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hmmmmm,

whare is cuddlemii?

if she says 'Yes' to me, I'll GLADLY go ahead !!

i hope all this so called 'free education' will be worth students while. the last time I checked, nothing good comes easy and nothing qualitative comes free.

@emmatok

from the tenor of your speech, it's not far-fetched that you are not a civilian. I can confidently take a guess that you are most certainly a military man because the word ''bloody civilian'' is most commonly used by them.

well, need I remind you that you are a ground soldier [if you are 1] and you are not any where near being a soldier on this forum. such uncouth terms should be used only within your physical domains and not on an e-platform of this kind.

i'll feel like unleashing my verbal arsenal on you right now and hitting you hard with e-missiles. 'cos i'm an e-soldier - a GENERAL!

BE WARNED!!

emmatok:
Look here man,

Nobody give a hoot about your triabalistic views.

I do not support the teachers excessive actions.

But any adult (from the 70s-80s) who claims he never received beating form teachers is probably not telling the truth.

Must of us who attend Military schools(Command, Air-force, NMS etc) receive beating every time, yet our parent(military officers)never complained.

In most cases our COMMANDANTS disciplined us in the presence of our parent.

Why do you think rich parents(civilians) sent their kids to Military schools(Command, Air-force, NMS etc).For discipline.

Yet you call the action of an ordinary customs-man TEMPORARY INSANITY.

He should then go ahead and wipe out the whole school teachers for beating his ward.

Bloody civilians.

is this warranted? why these vituperations? why the unnecessary paroxysm of e-rage

pcicero:
@okija_juju
If all our posts on this thread are devoid of tribals sentiments (I know you have not taken that line), then we will all agree on the followings:
1. The teacher is not a model or a mentor. His actions are simply called child abuse\molestation etc. in saner climes. I am a product of a public secondary school (CMS Grammar School- public then), I know some teachers jostle to win the Nobel prize in flogging students.

2. The student, by his own admission, is a truant (that was what I wanted to point out with his age), who I assume feels his priviledged position makes him an 'untouchable'. I don't want you to gloss over this fact.

3. The father, who ought to have known the kind of child he has, became hysterical because a teacher beat up his boy. He got his men, about 10 in number to unleash mayhem on the hapless school.
In my opinion, I blame the kid's father more for the way he reacted. He could have handled it differently and if he had done something more civil, he would have gotten my commendation.

I condemn all the three principal actors for this.

haaaaaaaaaaaaaa, bross!

so you are 1 of us, so so so Exact. i have been restrainning myself from mentioning the name of the school. it's practically the same school i was writing about.

the flog you to leave an everlasting memory of the trauma. .

you have just corroborated my story.

as far as I'm concerned on this case, the teacher was not well taken care of. I just hope the boy doubled his sturdy cane/horse whip and used them mercilessly on the teacher's bare back when he was asked to retaliate by his father, else, if na mi b im p[i]opsi[/i], i'll personally maul him and deal with him myself if he didn't beat that numbskull teacher to my satisfaction.

[/quote][quote author=eGuerrilla link=topic=871846.msg10208582#msg10208582 date=1329396837]The following was my very first post here today, which, by the way, was in support of the view expressed by Okija_juju

That you found my remark about not bringing the good office of my employers (let's say Nigeria's Customs and Excise) into disrepute, I think, is most unfortunate.

guy, no vex abeg.

i must have inadvertently missed out your comment. there's has been a flurry of interesting comments here and you are quite right. but you see,  we all sometimes go beyond realms of rationality into intransigence only to regret our actions subsequently.

i'm sure the lad's ''old man'' never knew things would degenerate that far. both parties actually over-reacted. though i still stand on my point that students also deserve just a little regard from teachers.

sorry at the typos.'he not we ''he is

please

michelin89:
Ahahahhahahah I laugh in vernacular myself. How is that supposed to influnce your fluency in English? Where else can you learn English [/b]if not with the English themselves? [b]I nor understand wetin you dey yarn.

