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Leyqute:
Dalot and Varane are not new players nor are they new to the club.

I don't mind seeing only Varane in our starting back 4 with the rest of them being new players...

Shaw and Maguire should not be starters...We can't continue the culture of rewarding mediocrity...

Leyqute:
You can’t compare City’s setup with United’s.

City are successful on the pitch. They have an identity and each player knows their role in the team. They’ve also gotten it right in almost all positions on the pitch. So changing one or two things won’t affect their overall output significantly.

If you remove Haaland and Lisandro from City’s squad, they’re still a formidable team.

The same cannot be said of United. We’re still trying to figure out what works and what doesn’t in terms of team chemistry, personnel, etc.

It is too risky to throw out 2 LBs who are part of the dress room and replace them with new faces.

Telles and Shaw haven't cemented their position here...I am most disappointed in Shaw so, I don't see how worse we can be without them...

Are you saying that we will struggle if we replaced Maguire, Shaw and AWB with Dalot - Varane - Martinez - Malacia? I think not. Even if Dalot is replaced with a new RB I won't complain...I'd rather watch the new guys take a couple of games to get going than watch those players who have supposedly blended with the rest of the team continue to mess things up...

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Based on your logic, the NW would queue under Kwankwaso ba?

Then the NE would queue under Atiku, abi?[/color]

The Northerners are not caught up in the mess we find ourselves down South...Igbos will align with Obi while Yorubas will align behind Tinubu with the South South splitting between the PDP, APC and LP...

I have this gut feeling that Kwankwaso will at some point start working for Tinubu if he isn't already doing so...Choice of Vice and Political party will play a huge role up North as I see Atiku, Tinubu and Kwankwaso (If he doesn't collapse his structures before the general elections) sharing the votes...

It will be difficult for Obi to penetrate core North so, he should focus on the Middle Belt (He stands a chance of getting 30% votes here), SouthEast and South South...He'll get votes in Lagos and Kaduna and couple in other states which is his best bet...

Tinubu will do well in his stronghold and get enough votes in the NE and NW...

The Middle Belt will play a big role of Obi must stand a chance...I am ruling out Atiku and Kwankwaso entirely...

Leyqute:
This wouldn’t be a problem, except for a little thing called team integration and chemistry.

It’s too risky. I don’t mind getting rid of one LB who is familiar with the club and it’s systems and then buy 2 new LBs.

Getting rid of both and buying 2 new Lbs is too risky.

If the 2 of them don’t settle well or get on well with others, the team could be in big trouble.

City are bringing in Haaland and Alvarez who are new to the league but then it's no problem.

There's a reason I suggested an experienced player with plenty of EPL experience...Shaw leaving on a free or getting an improved contract will be bad business just as keeping a below average Telles will see us paying him for doing nothing...

eph12:
We should get in a replacement first before selling anybody. We've not even replaced the ones that have left so far

Lisandro, Eriksen, Garner and coming in to replace Matic, Mata, Lingard etc...

FDJ is still a distant possibility to replace Pogba while Martial is back to replace Cavani...

Don't forget that we might hit gold with a couple of youngsters.

KingAlabi:
Could they come pay 15m for Jones, we will throw in Mctom as a thanks for coming.

If McTom is in the market, trust me we can easily get £20m - £25m for him...If Fulham can cough out £10m for Pereira then McTom with his pace and pawa should fetch us more...He'd be a delight for the likes of Brentford, Palace, Everton, West Ham and co.

Leyqute:
2 new LBs in one window? Isn’t that … weird?

We can opt for an experienced LB who isn't new to the league...Someone in his late 20s...

TeslaFC:
Any move he makes now would very likely not be to a big club, so chances of receiving an offer similar to United’s is substantially reduced.

In this case, United holds the bargaining power, which means there’s no pressure to offer any improved wages. Also consider he’s English.

Everton pay heavy for average players, I'm sure they wouldn't mind paying in excess of £25m for Shaw...

ChristineC:
that will mean United offers him a contract extension on improved wages or lose him for free next summer. while I hope he's worth it, I still think both options are not good for business.
I'd rather recoup some decent fee from his sale because he's been a disappointment. I think there are players already in the squad that can play makeshift at left back if Malacia proves to need some settle in period. talent has proven not to be everything in Luke Shaw's case.

I agree with you but I suggest we cash in on both Shaw and Telles...

I am very sure Everton, Forest or Newcastle will have no problem splashing £25m on Shaw especially Everton...We can easily get £10m for Telles...With that, we can proceed to sign another experience LB in the region of £25-30m...

You guys have brought your rubbish football logic here...Why can't you guys be objective for once when analyzing things?

Aregbe messed up Osun so much so that it was always going to be difficult for his successor. The people were fed up and rightfully opted for a change...In 2012/2013 I was a youth corper in Osun and I saw first hand how clueless Aregbe is especially his education policies...I don't even want to talk about how he plunged the state into depts whilst not paying salaries or pension and when he pays, he pays 40% or thereabout...

