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Christianity Etc › Re: Religious People Are The Most Evil People On Earth by paxonel(m): 5:25am On Apr 02, 2025

Omoawoke:
Let’s assume I agree with all you say…

But you didn’t answer my question…
DO YOU BELIEVE IN THE TOWER OF BABEL AS IT WAS WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE. ?
?

As a child, i used to believe the story. But now, the story means something else to me with the the same fundamental lesson

Remember you boasted earlier that everything in the Bible can be scientifically proven….

ofcourse yes, and i still maintain my position

Seems you are given up easily…

and i explained that science encompasses a wide range of varieties of knowledge which may include ability to interprete figurative languages accurately, based on the context of a story

As for me, I don’t believe it… so do you?

I believe the accurate interpretation that possibly, it happened.
But i don't be that it happened the way it was written

Christianity Etc › Re: Religious People Are The Most Evil People On Earth by paxonel(m): 11:07pm On Apr 01, 2025

Omoawoke:
Okay, we have made progress, that the Bible is not100% free of errors has been established…
And the few ones we used as examples are just one out of several hundreds that no one can deny… and I’m glad we both agree.

of what use pointing out errors from a history document that was written over thousands of years ago by authors who possibly not educated enough to present their points more precisely?

If we are to speak of the rest, it would only be a waste of time and energy

it's of use!
You will end up chasing wild geese and nothing will change

So first agreement… Bible isn’t 100% free of some little obvious errors.

there are no one single history today that is totally void of error or do you know any?

As a matter of fact, the errors are indication that history books are documented at the time most people didn't have quality education which shows that what were documented in the book are true

Let’s move to the Bible stories…. There are some interesting stories in the Bible, that speak of our supposed history as humans…
From our creation to our Lord Jesusssss Krissst to our present generation.

The stories are so many, let’s pick them one by one…

I like to go with Tower of Babel… ? Because I feel it insults common sense..

So tell me, do you believe in the Tower of Babel? Is that part of the Bible true as they said it?

The story goes beyond what is written and requires proper interpretation for the modern and educated minds of this current era
Perhaps, it was written that way for primitive minds of the ancient and mediaeval era who were more interested in mythogies for them to understand.

Also note that these kind of writings were not limited to only the bible.
We have read books concerning the Greek mythology, Macbeth, The Tempest, Julius Caesar etc

Perhaps these stories actually happened. But in the real sense, they did not happen the way they are presented in the books

Christianity Etc › Re: Religious People Are The Most Evil People On Earth by paxonel(m): 10:42pm On Apr 01, 2025

Lucifyre:
Dense coward! why are you running, this is the 2nd time😁 We can indeed agree your silence demonstrates how dense you are as earlier stated.

Don't be a cheap yoghurt
if you think whatever you want to post is valid enough discredit the bible, just post it.
I'm always here to counter you.
NL isn't running away cheesy

Christianity Etc › Re: Religious People Are The Most Evil People On Earth by paxonel(m): 10:40pm On Apr 01, 2025

Lucifyre:
Dense coward! why are you running, this is the 2nd time😁 We can indeed agree your silence demonstrates how dense you are as earlier stated.

See, if you think whatever you want to post is valid enough discredit the bible, just post it.
I'm always here to counter you.
NL isn't running away cheesy

Christianity Etc › Re: Religious People Are The Most Evil People On Earth by paxonel(m): 9:20am On Apr 01, 2025

Omoawoke:
So we now agree the Bible is not 100% perfect based on this inconsistency?

certainly!
since they are documented by humans.

But the key message which is Jesus Christ is perfectly passed across

and by the way, I wonder why it takes you so much time and the entire day to answer just simple questions....Lol,

I was pretty busy

and this is just a tip of the iceberg, ( beginner's course) by the time I take you to legendary level, you may end up abandoning your account and flee like the devil.

So, you agree that there is devil, but God you don't?

Just know you are in for a very long ride.... your fellow believers avoid topics like this because they know they can't survive it, but here you are....defender of the Bible. I like you

I will advice you to stay quietly in your atheism if you don't want me to convert you into Christianity grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Religious People Are The Most Evil People On Earth by paxonel(m): 3:04am On Apr 01, 2025*

Omoawoke:
Hmmm, so intelligent..

