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healthserve:
Like I said riding on the tide of popularity. Even Satan preaches the truth but isn't the truth. But has to be called out for the fraud he is



Do you know the satanic angels they work with is directly responsible for sudden death and especially miscarriages in pregnant women who would attend their nonsense assembly and they think it's just normal. Do you know the price those powers backing them up exact on their attendees? Do you know their attendees are marked and the number that underpmgo one form of strange sudden death. Used as price and sacrifice for powers



Let me not dig deeper just leave me. One crossed my path with an intention to kill me but as Heaven had it, I escaped so all of them are now my busibsss

You're wrong

macof:
But Corona is not from the sea but from Bats

Thats an assumption . They also said from sea food which agrees with the prophecy. He said sea food . Something from the sea.

But the guy narrating the video ud this one time the pastor mentioned China to force a connection between the China explosion and the Corona virus.

I agree with you to an extent . It's not needed

The corona virus is not carried by the atmosphere but by animals (human especially as the corona virus in humans has evolved to be fairly fitted for the human cells)

Remember those who got the flu in the cruise ship got it through air condition that runs in the ship. And there were individuals in america who never had any contact with anyone but got it also . Findings are not conclusive yet

herlecks:
If you don't have the ability to travel through the depths of the spiritual to discern the truth from falsehood you better ignore whatever you see instead of attempting to blaspheme the Holy Ghost ignorantly.

This is not Holyghost but you. Holyghost speaks the language of scripture

If you found something wrong with anything there you could have pointed it out specifically and I'd direct you to a Bible verse. Bro, let's be careful. My words are duly guided by the scriptures

For example how scriptural is it if you label a man of God fasle because he holds large crusade
How can you can a man of God false because he wear a gold wrist watch or drive a big car .

So if a young convert reads your "holy spirit " post and believes you. Then his pastor organizes a large crusade . He begins to see his pastor as false also because of his large crusade. Or charity work etc How spiritual is that ?
You should judge falsehood by doctrine and not by emotion and sentiments

Geeman23:
once you attack the doctrine of a man of God, watch out for such attack of his followers. even if the doctrine is the most bizzare and foolish. they will defend it. It is religion

So you're herlecks member. I see

herlecks:
Paul didn't quote the whole of OT to get his epistles written. The liars in our days are more crafty than those in Paul's days, if you rely on Paul's testimony about false teachers of his days you will be blatantly deceived this day. God is always moving forward. Believers lack so much understanding, most of them fail to realize that the scripture is "merely" a doorway into a vast pool of the spiritual realm and spiritual knowledge, they get stuck in logos. If Paul, Peter, James, John thinks like you do we will never have those texts today because they will also be stuck in OT like you are stuck in NT. This is the problem with those who call themselves believers, what they should support and promote they attack without any tangible reason, with or without knowledge they attack.

It's not just about Paul. God has been speaking right from old testament to the book of revelation. Even in it epistles of other apostles like john. So theres a bible standard of falsehood not on personal feeling and assumption. These days everybody call the other person false . Once your belief is different from my comprehension toure false . That's what we do. Its falsehood on it's own. Some of your teaching were biblical others were personal and wrong from my understanding of the bible . And that is why the bible has to be foundation

kingxsamz:
Eh, why didn't they see it in 2018?
Yeye...

They've started talking about it 2017


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WCQhuh3KDg

herlecks:
False Prophets


—The distinguishing factor between true and false prophets being the fruit of their lives and ministry;

