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Christianity Etc › Re: Gospel And Undiluted Teaching On Tithing. by petra1(m): 2:41pm On Nov 27, 2017
fellowman:
is tithe money or foodstuffs and if it is money is it supposed to be converted into foodstuffs.
Tithes could be money or material

is your pastor a levite?
In a sense yes . Was Melchizedek a Levite . He was a minister . That’s the similarity .
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Daddy Freeze The Problem With Nigerian Christianity? by petra1(m): 2:38pm On Nov 27, 2017
miketayo:
Ohk I agree with Ur classification of tithes.
Are pastors Levites? And if they r..
Any minister who serve God on full time bases can be classified as such administratively

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel
.

didn't Jesus Nd his disciples pay tithes also[quote]Well it’s not recorded but Pastors do pay tithes

[quote]there r many Jewish laws in the Bible which Christians don't follow
We are not tithing because it’s a Jewish law . We are tithing because It’s a spiritual law and principle . It existed before the Jewish nation

but tithing is d only Jewish law they insist on following, they can as well get paid from offerings
Sure , Tithes and offeings are eternal principles .

We pay tithe in my church but its extremely voluntary, even the priest didn't encourage it.
Tithing is a necessity . It’s like asking if prayer is mandatory
Christianity Etc › Re: Gospel And Undiluted Teaching On Tithing. by petra1(m): 2:17pm On Nov 27, 2017
plainbibletruth:
Like someone earlier said, and I quote:
"I wish u can spare some time and be humble enough to learn."
No need for harsh word . Present your case and leave it there .

Did you really read my post?
Or you were more eager to respond with vituperation?
Me keh? That’s you guys specialty na . I no dey fight

See again one of the things I wrote :If God wanted ANYTHING before Christ to be included in the New Covenant he would say so. The focus of the New Covenant is Christ alone from start to finish.
The focus of Gods Kindom has always been christ .
God is not writing new bible for the christian . Theo Word of God was the Old Testament which they study in the churches . The part done away are the part that christ has fulfilled .

So you can’t condemn any thing just because it’s contained in the Old Testament . Because it will be hypocritical .principles in the worship of God run across the ages . Some before the law , some in the law . I have asked you questions which you have been avoiding . If you condemn tithe only the bases of the law how about the so many other things that are practiced in the church yet they were in the law ?

Why do you give offerings Is incest legalized now?
Not to talk of others like murder or idolatry . Why is it tithe that is focused on

So, anything from the old that is still essential for the Christian life will be found in the EPISTLES.

Are 'offering', 'prayer', 'worship', 'fast' and 'alms to the poor' found in the Epistles?

Are you still under the Mosaic Law or under the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus?

I CHALLENGE YOU AGAIN to clearly point out how EACH item of my above post you called "error" are WRONG, otherwise you show yourself as a real peddler of FALSE TEACHING ON TITHE ON THIS FORUM.
Is in incest a sin ?
Christianity Etc › Re: Gospel And Undiluted Teaching On Tithing. by petra1(m): 6:36am On Nov 27, 2017
^^^^^^^
Error , if that’s the case why do you still give offering ,?pray, worship , fast and give alms to the poor were they not part of the law as well .

Sin is transgression of Gods law . Without the law there will be lawlessness
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Daddy Freeze The Problem With Nigerian Christianity? by petra1(m): 6:24am On Nov 27, 2017
miketayo:
Which work were d Levites using it for then?
For the service of the house of God and also for the welfare of the Levite or priest who were exclusively devoted to the work of God.


Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.


That's y I said u need to ask a Jew how it's done.. they still share it amongst d poor in d temple.
You don’t need to ask a Jew . You only need to open your bible and read . Tithe to God is not for the poor but for the welfare of the ministers of the sanctuary .
But there is another 10% they lay aside for the poor every 3 years . It is different from the tithe to God.

Deuteronomy 14:28-29
At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Daddy Freeze The Problem With Nigerian Christianity? by petra1(m): 11:23pm On Nov 26, 2017
miketayo:
It says all d tithes belongs to God, dat doesn't mean it shouldn't be shared amongst d poor.. everything on earth and in heaven is for God .. but God won't eat the harvest.

Jesus said whatever you do to the least of my brother you do to me..
Almsgiving is important as well . But the tithe yo God is used for the work of God .
Christianity Etc › Re: Gospel And Undiluted Teaching On Tithing. by petra1(m): 11:09pm On Nov 26, 2017
Tithes and offerings are eternal principles in worship of God . TITHING started as far back as the days of Abraham before the law ever came

ABRAHAM TITHED

Genesis 14:20
And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all



JACOB TITHED

Genesis 28:22
And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.