Okay 2nd question and 3rd question…
Did you skip them?

2nd question is no doubt alteration of figures due to different accounts, one in kings and the other in chronicles.

It's more or less like this historical argument between the benin people and the Lagos indigenous people each having their own sources of history from different accounts as to who founded the Lagos kingdom?

What the bible does is to have the two sources of history and their different accounts recorded.
One for kings, the other for chronicles.

Not that the bible is contradicting or inconsistent.
Rather, the bible is also a book of historical records.

But the overall message is, King Jehoiachin was a child, possibly between 8 to 18years when he started ruling

Christianity Etc › Re: Religious People Are The Most Evil People On Earth by paxonel(m): 10:36pm On Mar 31, 2025

Omoawoke:
[b]
1. Who incited David to take a census of Israel?
A. The Lord
B. Satan

(2 Samuel 24:1 vs 1 Chronicles 21:1)

Dont try to change it.
Dont even go there.

2 Samuel 24:1 did not use the word INCITE.
Rather, it used the word ANGER.

Now, look at this one

Judges 10:7 And the anger of the LORD was hot against Israel, and he sold them into the hands of the Philistines, and into the hands of the children of Ammon.

The same way God allowed the Philistines and Ammonites to defeat Israel because he was angry with them,that's how God allowed Satan to use David because he was angry with the Israelites. So, there is no contradiction between the two scriptures

Is that too difficult to understand?

When i say there is no way you atheists can understand bible than a little child or even an illiterate who is Christian, you will think I'm joking.

Why jumping into argument over what you don't understand are you not fooling yourself like this?

Christianity Etc › Re: Religious People Are The Most Evil People On Earth by paxonel(m): 4:56am On Mar 31, 2025

jaephoenix:
I'll go one better: I'll present passages that are not just contradictory but are plain lies!
In fact, they are so many I had to put them into paragraphs.
Here, check this link and see all the numerous passages and how your fellow christians were waffling all over that thread.
https://www.nairaland.com/7659505/book-bible-gaffes
You can make your rebuttals here

Let's use one as a case study :

Genesis 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Genesis 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

Is this what you call contradiction and inconsistency? grin

Someone constructed a car and saw that what he did was good.
He invited another person to enter his car only for the vistor to come and destroy his dashboard. Then he regrated why he invited the person.
Is this suppose to be inconsistency or contradiction?

OK, how do you define the words inconsistency and contradiction in your dictionary?
Do you suppose that someone who changed his mind about another person who later prove to be destructive, that the person is inconsistent or he is contradictive?

I don't get what you are saying grin

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Christianity Etc › Re: Religious People Are The Most Evil People On Earth by paxonel(m): 9:08pm On Mar 30, 2025

Omoawoke:
Bible and scientific correlations
Heheheh

When I say you people are narrow minded and have low IQ , it would look like an insult but it’s fact.

First: I can write a whole text book from the inconsistencies and contradictions in the Bible

Second: Bible stories lack scientific correlations, it’s completely absurd to relate Bible to science…
The Bible hasn’t even passed common sense, simple logic not to talk of science

it's not enough talking.
Prove what you have said by mentioning one or two contradictory verses in the bible that's how you can validate your opinion and prove that you have read bible before

And I never said I’m an atheist…
I’m human with an open mind

Well, if your mind is truly open, you will do the needful by quoting just one contradictory passage in the bible.
If you cannot bring one, then certainly there is nothing contradictory in the bible

Christianity Etc › Re: Religious People Are The Most Evil People On Earth by paxonel(m): 6:29pm On Mar 30, 2025

Omoawoke:
You want to argue this? That yhe bible is not contradictory??

