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Politics › Re: 2027: Which Southern States Can Atiku Win? by Penguin2(op): 6:00pm On Aug 30
seunmsg:
Obi will not win Kano, Plateau and Benue. Nasarawa is 50/50 while I concede FCT to him.

Taraba is now an APC state so it will be a straight fight between Tinubu and Atiku. With the governor and TY Danjuma now backing APC and with most Northern Christians now supporting Mr. President, Tinubu should win Taraba with Atiku coming second. Whatever votes are left won’t be up to 25% for Obi.

Adamawa is Atiku’s home. He will win easily with Tinubu coming second. Tinubu will ride on the party structure and state governor to get 25%. Binani under NDC is not Binani under APC. She can’t deliver 25% to Peter Obi because she’s even backing Atiku for president. She’s in NDC for her own ambition and not Obi’s ambition. Tinubu saw her treacherous behavior in 2023 and that’s why she got no appointment despite her solid performance in the governorship election. Binani is an Atiku girl.


Obi will not get 5% in Zamfara so no need to waste time on that state. Kogi is also APC state. The only opposition in the state is Senator Natasha and she belongs to Wike’s rainbow coalition. Obi won’t get 15% in the state.

Peter Obi did well in Southern Kaduna in 2023. Sadly, he has lost that region to Tinubu. The people of southern Kaduna are Tinubu’s biggest supporters in the north right now. Tinubu will clear that region. Obi won’t get 10% in Kaduna in 2027.

Jigawa is not even in play so no point wasting time dreaming of Obi getting 25%. Kwakwanso himself couldn’t get 25% in the state when he contested for President, is it now Obi that will get 25% there? lol.
I appreciate that you are having a constructive conversation for the first time since forever.

In Adamawa, Tinubu came second with 187k votes even with Binani’s popularity. He has now lost Binani, who would influence the votes? Nuhu Ribadu? And saying Binani will support Atiku is a wild because she knows ADC has governorship candidate. So, if Atiku wins, will he leave ADC candidate to support her?

In Southern Kaduna… there’s no denying the fact that they have fared better under Tinubu than was the situation in 2023 especially with the appointment of Chris Musa and improved security in the region. Whether that will make them support APC is something we will find out in 2027. But we know their historical voting pattern.

And then just to ask you, you really don’t think the hardship Nigerians are suffering will alter the voting sentiments of a lot of the people that voted Tinubu in 2023? Or that is immaterial?
Politics › Re: 2027: Which Southern States Can Atiku Win? by Penguin2(op): 5:43pm On Aug 30
Akpakomiza2:
Obi actually had boots on ground. Babachir Lawal was stoutly supporting him. Almost all that 105,000 votes came from Christian dominated areas. Binani is a supremacist, she was in APC 2023 yet supported Atiku. Be rest assured that she won't work for obi. Besides, those Muslim votes will mostly go Atiku.
Obi at the height of his popularity couldn't win Benue sir. Governor ortom and over 50% of PDP in Benue supported him yet he still lost. Now, ortom And his followers and even suswan are supporting Tinubu so no chance for obi to win. By now, you should know that Benue votes aren't influenced by insecurity. Besides, insecurity and herdsmen activities have reduced compared to Buhari era. Again, the Muslim- Muslim fear is also gone...

Taraba is Christian dominated. Obi had a chance to win but still lost which means the christians of North East vote differently from those of the north central. Taraba is usually won by the ruling party just like Bayelsa and Akwa ibom. Sani Musa is a Fulani like Binani, he is only interested in his elections. In 2023, he contested under nnpp and couldn't get votes for his fellow Fulani kwankwaso. Obi is on his own. With Taraba governor and the political structure in APC, I think Tinubu will likely win. If obi had people like Danlami ikenya, Sabo kente, Emmanuel bwacha etc, it would have been better.

Kwankwaso as a contestant couldn't get 25% in jigawa, what would he do for Obi? Marafa is working for himself. Zamfara is very conservative, obi has no chance here.
First, why would Binani support Atiku? Does ADC not have a governorship candidate in Adamawa? Will Atiku support Binani over ADC candidate if he wins? The answer is no. So, Binani knows that her destiny is tied to Obi’s victory in the presidential election. Similarly there are other NDC candidates seeking other elective positions. These people know that Obi has to win for them to win.

In Taraba, I can tell you Obi won but results were changed for Atiku. But with strong NDC candidates Obi’s votes will be protected.

