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Goshen360:
as long as he can win an argument.

Wrong sir. if i win the argument on a lie. is that not a sin? let truth win. i post my convictions

will make reckless statement like "tithe is tithe". Ask him is Abraham tithe same as Levitical tithe? He goes....it's the same principles ....lmbo � � �

but tithe is tithe offering is offering. i think its insincere just to condemn offerings you now beging to ask about wave ,heave and burnt offering. its not the HOW but the WHAT. offering is what we offer .either its money or material

gabe:
do you agree it is wrong to threaten people with ruin just to scare them into paying tithe?

no one needs to threaten anybody . everyone has right to obey and disobey God. its not personal , if a preacher warns accoording to scripture thats not threat. if you announce the wages of sin is death its not a threat its scripture.

MrPresident1:
No bro, I am not rebuking you, I am only just saying that we should emphasize more the coming of Christ.

By now, Alarm bells should be sounding everywhere and every Christian on the HIGHEST ALERT LEVEL.

Bro, let the ALARMS RING OUT LOUD!!!

We are waiting for you na, you're the signal blower.

how do you know its worth ? if its worth that much it must have come as gift. just like the expensive alabaster GUCCI perfume that was poured on christ

MrPresident1:
You have to be instant in season and out of season, you need to prioritize what is really important, and at this present time it is being instant in and out of Nairaland.

Petra1, Let us leave milk for the children, and approach the weightier matters of the law.

i made posts on holy spirit ,evangelism,end time ,eschatology, prayer fasting etc. why is it tithe you dey rebuke me

1Sharon:
What would Jesus say about skin bleaching?

who bleached?

MuttleyLaff:
You should be sticking to all the laws, then
Example:
Don't put a razor to your beard
Don't touch your missus when she is doing her monthly period

The types and shadows of the law were fulfilled in christ. the unclean things represents the gentiles who are now clean. Christ is our sin offering etc. but tithes has no shadow besides it existed before the law

plainbibletruth:
I see! So it's now a matter of "pure logic"

Should human logic or expediency rather than divine instructions guide the way we give or live our Christian life?

See what the Bible says:
Colossians 2:8:
"Don’t let anyone capture you with empty philosophies and high-sounding nonsense that come from human thinking and from the spiritual powers of this world, rather than from Christ."

If you wish to leave CHRIST out and go back to live your life under Melchi that is your choice.

Abraham DID NOT tithe money even though money EXISTED in his time. Remember he made some purchases with money?

he gave tithes of ALL i. its money and material .

DID NOT tithe money.

what did he give. He vowed to give tithe of ALL. if he gave it in cash or kind ,its a matter of choice .

Mosaic Law DID NOT specify money EVEN THOUGH MONEY EXISTED"

The mosaic law specified money for unclean animals and redemption . for example the man who sells dogs can't bring dog as tithe ,you give money worth. it called redemption

gabe:
Exactly. By free will donations as recommended by Christ,all the apostles and early christian leaders not from tithes coerced from christians by psychological blackmail.

freewill donations was under the law as well. same principles in different generations. tithes ,offerings,freewill ,alms ,fasting,praying etc. its parallel . you can't take one and condemn the other except there specific scripture that says otherwise

Goshen360:
Why don't you replace your name or your pastor name or replace with Apostle Peter in place of SCRIBES AND PHARISEES and see how it will read to your ears....I'm talking about Matthew 23.23.

As for 1 cor. 9 vs 13 and 14,

If Paul meant or is referring to tithe in that scripture, THEN THE ORDER WILL BE:

Israel brings tithe to Levites and levites gives tithe to priest.

If interpreted toda, the order will be:

Members bring tithe to CHURCH WORKERS and WORKERS give tithe to pastors.

DO YOU AGREE?

offerings nko?

you see the issue is not about the how but about the what? tithe is Gods. given to the high priest through the ministers

Peacefullove:
you keep quoting this Corinthians you can't explain neither do you understand.

If what Paul Meant was tithe, show us where he lived off the gospel by Collecting tithes ?

kindly find it

MrPresident1:
I don't have a gospel of my own, lol. But we need to de-emphasize this whole noise about tithes, it is needless and distracting. Our core and cardinal focus at this time, at this specific time MUST be the coming of our blessed God and Saviour Jesus Christ, any other emphasis is groundless.

We are all his servants, let us do his main work which are the weightier matters of the Law.

Matthew 23:23
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

This is only discussion forum for christians, sinners are on the street.how do you know how many souls i preach to daily.

luckyCO:
I thought Abraham did tithe under old testatment?