-Their lives does not testify to Christ, rather it glorifies self. They receive worship, and it doesn't bother them.
-False preachers will never offend sinners because they deem preserving the emotions more important than saving the soul from the lake.
-False prophets are boastful, they speak hours of their achievements and that of their ministry.
-Their message will never speak aggressively or directly against sin.
-Most advanced among them teach you that your family members are the ones behind your predicament, that your mother is a witch and father is a wizard, they teach you to flee from your father's house because there are many witches there trying to hunt you down, whereas they themselves are slaves to spirits.
-From their appearance they are worldly, they mind earthly things, golden wrist watch, necklace, fancy cars and dresses, lavish lifestyle, avoid them. They are blind, they can't see that these things are vain.
-False prophets put up play in front of crowds, they are hypocrites, every of their good deeds must be announced abroad.
-False preachers have no message, their teachings centre around one theme, worldly comfort. When God raises a man he makes him one with his message, these ones are empty.
-These liars indulge many non-biblical practices. Before you do what they tell you, ask them "sir, where in the Bible did you get this?"
-False prophets take your money no matter how poor you appear, afterwards they put up a show of charity to convince the gullible of their goodness. Many buy into this occasional act of kindness.
-False prophets are ambitious, they want to be heard and known everywhere, they organise crusades everywhere, they are thieves, the goal is your money.
-While their message centers around man's need, self, how Christ can meet those material and emotional needs, worldly gains. Mark and avoid them.
-Their message bids you enjoy life NOW.
-They preach to appease or suit the emotions, feel good motivations.
-They teach spiritual progress without regard to pleasing or intimacy with God.
-Most of these deceivers are proponents of the false doctrine "Once Saved Always Saved," because this evil, unbiblical teaching guards their money making factory of a ministry, "We're forever saved no matter what we do anyway."
-Any man who teaches you "how to" in spiritual things is a false prophet. Their purpose is to draw you into the spirit realm, a realm unfamiliar to you that you may have communion with demons. If you yield or follow an "how to" your spiritual life will collapse.
-Their hall or worship centres are as a party hall, they are cheered and glorified by everyone, God has no place here.
-False prophets set up many colourful lights to weaken your Will and dull your Mind of actively apprehending and reasoning what they download into your spirit man. Afterwards you feel defiled within not knowing they have corrupted you.
-False preachers put up cool music as they think this will enable believers receive the message faster, but this is only emotionalism, it is of no spiritual value. One hour after the meeting, emotions drop, the message loses weight and believers sink back to as they came to the meeting. Peter had no cool music, no light work on Pentecost, 3000souls gave their lives to Christ in one great swoop. It isn't about your light work or music, it is about the power of God, it is about brokenness.
-False prophets cannot differentiate between worshipping God and playing with people's emotions, they think once you get goosebumps that's God, so they get you musicians to stir you to tears.

MARK AND AVOID THEM. THEY ARE MORE DANGEROUS THAN YOU THINK.

These are just your opinion . That makes your teaching as dangerous as what you try to prevent. Your teaching on such sensitive topic should rather have been quotation from the bible and not your personal ideology which is subject to you

kingxsamz:
Eh, why didn't they see it in 2018?
Yeye...

but adeboye said it

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macof:
Why was there no prophecy from any of the numerous men of god who make prophecies for the new year?

it started in 2019

The lord be praised. Thank you Pastor Chris

McCoy662:
Honestly I'm just wondering if not for the advancement in science and technology, how would this world look like with these highly contagious diseases everywhere? Would there still be mankind? Could we all have died and gone?
Imagine treating Ebola and Corona virus with holy water, prayers and fasting. All would have gathered with the believers to pray for God's intervention and lay hands on the "sick".
Imagine the speed this diseases would have spread?
Credit to science!!! I think religious men are the unintelligent ones.

Read the bible stronger epidemics broke out in the bible days but turning to God healed them. Ftom the plagues of egypt to the promised land. Ododo rabata

As I always say . Nobody has right to criticize another minister . Everybody has a bible based reason for their system as long their doctrine of christ and salvation is in line with bible .

1 Corinthians 4:5
Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

For Adelaja . God forgive me if I’m wrong . I feel he either has a mental case or has a demon. I pray I’m wrong but that is what he action physically portrays . And all these hyena cries he does while condemning churches and their pastors

That's a wrong counsel. Very unscriptural. Theres government in the church. The bible declares when someone offend you, you should fo to him but when he refuse you should take the matter to the church .