You need to understand that votes were massively manipulated in 2023 because parties believed INEC would transmit votes but that will no longer happen in 2027.
Politics › Re: 2027: Which Southern States Can Atiku Win? by Penguin2(op): 5:32pm On Aug 30
Sheuns:
Atiku will get 25% in Lagos, Osun and Rivers to say the least.
He didn’t get 25% of votes in Lagos 2023, what will give it to him now?
Politics › Foreign Trip: Is Tinubu Going To Seek Help On His Drug Case? by Penguin2(op): 5:24pm On Aug 30
Amid Growing #Heroin Allegations, Tinubu Runs to His Friends in #Europe

A long-held view across #Africa, the Middle East, and South America is that Western powers install or protect puppet leaders to control countries and their resources. Many Nigerians now believe President Bola Tinubu (@OfficialABAT) is such a #puppet and that the hidden records concerning alleged heroin trafficking are the strings.

We may never know whether President Bola #Tinubu has ever traded Nigerian secrets or resources in exchange for protection, but many Nigerians see the past @JoeBiden DOJ’s efforts to keep these records hidden as further proof that Western powers are protecting President Tinubu. Whether that belief is right or wrong, the secrecy is feeding it.

The longer the records remain hidden, the stronger the belief becomes that foreign powers have something they can hold over #Nigeria’s president. This mistrust will remain regardless of the outcome of the @FBI and @DEAHQ FOIA case. This is why Western powers must ensure that Nigeria’s upcoming presidential election is #free and #fair. Anything else heightens the risk of Nigeria going the way of Burkina Faso, Mali, and Niger.
https://x.com/batten_von/status/2094065012079829302?s=46


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Politics › Re: 2027: Which Southern States Can Atiku Win? by Penguin2(op): 9:02am On Aug 30
donphilopus:
Tinubu won 9 out of the 21 APC-governed states in 2023. If he's able to win 4 out of the extra 10 now, that'd be about 13 states. Now add Osun to his number of states, that'd be 14. In a three-horse race, 14 states should get him re-elected. True or false?
The question is can he retain all the 9 states he won in 2023?

Can he win Zamfara again?

Can he win Jigawa and Kebbi and Gombe?
Politics › Re: Yari Meets Seyi Tinubu, Plots Youth Mobilisation Strategy by Penguin2: 8:50am On Aug 30
They have resources to waste. Let them bring it on.

Where is City Boy Movement today?

Where are the ijiots that were fuuling around in the Southeast?

Did we not tell you all that they were wasting their time?

Tinubu will come a distant third in 2027.
Politics › Re: FBI Submits A 399-Page Document On Tinubu To Court - Von Batten-Montague by Penguin2(op): 7:20am On Aug 30
moscow007:
I pray this is true.

If Nigerian votes for the cretin again, that means we are all thieves and druggies
Well, unfortunately those supporting him will still support him even if there’s cocaine powder on his nose.

What releasing the files will do is that it can either get Tinubu disqualified through the courts or stakeholders will abandon him as they won’t want be seen by the international community as supporting a drug baron.

Fingers crossed
Politics › FBI Submits A 399-Page Document On Tinubu To Court - Von Batten-Montague by Penguin2(op): 6:50am On Aug 30
Von Batten-Montague-York, L.C.

Update: Last night, the @FBI and @DEAHQ presented the court with new filings concerning the alleged heroin-trafficking records involving President Bola Tinubu (@officialABAT). What is shocking is that we learned the FBI’s Tinubu-responsive search produced 399 pages of documents related to #Nigerian President Bola #Tinubu.

Within those records are materials tied to a drug-trafficking investigation involving #heroin-residue laboratory testing, controlled drug purchases by a cooperating witness, confidential informants, federal grand-jury activity, prosecutorial reports and meetings, surveillance, undercover operations, financial seizures, bank-account seizure warrants, IRS criminal-investigation material, and international investigative coordination.

President Bola #Tinubu's lies are falling apart; this case was never about a civil forfeiture case. The long speculation about whether serious law-enforcement records concerning President Tinubu exist is over. They do exist. The question now is simple: What is contained in those 399 pages that President Tinubu does not want the American and Nigerian people to see?