GOD MADE IT LAW WHEN HIS PEOPLE CAME OUT OF EGYPT TO WORSHIP HIM

Leviticus 27:30
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord
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JESUS TAUGHT THAT WE SHOUKD TITHE

Matthew 23:23
. . . You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things.

Matthew 22:21
, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.


JESUS INSTRUCTED THE CHURCH ON TITHE AS A PARRALEL PRINCIPLE

Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by petra1(op): 10:50pm On Nov 26, 2017
Grace001:
In light of that passage which make clear how Jesus felt about the practice of tithing, I doubt that the practice was followed by the apostles. Nowhere in The NT do we read about the apostles either preaching tithing, or practicing it.
Numbers 18:24
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Daddy Freeze The Problem With Nigerian Christianity? by petra1(m): 10:43pm On Nov 26, 2017
miketayo:
Instead of classifying types of tithes and all.. y not just ask any Jew how tithes r meant to be paid.. den tell me if Christians r doing it dsame way? Still didn't see d error u just repeated wat he said in a slightly different manner
You didn't read it. He didn't talk about Gods tithe which is the main one.

Leviticus 27:30
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord.

. He carefully omitted it .He capitalized on inability of people homeless won't study the Bible . He now dwel on insignificant 10% that was used for feast . And replaced it as though that's what Gods tithe is used for . Gods tithe is Gods tithe . That not what is used for feast ,nor for the poor
Christianity Etc › Re: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by petra1(m): 10:35pm On Nov 26, 2017
aribisala0:
Jesus never condemned kidnapping
Nice one, whatever is not condemn or fulfilled in Christ still stands
Christianity Etc › Re: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by petra1(m): 10:34pm On Nov 26, 2017
aribisala0:
WHO dd Jacob pay tithes to ?
God

Really ? when did Babylonian civilization start?
Civilization began in Egypt . Later, later Babylon rose

.simply means tenth. Which may be given as tax to government,share of profits ,to God etc. Tithe as a form of taxation existed long before Abraham and in the land that Abraham and his father lived
If Jacob knew about the act of tithing from his father or not we are not told by the bible that is a guess.

Tax is to govern,ent ,tithe is to God

Matthew 22:21
. . ., Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's


He certainly knew about circumcision.Why did he not make a vow about circumcision? That was a clear commandment.
Maybe the lesser is in the greater. You tell us

If there was a commandment about tithes then what sense is there in making a vow about it
What you forgot is that he didn't vow about tithe only . He also said God will be his God. Was God not his God already? Hope you're getting the point . It was like an affirmation . If a ,an says " GOD IF YOU DEKIVER ME FROM THIS TROUBLE I WILL SERVE YOU FOREVER . Does that mean he wasn't serving God?

Jews do not make vows to keep the Sabbath or not eat pork and so on but they still make vows.
They made vows Many times
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Daddy Freeze The Problem With Nigerian Christianity? by petra1(m): 10:14pm On Nov 26, 2017
miketayo:
He quoted d scriptures on every point he made.. y hasn't any pastor given answers or counter wat he said till now?
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Read my exposition on his error here :https://www.nairaland.com/4169634/error-daddy-freeze
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Daddy Freeze The Problem With Nigerian Christianity? by petra1(m): 8:57pm On Nov 26, 2017
miketayo:
He quoted d scriptures on every point he made.. y hasn't any pastor given answers or counter wat he said till now?
He misquoted scriptures . Read his errors biblically here :https://www.nairaland.com/4169634/error-daddy-freeze
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Daddy Freeze The Problem With Nigerian Christianity? by petra1(m): 8:54pm On Nov 26, 2017
Justbright:
Ur like are d hypocritical ones
Okay

Bible don't condemned tithing
Nice that you know

BT d problem with d pastors are dey failed to let their gullible and lazy congregations who are lazy to study d world knows Dat tithing is not mandatory,
I didn’t use the word mandatory . I prefer the word necessary . It is a necessity for a child of God to give tithes and offering to God just as it is a necessity to pray and fast as a child or God

and also dey(pastors) are not d only ones that has d sole right to collect tithe[/quote]Tithes and offerings are given to God
Christianity Etc › Re: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by petra1(m): 1:38pm On Nov 26, 2017
ofai:
Thank you my dear.

Do your best to make them understand, but don't let them push you off as it is clear that many of them are itchy in wanting to have a balanced understanding. Some just don't like the idea of tithing.

Don't stress yourself. Let them be.