Come the general elections, they'll queue up behind their own just the same way the East wil queue behind Obi...2023 is going to see each ethnic group queue behind their own...

When the campaigns starts, it will get worse and sadly so...

Ellexy:
Despite Dalot's superior technical abilities and offensive drive, it's still debatable between him and AWB. We need a new RB.

No question about whether we need a new RB or not but as per who stays, it's Dalot...

Ellexy:
AWB is not my hill, I just feel the guy is most times unduly scapegoated. I wouldn't mind if we sell him for an upgrade but Dalot is not better than him.

In this set up, Dalot shi.ts on him...

I hope Davido is also on ground to defend his vote?

adebayo201:
They've come this far to look elsewhere. As someone opined, immediately the issue is entering 10th week, you've have cut it off but I guess ETH is stubborn though.

At this point, na siddon look whilst hoping ETH gets his man.

FDJ traveled with Barca for preseason...

Seriously, ETH should look the other way or the board should override him...

eph12:
Depends on if ellexy is ready to learn. He be like someone wey get coconut head

Starboytwo:
Gawd, shame is catching me for Barca pipu, how can a supposedly big team be so mismanaged like that Nor be person be Madrid? You can’t pay players, you can’t buy players, lost messi, owe de jong salary, pique, busquet etc don’t even collect salary again, na their savings dem Dey chop at the moment? The whole board needs to be sacked, probed, arrested.

Man utd is many things, but we will never reach these Barca level.

Blame Bartomeu...

eph12:
ETH is working on that. You people are finished as soon as ETH finishes his magic

Can ETH work on Ellexy AWB?

timay1:
Like play, ETH is turning Telles into a Center back sha

He prolly sees a Blind in there...For LCB, Lisandro, Telles, Lindelof etc...Maguire go really chop bench...

[quote author=patwilly post=114770836][/quote]Check YouTube...

Oasis007:
James Ducker: Manchester United agreed to increase the guaranteed sum for Frenkie de Jong by £8.4m and reduce the add-ons. It remains to be seen if Barcelona now use that higher up-front fee to help partly cover the cost of the £17m in deferred wages.

Barcelona should do the needful...

Kilishihunter:
Fact? But fdj himself hasn't come out to say that's the sole reason na even his agents, His contract expires in 2026, His deferred salary is £14m from the restructured one in the pandemic, there are to be added to his normal salary not jam-packed into one, What we are trying to avoid is his loyalty, performances, title bonusess that will increase widely every season till it expires, The deferred payments are separate chief
The thing be say, both of us won't even agree on this matter as it's logical for both parties to get their best interests, Let's just see how it ends

Barcelona are trying to reduce their wage bill, yes or no?

Do you think the likes of Lewandowski, Pedri, Fati, Auba etc won't look at FDJ's wages and want to at least be at parity with him? It the reason Laporta wants to offload him but he isn't keen on leaving not until the money he is owed is sorted out. It's simply drawing inference from the facts before us...

Kilishihunter:
Chief, these two are non mutually exclusive na, Fdj's seasonal incoming wages are our wagebill ish while transfers are installmental payments, Our board hasn't said anything yet on forgoing his deferred payments
Hopefully all parties come to an agreement

The fact is that the deal is tied down due to the money he is owed. The both clubs have agreed a fee...

I don't think FDJ will decide to stay at Barca even when it's obvious Barca want him gone. The only rational take here is that he wants to get paid his money before committing to a move...

United optimistic over De Jong deal’
Sky Sports News’ Melissa Reddy in Melbourne:

“Manchester United have been very optimistic that the Frenkie de Jong deal will happen.

“He has been Erik ten Hag’s priority signing. It’s been such a long pursuit, so tricky to negotiate and deal with because a lot of the problems with the deal don’t stem from United’s end, they stem from Barcelona’s end and their financial predicament. De Jong is owed about £14m in deferred wages from Barca and that needs to be taken care of.

“We know that United have a £72m agreement in place with Barca for the midfielder.

“Now, there’s been a lot of talk that he doesn’t want to go to United and his preference is to stay at Barcelona, and that’s not really true.

“His preference was to stay at Barcelona. They want to sell him because they need him to take another pay cut. He doesn’t want to, and he shouldn’t really. He negotiated what he negotiated, and he’s given encouragement to Ten Hag.

“There is no club who would get so far down the line in a negotiation if a player didn’t want to come. United have gone all in on this and been so patient. They’ve dealt with a lot of hurdles that aren’t; really within their control, and they’ve still pressed on and pursued him.

“It’s a deal they do feel they will get over the line.”

andrewbaba44:
No need to Dey vex

No be me be de Jong wey Dey reject your club

Thank you

Where has it been reported that Barcelona intend to pay De Jong from the from fee they'll receive from Manchester United?

At least it's been reported that he is owed $17m which he doesn't intend to write off...

He has a running contract with Barcelona thus if he angles for a move he is going against the terms of the contract hence will be sold based on his demands however, he won't be able to hold Barca liable for his money since he went against the contract to demand for a move...