This is Dr. Von Batten. When my amazing team told me that there were 399 pages of @FBI and @DEAHQ documents linked to Nigeria's President Tinubu (@OfficialABAT), I thought I had heard wrong. 399 pages is a book. What was President Bola #Tinubu’s connection to the reported heroin-trafficking organization to warrant 399 pages of responsive FBI records?

I want to thank President @realDonaldTrump and the entire administration for being this transparent, unlike the @JoeBiden administration, which refused to even admit that it had files on Tinubu. The #Trump #DOJ has shown that it takes Tinubu’s claims that his life will be in danger seriously and is following the law, while at the same time making it known that the records concerning #Tinubu are tied to a serious drug-trafficking investigation.
Source

Politics › Re: 2027: Which Southern States Can Atiku Win? by Penguin2(op): 6:44am On Aug 30
Akpakomiza2:
If obi will win Kano, it will be narrowly. He will win plateau with reduced margins. He won't win benue and nasarawa but will come close. Ofcourse he will win fct.

Obi getting 25% in Adamawa will be hard, Binani is more concerned about Guber and may still work for Atiku. Marafa can't give obi above 15% in Zamfara which is a stretch. Obi is not in contention in kogi and Jigawa. Apart from Kano, obi won't get more votes from any northern state
First, without boot on ground, Peter Obi scored 105k votes in Adamawa in 2023. Do I need to tell you that he scored more than that but the figures were changed against him? So, Obi is already popular, considerably, in Adamawa. All Binani and her team need to do is protect Obi’s votes and help add some few percentage, and you will see Obi getting his 25%.

Then Benue…. If you say Obi won’t win Benue, then who would? Tinubu that has overseen their slaughter since 2023 or Atiku?

Taraba is a Christian State and a traditional PDP voting state. Obi scored 146k votes in 2023. Atiku who won only scored 189k votes. What has happened that would change this? Also, the current NDC candidate gubernatorial candidate was NNPP gubernatorial candidate in 2023 and came second behind Kefas. Add his influence and that numbers goes even higher.

Then about Zamfara and Jigawa, I can’t say for certain but Kwankwasiya has considerable presence in Jigawa, and Marafa seems to be doing some work in Zamfara. You can’t write them off.
Politics › Re: 2027: Which Southern States Can Atiku Win? by Penguin2(op): 6:30am On Aug 30
fergie001:
I can't even say the state he will win in the South but he can 25% in a couple.
We live in a world of data and statistics, nobody makes blanket predictions anymore without putting names and numbers to the prediction.

So, can you state the States where you think Atiku will get 25% and what are the feelers on ground that supports it?
Politics › Re: 2027: Which Southern States Can Atiku Win? by Penguin2(op): 6:17am On Aug 30
AMINDA:
I think you should be more worried about Obi than Atiku. I just told you that only 800k votes out of Atiku's 6.9m votes in 2023 came from the South unlike Tinubu who got 70% of his votes from the North. Atiku won more APC-governed states than he did PDP states. If it's about governors, then it's safe to say that Tinubu has won the elections because APC currently has 31 governors. But we know it's not about governors because Peter Obi had none in 2023 but did reasonably well while Okowa failed to deliver his state as an incumbent and Vice presidential candidate. APC also had 21 governors in 2023, but Tinubu only won 12 states. Only half of those 12 were APC-governed states. Data is stubborn. Like I said, worry more about Obi. Atiku is in good standing, heading into 2027.
Okay, so, Atiku got about 800k votes in 2023 and has now lost about 80% of that number and is also not sure of 25% in any southern state, not even in Rivers where his running mate is from.

What that means is that automatically Atiku is only sure of 25% of votes cast from 19 states of the north. So, even if the north votes for him en masse and helps him win simple majority, he will still fall short of spread.

But then again, can Atiku see 25% of votes cast in Plateau, Benue and Kwara?
Politics › Re: 2027: Which Southern States Can Atiku Win? by Penguin2(op): 6:05am On Aug 30
fergie001:
I always tell you something but you always don't listen.

Peter Obi can only win FCT and/or Nasarawa.
He can never win Kano.

He can't win 25% in any of the 5 States you mentioned.
Lol!

Obi won Plateau, Nasarawa and FCT in 2023, can you point to any change in reality that shows he can’t retain these 3 states in 2027?

Kwankwaso is a god in Kano, and wherever he is that’s where Kano people goes. And I’m not relying on just historical evidence but also a little research into what is going on in Kano will tell you the atmosphere in the state. But just to ask you, if you say Obi can’t win Kano, Then who would?