If two people can resolve their issues it's ok but when everybody is right and blaming the other . A third neutral party is needed .

But he got healed and helped in 2015 by a prophet in warri .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaH3OMO3So0

Its witcraft spirit. Its responsible for hindrances and attacks on prosperity. You need to get someone to minister to you. It mostly happen when theres good prospect arounf the corner . It leads to failure to secure jobs and other prospects

Busy . I will revert

Maestro21:
God never changed his principles. The agreements changed but the PRINCIPLES within the agreements did not change. Honouring parents for e.g in both old and new testaments still had the promise of long life. So a christian is not allowed to dishonour his/her parents even if they were voodoo worshippers.



What is amusing is your assumption that the covenants nullified the principles. Of course, you cannot back that up from scripture. But you are almost patronising petra1 who has this basic knowledge that you obviously do not have.



Paul himself explained why he did it. He quoted an OLD TESTAMENT principle and showed that it was still to be obeyed even in the new testament. That principle is -"do not speak evil about those in authority".



Peter was the apostle to the Jews. Paul was an apostle to the Gentiles. Peter visited Paul in Galatia (Paul's jurisdiction). Peter knew the truth (the right thing to do) as he had already received that vision from God and was acting orderly until men from James (Jews) visited and then Peter acted contrary. So Paul (under his own jurisdiction) rightly corrected Peter for knowing the truth and acting differently. When the same Paul visited Jerusalem (he did not contend with James and co even when he did not agree with them).



All Jews in the OLD testament were also regarded as a kingdom of priests and God's anointed. David was God's anointed. Saul was God's anointed. Yet David refused to wrong Saul because he knew not to "touch the lord's anointed". So what anointing was David respecting? Saul's anointing as the current leader of the Jews.



You can correct a wrong teaching without attacking the personality or character of the person. Two different issues. One is evil and the other is scriptural.



Same as afore. You can attack teachings by the word (not what you think) but not persons.



Expose false teachings and doctrines BY THE WORD. Contend earnestly for the faith by holding unto what the word says. Any one calling people's names, insulting them and even telling lies, is simply voicing the thoughts of demons.

I didn’t see your post before I posted mine . I guess we were typing at the same time . And reading through your post now it was as thoughI read yours first . You spoke my heart .

sagenaija:
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What is CONSTANT in all dispensations is GOD.

NOTHING else is.

There was the Old Covenant and a change came when the New Covenant replaced it.

his principles in the covenants are still constant

So, there are changes. Only God remains constant.

Change in operation does not change the principles behind it . Have you heard that God repented ? Yes he did . It’s still a principle

You're wrong when you say principles are constant . . .Under the new covenant for example, believers DO NOT have to go to a priest for the confession of sin

Confessions and cleansing will still be principles .it depends on the case .

James 5:16
Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed.

John 20:23
Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

Do you realise that the instance of Paul you gave need to be clearly understood and explained?
Did the high priest have any part in the Church?
Was God still administering his divine program through the high priest or even Israel at this point in time?

That should have been a good reason for Paul not to apologize , yet he did . Think about that . he even quoted scripture to back up his apology . Just as he did concerning parents .

Ephesians 6:1-3
Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.

Do we have the example of the SAME Paul directly confronting another leader - Peter - for his misdemeanor?
What do you make of that?

It was his church . It was his jurisdiction .He had authority there .Peter was only a guest . A guest minister should not teach contrary to his host . Pst Adeboye cannot go to deeper life church where men sit on one side and women on the other side and make mingle .

A minister can correct a wrong under his jurisdiction But member cannot rebuke Pastors.