It's an open question and serious challenge to atheists worldwide
Lucifyre is confused and doesn't know what to do about the challenge grin

Present your argument let's see what reasonable explanation you can put foward as to why you are an atheist.
Show me just one verse in the bible that is contradictory or cannot be scientifically proven

Christianity Etc › Re: Religious People Are The Most Evil People On Earth by paxonel(m): 9:03pm On Mar 29, 2025

Lucifyre:
😅 So you couldn't counter any points so you had to go on a weak strawman, typical. It's no surprise then, when the OP pointed out you guys typically have low IQs. So a religion i was practically born into, indoctrinated with and spent 90% of my life following, you then try to insinuate i never read the contradictory and inconsistent texts?! Quite laughable. Not only am i 100% sure i have read it more than you, i have studied it with more resources and the context around it way more than you. So your weak attempt of a strawman to discredit falls flat on it's face like your counter argument you couldn't even make.

So, what is the exact text of the bible that is contradictory and inconsistent?

Christianity Etc › Re: Religious People Are The Most Evil People On Earth by paxonel(m): 2:28pm On Mar 29, 2025

Omoawoke:
Answer this question sincerely, how did the Bible describe end time in Revelations?

end of the old covenant to pave way for a new covenant

So a book of the vision of the end times was mentioning scrolls, trumpets, chariots, dragons….

these mentions have their literal meaning which are real life situations that have extended even till today

Obviously it was written by cave men who only saw their own times… they were narrow minded and myopic

yet what they wrote are exactly the things we see today?

C'mon man, where are you?

But of course, you must defend it… it’s your religion and that’s the purpose of religion,

may be you should take time and read it for yourself or you don't say anything categorically about it since you have never read the book before.
That alone can make you a sincere atheist

Christianity Etc › Re: Religious People Are The Most Evil People On Earth by paxonel(m): 1:53pm On Mar 29, 2025

Lucifyre:
Examples of what?! Im saying there's no correct or incorrect as anything obviously goes.

So, how did you manage to arrive at this conclusion, have you read the bible before in your entire life?

If you have not read the bible before then there is nothing you can say categorically about it

Christianity Etc › Re: Religious People Are The Most Evil People On Earth by paxonel(m): 10:21pm On Mar 28, 2025

Lucifyre:
Lol! Misconceptions?! Please. This is just typical black inferiority complex. Who said their lives are better due to religion

Atleast religion is not causing misconceptions anymore in their societies unlike Africa.

much less correct or incorrect teachings of doctrines when there is zero objectivity in the book

For the purpose of being practical here, can you please mention one with reference ?

Christianity Etc › Re: Religious People Are The Most Evil People On Earth by paxonel(m): 10:13pm On Mar 28, 2025

Omoawoke:
Must we hold Bible?

These holy books have outlived their purpose.

No!

There is valid sense in the bible is very useful to our current day reality of which religious people are not even aware of it because of their ignorance. Hence you see them behave the way they do

In a world of Ai,

AI cannot probe anyone's mind, dead or alive

who’s talking of scrolls, Chariots, slaves obey your master

imagine you reading bible or any history book and you didn't see these things but all you see is AI, will you not say the book is unrealistic?

first fruit

it is scam!
It is not biblical,

burn witches,

primitive ancient culture which was considered a norm at that time

donkeys…

means of transportation

Those books were written by cave men

True

and are for cave men

wrong deductive reasoning

… it’s totally irrelevant and we can do without them

well, you can speak for yourself but not for everyone

China, Japan, Korea have never used them and they are don’t excellently well

doing excellently well is not a function of religion

Christianity Etc › Re: Religious People Are The Most Evil People On Earth by paxonel(m): 9:20pm On Mar 28, 2025

Lucifyre:
Stereotypes are not always true but stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason. Being religious is synonymous with being a blatant hypocrite. Got quite a gift for spouting outright lies as well. Then again like you rightly said they're modeled after their bible.

THEY ARE MODELLED AFTER MISCONCEPTIONS OF THE BIBLE THAT HAD LASTED FROM THE MEDIEVAL ERA TILL THIS MOMENT.
AFRICA ONLY RECEIVED OUR CURRENT DOCTRINES FROM UNEDUCATED STREET OFFENDERS OF ANCIENT LONDON AND OTHER ANCIENT EUROPEAN CITIES WHO WERE SENTENCED TO AFRICA TO COME AND DO MISSIONARY WORK. AND WE STILL DOGMATICALLY MAINTAIN THESE DOCTRINES IN ALL OUR CHURCHES TILL THIS MOMENT.