Then for the rest of the states… Obi won Benue in 2023 but it was rigged for Tinubu. Out of 23 LGA, Obi won 15 and Tinubu only won 8.

In Zamfara, I can see the activities of Kabiru Marafa who is quite popular in the state, and I believe he can influence at least 25% of votes for NDC in the presidential election.


Taraba voted for Obi in 2023 but because of lack of boot on ground to protect votes, results were changed for Atiku. Obi will still see 25% of the state’s votes if it’s protected. Let me also add that the current NDC governorship candidate was NNPP governorship candidate in 2023 and he came second just behind Agbu Kefas.

In Adamawa, Binani went toe to toe with a sitting governor in 2023, and you think she can’t mobilize 25% of votes for her presidential candidate? Add that also that Obi is already popular in the Christian communities of the state.

So, I don’t see any of what I said being unrealistic.
Politics › Re: 2027: Which Southern States Can Atiku Win? by Penguin2(op): 10:50pm On Aug 29
BATified2023:
the same way u should ask yourself which northern state can obi win?
Obi will win:
1) Kano
2) Plateau
3) Benue
4) Nasarawa
5) FCT.

Similarly, Obi will get 25% in:
1) Taraba
2) Adamawa (Binani factor)
3) Zamfara (Marafa factor)
4) Kogi
5) Kaduna (tentative)
6) Jigawa (Kwankwasiya presence but tentative)

Tell me which one is not realistic.
Politics › Re: 2027: Which Southern States Can Atiku Win? by Penguin2(op): 10:42pm On Aug 29
AMINDA:
Presidential elections go beyond winning states. All 3 candidates only won 12 states each in 2023 but Tinubu's margin of victory was only 1.9m (the least ever in the history of this country). 5.6m out of Tinubu’s total 8m votes came from the North. Only 800k votes out of Atiku's 6.9m votes was from the South. It is possible for a candidate to not win a single state and still emerge president. All things being equal, Atiku is set to emerge with the highest number of votes cast on the first ballot and that's the worst case scenario. These are still early days but Atiku is the only opposition with the momentum as at today.
The 3 states Atiku won in the South in 2023 were Osun, Bayelsa and Akwa Ibom.

Now, in Osun, Adeleke has endorsed Tinubu. But supposing Osun indigenes choose to defy Adeleke like it seems they would, I don’t see Atiku being the beneficiary of such defiance. I see Makinde being the beneficiary or even Obi.

In Akwa Ibom, Udom was Atiku’s DG and a sitting governor and wanted to show working and rigged the state for Atiku. Udom is no longer there. The sitting governor is now singing “on your mandate.” How does Atiku hope to garner votes in Akwa Ibom.

In Bayelsa, Diri has defected to APC and the National Leader of NDC is from there. Automatically, Bayelsa is for Obi while Tinubu might garner some fringe votes.

Now, which state is Atiku hoping to see even 25% in Southern Nigeria?
Politics › 2027: Which Southern States Can Atiku Win? by Penguin2(op): 8:24pm On Aug 29
It’s funny when I see Atiku supporters grandstanding.

Because until recently when Atiku came back with the lamba of returning subsidy, he was practically inexistent in national discourse. Even the promise to return subsidy is only resonating with northern populace; core north at that. And I think it’s because northerners are used to freebies so much that they will jump on anything that will bring back freebies.

Even with his little resurgence into media conversations, it changes nothing.

Or can Atiku supporters tell us any southern state that Atiku can win in 2027?

Let’s even reduce it to 25% threshold…. How many states in the South can Atiku score 25% of votes cast?

Or is Atiku hoping to win only with votes from the core north? Because even North Central is a shaky ground for him too.

Politics › Re: Obidient Flag Boy Withdraws Support For Peter Obi, Burns NDC Flag by Penguin2: 7:49pm On Aug 29
We appreciate everybody in the Obidient community. But apart from waving flags, what is Flag Boy’s contribution to the Obidient movement?
Travel › Re: Bolt Cleared To Commence Its Services At Federal Airports - FAAN by Penguin2: 8:39am On Aug 29
Urgent1Million:
This is a good development.
Let's hope they don't harass bolt drivers in the process.
Na the koko be this.

Those airport drivers will gang up against Bolt drivers to the extent that they will be afraid to accept airport rides.