The Old Testament was with Moses. Secret of tithing was already revealed to Abraham 400 years earlier

we are talking about new testament tithe.

theres no new testament tithe. tithe is tithe. 10% of what you are blessed with.

support our pastor church,poor etc.
Why is that they say if you don't pay some money call it tithe(

there are different kinds of givings in the word of God. free will offering to God,tithes, Alms for the poor, giving to parents etc. one should not take the place of the other.

though you might be paying more than 10% of your money not only from income )then God will punish you or not bless you?
That is the question we need to understand.

thats the point . for a giver ,tithe is one of our smallest giving. but the issue is not about the size but the instruction and its spirituality

let us keep emotion or sentiments away from this

Peacefullove:
Christians clearly condemn homosexuality among themselves .

Why would they condemn it . Are they under the law ?

Is Incest a sin?

asuustrike2009:
Are you not aware his agents here?

Yes o

brocab:
This verse is about ownership and image-Caesar's image, and God's image, it has nothing to do with tithing or giving back money.
It's about ownership, and it go's like this, {Give back to Caesar, what belongs to Caesar and give to God what belongs to God}
This is not about money, this verse is about image and ownership, who's image is describe on the coin "Caesars" who owns the coin "Caesar" give it back to him, and who's the image of God, we are His image, God created us, He owns us-give ourselves back to God.
So petral you old religious comrade, when does Catholicism ever involved themselves with the truth anyway,?

Truth doesn’t need much explanation . Let the Bible speak for itself .

What does ceasar demand : Taxes
What does God demand :tithes and offering

hardasan:
@ the first highlighted post.
80% correct. Tithing is a lesser law than righteousness. Tithing should not take the place of righteousness in any way. But then, who says you can't be righteous and still tithe ? You don't have to pick one. As long as they are all biblical, practice them.

Someone at the point of death has to fight for his life first. Only the living can pay tithe. In my own church, I can even call my pastor and tell him that I have spent all my money including my tithe and it's not enough and he'll direct the church committee to look into raising funds for me.
The church should count you a christian whether you tithe or not. Tithing is between you and God. With or without tithes, God will provide for his servants.

Let me use myself as an example.
I paid my first tithe at the age of 13. So from then till now, Have I spent my tithe ? Severally. Some with a reason and some on shopping. But I have cleared all. During that time, nobody came to remind me that I haven't paid my tithe. It was between me and God. I've even lent someone my tithe money and the person hasn't paid me back. I still replaced it. It hasn't stopped me from obeying other parts of the bible. Nor does it make me like the pharisees.

Excellent

An2elect2:
Let's say he was talking about tithe, would he have said anything different from other "pastors"? If no, well why defend evasiveness? If yes, why has he not said anything then. Or are errors in the church just nothing since he thrives on them.

Why are you not seeing that the title of the thread is misleading ? . All anti church people are the same

Matthew 23:24 (HCSB )
24 Blind guides! You strain out a gnat, yet gulp down a camel!l.

gabe:
You tithing champions have stock quotes you take out of context to justify your position. The only time Jesus talked about tithes was condemning the pharisees and their practice of hypocritical giving as evidenced in their tithing even herbs.

He condemned the Pharisee but endorsed the tithe . That’s good enough for every honest man

He knew levites depended on tithes for their sustainance and it would be suicidal to ask adherents of the old law to stop sustaining them. He however, gave NO directive on tithing to his followers

It existed before the levites came . The work of God must be funded in every generation .

Paul or any early christian leaders gave clear directives to christians to tithe. Or maybe your G.Os and pastors are more intelligent than Christ and his apostles on instructions about giving

Paul was clear enough here .

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

analize701:
No single person who has ever seen Jesus was confused as to who he or she saw. When you meet him, you'd know.

Saul of Tasius called Him 'Lord' immediately he saw Him.

THATS MY ANA!!

akeensbussy:
Popular Nigerian columnist and Lagos-based Pastor, Femi Aribisala, has lambasted ‘Yahoo Pastors’ who fleece their members of their money in the name of Tithing saying that God gave him a house in V.I, Lagos without Tithing.

It’s a carnal man who Glory in things . You don’t even need to be a christian to prosper . Sinners may mock the righteous it’s happened to DAVID

Psalms 73:2-17
But as for me, my feet were almost gone;
my steps had well nigh slipped.
3 For I was envious at the foolish,
when I saw the prosperity of the wicked.
4 For there are no bands in their death:
but their strength is firm.
5 They are not in trouble as other men;
neither are they plagued like other men.
6 Therefore pride compasseth them about as a chain;
violence covereth them as a garment.
7 Their eyes stand out with fatness:
they have more than heart could wish.
8 They are corrupt, and speak wickedly concerning oppression:
they speak loftily.
9 They set their mouth against the heavens,
and their tongue walketh through the earth.
10 Therefore his people return hither:
and waters of a full cup are wrung out to them.
11 And they say, How doth God know?
and is there knowledge in the most High?
12 Behold, these are the ungodly,
who prosper in the world; they increase in riches.
13 Verily I have cleansed my heart in vain,
and washed my hands in innocency.
14 For all the day long have I been plagued,
and chastened every morning.
15 If I say, I will speak thus;
behold, I should offend against the generation of thy children.
16 When I thought to know this,
it was too painful for me;
17 Until I went into the sanctuary of God;
then understood I their end.