I left Nigeria as early as an infant. I struggled to learn good English, because my mum was and is still not a pro, my adoptive dad didn't even speak English and at school and everywhere I went, only the official language in this country was spoken. But today I can compete with students who study in America or in England. Even those who come here after graduating from secondary school or Univeristy in Nigeria still respect me in this aspect.

Fact is we have to accept the boy is not a very smart person. If you and I could manage to improve our skills despite the hostile environments we found ourselves in, why couldn't/can't this young student do the same? And what is he still doing in SS3 at the age of 20? How many times has he been failed? Does he look like someone who is willing to leave the rugged life he is living, enjoying the privileges granted to his father, to move with decent people who can better his knowledge 360° round?

Some people dull and nothing can be done about that. I do agree being good at English is not the same with being smart or wise, because I have come across a lot of people who express themselves very well but express absolutely nothing.

The education in Nigeria might be bad up to a certain level, but let's not neglect an important aspect: nothing can be taught if there is no effort by the students to learn. Just saying.

at the bold words:

I'm not learning anymore, , i'm saturated. it's time for me to give back, hence my research in England is in progress as we speak. I don tire to learn, make me too teach others. Soyinka isn't an Britico, he neither attended a fantastic secondary school school nor learnt Literature in England. Today he is a globally acknowledged icon for his original contributions to literature. I'm not trying to be a 'soyinka' o! and by no means insinuating that but lets emulate such academic exploits.

You left Nigeria as an infant. little wonder you are oblivious of what is obtainable in Nigeria. i'm not bemused in any way.

i don NOT support your argument that the boy isn't smart. if we wasn't smart, he wouldn't have stimulated his father to spearhead the fight against public oppression, suppression and tyranny. have you ever been stripped and flogged publicly as a student in Europe or wherever it is you are now?

his inability to express himself fluently isnt becos he's a dumb student, it just shows that if you put garbage in, the output will always be garbage.

his a product of the school and the environment. there are many like that. even in the high seats of government.

eGuerrilla:
Clearly a small problem of comprehension here, I think.

a virtual media as this with inadequacies stemming from the loss of visual cues, isn't devoid of such misunderstandings. it's just better to be as explicit as possible. you sound like you are in support of the teachers irrationality then an arbitrary swing to supporting the fathers'punishment.

anyway, lets leave it there.

eGuerrilla:
What soft answer are you talking about?

As a student who found often found himself at the mercy of tyrannical teachers for no more than asking uncomfortable questions, I know what it feels like to be emasculated.
I have already declared where I stand on this issue vis-a-vis interventionism, so what soft answer are you banging on about?

If you must know, I have had to intervene in schools in near-similar situations like this, for folks who would rather avoid direct confrontation, in at least half a dozen different cases over the past 5 years.  In every single one, the belligerent teacher was seriously disciplined.

As someone who got teachers given to excess dealt with by the time I could stand on my own in form 3; and sadistic lecturers to atone for heavy-handedness much later on in life, you can bet the "soft option" is always furthest from my mind.

you are just oscillating recklessly in an astutely polarised debate as this. please nail your colours to the mast let me know where you stand so i can disect & digest your point!

what exactly is your argument??

michelin89:
I marvel at people saying good English skills are not enough to determine someone's eduactional achievements. They come as far as naming countries such as China, Russia, France, etc.

Now let me ask: in what language are subjects taught in school in these countries and in what language are we taught in Nigeria?

What excuse has an SS3 student, who has been supposedly speaking English since he was born, both at school and home, got to suck this much?

I finished my primary school in Nigeria before I moved to a non-English speaking country. I have been here for more than 12 years and yes, I managed to learn English myself, because studying English for 2-4 hours a week wouldn't have made me a pro.

you have no point!

i did study in Nigeria, but sorry, becos the better part of my education in primary and secondary school and my neighbourhood didn't help issues either, i was taught in vernacular if you must know and lived among people who constantly roared in vernacular. I was just fortunate to mingle with some few friends at church. they attended better schools and that was just about enough with self effort to polished my expression.

