₦airaland Forum

aswani:
I am happy to discuss GRV but I didn't want to conflate it with Jimmy Agbaje.

I really don't understand how Ndi Yoruba can be considered tribalists when President Tinubu lost Osun and Lagos states. In other states Tinubu won, I am certain he didn't poll more than 65%, I actually remember he won a higher percentage in some Northern states than in his own region, he also had more Northern votes in total than Ndi Yoruba ones.

Are you confusing Ndi Yoruba with Ndigbo by any chance because those were voting their own son over 85%?

I honestly don't think Pa Awo will ever consider that President Tinubu is one of his disciples but that's my personal opinion sha.

Awolowo bloc or not, the fact still stands that Ndi Yoruba are no longer on the outside looking in when it comes to National politics and that would not have happened if they are tribalistic.

Per that WhatsApp group, I thank God no one has been foolish enough to invite me becos dem go hear wen if dem try am.

I say Awo group because Obasanjo was in power as close as 1999-2007 but (some) Yoruba people still claim Yoruba has not been in power. But we know that it’s Awo group that has been sponsoring that rhetorics.

Now they are finally in power and Nigerians have seen that they are just running the country with that Awolowo template of “Yoruba first” while propagating lies and propaganda through the press.

Awolowo used his Tribune Newspaper then to sell lies against every other Nigerian tribe but his own. Tinubu has picked up from where he stopped by buying up the traditional media to dish out lies.

garfield1:
I do not understand you.in terms of VP,oshio will always be considered first.oshio has always been loyal to tinubu long before umahi was deputy gov.so you expect tinubu to choose umahi over him? Umahi has a chance in the sense that he was originally in anpp before joining pdp and supported tinubu butr oshiomhole is ahead....

Aligning with apc is not just individuals coming to APC,your region must start voting them well

Oh! So your party has no plans of addressing the marginalization cry of the southeast abi?

What matters is who is loyal to Tinubu. We are waiting.

garfield1:
Why must you always contradict yourself? You say the truth yet you deny it again.yiu agree the north was divided yet you still raise the irev issue.is this not madness? Before the results were purportedly uploaded in the irev,didn't their agents have their own copies? Why didn't they prove they won? Why are you so deceptively bitter?

The sultan,buhari and emirs are those that truly represent the north and until they speak,you cannot ascribe anything from a nobody to the north.these nobodies have been speaking yet the north always does the opposite yet you say they are relaying the feelings of the north.how? So bode George,joe odumakin,davido,obj etc views represent Yoruba views? Does umahi or ikpeazu views represent Igbo views? Does ayade speak for SS?

The north will always complain but will still follow religion

I asked a question…. When has Sultan ever spoken against a sitting president?

TouchNfollow:
We will hang out anytime am in the country...you are very brilliant.

Oh! Would be my pleasure.

blancsn1:
You also forgot every one said he will come distant third even when all your ipob poll projected him to win. Always add that to your claim for everyone to know how flawed n foolish your reasoning is.

Atiku got 6.9million votes to come second.

Obi got 6.1million votes to come third.

What is distant about that?

Are you sure you know what ‘distant’ means?

garfield1:
Asari left wike since 2019

You will shift the goalpost when things no longer favour your camp, won’t you?

Who else does Wike still have in his camp now?

garfield1:
When you say the north,you amaze me.so you equate the views of view people in the north with no political capital as the views of the north of about 100 mil people? Have you heard the sultan,emirs or buhari speak against tinubu,at least most northerners respect them? Oga,you don't know the north more than me.2023 clearly showed that I know the north more than anyone here.i consistently told you that they will divide votes in the absence of buhari on the ballot and that they don't rate atiku.by 2027,you will accept new realities when it is late
Tinubu didnt just pose as friend of the north sir,he simply did what the love which is religion.the north loves Islam and he flew the ticket to stand a chance.besides,he had made friends across the north for many years long before obi became governor...
The north doesn't care about performance but their interests and tinubu hasn't hurt their interests.most of tinubu's appointments are either SW or north so there is no marginalization here.all this FAAN ,CBN matter are just raised by a few selfish northern people with no capital.

The north didn't vote giants like awo,zik,incumbents like gej or obj,obi stands no chance.if atiku contests,votes will divide and obi will collect.if obi comes alone,same thing

Show me any instance of the Sultan speaking against a sitting president. I’m waiting.

And talking about last election, there’s nobody that didn’t know that in the absence of Buhari, the north will divide their votes. The question is how many of it genuinely went to Tinubu before the IREV was shut down to write results for him?