Hopefully FAAN puts modalities to checkmate that.
Politics › Re: 2027: Seriake Dickson Meets Peter Obi, Kwankwaso In Abuja by Penguin2: 11:41am On Aug 28
emkz:
Obi and Kwankwaso have been working in isolation. They rarely appear together exceot during NDC events.

When Obi declared his campaign open, Kwankwaso was not there. When Obi went for photoshoot, Kwankwaso was not there.

Is it that they can't stand each other or Kwankwaso doesn't exactly trust Obi? Is it also that Kwankwaso cant stand those clowning around Peter Obi?

Why did Dickson call for unity?

When will Obi/Kwankwaso inaugurate their campaign council? Who'd be DG? Aisha Yesufu?
How many of Atiku’s photoshoots has Amaechi appeared in?
Politics › Re: 2027: Seriake Dickson Meets Peter Obi, Kwankwaso In Abuja by Penguin2: 11:39am On Aug 28
obiekunie01:
Let me put this here for the records.

TINUBU USED THESE TWO MEN TO FINALLY TRAP OBI.

This is how it was planned and executed.

Before Dickson registered his party, he visited Tinubu and had a lengthy discussion with him. then he setup ADC.

Before Kwankwaso accepted to be VP, he visited Tinubu and had a lengthy discussion with him.


Then Obi was ADC and it was very clear to all the ADC members that Obi has seen thru their scheme to use him and win 2027 election by making him a VP.

Tinubu was hoping that Obi will fall for the trap because that will mean instant victory for Tinubu come 2027. But on noticing that Obi is about to escape, and being the master strategist that he is, he quickly setup another trap using Dickson and Kwankwaso.

The deal is - ACCEPT TO BE HIS VICE, HOLD HIM DOWN SO ICAN SCALE THRU TO WIN 2027 - I WILL HAND OVER TO YOU AS PRESIDENT AND DICKSON AS VICE.

Its a sweet deal that made a lot of sense to dickson and kwankwaso. so they accepted.

UNFORTUNATELY FOR OBI - HE TRUSTED THEM AND JUMPED INTO NDC. THESE TWO MEN WILL MESS UP HIS AMBITION BY NOT MOBILISING ENUGH MEN TO MAN THE PARTY PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. And I think Obi has realised it but it is too late for him to do anything about it. He will just play along and hope Nigerians will vote him so massively to defeat their well planned and well sponsored rigging.


OBI WILL BE SO RIGGED OUT AND TINUBU DECLARED PRESIDENT. THE PARTY WILL NOT CHALLENGE THE DEFEAT IN COURT.

Then comes the main war - TINUBU WILL NOT KEEP TO THE DEAL. He will not handover to them come 2031 - HE WILL AMEND THE CONSTITUTION FOR ONE TERM PRESIENCY OF SEVEN YEARS AND TINUBU HIMSELF WILL BE THE FIRST BENEFICIARY.
So you’re telling me that between serving as Vice President of the Federal Republic of Nigeria from 2027-2031, and staying jobless and idle for 4 years to be handed the presidency in 2031 (not guaranteed), Kwankwaso will choose staying idle for 4 years on top of Tinubu?

Go and treat malaria
Politics › Re: Obi Backs Subsidy Removal, Says Mismanagement Of Proceeds Not Enough To Bring It by Penguin2: 10:48pm On Aug 25
DoTheNeedful:
I don't always agree with you politically, but I admire you for being principled. I also appreciate your intellectual depth on issues, especially on the economy and related matters. Unfortunately, there is a dearth of people like you in our social media space.
Thank you!

Let me take this as a compliment.
Politics › Re: Then And Now: Nigeria’s Economy Under President Tinubu - TheCable by Penguin2: 11:14am On Aug 25
seunmsg:
This is the positive trajectory of our economy that these empty and power by hungry hyenas (Peter Obi and Atiku) want to come and destroy. We shall do everything position to ensure these gains are sustained for the benefit of Nigerians.
There’s literally a thread on front page where Peter disagreed with Atiku on the return of subsidy.

Why are you being mischievous?
Politics › Re: 2027: Why Fuel Subsidy Must Never Be Returned. by Penguin2(op): 8:13am On Aug 25
nairalanda1:
It is being paid to NNPC, and it is being paid to keep them to be able to compete with dangote, as NNPC is still importing fuel, and their fuel would cost more than Dangote fuel without the monies.

