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Miradamian:
Did Jesus Tithe? Did those in Israel that did not make their living off of the land, ( the butcher , the baker , the candle stick maker and Omar the tent maker ) Tithe?

Yes every one tithed . People tithe of their gain or what they own

Luke 18:12 (MSG)
12 I fast twice a week and tithe on all my income.'

No, they did not. They paid the Temple Tax

Temple tax was only for every male . I didn’t take the place of their tithe

We like to twist actual scriptures out of context and make them relevant for today and use them as a tool/club to control people. The only verse applicable to modern day Christianity is 1st Corinthians 9:7. ( Cheerful Giver ) not cheerful Tither….

Tithe is for the work of God and welfare of full time workers in God’s house .

1 Corinthians 9:13-14 (KJV)
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? 14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

plappville:
And to you, who exactly is the liar that fits in?

Whoever denies christ lordship .

Deprofessional:
Guy, you are irredeemable.

You’re right A man can’t be redeemed twice

Peacefullove:
such omission just proved tithing was not among the tradition's handed down by the apostles . Fine and clear

You’re wrong . It is error to capitalize on the silent areas of the Bible . The silent area mean “maintain the status quo!

The New Testament was silent on the area of incest . Sleeping with your sister or your father etc

You won’t find a New Testament verse . On it . Now . If a man wants to marry his own daughter what will you tell him . Since there is no law according to you ?

The apostles didn’t attempt to write a new bible . Their Bible was the Old Testament . Paul quoted

Show me where Christian's are commanded to PAY TITHE ?

Show me where Christians are Commaded not to marry siblings

Like you are not aware Christian's are no more under the law of Moses, are they?

So you’re free to do homosexuality now ?

hardasan:
If you say christians aren't under the law of Moses, you are saying that the 10 commandements does not apply to christains anymore.

Nice question

Without the law , there would be lawlessness Sin is transgression of the law.

Romans 7:7 (KJV)
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

The only thing done away in the law are what christ has fulfilled but the kingdom principles contained in the law are forever . Not because the law say so but because they are principles

plainbibletruth:
. That a man singled out one out of the different types of tithes does not in itself constitute an error.

It is deceptive and a big error and a lie . Tithes have always been to God right from the days of. Our father Abraham . God still told the Jews to give him his tithe under the law .

Leviticus 27:30
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord.

God addition told the Jews to take anothe 10% to feast with and another 10% to the poor .

Does that take away the tithe to God through the priest ? No . That’s the deception . Daddy freeze now lied that the title to God is meant for drinking beer . He deceptively use the lesser to supplant the greater .And all the greedy nontithers are happy they found a hero it’s amazing. He should

Most tithes advocates work from THEIR CONCLUSIONS to derive their propositions or explanations that lead to their final stance. The OP happens to have done just that in this case.

A MAJOR issue tithe advocates and indeed many Christians fail to see is that the CHURCH is unique. The failure to seek to understand its uniqueness then leads to lumping up of any practice pre-law, law or "eternal principle" as part of the Christian way of life.

You’re wrong . The kingdom of God runs on principles . Principles cut across dispensation . Some before the law others in the law . They are relevant to Christians . For example REUBEN was cursed for sleeping with his fathers wife . Before the law , in the law God Commaded Israel against it . And it’s based on that knowledge that paul asked the christian who slept with the fathers wife to be excommunicated from the church . Because it’s against principles of God . Now the mistakes of antitithers is that they look for silent area of the Bible to hide and excuse their greed . Paul didn’t write the epistles as bible or to complete the Bible . They were letters written to deal with situations . If we had never had such case if the man sleeping with his fathers wife . The New Testament would have been silent on that issue . If if that case never came up . Nairaland Fornicators would jump on that and commit same sin . After all we are not under the law

How come tithers ignore the FACT that the book of Acts and the epistles that cover not just 1, 5, 8 or 10 years of church life NEVER gave us ANYTHING about tithing in the Church?

They had the Bible . If there was any problem with tithe or offering they would have said it .If the church was silent about it it means to maintain status quo.

How come modern day tithe advocates TOTALLY IGNORE how the early Church GAVE and ADMINISTERED proceeds of giving by believers?

There are different kinds of giving . We must do all . Selling land and property and giving all cannot be compared the verse below

1 Corinthians 16:1 (KJV)
Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.
2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

There about 7-9 different kinds of giving in Gods kingdom. We must do all . One does not supplant the other .