And when you accuse those criticizing Tinubu for relocating CBN of lacking political capital and speaking of their selfish interest alone, it’s like saying Ohaneze is speaking of their own interest and has no political capital.

My point is, while you might think those that are speaking have no political capital, they are simply relaying the feelings the generality of the northern people about a particular issue. That’s why they are called opinion molders.

benuejosh:
It is not worth it and he knows.

Any ticket you see Peter Obi it, it will fail even before the election starts.

Yeah! Like you lots said Obi will not win a single local government in the last election abi?

Ofunaofu:
I laughed out loud whenever I came across these kinds of comments on Nairaland. 

I always ask, How did Obi rig the election in the south-east?

This is someone without a single councilor from his party, LP.

Are you saying that the governors of the APC, PDP, and APGA, whose parties were front-runners in the presidential election, abandoned their party candidates to rig for Peter Obi?

You don’t even know where my own laughter usually comes from….

I always ask myself, “see what they are saying when people like Uzodimma and Umahi had to conjure figures in their states for Tinubu, what would they have said had Obi’s votes truly counted which would have been like 99.9% of votes cast in the Southeast?”

Those guys don’t know how we roll.

Who would have voted for instead? Atiku or Tinubu? As how?

garfield1:
I have always supported otti,I quarrelled with Fergie in 2019 because of otti.i have always wanted pdp out of abia and otti was the man to do that.
I don't like edeoga but I wanted him to win to edge out pdp but MBA isn't doing badly and may defect..
Wike,akpabio or any defector can't be president or vice in APC as far as tinubu is there.it will always be core APC people being considered first.again,the SS will always be considered nationally first in the scheme of things before SE,you know this.its not about umahi or betrayal,it is how it is.besides,the SS are gradually aligning with apc yearly while se keeps rejecting APC so nothing for you guys.

Awesome to see you admit it.

The implication of this is that Umahi should not expect anything from APC in 2031, and that the rhetoric of “Igbos should align with APC if they want the presidency” has been all deception abi?

Lol! I’m not even surprised. I only pity slaves like Umahi. It’s not like doesn’t know he might end up getting used and dumped, no, he knows, but like those before him, he’s thinking his own case will be different but it won’t.

aswani:
Ndi Anioma (thanks for the correction of my phones auto-correction) are west of the Niger and are currently located in delta state in the South South. I believe they were also in the Mid Western region (then Bendel state) rather than the Eastern region. I am also very aware they are not considered "core Igbos" as a result, that is why I identified them separately.

I am only taking about Jimmy Agbaje, set aside GRV and 2023 for now.

Ndi Yoruba voted Peter Obi over President Tinubu in Lagos state, yet you are here talking about their tribalism.

Jimmy Agbaje shot his shot and failed. You cannot run a divisive campaign in Lagos state and win. There are too many Lagosians of different ancestry that will shut you down and they did.

Even President Tinubu that you people claim owns Lagos dare not do it never mind Jimmy Agbaje. You want to tell a Lagosian Ekiti girl that has knelt down to greet the mother of her Lagosian Igbusa friend that she has known from birth that she is evil, àbi.

Per the Awolowo thing which is an excellent point, the only reason Ndi Yoruba are doing so well now in National politics and have done since Abiola is they all learnt from Awo's mistakes. Something for Ndigbo politicians to think about as well avd learn from Peter Obi's mistakes.

You can’t ask me to leave anything out. Your attitude during each election cycle needs to be considered holistically so that we can be able to extract the pattern that you all have always followed in each election cycle. Or maybe I shouldn’t be generalizing it for all Yorubas because I know that rubbish is usually carried out by a selected few coordinated in one WhatsApp group.

And about your claim of ‘Yorubas doing well in national politics’, need I remind you that you the Awolowo bloc only succeeded in 2015 when they aligned with Buhari (something that might change in 2027 by the way). Before then, you have been in opposition since 1960. Unfortunately, now you finally have the chance, you are showing the rest of Nigerians that you lots have been the architects of tribalism in Nigeria with your tribalistic utterances and lopsided appointments.

I hope that takes Tinubu far.

The rumour of the likely coming together of Peter Obi and Nasir Elrufai under one ticket to contest the 2027 presidential election has been flying around since yesterday and, as expected, has caused apprehension in the camp of supporters of Aso Rock occupiers because they know such a ticket would be the dealbreaker.

Now, because of this apprehension, some people have constituted themselves into the mouthpiece and spokespersons of Elrufai. So, I was not surprised to read some rhetorics like, “Elrufai will never align with Obi”, “Elrufai is too big to be Vice to Obi”[/b], and other silly comments.