1 Timothy 5:1
Rebuke not an elder

The 1 John 2: 27 I stated clearly says that all believers are God's anointed. Do you dispute that? ALL BELIEVERS are said to be royal priests - 1Peter 2: 9. Again is that incorrect?

It’s not a New Testament revelation . It’s been a generic principle from the Old as I told you before . Peter was making reference to it.

Exodus 19:6
And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

I agree that there is the need for respect for leadership. But what happens when what leadership says, instructs or do CONTRADICTS the word of God?

God says to reject him (his authority ) You leave the place . That’s if you’re sure he is wrong .The fact that you don’t agree with a teaching or deed doesn’t mean the person is wrong . you need to know the principle behind the action first . That’s the problem with Adelaja. He criticized mostly based on his own limited knowledge . If you’re not a healing minister how can you be attacking a man with gift of healing ?

In Mat 18:15-18 Besides Jesus admonish that if there is an issue , to go to the person first . If the person did not listen, Get others to talk with him before you can reject such a one . We correct in love . Not public attack and name calling On issue that does not concern us and without even knowing the root of the matter

Do you realise that the Lord Jesus commended those who separated themselves from wrong doctrines in the churches he addressed in Revelation 2 & 3?
What can we learn from that?

I agree . That’s a good thing to do . But not insults and attack because at the end of the day you may be wrong . That’s why it’s first good to ask question . If a member feel his pastor is doing heretic thing . He should simply go to him for clarification in humility . The approach should be for clarification based on scriptures. And if the answer is not Favourqbke , just leave . It’s not by abusing your pastor . Doctrine of deeper life may differ from redeem let God be the judge

Can we  "test every spirit" without pointing out where there is wrong? Can we contend ernestly for the faith without voicing out aberrant positions? And how do we have nothing to do with fruitless deeds of darkness but rather expose them if by "opposition" we mean SILENCE?

You need to point that to DSA . He’s not “discerning the body ”

Anyone who encourage brethren to rise against ministers is in error .

Jude 1:8
Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

2 Peter 2:10-12
But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities. Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord. But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

If DSA has a genuine motive . He should have gone to the ministers individually . Not public attack .Especially doing it in front of sinners on social media . without even giving them the opportunity to explain their actions . “ supposing DSA is wrong ( which he is many times) But the harm has been done to God’s children . God frowns at it when we . Wash dirty linen before the world . The scripture below shows how God sees it

1 Corinthians 6:1-6
Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints? Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church. I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren? But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.

sagenaija:
I don't have the details of what DSA said in his position but a nairaland thread on the matter is this:
 https://www.nairaland.com/1997361/touch-not-anointed-what-does/3#28064882

Who are the anointed of God today: 1 John 2:27 - all Christians. So, under the new covenant all believers are God's anointed. If the phrase is to be used then it must apply to all of God's anointed.

Believers need to be careful in lifting biblical phrases out of context. We must ensure correct application of the word of God. We must rightly divide the word of truth.

Nothing in the application of the phrase to the new covenant believers suggest that it must be used selectively. Unless we are to return to the old covenant. After all, are all believers not royal priests? Royalty and priests.

Also nothing in that phrase suggests that it restricts pointing out errors of any man of God. We are to "test every spirit", contend ernestly for the faith and have nothing to do with fruitless deeds of darkness but rather expose them.

Wrong , principles are constant either Old Testament or New .
Gods kingdom runs by leadership not democracy .

I gave you the the instance of Paul speaking against the highpriest. That's new testament .

There are offices of leadership in Gods kingdom and such annointed offices must be respected . There is no new testament God or new testament holy spirit. This rebellious statement " WE ARE ALL ANOINTED" has been there from the Old testament. God called his people anointed in Generic term but he also anointed certain offices over the people . Some rebels capitalised on the former to attack moses.

Num 16:3 — Num 16:4
They came as a group to oppose Moses and Aaron and said to them, “You have gone too far! The whole community is holy, every one of them, and the Lord is with them. Why then do you set yourselves above the Lord’s assembly?”
When Moses heard this, he fell facedown

You will also find similar principles in epistles.