Remain lifted.
Our responses are not just for them sir . You can’t convince a man who ha made up his mind not to believe . But the response is for posterity and other viewers .
Christianity Etc › Re: Tithing : A Scriptural Analysis. by petra1(m): 9:34am On Nov 26, 2017
lonikit:
next time u
my only question to u is that why is it that Christ who is the author and finisher of our faith did not practise it.
Did the Bible say he didn’t ? Christ endorsed tithing .

Matthew 23:23
. . . You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things.


likewise the apostles??
1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.


are u we suppose to do what Christ didn't dohuh
Christ didn’t condemn homosexuality
Christ didn’t condemn incest.

Does it mean they can be legalize now?
Christianity Etc › Re: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by petra1(m): 9:23am On Nov 26, 2017
aribisala0:
Tithe is not a spiritual act.
Tithes and offering are given to God in worship

Leviticus 27:30
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord
.

Tithe is an old English word for tenth. =10%[/quote]Wrong , the Bible was not written in English

Tithe is the same as tenth given to anyone.
If we are gang members in robbery. Depending on seniority your share could be a tithe
Tithe was a tax standard in the Middle East area of Babylon for centuries and in the general area that Abraham came from.
Wrong. Tithe existed before Babylonia civilization . It is given to God .

The question you should ask is how did Jacob give his tithe? Was it to a priest or temple or was it in burnt offerings

WHO DID JACOB PAY THE TITHE TO?
He gave it to whom he promised to give it to -GOD

Genesis 28:22 (NLT)
22 And this memorial pillar I have set up will become a place for worshiping God, and I will present to God a tenth of everything he gives me.”


The question you should rather be asking yourself is how Jacob knew about the act of tithing to God - through isaac his father and how did isaac got to know about tithe , through Abraham his father. Because God already testified for Abraham faithfulness to preserve the principles of God in his linage .

Genesis 18:19 (NIV)
19 For I have chosen him, so that he will direct his children and his household after him to keep the way of the Lord by doing what is right and just, so that the Lord will bring about for Abraham what he has promised him.”
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Daddy Freeze The Problem With Nigerian Christianity? by petra1(m): 9:02am On Nov 26, 2017
generaliy:
It is so painful to realise that a backsliding man who has fallen from the faith and some entirely non-believing wretched sinners are now creating "standards" for the church to discuss or debate, it is a pain too much to bear for anyone who understands what the church should be doing presently in the programme of God.
It’s a spirit of the last day . Satan is testing his plans but it has failed . It’s amazing that the people support him are so blind to read the Bible for themselves
Christianity Etc › Re: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by petra1(m): 8:56am On Nov 26, 2017
aribisala0:
Omoonile's have their own formula for sharing largesse

As did the raiding tribes of the middle East.

If you plundered you settled.

Abraham settled the King of Salem Mechilzedek who was also a priest
Is it an angel that told you this or the Bible . God says clearly he gave tithe . Tithe is a spiritual act given to God . Jacob also promise God his tithe .

Genesis 28:22 (NLT)
22 And this memorial pillar I have set up will become a place for worshiping God, and I will present to God a tenth of everything he gives me.”
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pastors Always Claim To be Bad Before Accepting Christ by petra1(m): 7:55am On Nov 26, 2017
Samsimple:
I have been to many churches and this statement you will mostly hear it when the pastor preaches salvation.. Not just any form of bad like really in the world badness. You will hear things like :
"i was once a thief"
"i was once an addicted smoker"
"i was once an area boy"
"i was once a prostitute" and the most recent one the pastor claim to be a former IFA worshipper and that he has eaten all kind of meat clean and unclean, defraud a lot of rich men and that he know all form of voodoo... What the hell...
After enjoying the world pastor wants us to live like a saint kolewerk!!..

Abeg nairalander which one did you hear from your pastor?

Cc. lalasticlala fleewpeed
It’s a testimony . How God brings beauty out of ashes .

1 Corinthians 1:27-29 (NLT)
. . .God chose things the world considers foolish in order to shame those who think they are wise. And he chose things that are powerless to shame those who are powerful. 28 God chose things despised by the world, things counted as nothing at all, and used them to bring to nothing what the world considers important. 29 As a result, no one can ever boast in the presence of God.
Christianity Etc › Re: Christians Think Pastor Is Eating Their Tithe Money by petra1(m): 7:48am On Nov 26, 2017
Goodyshoes:
If you must preach, learn to let go of material and financial gains, whether they come in the form of tithing or what not.
Tithes and offerings are given to God . God blesses us for our giving . Is God against material things . Hope you read the scripture I posted earlier
Christianity Etc › Re: Christians Think Pastor Is Eating Their Tithe Money by petra1(m): 8:27pm On Nov 25, 2017
Goodyshoes:
I haven't said doctrines that don't lead to salvation shouldn't be preached.
So what’s your point then because it’s all sounding contradictory to me

Those are two mutually exclusive notions.
I mean, rather, that tithing and similar money collection schemes are not necessary for a christian to go to 'heaven'
So who says it takes people to heaven . Is it only things that take people to heaven you preach . Does fasting take people to heaven? Does intercession take people to heaven ? Does it mean you don’t teach on such ?