I'm in Enland now, and that has by no means affected my fluency and articulation in english. call me 'a '' supercilious self acclaimed fire of eloquence'' or whatever name you deem fit.

my point - not all schools teach their students in english. make una no blame d boy!

jidewin:
Just as some peeps have voiced their opinion and still doing same on BB,The teacher SHOULD NOT have asked the boy to STRIP, and upon refusal FLOGGED him. HE could have as well TELL him to live and come back with his parents.Lets be realistic,If it was your son or daughter that was flogged that way (with visible bruises all over his back),most of us on nairaland would have brought the roof down that same hour ( i know i would).

And as for speaking pidgin english,come on,wetin bad for dere ; ? how many of them at the oyo house of assembly can speak concise,clear and standard english or make a statement without additional Yoruba accent overtaking the proper pronunciation e.g EIGHT as HEIT, HOUR as AWA, THE as DE
Those remarks made against that boy regarding his PRESENTATION by the lower house member is just based on TRIBAL intolerance and cynism please.

"IGBO boy and im papa,rack yoruba man for im papa soil.Eewo orisa!"

hehehehehehhehhehehe,

HEIT and AWA!

i just tie for them o!

most of them presiding at the house , are there with forged certificate i'm sure!

yet NL no gree relax. it's a failed system in its entirety and what you all are seeing now is the dividend of a failed system.

FULL-STOP!

Shinor:
@Samstyler. You are the biggest fool of the Millenium.
Just one example. China has the largest number of English as a Second Language ESL teachers working there because they have found out that English is the world's accepted medium of communication. Infact once you qualify as an ESOL teacher, you look to the far east for a job. Be quoting baseless poo there.
So the boy will write WAEC in Igbo? Ok now go on, mumu like you

you and many others just sit in the cosy confines of wherever it is you are now, armed with your sophisticated IT devices; lap-tops, smartphones and androids, pontificating about this issues. ''ss3 cant speak English'' and all gibberish blabs. just take a short time visit to these schools and try engaging their teachers in a simple dialogue using plain English - i bet you'll waste no time procuring tablets of paracetamol after the conversation because the grammatical blunders you'll be inundated with will be more than enough to give you brain damage. what do you expect from such a school. super-fly students abi?

[quote author=eGuerrilla link=topic=871846.msg10208021#msg10208021 date=1329392055][/quote]ëGuerilla:

a conjecture which could could likely be the case. a soft answer they say ----- ''turns away wrath''

stildude:
Yes, I agree with those that have seen through the veil of tribalism in this issue. However, it was definitely started by the Oyo house of assembly in the first place. A house of yorubas sitting on a yoruba vs ibo matter. what will you expect. They were all quick to paint the ss3 boy bad. Even the miserable report is not balanced. One of the house members who tried to see things from a different angle was shouted down by his colleagues. I wonder if any of those members would have reacted differently had it been their child that was the one humilliated like that. Now NBA Oyo wants to fight the fight on behalf of the teacher. No one is condenming the  babaric act of the teacher. His action (if you could call it punishment at all) was tribally motivated. he has been beating other boys before the igbo boy's turn, but when he saw the igbo boy, he had to double the cane to increase the boy's pain. Even when the boy fell to the ground, would he leave him alone, no, he had to flog him so hard till his skin broke and would only be satisfied until he saw the teenager's blood.

Howbeit, the Father of the boy went a bit far with the shooting stuff.

For those feigning surprise at an ss3 student not speaking the queen's kind of english, be real. it didn't start today, in my time, girls spoke better english than most of the kids from boys school. But surprisingly, when it came to inter school english competition, boys almost always won. There was this girl in my street that used to intimidate us with english, but when WAEC results were out, I flogged her so badly. You must understand that there is practical physics and biology, but no practical english in school. Only theories and filling the blank. It gets worse if you communicate at home or 'area'  in your native tongue.  You would be surprised that the boy in question would pass english very well in his exams. moreso, he may have been intimidated by the audience. So many adults will freeze and loose their communication ability when it comes to public speaking, howmuch more a boy. I also didn't like how one of the respondents in the report said govt should do better things with its money. I would like to know the english or other subjects status of her children first. wayo woman!. All they want to achieve is to embarass the boy and his father mostly because he is a non yoruba.