ScepticalPyrrho:
none of your quotes shows that tithe were money, rather they strengthen my argument

Be decent enough to acknowledge where you missed as scripture is presented to you not being evasive and jumping into a new topic. You question was not about tithes being money .

Tithe could be money and produce. Farmers have the option of giving money value . It’s called redemption .

Leviticus 27:31
31 And if a man wants to redeem any of his tithe, he shall add a fifth to it.


People also give from Sales or other income

Luke 18:12 (MSG)
12 I fast twice a week and tithe on all my income.'

Luke 18:12 (DARBY)
12 I fast twice in the week, I tithe everything I gain.


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The body of christ is under sponsored atttacks by satanist.

You’re quoting Adeboye out of context . Just to ridicule him. Was it not his wife he was referring to? Even if he was talking about achievement as you lied . Na your mouth e take talk am . You talk your own na.

I am the richest man on earth

ScepticalPyrrho:
The Israelites gave burnt offerings to God. None was taken for use by so-called ministers.

Ezekiel 44:29
29 They shall eat the meat offering, and the sin offering, and the trespass offering; and every dedicated thing in Israel shall be theirs.
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The levites were given food(one tenth) so they can survive without working

They won’t wear food as clothes and shoes abi? Funiture, bed , house ? Will eat grain and wear grain abi

there was no minister receiving tithe on behalf of god in the bible.

Leviticus 27:30
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord.

Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel

Deprofessional:
There is no justifiable reason for any of the following
(1) A pastor to own a private jet while 75% of his members wallow in abject poverty

Do pastors have private jets How many pastors do? Don’t generalize . I’m aware of about 3 in Nigeria and they didn’t buy it from offering or church funds .

(2) a pastor to build a school that 75% of his members, who contributed one way or the other to build, cannot afford.

School is an institution and bank and insurance built it . Not offering , not poor people money . Thats internet lie. It’s a business . They run like any private school .

The same pastor having school free of charge in school established by roman catholic missionaries.

Prove it ? Which one of them ?

(3) a pastor telling his members that God will curse them if they dont tithe.

Another one says if you sin you lose your Salvation . That’s their understanding From the Bible .

(4) a pastor who owns lands and properties and still believe he is a levite

Don’t generalize . Who has Land ?land calls himself a Levite ? Most pastors who do business rather put their many in the church . Bishop oyedepo for example and many other pastors don’t collect salary from church . He has businesses . Let’s deal with facts

life2017:
The Pope is a Head of State and the leader of over 1.6 billion catholics worldwide. All he needs to do to personally own 10 private jets is to ask his members to donate 80 cent each (That is 250 naira each) ; yet he flies Alitalia. He does not own a private jet. To own one private jet he only needs Catholic to donate 25 naira each.
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Where is he jetting to? Is he not suppose to stay for Vatican ? Is he an evangelist ? Private jet is just a jet . Private car is just a Car . Anyone who need it should get it . If you don’t travel frequently you may not need it . But those who travel often and have experience delays , Missed appointments or programmes due to flight cancellation may consider to have one if they can afford it . It’s not luxury but necessity for them. Don’t judge another man until you know the reason behind his action . The fact that pope flies commercial doesn’t mean it’s just his seat he pays for . They chatter entire aircraft . It’s even cheaper on the long run to have one than chatter because those who have usually commercialize it .

twosquare:
Another lame mumbo jumbo...when he shall come...he will get rid of everything called God in man...anyone who has the ability to do that has a full grown stature of that fallen Cherub.

Meaningful comment pls

Goshen360:
Y'all can smile all day long. I'll come and expose y'all when I have the time to write extensively and do justice to this offering topic too and I'll leave the rest to the audience to judge for themselves .

Smile keh? We are shaking .

OtemSapien:
In a church, we have many pastors, not one. It's all the pastors that form whatsoever boards of trustees, bla bla bla and they share the tithes and offerings among themselves, but the G.O or whatever you call them take the lion share.

Pastors are volunteers like you. It’s a responsibility. The full time pastors do get some stipends . But can’t be compared to the lucrative jobs many of them sacrificed for the Call .

ScepticalPyrrho:
Which one do they give to God?
how is it given to God?
And how do God collect these "sacred" tithes?

Through his ministers or given in the place of worship

otr1:
Anything that's not in the moral law (10 commandments) us not binding on anyone. We can give accordingly as the spirit leads us.

Free will offering nko?

Ken4Christ:
The arguments of Daddy Freeze against tithing are null and void. You can't use a law that has been abolished to judge the new testament Saints. .