MEANWHILE TODAY, EUROPE HAVE REVIEWED THEIR TEACHINGS IN THEIR CHURCHES BASED ON LOGICAL CONCEPTION OF SCRIPTURES WHICH ARE CURRENTLY REGULATED BY AUTHORITIES AND THEIR LIVES ARE FAR MORE BETTER NOW

Christianity Etc › Re: Can A Christian Lose Their Salvation? by paxonel(m): 2:53am On Mar 24, 2025*

gard9ner:
Some believe that once saved, always saved,

This statement is very true. A child brought up as a Christian cannot change his or her beliefs. It is very rare to see people changing their affiliation of Faiths.
This is how God design salvation, so that we will live forever with Christ

while others argue that a believer can fall away.

ignorant argument !

Yes, it is true that a believer can fall away. But I can tell they don't know how it happens. Yet they will argue blindly

Hebrews 6:4-6 warns about those who “were once enlightened” but later fall away

it takes a while, so many years of brainwashing for someone to later believe otherwise about their faith.
These things don't happen spontaneously except the person involved does not have a human mind

Yet, John 10:28 says no one can snatch believers from Christ’s hand.

This is the truth.
Someone who is serious with Christ can never leave him for one Muhammad or Atheism or Bhudaism or whatever

So, is salvation permanent,

Salvation is permanent. It is very rare to see a change of religious affiliation

or can it be lost through sin

Which sin?

Scriptures says we are justified by our faith, not by our sin or not sinning

and unbelief?

unbelief don't just happen, it takes a while, and it is very rare to occur, though it may occur later.
And when it does, that is when we say the person has lost his salvation

The Bible also speaks of enduring in faith until the end (Matthew 24:13) and warns against backsliding (2 Peter 2:20-22).

This is our ultimate goal, to maintain our faith in Christ till the end. That is, till we die

Some say these verses refer to those who were never truly saved

what is the correlation?

while others argue they prove a believer can turn away and forfeit salvation.

ofcourse it is possible

If salvation is eternal, why do scriptures warn about falling away?

salvation is eternal. Whoever want to accept Christ must believe to eternity.
Anyone who chooses to disbelief does not affect the next person who want to believe eternally.

Today we have billions of Christians worldwide. They are all living eternally

But if it can be lost, does that mean salvation depends on human effort? What do you think?

the only effort is not to loose your mind at any point in time, is that too hard to do?

So, it can never be hard for those who were brought up from childhood by their parents such that, it defines who they are

Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Abel Damina & The Bible by paxonel(m): 8:54pm On Mar 23, 2025

FarmTech:
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There are many heavenly places. The 1st heaven is what we see. There is second, 3rd etc heavens.Fallen angels occupy a lower heaven while God is in the highest. I've 4gotten how a MOG said it

a MOG??

Ok, which of the heavens did Jesus referred to as God's kingdom in his parables

Christianity Etc › Re: Describe Earth Life To An Unborn Soul by paxonel(m): 6:52am On Mar 22, 2025

DeepSight:
In a few short paragraphs, or otherwise as briefly as you may - can you describe Earthlife to a soul who is yet to be born. Describe the world as you see it - and life on Earth as you perceive it, generally giving the best advise you can to such a soul - on the assumption that such a soul knows nothing whatsoever about Earth or life in this world.

PS: Atheistic strict materialists, back off - this thread is not intended for disputations as to whether souls exist at all.

Many thanks

Dear unborn child,
Life on earth is simply imagination of the mind.
All we see are God's imagination, all in his mind.
So, your imagination should follow suit.
Your imagination should be love for God, Love for the creation which includes your neighbour and yourself

Christianity Etc › Re: Did The Father Give Jesus Only Some People? Why Was Jesus Using Parables? by paxonel(m): 7:51pm On Mar 16, 2025

Antichristian2:
Be sincere how many times have you or anyone in your family been forced to accept Islam?

it's not me and my family.

