlolz:
Well I try, but I am repeatedly self-censored, by people like your lassie who choose to pretend that race relations in South Africa is all sunshine and roses. And why are my views radical? It's the truth!

zolzlolz:
Can you tell me how the 1913 Native Land Act which prohibited Black South Africans from owning 87% of the land, and later, because of Apartheid policy prohibited blacks from living in 87% of South African without a pass is somehow justified? Thank you.

zolzlolz:
I went to school with white people(I was one of 7 black kids out of 180 children), I go to a university with white people, I live in a predominantly white neighbourhood, I read newspapers that are geared towards the white middle class. My mother works with, or should I say under white people. So I think I know what I'm talking about damnit!

cap28:
If you create wealth using stolen land and stolen labour - surely that wealth you have created is stolen as well?

cap28:
the idea that black south africans can now somehow be able to compete with white south africans after 300 years of systematic exploitation indicates just how brainwashed , naive or both you are.

cap28:
how do black south africans compete with whites who own the major corporations, the banks, the insurance companies, the schools etc - what do you think will be the outcome of such competition?

cap28:
white south africans owe black south africans because they have an unfair advantage over them, this unfair advantage was not brought about by their hard work and ingenuity but by their theft of resources that belonged to the blacks as well as the subsequent brutalisation and exploitation of these same people. the white south africans are supposed to pay the blacks reparation for all the misery, poverty and endless suffering that they subjected them to.

cap28:
and by the way nationhood is not created as a result of different groups engaging in sports together - nationhood is created when a group of people who share a similar culture or language come together to promote a shared interest - black south africans and white south africans do not share similar languages or culture, one group was victimised and abused by the other and the other imposed their language and culture on the other forcing the weaker group to go along with it.  This is why so many blacks in south africa are still filled with anger - their needs have not been met and they are still being short changed by a system which was designed to keep them poor and exploited.

Vicjustice:
My friend, that site report says: "World Top Ten Countries With Highest Reported Crime Rates", not countries with the highest crime rate. The word "reported" means a whole lot, that is the only reason that Nigeria did not come out in first position knowing that even in these mentioned countries, Nigerians are participating and contributing in their crime activities and measurement.
   Beat your own Dog in the UK, and you're on news the same day, but kill a poor man in Nigeria, the Police would not even hear of it:
   For the fact that South Africa covers the majority of its low profile crimes and yet, it come out in 7th position, that means, if every crime is reported there like in the UK, South Africa would come out in second position after Nigeria

Country and Reported Crime Rate
United States   11,877,218
United Kingdom   6,523,706
Germany   6,507,394
France   3,771,850
Russia   2,952,370
Japan   2,853,739
South Africa   2,683,849
Canada   2,516,918
Italy   2,231,550
India   1,764,630

Dondav:
@oba, what do u think about job opportunities in south africa?

Dondav:
Job seeking! How hard or easy is this compared to both countries?

Vicjustice:
South Africa and the UK are not in same league, UK rules in everything, the only thing that i can say South Africa beats the UK is in crimes

cap28:
the only reason white south africans "get along" with blacks in south africa is because the whites are still in control of your economy, their wealth is intact and their status and position in your country is not threatened - the day any black south african comes to power to redress this imbalance is the day that you will have a repeat of what happened in zimbabwe, the whites will get the hell out of the country and europe and america will gang up to destroy south africa. What you have in south africa between whites and blacks is just a case of whites bamboozling some dim blacks into beleiving that you are all one big happy family, why dont you suggest that all of that wealth that those whites stole from you be redistributed in order to compensate blacks for 300 years of exploitation and abuse under apartheid - lets see just how long this your rainbow coalition thingy will last after that.

kgr28:
bleep it naijas, most educated in africa,gaint of africa and proud africans, true africans, my Bottom. your 1 mill universities are wack,gaint of africa by population, your country is a match box way too populated and dependent on oil alone. who gives a damn about being african, if your country is all mighty and all that why are you bothering people in their countries, and ohhhhwww about aids its ours,we live with it, we love pple who have it. stop mentioning it in every topic, or you want us to be ashamed NO THAT poo WILL NEVER HAPPEN, and yeh we also kill people so what, violation. do you have a problem with that. and again about white pple, they love this country, if south africa is so rich and prosperous because of them SO WHAT, u have 60 years or whatever donkeys years of independence and your country is still bleeped up, ALL THE ILLS AND THE BAD THINGS YOU KNOW MY BELOVED COUNTRY OF: THATS WHAT MAKES US SOUTH AFRICANS, AND MORPHEUOS OR WHATEVER AND YOUR CREW bleep U AND bleep U. YOU CAN SAY WHATEVER BOUT ME AND MY COUNTRY I DONT GIVE A DAMN. BUT FACT IS YOUR COUNTRY IS WORSE, WORSE AND WORSE. AND BEFORE YOU TELL ME HOW ILLITERATE I AM: I WORK AS MANAGEMENT ANALYST, AT A REPUTABLE ASSET MANAGEMENT COMPANY: bleep YOU VERY MUCH,

Oba234:
Stellenbosh right by capetown. Beautiful and peaceful.

Awahid:
As with the vast majority of cities around the world, there are no-go areas in most South African cities, but every single one of them is still a relatively safe place to live in as long as you are vigilant and take the usual precautions. These are five places that I think are some of the safest places to live in South Africa Cape Town, The Garden Route, Port St. John's, Cape St Francis, The West Coast.

Dondav:
Mostly the highway touts, who collect money from drivers.

Decypha:
I actually only just read the comments now; it is sad how divided Africans still are. It is these divisions that made Africa such an easy place for Europeans to colonize.

Decypha:
Wow, I am disappointed and I apologise profusely for the the response from other South Africans concerning this topic. It is a hot-bed and emotional topic but let me try to offer my (hopefully) unbiased views concerning the 2008 incident.

Firstly, I should point out that the attacks were done by a minority of black South Africans; most black South Africans were shocked and ashamed by the events that took place in 2008. That is, most of us did not support the actions that took place in South Africa in 2008.

Honestly the tension was bubbling under though; most of us didn't expect it to explode like it did. And it is partly because of both the reasons you listed.

One thing I do take some offence to is this hint, from your post, that there are no black South Africans making use of the opportunities abound in the country. I suppose perhaps from your viewpoint you don't see it happening much but from where I am, in South Africa, I see far more South African black people making something of their opportunities than black people from other countries.

It is a work-in-progress though, unlike Nigeria, we have only had 20 years to wrap our heads around the freedom of and it is an impatient and fearful South African mind that lashed out at "foreign" Africans. Many people had expectations that once Apartheid ends their problems end as well but they hadn't expected that they would need to proactively pursue change. For them, instead, what happened is they saw an influx of foreigners that looked like they were taking all their opportunities while they sat around waiting for opportunities to come to them.

If you look at the attacks, they only happened in poor black areas in South Africa because those black people, in particular, are the ones who are most fearful. I apologise to everybody on behalf of my countrymen for the violence. I hope this isn't posted too late and that most people will chance upon it and understand that most South Africans were against the violence.