His argument don’t make sense . I wonder the jumping the tithe eaters are doing with him.

openmine:
This statement just seems like the same "revelation" Petra1 received about pre-law tithing

Which one be Petra own here now

All these home video propaganda sef

eberetos:
Many churches are "gifted" in speaking in tongues, they can pray in the spirit always, but cannot say no to bribe in the office, they cannot say no to pre-marital sex before marriage, they cannot restitute what was stolen, they keep malice with people, they enjoy worldly music but they cannot rebuke sin, they cannot dress like christians, they do not have love, they love only praises without reading the bible always, they cannot stand little temptations, they cannot come out from the world and be separate, they still masturbate, they still fornicate, they still cheat and add figures to things in office, when they purchase things, they add their own share against the office knowledge, they go to club, they go to ungodly social gatherings.....

"BUT THEY CAN PRAY IN THE SPIRIT" without being born again or clean in the sight of God.

What’s your point .

frosbel2:
The bottom line is this , in the early church the title Pastor simply meant elder and it was always practised in plurality , that is , no single person was in control of a particular church

Not true . Paul had churches under him which were reporting to him . John had churches under him and James had his followers . He appointed pastors over them like Timothy , Titus and Philemon .etc and these pastors had elders reporting to them.

, the local church ( not denominations ) was governed by elders who also had other Jobs as a means to taking care of their families for Paul who was a tent maker said that he that cannot take care of his family is worse than an infidel

So what’s the purpose of the verse below

1 Corinthians 9:13-14 (KJV)
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? 14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

and let him that does not work also not eat (applicable especially to elders who were supposed to be role models

He wasn’t referring to the pastors but members

God never purposed offerings and the likes for the payout of bills or buying new buildings and expanding churches , it was always meant to help the needy just as was clearly practised in the early church.

The system that exists today was not ordained by God , it is a scam.

So where should the money come from to fuel the gen , pay for Benue , chairs , equipment and where needed staff salary

Abudu2000:
so being a pastor automatically means you have to enjoy all the good things of life

What is wrong with having good things of life’. Is your life for suffering ?

3 John 1:2
2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

but being a member means your blessing is waiting in heaven when you die Abi?

God blessing is for all . Brethren give testimony Day by day . They dedicate new cars some even give Car to their pastor . Poor sheepy are in the imagination of internet propagandist

THIS is how I travelled to my village to find a Catholic father using a Corolla priced it at 5m,

What if the car was bought by his children or an individual .just as you said Can a village church afford it . Did he buy it from offering? Does he have control to use church money to buy anything as he like ? Does he not have his stipends?

in a village where some can't even send their children to school, in a village where even most of them are almost clotheess yet church building alone by rough estimation is close to 60m..,the same politicians they accuse of stealing are now rubbing shoulder with these fraudsters , and it seems like a political officer will loot 1b and give 100m as tithe then the pastor will gladly bless him and open his gate of heaven for him...

If I reason how you sheeples have been caged, I'm almost in tears

Your anger is the comfort of the catholic priest . Even if it’s not church money .

Sorry to say . The question doesn’t make sense
Salvation and tithe dont relate . Salvation is what God gives to you . Tithe is what you give to God . How can you be rating which one is more important

Gombs:
Attack the message not the messenger.

Change tactics na

Satan has no new style . When they run out of ideas they go into personal attack’s .

Ken4Christ:
My final common sense to tithing is this. If those under the Law of Moses could give 10% to support workers in the house of God, what do you think those under the New Testament, saved by grace should be doing? We should even give more support for those who serve him night and day as their services makes the gospel to move faster and you will also be served better.

Nice one there . If a man feel 10% is legalistic he should give 50% na . Givers are not complaining it’s the non liberal who don’t give thstvare complaining just to excuse their greedy mind.

Klimaths:
my friend pack well jor, is either you eating from the church money. Or you a zombified follower

And you are a satanist .Satan your father tried and failed . I have a letter for you from Jesus read it below :

Matthew 16:18
. . . I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Eloquence49:
These are the kind of posts that i come across and smile. I have a few questions to ask, which i will answer subsequently.

1. How many persons see fathering a child as a job?
2. Does being a professional (banker, Engineer, Accountant, etc) make me a thief?
3. Cant a Pastor be allowed to live a free life like other human being on earth without any antagonism to their every move?