I served and taught in Oyo, tewure to be precise, all the students in the ss3 class could not comprehend simple expressions in english apart from one kid that usally come in from ogbomoso. Not even the teachers or some of the LAUTECH students I came across. You don't speak yoruba nothing for  you with lauthech girls. As if beating  a teacher is new in Oyo, back then in 2000/2001, students from one secondary school close to the Lautech used to beat up their teachers, they even used voodoo to brutalize teahers there. They were very feared even by the Lautech students.

Now this is one of the stories I see in American movies or read about where whites and blacks storm the court house with signs defending their interests. in this case. the yorubas are whites, and the ibos are black. let's see which side public sentiment will sway, unfortunately for the ibos, like the blacks, they are at a disadvantage here. The whites (yorubas) own the judges, the assembly, the NBA and the social media like Nairaland, and they are playing at home. Will there be an offset?

"@the bold words in red



hahahahahahhahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

ROTFLMAO


If you be lawyer, you go badt gaaan!

havent laughed this hard in a long while

ambyzown:
God save our health and medical system if this is the quality of medical practitioners we have.

@Ambyzown:

you know nothing about principles of practice of the profession so keep quiet. don't be a judge of the profession, learn to see things through other peoples lenses and put yourself in their shoes. it's usually better to be empathetic than being sentimental or sympathetic. why brutalise a student? if we criticise  military officials for such assaults, i think a teacher should be criticised even more. i wondeer the joy people feel when they inflict coporal pains on others and it beats me they get support from people like you.


anyway, save your prayers for the structure of your health care system because it surely needs prayers!

ceejayluv:
i don't blame you anyway. You are a product of our failed system as well.

GBAM! on spot! he's another imbecilic cretin.

eGuerrilla:
Given the circumstances which have now come to light, I certainly would have intervened as this father did, although without bringing the good office of my employers into disrepute.
It is now clear this teacher set out to humiliate an over-aged student in a most disapproving manner.
The intent was undoubtedly to inflict as much pain as possible, as opposed to rehabilitating errant behaviour.

what makes you feel his colleagues at the customs intentionally went to the school to assault the teacher. they must have seen the extent of the teachers folly and probably decided to go hear him out. apparently,  it's possible they got there and the teacher sounded rude or unrepentant, tempers flared without caution, courtesy was hurled to the gutters and what else do you expect - tit-for-tat of course. why don't you see it in that light?

for those biased and irrational tribal bigots who are beginning to bring in ethnic sentiments into this issue, you all sure need to see a shrink. must you see every issue through your jaundiced tribal lenses? youruba this, igbo that, bla bla bla, you need pshychiatric evaluation o!

wellmax:
Education in Nigeria is at its low ebb. I had τ̅☺ stop marking WAEC papers because of the disappointing performance of the students. I tell you no zone is spared, except for a few private schools. Many of them have answers written on the board for them during examination Äπϑ yet end up writing rubbish. SMH

spot on! the private schools are even worse! however, their strong point and which i cherish so much is the fact that many of their students can at least express themselves fluently. apart from that, they know next to nothing in their academics. I have a cousin who finished from a top private school. he was so lucky his dad could afford it ! he finished with 6 distinctions from sciences but would struggle with so much sweat to give you the chemical formula of table salt or even water. when i asked him how the hell he passed WAEC with 6 distinctions, he told me bluntly, that answers to the questions were boldly written on the chalk boards for them. C-R-A-Z-Y!! i said in sheer disappointment.