They are strictly old testament doctrines, and were not advanced by Christ as written
What is the old testament doctrine ?


I want you, if you will, to show where He advanced that. Using any reference you choose.
I still don’t get you . I don’t believe I’m heading. What I seem to be hearing . What’s all these issues about proving what take to heaven or not


If you, as a christian, is verily bothered about the salvation of man, then material things like money and tithes wouldn't be a priority and you wouldn't feel hurt when the notion/doctrine is challenged, whether or not it's challenged by a Christian.
Cheers.
The kingdom of God is broad . You don’t just seat on one corner of the road . Worshiping God with your substance is part of Gods kingdom . Living in dominion , Living in health , prosperity, Dominion’ over sin are all part of the package .

3 John 1:2
2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.
Christianity Etc › Re: Christians Think Pastor Is Eating Their Tithe Money by petra1(m): 2:59pm On Nov 25, 2017
Goodyshoes:
I believe you also are of the opinion that it isn't prerequisite for salvation, why then is it of utmost importance to you or anyone who preaches it?, since you agree that:
1. It's not prerequisite to salvation.
2. Jesus did not preach it.


Cheers.
Very funny .Firstly christians already have Salvation . It’s only those who are saved that can serve God by the practice of Godly principle .

Secondly it is erroneous to say something should not be preached because it’s not prerequisite to Salvation . Let me ask you a question . Is fasting prerequisite to Salvation ? Should it be preached ?
Christianity Etc › Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by petra1(op): 12:23pm On Nov 25, 2017
Grace001:
How come something as important as tithe was omitted in NT, but NT talked about how Jesus had last supper with his disciple,
How come Jesus didn't talk about homosexuality to condemn it ? Is that enough to legalize it.

But he talked about tithe .

Matthew 23:23
“. . . . You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things.
Christianity Etc › Re: Christians Think Pastor Is Eating Their Tithe Money by petra1(m): 12:17pm On Nov 25, 2017
Ranchhoddas:
All neutrals can see that Freeze is handing it to you guys hot and thick.

A person is better of giving his money to priests than to people like Oyaks.
He only preaches about christ in you , have you ever heard him preach on money ? Your false accusations are unfounded
Christianity Etc › Re: Christians Think Pastor Is Eating Their Tithe Money by petra1(m): 12:15pm On Nov 25, 2017
Veraatabeh:
is having a private jet to hold crusade in other countries a sin, public plane take time nd at times they dont met up in the churches outside Nigeria,other pastor abroad also invites to their churches to preach.A private jet as a gift frm a church member to pastor is it also means yahoo pastor abi. Preaching the word of God in different dimension u can use ur mouth, internet, cars nd jet to preach around the world
Good point .
Christianity Etc › Re: Christians Think Pastor Is Eating Their Tithe Money by petra1(m): 12:13pm On Nov 25, 2017
Goodyshoes:
I'd love you to show, in very clear terms, why tithing is prerequisite to salvation as a Christian.

Cheers.
It doesn't make sense . Nobody ever preached tithe as prerequisite to salvation . Exceot invention of daddy freeze
Christianity Etc › Re: Deafness Instant Healing At Cec Srilanka India by petra1(m): 12:09pm On Nov 25, 2017
Davidds25:
but they couldn't heal Buhari
Buhari didn't go to church
Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by petra1(op): 12:07pm On Nov 25, 2017
MuttleyLaff:
You were being haunted by a blast from the past popular self-confessed Word of Faith Sir
WOF advocate won't attack tithe na
Christianity Etc › Re: Anybody There? Please I Need Your Help Urgently. by petra1(m): 4:40am On Nov 25, 2017
Olive tree bible . There’s also bible online free. Just kindly search
Christianity Etc › Re: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by petra1(m): 8:35pm On Nov 24, 2017
obailala:
,, I'm yet to see any scripture which mandates any Christian to observe the old covenant Mosaic Laws
.[/quote]What do you say about the verse then

Ephesians 6:1-2
Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. 2 Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promisewink
Christianity Etc › Re: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by petra1(m): 8:30pm On Nov 24, 2017
obailala:
, at the time the statement was made, the Mosaic Laws were still in full operation for all Jews.
When Jesus taught on new law LOVE . Mosaic law was still in operation . Jesus was not limited by mosaic law . He made modicfication on sabbath and other issues he felt were not perfect

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