As a matter of fact there are good Muslims in southern Nigeria were i live. So, there is no such thing as Muslims forcing people.

The lies that men lie live well after them!

how about boko haram and ISIS in the north ?

How about Usman Dan fodio?
You have heard of the history, how he made conquest of several villages and imposed Islam in time past ?

What is the lie there?

Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Abel Damina & The Bible by paxonel(m): 6:30am On Mar 16, 2025

FarmTech:
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What about other points? As for this one u raised, fact is that God can choose to be anywhere - known or unknown. But the bible let us know that He lives in heaven and judge from heaven.

So where is heaven?

How is heaven different from the HEAVENS?
What is the clouds and what is the heavens ?

Christianity Etc › Re: Did The Father Give Jesus Only Some People? Why Was Jesus Using Parables? by paxonel(m): 3:53pm On Mar 15, 2025

It's not force to accept Jesus now.
Unlike Muslims who force people to accept their Muhammad

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Christianity Etc › Re: Church Is Not The Building. It's The People! (photos) by paxonel(m): 8:27am On Mar 09, 2025

The GO's are making use of the distorted psychology of the people to exploit them

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Best Religion In The World? by paxonel(m): 7:04am On Mar 08, 2025

maman11:
I have question what the best religion in the world. I am from india I want to know about this.

#Thanks.

Your question is like asking, what is the best mind in the world, or what person on earth or set of people with the best minds in the world

My dear, no answer to your question!
Because you cannot probe the mind of anyone

Christianity Etc › Re: Can Someone Honestly Answer This Question? by paxonel(m): 5:42am On Mar 07, 2025

Everyday247:
What book?

Google it.
The best selling book in the whole world with an estimated 5 to 7 billion copies sold.

No book that is not scientifically verified can attend such such sales

Christianity Etc › Re: Can Someone Honestly Answer This Question? by paxonel(m): 9:54pm On Mar 06, 2025

Everyday247:
How was the first one scientifically verified?

The book is available everywhere, you can get one for yourself

Christianity Etc › Re: Can Someone Honestly Answer This Question? by paxonel(m): 7:55pm On Mar 06, 2025

Lucifyre:
Last i checked i didn't ask for the definition of science, i asked what has been scientifically verified.

OK,

What about this?
The term SCIENTIFICALLY related to the principle of science
Can you still deny that one ?

The point is, SCIENCE is a method of acquiring knowledge and the term SCIENTIFICALLY can be used in relation to methods of acquiring any knowledge including religious knowledge

Christianity Etc › Re: Can Someone Honestly Answer This Question? by paxonel(m): 3:08pm On Mar 06, 2025

Lucifyre:
"Scientifically Verified" - You sure you know the meaning of the words you're using?! Anyways humour me, educate me on what has been scientifically verified, since you have read it and aren't "judging it by its cover".

Good!
.
Do you agree that a definition of the word Science includes below?

Christianity Etc › Re: Can Someone Honestly Answer This Question? by paxonel(m): 3:04pm On Mar 06, 2025

Antwan99:
Bro, you don't know what you just said there.

plesse help me say it properly.
By the way, what do you think since is?

Christianity Etc › Re: Can Someone Honestly Answer This Question? by paxonel(m): 7:48am On Mar 06, 2025

Lucifyre:
Scientifically verified where?! 😄 pls don't make me laugh.

Ofcourse, it is your mouth to laugh, but read the book first before judging it by it cover wink

Christianity Etc › Re: Can Someone Honestly Answer This Question? by paxonel(m): 3:44am On Mar 06, 2025

elefind:
Can someone honestly answer this question?

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Firstky, nothing is evil about any of them.
Secondly, the first picture is scientifically verified, while the second picture is mere a traditional myth

Christianity Etc › Re: 8 Important Impact Of Preachings To Christians by paxonel(m): 5:40am On Mar 02, 2025

Raycelove:
8 important impact of preachings to Christians
8 important reasons for preachings.
1. By believing in Jesus and receiving the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

who says Christians did not believe before you start preaching to them?
If they did not believe how come they are Christians?

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