Education in Nigeria is just a write-off! finito!

the teacher should consider himself lucky he left with just beating. i'm NOT really sure he was beaten the way he deserves. being alive to tell the story should be his 'miracle of the year' hence, i'll advice him to give a testimony to the fact that he's alive to tell the story when next he's in church.

there's no justification to punish a child in that manner. public school teachers are just a bunch of nuisance. i attended one and I MEAN what i'm saying here. in the first place if they are competent, a supposedly ss3 student who cant fluently in plane and simple english articulate himself is enough evidence of their sheer ineptitude. what do you expect from a failed system without a proper structure to assess students. how the hell did such a student make it from jss1 to ss3? is he a magician?

like i stated earlier, i attended a public school (finished 1996) and i must confess that although i'm doing great today [by my personal assessments of academic prowess vis-a-vis being a medical practitioner and an academic researcher at the moment ] my GREATEST regret in life today is attending a public primary and secondary school. our teachers taught us in vernacular always and were always busy gossiping in their miserable offices. we lacked basic amenities any one would ideally expect a secondary school to have. I could count the number of times teachers delivered lectures on the fingers of one hand. as if that is not enough, students were flogged much more than cows from Sokoto to Lagos   .

I wish I had parents who could fight for me like this students up here, i swear, i'll be the one to first snatch my fathers riffle from him and practically blow the miserable teacher''s coagulated brains out of his thick skull and damn the consequences. inspite of leaving school over 16 years ago, each time I reflect and remember how we were assaulted with canes [sometimes doubled like this case] it sends shivers of 'terror'down my spine. it's  a traumatic experience and it's more or less have left a sort of psychological scar   . I remember a guy who was asked to lie postrate on his long desk, he was flogged like a criminal until he fell from the desk and broke his arm. another one was flogged till we saw all the layers of his his endodermis {inner skin layers looking white], if not for privacy reasons and the fact that i have decided to let go   , i'll post the name of this hopeless school i attended and name the teachers in question bacause i have refused to forget their names. i still watch out for the day i'll stumble into any of them. i will surely harass them i swear!!

our teachers were very lazy retards and only heavens know how they were recruited. 300 students sat for WAEC and only 9 of us passed english. please dont ask me my grade because i managed to eascape , hehehhehehe, we were 80 in science class but you wont believe it -- just 2, passed physics- our saving grace, we both formed a formidable private reading group. statistics for the other subjects were equally miserable if not worse! yet, the dimwitted moro0ns who call themselves teachers summon the balls to flog a child.

i dont intend sending a child to public school ooooo, but if any cretin or slo[i]w[/i]poke dare touch my child, i swear, his ordeal in my hands will make headlines in all Nigerian newspapers, because i'm really feeling vindictive o!!!!!

Na wa o! accommodation for 9ja don wear khaki !

800k and still pleading? that should be more than enough.

landlords & agents are just too greedy.

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faithin9ja:
@Patos405

Do you have any idea it costs to build a wind turbine farm?
Do you have any idea how much it costs to produce one kilowatt hour of electricity?
The gas, wind, solar you talk about do these things come at no cost?

@Faithin9ja.

I can see you really do have faith in 9ja.

do you have any idea how much Nigeria makes a day?
do you have any idea how much senators and house of rep members earn?
do you have any idea how extravagant this government is?
do you have any idea how much is being loot from national treasury on daily basis?
do you have any idea how much our politicians are worth courtesy of their loots?

do a better research and i'm sure you'll drop your jaws for one hour and stare in bemusement.

faithin9ja:
@thot
you are so right, the biggest mistake was private sector involvement in Telecoms, banking, hotels, airlines. We should go back to NITEL, Nigerian Airways, New Nigeria Bank, etc.

indeed, , una never suffer reach.

going back is not the problem. it would have been better if people can sit down, think radically, bring in creativity, dedication, devotion and forget corruption. that's the only way out. don't think foreigners will come an make your country better for you. they are also seeking to be rich. their vested interest is to the benefit of their own pockets.

we have just bluntly refused to move forward as a nation.

