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patrickmuf:
E reach to celebrate o! We are poor defensively and offensive at set piece situations...

Hopefully Maguire will improve and start using his slab to score more goals

Panther7:
Speaking on set pieces United need to recruit a set piece and a throwing coach yeah we need to sign player XYZ but they won't magically stop us from conceding from set pieces.

Speak of throwing gosh we are awful at it, we are too slow and most times lose possession from throwing.


Amaka needs to recruit in staff wise.

Be like say Amaka don dey learn small small

Be like say we don sign new set piece coach. Eric Ramsay.

Afz9095:
Rashford dey para

This guy should take a break from social media. He doesn't need to explain himself all the time.

patrickmuf:
The world cup is rated for the emotions it generates amongst fans but the UCL is the standard right now and Messi has won more than a fair share...

Watching that clip, the defending back then was comical, Pele was a good dribble but Messi is better.

If we are to rate them based on goal scoring, dribbling and play making, I think the score will be 2 vs 1 in favor of Messi...

The pace of the game then was really slow sha.

If UCL is the standard Ronaldo has won more then

Expert17:
Okay, Messi and Cr7 are one of the greatest players to ever play the game.

Exactly!

Expert17:
Xavi, Zidane but not Messi and CR7.

So you would pick a player with world cup medal over 6 Ballon d'or

Don't try to twist my words it's idiosyncratic to you I know that. Messi and Ronaldo are one of the Greatest players to ever play the game, note "one of the greatest" but to say they are the Greatest of all time is what I don't agree with.

ChristoBam:
So basically, you can have the combined talent of Messi, Ronaldo, Maradona and Pele. And score more than 1k goals. But if you're from Panama or a Finland, you can't be considered as the GOAT?

You can be considered one of the GOATs but to say you are the Greatest of all time or the Greatest footballer ever is far fetched.

TrebleChamp:
Good point at bolded, but me dey look their individual performance sha. I watch Mexico 86 and Italian 90, Maradonna was magical all through the tournament. Also what he did at a small club Napoli did it for me. I don't think this debate of who was better between both will ever end...

Maradonna was freakishly good. I think people shouting Messi and Ronaldo are probably the younger generation. I agree the debate will never end but Messi or Ronaldo winning world cup makes it more difficult to discredit them cos they have won everything.

Pele
Maradonna
Zidane
Ronaldo
Ronaldinho
Xavi
Garranchia
All have won the world cup and are considered the one of the best.

Expert17:
I can mention 100+ players with World cup medal

Mention 2 players with 7, sorry 6 Ballon d'Or

I bet the 100 players aren't even in the debate for the G.O.A.T
Players we consider the G.O.A.T have won the world cup but the rules are different when it comes to Messi and Ronaldo. I really don't get.
People say you are the Greatest of all time but you haven't won the Greatest of all price is something I will never get.

TrebleChamp:
True talk, reason why i rate Maradonna the G.O.A.T. Didn't watch Pele play, but Maradonna did magical tinz on the pitch only a Messi could and have done. Na World Cup trophy remain for Messi to take the crown as the undisputed G.O.A.T. Coming from a CR7 fan....

I actually rate Pele more I consider him the G.O.A.T. 3 world cup trophies no be moi-moi.

Expert17:
Winning 7 Ballon d'Or is far bigger and greater than winning world cup.

If Messi wins the world cup tomorrow, another agenda will pop up.

The things we read on this thread mehh

Expert17:
So world cup (team trophy) is bigger than 7 Ballon d'Or (personal award)??

You call someone the G.O.A.T in a team sport but when we say he should win the world cup ya'll remember football is a team sport. I don't really get it.

TrebleChamp:
Naa, only a World Cup win will put him above Maradonna as the G.O.A.T...

Exactly, you can't call someone the G.O.A.T and he has no world cup trophy to his name. That debate will always continue unless he wins it. Whether it's Messi or Ronaldo it applies to both of them.

BikeMan:
I see Ronaldo won the World Cup. Yoonited fans sef.

Bold of you to assume I'm a Ronaldo fan.

afrodoc2:
You say what?

Frederalists won’t like that o.

Let's see what excuse they have this time

I still don't get these Messi Fans it's not like he won world cup? He needs that to end the debate forever.

Lana1:
People just dey complain about Fred for twitter.
It's about to be another one of those days

But but if we talk am for here dem go talk say we get agenda

handelex:
I'll say it's much more than the debut goal because Martial balled hard that season and became the focal point of our attack.

He was the shining light in that LVG team that was boring to watch.

GloryIsaac:
Rashford gets away with some of these things because he stat-pads. Martial on the other hand, won’t perform, won’t stat-pad.

For Martial I think it is nostalgia, that goal he scored against Liverpool on his debut still cloud people's judgement on what he can be instead of what he is currently.

Rashford wey dey feed children we go drag am if anyone tries to over defend him.

afrodoc2:
There are enough people to drag in our squad. I think the most difficult to drag is Luke Shaw. He was our best player last season.

Someone who shall not be named said Fred had a stellar season

eph12:
Which yeye origin? Okay I get you're just trolling and you actually have no idea what you're talking about. I was even taking you and afrodoc2 serious before

If it helps you sleep at night.

Bombblacks:
**Why will you be using poor shooting ability to judge Fred a cdm?

** What is inconsistent first touch?

See as you just jumping into the discussion without understanding the origin of the discussion.

afrodoc and eph12 dey argue CM and CDM abi na CAC doesn't really matter Fred is crap all round doesn't matter the position he plays.
Those weakness we spoke about:
1) Difficulty receiving the ball on the half turn from CBs especially under pressure (key requirement of a CDM).

2) Inconsistent first touch

3) Rushing into challenges and gets dribbled past a bit too easily at times

4) Poor shooting ability.

Will always be there regardless the position he plays.

eph12:
Na why I no be teacher.

Let panther7 inform the house that he was terribly wrong there by himself, then we will discuss the next point

Oya I was wrong there let's discuss the remaining points sir!
Afrodoc2

96forever:
disembark from this careless caping.

If you have any contrary opinion state them and let's engage in a discussion but saying my opinions are "capping" without giving actual reasons is just primitive.

eph12:
Poor passing ability for someone that has one of the best passing stats in the team? It's either the whole team get poor passing ability or you don't know anything about football. Which one is it?

Using stats to judge a player's passing abilities is wrong, Data/Stats can be biased, if Fred makes 35 out of 35 passes in a match stats won't show you how many of them were sloppy passes.
I have said it before Fred passes the ball in a way that put his teammates under pressure either by over hitting or under hitting the pass but if it gets to his teammates Data will count it as completed pass.

From stats Fred is the best passer of the ball but from eye view he is not. With all the data can you say Fred is the best passer in the team? Obviously not.

eph12:
Fred has a couple of flaws. Passing backwards was never one. I wonder where people got that from

Did you say a couple of flaws?
Poor first touch
Rushing into tackles
Easily gets dribbled
Poor shooting ability
Poor passing ability
Inability to receive the ball under pressure/ from the Cb
I saw a stat last season; Fred has taken 54 shots and only 7 was on target. If Fred is balling in the Copa America the question is against who?
I don't have any agenda against Fred but he is not just good enough.

Lukaku has really improved but he is still shiit in my eyes

handelex:
He's going to PSG.

Really? Wow!
So PSG want to sign Ramos and Varane togther. Interesting.

handelex:
He might be old
but still gold, he still has about 2 or 3 top seasons left in him. Him and Maguire won't be bad

Abeg make they use money lure am or would you rather have the Swedish lesbian in defence next season