But we know the Elrufais - both the senior Elrufai and his sons. We know how erratic they can be. We know how quickly they respond to issues or anything that concerns them or their family. We saw it when Bello quickly fired back at Uba Sani after he accused his father of leaving Kaduna in debt.

But with this rumour they’ve been uncharacteristically quiet. Why? It’s nearly 24hrs that the rumor has been going on and neither the father nor the children has said a word.

Could it be that while self-appointed Elrufai spokespersons are online talking trash, that the man is truly seeking an alliance with Peter Obi having seen how far the Obi went in the last election that it took the shutting down of IREV to stop him?

garfield1:
There is nothing that will shift that phobia in the next four years sir.the north will never consider a Christian above a muslim. aligning with kwankwaso or El rufai is useless,didn't kwankwaso already mentioned this?
If you add kwankwaso votes to El rufai last year,it still fell short so them pairing is a waste until obi flies a Muslim Muslim ticket or under apc
Tinubu is in absolute control of the polity,I don't know where you are seeing your imaginary discontent.if the north wanted to deal with him,that was last year not now that he's in power.tinubu has everything under control.ofcourse you won't see this till it is too late as usual.obi will never rule Nigeria except maybe a strong Yoruba candidate emerges or he picks APC ticket.the calculations are very simple.

I like the fact that you didn’t deny that Tinubu is banking on Igbophobia to win re-election which is why you lots are doing anything possible to fuel the phobia but una go fail las las.

Meanwhile, why would the north have dealt with Tinubu in last election when he has always posed as ‘friend of the north’ especially since he supported Buhari to power? But now Tinubu has gotten into power and the north has seen that he simply has been pretending all this while just to get to power.

The north feels used!

They feel deceived with Muslim Muslim ticket.

They’ve seen Tinubu’s lopsided appointments which has favoured mostly his Lagos boys.

They’ve seen Tinubu’s policies which they have mostly considered anti-North. Like relocating some department of CBN and FAAN to Lagos and others.

Nothing Tinubu has done since he was sworn shows he has the interest of the north at heart.

Add the fact that his subsidy removal policy and the haphazard unification of exchange rate seems to have dealt the greatest blow to northern Talakawas which has reduced them to mass looters.

And you they are happy with Tinubu?

You don’t really rate the north.

aswani:
I disagreed with the name calling of Jimmy Agbaje, however he brought it up on himself by going out of his way to seek Ndigbo votes in Lagos State and making absurd promises, some that bordered on abomination, when he should have sought to appeal to all voters.

Jimmy Agbaje rán on a very divisive platform and shame on him.

Lagos is full of Ndi Everywhere, I myself know non Ńdi Yoruba like Tàpá, Benin, Itsekiri, Urhobo, Hausa, Afemai and Aniocha to name but a few people that are born and bred Lagosians. Why didn't Jimmy Agbaje go and talk to them like he did Ndigbo Lagosians?

Another one, like Obidients did for Peter Obi, who destroyed what could have been a decent political career on the altar of dirty tribalism.

You would always come up with silly excuses for your tribalism, won’t you?

But just a point of correction, Aniocha (I know you meant to say Anioma) is not different from Igbos. They are Igbos.

Now that’s settled, nobody insulted the Yorubas nor their custom in 2023. You lots just played the kind of politics handed down by Awolowo which is tribalism and all of its corollary.

GRV did not go out of his way seeking Igbo voters. He never made any anti-Yoruba comment. You people simply unearthed his previous tweets and attached meanings to them and used it for your agenda.

If elections hold one million times, you people will use same template even if it’s an Imam that is the candidate standing against Tinubu’s candidate. You are simply helplessly drenched in it.

garfield1:
I mentioned it to by mistake.dont forget otti was in APC at some point .before otti joined lp,he was already popular in abia.this popularity was the reason why he won easily and couldn't be rigged out like mbah..
Orji is crying because he miscalculated like atiku his godfather.he sided the wrong camp.same as okorocha and onu.they all backed the north or should I say the buhari cabal instead of the tinubu camp.tinubu values loyalty,everybody that supported him are being rewarded unlike buhari that forgets his supporters.there is no se politician that has backed tinubu that hasn't been rewarded directly or indirectly.deouty speaker kalu is there because he sided tinubu,umahi is there because he sided tinubu.instead of ouk to step down for tinubu he backed lawan and said let the north have power.same thing rochas and onu did.