laziness and corruption has been enthroned. make una enjoy am like that.

faithin9ja:
. The proposal is increase price of electricity so private investors will be encouraged to invest.

this does not sound rational. do you increase the price because you want to encourage fooreign investors or you increase it to provide better services?

faithin9ja:
The subsidy is to put in place when the tariff rises, which it has not yet risen.

more confusion. you just stated that the govt want to increase the rates/prices. you (the government) cant increase the prices yourself and still put subsidy in place. it's either the masses bear the financial brunt or you (the government) bears it on their behalf. in that case, you'll call bearing their financial burden , a 'subsidy'.

faithin9ja:
what we currently pay NEPA is not enough to cover their costs, hence all the current IPP's are not having it easy.

if what we pay NEPA is not enough, it means the government has been subsidising it. you can't give what you don't have. NEPA is the last organisation to provide you services below running cost. their problem is just gross incompetence and laziness, simple.

besides, Nigeria crying about foreign investors coming in to provide them electricity is just ludicrous. Nigeria is a country in comatose. they sufer amidst plenty. they choose to wash the soap off their eyes with saliva while a pool of water lies in their front. we can generate electricity locally from dams and wind using turbines. we have dams, lakes, rivers, even d ocean/sea very close. yet we can't harness this sources for power. the UK and other countries (China, US, Germany, Spain, Italy, France, Canada, Denmark. see  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power ) currently generates more than it can consume from wind turbines. (9ja just choose to romance with mediocrity, ignorance, suffering and poverty in the midst of plenty. the same way they have abundance of crude oil but choose to sell pump price same as countries that have nothing related to crude oil.

these just shows the kind of leaders we have. let them sit back on their fat ases and wait for importation, foreign investors e.t.c as if those foreigners are magicians.

@ Faithin9ja.

firstly, when you remove subsidy on anything, the prices increase and it liberalises the market. during the last PMS controversy, the government initially aimed at removing subsidy completely [i.e 141-65=76=100%. 76naira is the subsidy per. litter]. where 141 is final price, 65 was initial price and 76 is subsidy govt claims to be paying per litter. after so much wrangling and debate, it was reduced to 97naira.this practically means that the govt still pays a subsidy of 44naira per litter of PMS. i.e government has decided to pay 44naira [57% subsidy] and allow masses to pay additional 32naira [43% subsidy]
.
note; PMS used to be =141 = 65+ 76. masses paid 65 & govt paid 76. if you remove the subsidy completely [100%] masses will pay 141

but because masses cant pay 141, we now have PMS=141= 97 (65+32) + 44. masses pay 97 and govt pay 44. this means that subsidy has been reduced by 43%. 76 (100%) - 32 (43%) = 44 (57%)

apparently, the effective subsidy we have in place now is 57%.


this same shenanigan government want to remove subsidy on electricity and allow prices do a somersault by 88% which is only 12% away from 100% [almost double]. and I'm sure that at that rate, many foreign investors will find it enticing to come in. now,my question is- what is the current subsidy rate on power? and is why fix the rate yourself when you have liberalised the market?

as far as i'm concerned, 12% away from twice the initial cost is not enough to choose to gamble with Nigerian government. they are not worth it. you'll pay and still not get the power supplied sometimes. so, why not patronise foreign investors. for all I care, if they insist on removing subsidy on power, they shoiuld as well remove it completely [100%]. let foreign investors come in. they'll do the job better and at a more affordable and valuable rate than this ojoro government.

what dividends have you seen yet from the fuel subsidy removal? pls dont tell me it's too early. structures and plans can be put on ground. NOTHING will come out of it and they'll blame it on insufficient revenue. 100% subsidy removal will be clamoured for if nigerians want better result. they are just greedy visionless leaders.

if you deregulate power/PMS, why not leave the price to market forces? what if any foreign investor chooses to bring in these commodities at far more affordable prices. this ojoro government is really nauseating!

i attended a single sex school & it's 1 of my greatest regrets.