MuttleyLaff:
Let Petra1, Gombs and hardasan explain to him, why God did this for a sinner like him who does not pay tithes
MrPresident1 might want to

Why not use Dangote as example . Life is not in material things . .

Luke 12:15
15 And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth.

It’s about your stand with God That counts Fools may prosper . Sinners may have riches . We are not in competition with them . How it plays out in the end is what matters

Proverbs 1:32
and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them.

kellybee95:
Bros dont mind them... even b4 Malachi 3 there was Malachi 2.. they failed to read ... 2 showed the instructions of the robbing was fof these priest

That’s not true . Malachi was adressing isreal . A Prophet can be talking to one person in a verse and switch to another person entirely in the next .

But concerning tithes he was addressing Israel not priest

He talked about tithe in verse 8 but in verse 6 it’s clear he was talking to a nation and not priest

Malachi 3:6
For I am the Lord, I change not;
therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Secondly the prophecy was addressing people who are farmers by default .

Malachi 3:11 (KJV Strong's)
11 And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes,
and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground;
neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the Lord of hosts.

QUESTION: Are priest farmers Or a nation

otr1:
I'm not against offerings or even tithes. But being selective in obedience to some laws is what I'm against. Why should pastors preach that we're no longer under the law, yet still preach about the importance of paying tithes, even when they know that payment of tithes is part of the law they preach has been nailedto the cross.

We are not under the law as s system , how ever there are principles the law contains that are principles of the kingdom of God . These principles have no expiry date . Many of them even existed before the law came . Such as Prayer , fasting , Tiyhed and offering , helping strangers , honoring parents . Etc. These are not shadows which christ fulfilled .

Believers should have the liberty to give according to their will. That's Christian giving.

What You’re talking was in the law too. It’s called FREEWILL OFFERING . No matter how much a man condemns content of the law . He will still find himself contradicting himself . Because the content of the law is good because if it is the law of God . It reveals Gods mins but seeking justification by the law is a curse .

otr1:
Anything that's not in the moral law (10 commandments) us not binding on anyone.

Alms giving was not part of the 10 commandment
Offering was not part of the 10 commandment
Fasting was not part of the 10 commandment
The law against incest was not part of the 10 commandment
Law against Gay wasn’t either

asuustrike2009:
You just said it all. At times I wonder why would they single out tithe of all the money given in Church.

That’s what we are talking about .All their reasons don’t make biblical sense . For example If they say Levite are to collect tithes . Were Levites not collecting offerings too?

Many Christians are falling for Satan's trap and will fall when he release plan b.

It’s called gradualism . Thanks

he wasn't talking about tithe but the seed he sowed to TBN years ago and relief donation to Haiti earthquake victims

MrPresident1:
Where are all the faithful Watchmen?

Every comment on this thread, to remind brethren that our Master, God and Saviour is coming shortly, earns humongous rewards from Him. I have been the only one chopping all the benefits for a while now, people like Petra1, ichuka and OLAADEGBU are busy with tithes and offerings.

preach your own gospel na. who art thou that judgeth another man servant ?

Bakrabas:
God asks in Malachi: “Will a man rob God? Yet you rob me. ‘But you ask, ‘How do we rob you?’ In tithes and offerings. You are under a curse – the whole nation of you – because you are robbing me.” (Malachi 3:8-9).

Pastors use this scripture to browbeat their church-members and extort money from them. However, what they hide from unsuspecting Christians is the fact that the thieves said to be robbing God here are actually not the people of Israel, but the Levites and pastors themselves. As is still commonplace today, the pastors of biblical Israel were stealing the tithes and offerings of the people, and converting them to personal use. (1 Samuel 2:28-35).

All through Malachi, pastors are the objects of God’s angst: “It is you, O priests, who show con-tempt for my name. But you ask, ‘How have we shown contempt for your name?’ You place defiled food on my altar.”
.

Malachi 3:11
And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes,
and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground;
neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the Lord of hosts.

Question for you . Are priest farmers ?

Enough of all these unsaved trying to teach what they don't even understand.


1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Wow

Interesting