Otti gained popularity as APGA guber candidate in 2015. He even won the election but got rigged out by Theodore Orji’s rigging machinery. Then he defected to APC before 2019 elections and you people didn’t think he was worth your ticket, did you?

Before Onu, Okorocha, Umahi, etc, there was Jim Nwobodo, and co who aligned with anti-Igbo elements thinking that’s how they will get power. How did they end?

And history keeps repeating itself because the anti-Igbo elements keep finding Igbo useful idiots who they will dangle same carrot they dangled for the idiots that came before them and they keep falling for it without learning from the idiots before them that it never ends well for them.

As things currently stand, it seems Wike is equally eyeing the 2031 vice presidential slot of APC is Umahi is doing. Can Umahi outplay Wike? Because if he’s not able to, then it will end tears like it ended for useful idiots before him.

garfield1:
Deep inside you,you know obi cannot win tinubu.only atiku or kwankwaso can win Tinubu.obi just makes it easier for tinubu.i don't understand how you calculate your own.as the se won't vote tinubu is how the core north and sw won't vote obi

I asked you a question and you left it and started talking about another thing.

You are talking about the core north not voting for Obi because they’ve not seen somebody like Kwankwaso or Elrufai align with him. Let any of those Muslim hardliners team up with Obi and see if the voting pattern of the north won’t change.

Nobody likes Tinubu in the north. His only hope is that Hausa/Fulani will not choose Igbo over him. If anything shifts that Igbophobia in the north and alter their voting pattern, Tinubu is gone because he has no backup anywhere. And that’s why you lots don’t dare breathe in oxygen when northerners sneeze because Tinubu’s destiny is in their hands.

aswani:
And theirin lies the fallacy of your argument. For 8 solid years, the South East abused and insulted the North as part of their campaign of calumny against Bubu.

For the next four years, the South East will abuse and insult The South West, particularly the muslims, as part of the collective gnashing over teeth over a Peter Obi loss.

When elections come, you will now try to romance the same people you abused and insulted to link up with you.

Go and ask Chinedu Gbadebo how Obidients overturned a sure fire electoral victory, that would have piggybacked on Peter Obi defeating President Tinubu, in Lagos State through a collective lack of decorum.

As with Obasanjo, the next Ndigbo President would be disliked in his or her own region and will end up being swept into Aso rock under the APC banner.

This is what I forsee.

Who insulted the Yoruba when they called Jimmy Agbaje Jimmichukwu and went on a campaign of calumny against him?

SmartPolician:
Guy, watch this video and be informed. That investment didn't do much for Anambra State.

Obiano was a terrible governor; he should have sold the shares when they were still high.

Thank you for acknowledging that it was Obiano’s fault.

Because Obi was not being malicious when he made investments he thought would favor Anambra. What if those shares had performed well? Who would have enjoyed it? Obi or Anambra govt?

RisenObinna:
You mean the talkative Soludo that thinks himself higher above every one in Igbo land while he builds white elephant and substandard structures in Anambra?

He's nothing less of the tribalistic Wole Soyinka who has being in hiding all the while the failure Tinubu has been rolling out his anti-people policies but will crawl out of his hypocritical hole once he sees an anti-Igbo news or event to show his foolery and hypocritical self.

I can’t wait to see Ndi Anambra reply Soludo’s letter in the next Anambra guber election.

ogbonti:
Elections do really have consequences -- 18 months ago - El Rufai will spit on anyone proposing that he be a vice to Obi in 2027 - now they see that even with OBI being rigged out from (Benue and Rivers and probably more states like Akwa Ibom, Lagos and others) that OBI has 6+ million votes out there and Obi's voters are not going anywhere- they will all still vote for him IF 2027 elections were held tomorrow UNLIKE the "ebin pawa" crew who are gnashing their teeth in regrets for voting bala blu, blu blu lu, bulaba"- yet his numbers were inflated by Mahmoud turning off the IREV

I like Datti Baba Ahmed - but he is not firebrand enough - He is almost like Obi; quiet and unassuming, and in politics - 2 running mates should have different personality traits to spice of the campaign. I would have preferred a Kwankwaso teeming up with Obi - BUT it seems he has "SOLD HIS SOUL TO THE DEVIL" payed off to go mute and that is not a person to be trusted!!!

You have a great point.

The Elrufai we know would have refuted the rumour of aligning with Obi as VP or one of his irritant children would have done it but they’ve been uncharacteristically quiet. This only means that there might be some iota of truth in the rumor.