Being a father is not a job, when we have children We desire to see our biological children grow up, be successful and help their younger siblings and also be of help to us. Its the same with being a Pastor. This is not a job but a respinsibility carried out for God. So if a pastor have brethren who want to give to them, they are obliged to take. The money on the altar is not for the pastor. Only the one given to the Pastor that is his own and that is what he lives on.

At some point in your life, you would have purchased, different gift item for persons that helped you grow in life. The same way a pastor recieves gifts from his congregation.

Furthermore, if i own a business or work in an organisation where i earn salary, and the pay is in good digits, does it mean i got it from the church. For your information some Pastor were rich even before they start Pastoring a congregation.

lastly, The principle of giving and receiving is clear. hence if a pastor does not give, he will be broke, irrespective of how much he receives. have you not heard of Pastors giving out cars, scholarships, Airplanes, houses, etc. If a Pastor is on this list, he must be a reckless giver.

Tell them

WORLDPEACE:
The arch Bishop of Canterbury who heads a great part of the Anglican church is not the richest. The Pope who presides over the Catholic church all over the world is not the richest(even though there are more Catholics in the world than all Muslims put together). The head of the Russian Orthodox church is not on the world richest list but your G.O who is the head of a church that's not up to 40 years old in one of the poorest nations in the world is. I think you are afraid to make the obvious conclusion.
That pastor that you talk about who has nothing works for the G.O like you. He too has been scammed just like you.

The people you quoted, can they heal the sick or cast out devils? Those who receive miracles comeback to buy the pastor and give him moneY. A barren woman gets a Child cripple walk.

People like you called jesus 419

John 7:12 (NLT)
12 There was a lot of grumbling about him among the crowds. Some argued, “He’s a good man,” but others said, “He’s nothing but a fraud who deceives the people.”

Church money belong to church . Abpasror money comes from his gift . Problems he solves for people . That’s the anointing . As long Ass Hods power still work miracles , men of God will be blessed because they help the poor and preach the gospel with their wealth not your kobo kobo

lLuke 8:2-3 (BBE)
2 And certain women who had been made free from evil spirits and diseases, Mary named Magdalene, from whom seven evil spirits had gone out, 3 And Joanna, the wife of Chuza, Herod's chief house-servant, and Susanna and a number of others, who gave him of their wealth for his needs.

Pastors are problem solvers in the lives of people . Your Archbishop of Canterbury what problem has he solved . Which sickness has he healed? Can he cast out devils .

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Over 90% percent of pastors have a job and don’t repend on funds . Some of them are your colleagues at work . Pastors are mostly volunteers like you . Church money does not belong to the pastor . Every ministry has financial structure . A pastor cannot make expenditure without authorization from the headquarter . Except some who may have percentage allocated for running cost to pay workers salary curl generator etcA pastor cannot make e Even many general overseer , hiring chord or hall rent equipment maintain ace etc . Most churches will not even send someone out to pastor without him having a good job . Most pastors use this monies to pay church rent etc . Satan is attacking the body of christ . He’s after the sheep . And the system is simply to strike the shepherd to scatter the sheep . It’s the pastor who intercede for the sheep counsell prays heals , cast out Devi’s . Teaches them to make Success out of their lives . Have you ever wonder why with all these campaigns over the years the Christians still have strong commitment ? Are they so dumb ? It’s simply because of the results in their lives .

If a pastor is wealthy , it’s not from church money . Apart from
The fact that most pastors are lay workers . People give gifts of appreciation to the man who has served them .

Luke 8:3 (KJV)
3 And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance.

Only a ban Luli of pastors serve full time in denominations and that is if their responsibilities require that . They may have to be asked to resign their jobs. A pastor give like every other christian . They are not the one taking offering .Some only see what comes into church from book record . They are only steward s

OkaiCorne:
Kindly refer me to the scriptures...

then show where tithe was paid to the early church. I want to see the scriptures where tithes were collected by the early church (in black and white).

Thank you.

Shey you have bible , search it ..

Candour:
Like he has always been Shekau and Al Baghdadi's God whether they acknowledged him or not.

When did he become God to Jacob? I'm sure you can tell when your relationship with God started? When did Jacob's own start?

So when did he become his God .

OkaiCorne:
Same structure applies...the Church does not do animal sacrifice because it is structured under the Levitical Order, but they can still collect tithes abi?

If this is not cherry picking of the Mosiac Laws...then tell me what else this is...

You don’t give tithe , but you give offering and give to the poor . No be cherry picking ?

Christian tithe is not because the law say so. Tithes and offering are eternal principles

If it’s a pastor it will be see as receiving worship . No be so?