It's not the consumption subsidy we were used to

And even then, government still owes NNPC trillions in naira debt. And the payments are a net negative for our economy. Government should leave NNPC alone to do business and to float and swim..and do the hard work.

The fact is, if subsidy had gone in 1992, or even in 2012, none of this nonsense would have happened. NNPC would have been a strong competitive entity by now. But ...cheap fuel.
Exactly! Allow NNPC do business and swim or sink.

If it sinks then let them close shop and go home or hands off the downstream sector.

See, the problem with majority of Nigerians is ignorance. And this is why sometimes it makes sense when some people say that the political class are deliberately sabotaging education so that some section of the populace will remain uneducated and easy to be manipulated and hoodwinked.
Politics › Re: 2027: Why Fuel Subsidy Must Never Be Returned. by Penguin2(op): 8:08am On Aug 25
oneMalik:
the same way una fore-fathers fears reality and abandoned it for path of least resistance .... here you are today fearing same and trying to push it to your unborn children as usual .

mind you , time has past and things has changed ..... no going back on subsidy and ATiku can go to hell .

5-months ain't 5-years to clear y'all doubt .
The point exactly!

We are suffering this today because our fathers kept resisting subsidy removal until they pushed it to us and look at what it caused us.

Now, some narrow-minded folks want us to do the same and push it to our children.

No willingness to sacrifice at all.

And this attitude is also what informs why, for most of us, our lives is the way it is; because we are always looking for the easy way out and for immediate gains instead of making sacrifices today for a quantum leap tomorrow.
Politics › Re: Obi Backs Subsidy Removal, Says Mismanagement Of Proceeds Not Enough To Bring It by Penguin2: 1:41am On Aug 25
AMINDA:
Nigeria is a third world country. You have been sold the cool-aid that all forms of subsidy is a bad thing but you are grossly mistaken. Even the most developed countries in the world have some form of subsidy or the other. Infact, the whole world is subsidising the US economy, hence why they continue to maintain a strong presence in the middle East and why oil prices are sold in dollars (The Nixon-Petrodollar deal with the Saudis). Subsidy have been long removed from diesel, jet fuel and kerosene, did it translate into anything meaningful for the common man? Just because the IMF and Worldbank says it does not mean we should swallow it hook, line and sinker.
It’s not IMF rhetorics.

Do I need IMF to tell me that States were struggling to pay salaries because they were receiving peanuts from Federation Account?

Do I need IMF to remind me how NNPC once went nearly a year without remitting a kobo to federation Account because they were operating at a loss?

Do I need IMF to tell me that FG was spending trillions of naira on subsidy while getting deeper in debt?

You need to understand that some of us don’t operate on that level, and that’s why I support Tinubu’s removal of subsidy even though I hate him till forever and I want him out as early as tomorrow. But my hatred for Tinubu will not stop me from recognizing what is good for the country on the long run.

Subsidy is gone, let’s allow it go and focus rather on proper channeling of the gains.
Politics › Re: Obi Backs Subsidy Removal, Says Mismanagement Of Proceeds Not Enough To Bring It by Penguin2: 8:58pm On Aug 24
AMINDA:
Whoever will return subsidy in 2027 has my vote.

If Obi says no to subsidy, I’ll gladly vote for Atiku.

If BAT returns subsidy, I will vote BAT.

My candidate is SUBSIDY!!!
One of the most heartbreaking things I’ve found out is how easy it is to deceive Nigerians.

Like, Nigerians practically believe anything no matter how absurd.

Every government since Jonathan has been trying to remove subsidy until Tinubu finally did.

Now, a conning old man looking for votes is saying he wants to return it and some people are cheering it.

The question you guys have not answered is for how long does Atiku intend to return the subsidy?

Is the subsidy going to be permanent or after some years another government will remove it again and we will start this suffering all over again?

No reasonable human being with brain in his head will support Atiku in this.
Politics › Re: 2027: Why Fuel Subsidy Must Never Be Returned. by Penguin2(op): 9:20pm On Aug 22
kunleham:
Good write up!
But I'll disagree with you a bit on your assertion that price will reduce when fuel subsidy is returned. This means you don't understand Nigerian market. I bet you that no price will reduce despite subsidy in place.
Take for instance, charges by cab owners operating on CNG, despite the fact that CNG is highly subsidised, no Cab driver will tell you I'm operating on CNG, so Charges to Airport in Abuja for instance from Central Area is N10,000.00, he'll still charge you N20,000.00 or so being charged by those operating on gasoline.
I get your point.