Like some people have said, Obi won the last election with Datti. So, there’s nothing wrong with Datti except that the northern establishment don’t trust Datti enough to represent the interest of the north enough in an Obi government. That’s why they are suggesting Elrufai to Obi but I don’t think it will work.

And Kwankwaso? Would have been Vice President now with Obi as President but bigotry wouldn’t let him. He can go to hell. Besides, the ijiot seems to be a Tinubu lackey.

Fvck around and find out.

The Okpo thought he could mess with Otti because he’s meek.

I advise Otti to make sure that any ijiot still loyal to the old order gets booted out.

garfield1:
The north will never change their stance towards their religion or the the SE esp one under a mushroom party.umahi or otti under APC will have more chance at presidency than obi sir.

So you lots are salivating at the possibility of having Otti in APC abi?

I’m not gonna doubt that Otti might defect because we never know humans but the day he does that is the day he will kill the goodwill he enjoys in Abia. It might not stop him from winning re-election but the people would no longer care about him.

As for Umahi, I do pray he doesn’t cry like Orji Uzor Kalu, Okorocha and Ogbonnaya Onu cried after decades of slaving for the north thinking that’s how to get power.

garfield1:
A serious northern politician has eyes on 2031 not 2027.anyobe contesting in 2027 is trying his luck and building their support base

Now, tell me why you think El Rufai would be playing with a chance to contest the 2031 presidential election as a seating Vice President.

garfield1:
El rufai is also testing the waters ahead of 2031 and he is unfortunately using obi as a specimen

Lol! So this mere rumour now means El Rufai is using Obi as specimen?

Nothing wey pain no fit cause

garfield1:
Oga,nothing obi will do in the north that will be compared to what gej did for them.
Nobody closed their eyes to rigging up north sir.obi is a persona non grata in the north compared to tinubu.the north will always consider a Yoruba first,ss second and se last.you know this yet you are still deceiving yourself

That it has been like that in the past doesn’t mean it will always be like that.

There’s always a first time.

And if we go by your argument, then you people are deceiving Umahi by giving him hope that he would succeed Shettima or Ribadu since you know the north will never vote for an Igbo man.

Judgementa1:
And u believe north will allow obi another 8yrs after tinubu.

That will be decided on the negotiation table. It’s none of your headache

garfield1:
Kwankwaso did not struggle to win Kano sir.he won tinubu by 450k votes and atiku by 900k.he swept the nass polls.he came third in all new states outside kaduna.
In 2015, kwankwaso helped buhari to get 2 mil and won Kano for ganduje and he almost won ganduje in 2019.

Read my post and understand me well….

I didn’t say he struggled in the last election, I’m talking about his 2019 attempt at installing Abba Gida Gida which failed.

And until last year, he has never contested in a national election.

So there’s nothing different between the El Rufai of today and the pre-2023 general election Kwankwaso.

Even a baby knows that the core northern and Muslim voters will react differently to an Obi/El-Rufai ticket than they did in 2023.

Only Kwankwaso has a bigger pull, but El Rufai is not distant behind.

Judgementa1:
You do not have evidence with what u just said.

And if labour fail to win Edo state which is one of their stronghold then it game over.

How many governors did Labour Party have when Obi won 12 states in 2023?

garfield1:
You still don't understand nigerians.no matter tinubu performance,a lot of people have biases against obi.the north will never choose obi against tinubu.no southerner has ever gotten votes in core north except those with mm ticket.the imams will still not preach for obi
On election day,tinubu will bring out money and a lot will still vote him.the who is who in Nigeria are all friendly with Tinubu

That’s why Obi is in the north.

Between now and 2027, he shall have considerably cleared some of the fallacies tagged on his person and lowered the defenses of some powerbrokers in the core north.

One of the reasons they closed their eyes and allowed Tinubu rig his way to power was because Obi wanted to get to power without them and that would have meant they wouldn’t have any control over him or extract any commitment from him.

Those things will change in 2027.

garfield1:
Orr.el rufai is a great enemy to the northern christians.starting from southern kaduna,he will lose scandalously

We are just testing the waters.

We will come out with what’s best for us and Nigeria when the time is right.

Kusu12:
Which managerial and administrative skill? Stop over hyping a serial party defector and a man who performed woefully in Anambra State for 8years. It's only deluded obirodents over hyping their fake messiah.
See comments and remarks from residents and indigenes of Anambra State about your fake messiah wasted and disastrous 8years as Anambra State governor for 8years
https://www.nairaland.com/870945/what-exactly-peter-obi-doing

Do you have anything else apart from this manufactured link?

Don’t tell me that’s the only thing you have on Obi.