As things stand, Barcelona want him out but they're not saying anything about the money he is being owed...If he stays, you guys have to continue paying him his high wages and eventually will still pay the $17m...I understand Barcelona are trying to cut down their wage structure so, he is more a pain in Barca's ass...

You come here sounding like you're doing us a favor even when it is obvious that you guys can't wait to get him off your books anyway, I don't blame you, it's Nairaland where a grown man will twist logic to suit his ego...SMH!

andrewbaba44:
If he wants to join Man U he would have joined

He is not owed any 17 million ,money that can be easily paid from Man U transfer fees ,una no go think this one

Man doesn’t want to move to Manchester United and that’s on period ,but Barca are pushing him out .

He is not owed?

Abeg free me with your one sided views...

andrewbaba44:
But FDJ had said it openly several times that he doesn’t want to join Man U ,Abi you go pretend like say you no see am ?

Be ready to keep him when e no wan collect pay cut ,if he wants to stay he should take a pay cut .

You expect him to come out and say he wants to leave when he is still being owed $17m?

If na you, you go accept to write off that kind money?

And as for his contract, did he put a gun to your directors head when they offered him offered him the contract?

kozmicity:
I think to get the best out if this squad you posted, a 4-1-2-3 might just be the best bet.

DDG
Shaw
Varane
Baily
Bissaka
Martinez
Bruno
De Jong
Rashford
Martial
Sancho.

ATTACKING:

I really think Bissaka would be in the first team purely due to his defensive capabilities. On the attack, man u could switch to a back three of Varane, Bailly and Bissaka while Shaw goes forward in order to give better attacking options.

Rashford, Martial and Sancho would maintain a constant attacking presence in the opponents third while Bruno and Frenkie constantly try to pick up on the mistakes and redistribute to our defenders in order to give our forwards some rest and pull out the opponents before the next wave of attack OR, they keep distributing the ball in the opponents half while allowing our back 3 to get closer to the halfway line in order to contribute in the attack and in the same stroke, allowing our forwards find space in between opposing defenders.

BRUNO WILL HOLD, De Jong will roam.

DEFENSIVELY:

As per training, the forwards will be the first line of defense, pressing high. They will be joined by BRUNO and FDJ in order to try win the ball in their half. A 5-2-3 that allows Martinez to meld with the defensive line as one of the CB's while Bruno and FDJ's role becomes predominantly box to box. This setup allows Martinez to make outliers and assist in the pressing. Man to man marking should be employed and our fullbacks should hug the touchline in order to minimize damaging offensive runs by opposing wingers. ( This is why there's AWB on the right... DEFENSIVELY, Dalot is trashy).

Omo, typing no easy

You can substitute FDJ, for VDB or ERIKSEN... I don't know who's coming that's why the midfield is setup to allow as much flexibility as possible. Bruno is definitely a starter until I see otherwise.

No insults please, tell me what you think
afr.odoc, elle.xy, ep.h12, patrickmuf, ovo.P, Christo.Bam, Leyq.ute

At Barcelona, FDJ is interested in the Busi role, he feels that's his best position so, I don't see him being too happy with the idea of being pushed up...

Bruno hold? Impossible, Bruno just doesn't have the positional discipline rather he is the one who should roam whilst someone like Eriksen holds...

AWB won't start for ETH, the coach has come out to say he wants to create a balance on both sides thus AWB won't start...

It will be interesting to see what ETH does with Garner because he has shown he can at least deputize for whoever is the team's deep lying playmaker...

From all indication, FDJ wants to join Manchester United but he can't come out to say it since he is owed $17m by Barcelona...

Barcelona are trying to be smart by forcing him out because they don't want to pay the money or at least they want him him to make some concessions which is ridiculous...

How will you sign Raphinha for over $70m and are after Lewandowski who will cost between $45-50m and you expect De Jong to write off the $17m he is owed?

Barcelona should simply pay him off or be ready to keep him...Barcelona is holding down the deal and not FDJ as they're trying to have us believe...

On one hand the youths cry of no jobs but on the other hand, they are quick to tear the country to shreds to the amazement of foreigners...

Someone who by every definition belongs to the elite class is dragging the name of the country in the mud to score cheap points and you lots are encouraging her...Well, the more you de-market the country, the more investors will rather invest elsewhere...Who loses?

Whilst to a large extent, we are all right to be angry at the same, we can go about effecting change come 2023 whilst being patriotic on the global front...

TrebleChamp:
You should know this is a friendly dig? Beside it was for Elle.xy....

I know bro but na so e dey start before you know e go turn to wahala...

TrebleChamp:
Which salary, De Jong has rejected United again. But a friend here said he is the only midfielder that can play Ten Hag style, so United should continue chasing him ..

Must you always make reference to your said friend? All because you guys had an argument?

FDJ is ETH choice that's why I wanted us to sign him just so ETH has all the tools he needs however, it seems we have not made any headway since we started negotiations hence the reason why we will should lok elsewhere...It doesn't however invalidate the fact that he is ETH preferred choice for that role...