But I think what is happening with CNG users is that they are taking advantage of a bad situation.

So, they use CNG but won’t let you know they do. They will rather pretend to be buying fuel costly as well.

But should fuel price reduction become general, they will have nothing to hide under anymore.

You can’t tell me fuel will be selling at 350, for instance, and transporters will retain their outrageous transport fares.
Politics › Re: Why Atiku’s Subsidy Gambit Rattles Tinubu- Farooq Kperogi by Penguin2: 9:15pm On Aug 22
Hedonisco:
Whatever it takes to get rid of Tinubu MUST be done. Full stop. No stupid pseudo economic explanations can be tolerated. Tinubu must be removed at all cost.
We agree on the fact that Tinubu must go.

The question is, who do you want to replace him with?
Politics › Re: Why Atiku’s Subsidy Gambit Rattles Tinubu- Farooq Kperogi by Penguin2: 9:14pm On Aug 22
nairalanda1:
One thing I have learned about the whole subsidy issue is Nigerians have a 'give us this day our daily bread mentality'

The problem with that mentaility is that it can lead to people asking for tomorrow's bread yesterday, with tragic results.
A very troubling mentality at that. Majority of Nigerians seem to lack the ability to see beyond their noses.

That’s why Tinubu was able to deceive them in 2012 to protest against subsidy removal against Jonathan only to become president in 2023 and removed same subsidy.

Now, they seem ready to let Atiku play with their brains again and it’s just so pathetic.
Politics › Re: 2027: Why Fuel Subsidy Must Never Be Returned. by Penguin2(op): 9:10pm On Aug 22
Kukutente23:
I hope this is not Obi's position you're parroting because if it's so, then it's better you guys stop the circus, close up shop and join the BATISTS train.

You guys have not really shown any mental and political skill to engage a machiavellian maximalist like Tinubu in a bloody nose campaign anyway.

So I'm not surprised you're chickening out at the first shot of political bullet borne of pragmatism. If the thinking of Obi's camp is to back Tinubu's policies and then engage in a wild goose chase of showing Nigerians they'll be better administrator and managers of our resources as if Nigerians will ever trust any politician, then you guys had better sit 2027 out instead of becoming a nuisance opposition helping the ruling party to retain power
So you’re saying that you want subsidy back?

If yes, why and for how long?
Politics › Re: Why Atiku’s Subsidy Gambit Rattles Tinubu- Farooq Kperogi by Penguin2: 9:09pm On Aug 22
WantsandMore:
we're actually in Babylon rn, we need to leave this god-damned place. Atiku is our Cyrus the great. I think he has my vote. It makes for a comparison in the future. We are a growing democracy after all.
We don’t have to do that.

One of the hallmarks of intelligence is being able to predict the outcome of a situation before even getting into it.

We don’t have to vote Atiku just to see if he’s right or wrong.

Then what happens if he is wrong? We come back to this situation we are now?

My point is anywhere wey we don pass, make we just dey go front.
Politics › Re: 2027: Why Fuel Subsidy Must Never Be Returned. by Penguin2(op): 9:05pm On Aug 22
Morizo:
That's your own cup of tea

Fuel subsidy should return. If not for anything but for the fact that this government has borrowed thrice more and living lavishly despite the removal than those that were paying it and our lives were far better

Why are we suffering when there's nothing to show except the political elites living like kings and queens. Lets live the now and survive today first cos there's no better future as far as APC is concerned, it's only going to get worse for others but very good for them and their cronies.

I will vote for Atiku for simply that reason. Every single country in the world subsidises one thing or the other.
I understand that we are all suffering.

My point is that we can’t keep going back and forth with subsidy.

If Atiku wins and returns it and we get that temporary reprieve, what happens when another president comes in and removes it again? We go back to this situation again?
Politics › Re: Why Atiku’s Subsidy Gambit Rattles Tinubu- Farooq Kperogi by Penguin2: 11:08am On Aug 22
Like I said on my post, only shallow people will support the return of subsidy.

Because what you are doing is asking for Aspirin to postpone a pain that will eventually come back.

We don’t have to play stupid opposition politics like Tinubu by deliberately sabotaging what we know is a necessary step for our country.

Don’t return fuel subsidy.

Don’t take us back to Babylon.

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