@ princevinco You may need to edit your post you didnt close your quote well [ )

sagenaija:
Please give your scriptural justification.

Touch not my anointed .
He said it’s not applicable to minister and that it’s a manipulation . He is very wrong Here .

There were 3 offices of leadership God anointed men . The king, The priest and the office of the Prophet . The people must recognize the anointing for the office . It is sacred . It’s a only a man who doesn’t know the Holy Spirit that look down on the offices in the kingdom of God .

God chose Israel among the nations , others nation must know the difference . God chose leaders among his people . The people must recognize the anointing on their offices . That’s why David could not kill Saul many times when he had the opportunity .

That’s whynDavid restrained Abidjan from killing Saul

1 Samuel 26:9
And David said to Abishai, Destroy him not: for who can stretch forth his hand against the Lord's anointed, and be guiltless?

The man that finally claimed that he killed Saul the king was put to death because he touched the anointed

2 Samuel 1:16
And David said unto him, Thy blood be upon thy head; for thy mouth hath testified against thee, saying, I have slain the Lord's anointed.

God also told the people not to insult leadership . Paul the Apostle once insulted a man who had asked soldiers to slap him . But when Saul realized the man he insulted was a high priest he had to apologize .

Acts 23:4-5
Those who stood near exclaimed, Do you rail at and insult the high priest of God?
And Paul said, I was not conscious, brethren, that he was a high priest; for the Scripture says, You shall not speak ill of a ruler of your people.

Same thing goes for casting out devils . It’s obvious DSA didnt have the supernatural in the church he was pastoring because some of his criticism are so elementary . If someone is rolling on the ground under demonic manifestation DSA will it is not demon ! It is manipulation and sugestioms .

DSA May be a good motivational speaker but he need to school himself in spiritual matters than going public and ignorantly cause chaos for Gods people.

He has great courage. But sometimes you need to win the mad person heart by giving them food or something before they can trust you a little. Dont drag with mad person if you have made attempt and you didnt make contact with the spirit responsible. Better go and intercede somewhere distant .

sagenaija:
My post:


Your response to it:


My reply to you:


So, what are the ISSUES you pointed out?
It would be good for us to know them clearly and be able to see how they disprove what DSA is doing.

Followers of DSA still dont get it. He is like a drowning man grabbing everything along the way to survive . Sometimes he brings old videos of 10 years ago to attack a man of God as though it's a current video. Then he misrepresented the content of the video . He Is out on a mission to discredit every Pastor and lure members to himself. I will prove it to you if you have the time .

You talked about the content of his post. Ok let's look at the content

He made a post recently attacking all Nigerian pastors . He said the Pastors are manipulating people in deliverance. He said nothing like spiritual husband experience. He said the use officials the " touch not mine annointed is unscriptural to use it for pastors . That everyone is anointed. Etc .

But he is wrong on every count

MuttleyLaff:
sagenaija, lol, notice how Petra1 struggled to pick an issue. He drag his feet and had difficulty showing us what DSA said that is wrong/erroneous/unbiblical. He couldnt get himself to expose how DSA is wrong using the Scripture as his proof, lol.

Struggle? Is that what you think . I made few point s out of many . If you side with him kindly prove me wrong

sagenaija:
You said you defend the body of Christ and not any individual. You are yet to show how DSA is attacking the body of Christ and not individuals.

That is what I am asking.

Pick an issue. Show us what DSA said. Expose  how he is wrong using the Scripture as your proof. Then the issues will be clear and you will not fall into the same error you're accusing him of. But I'm yet to see any of that here.
 
If I'm to agree with your statement that "those who attack others are mostly envious or ignorant" then the same will apply to you! Do you or do you not see that? You're attacking DSA. So, is it out of envy or ignorance? What makes your attack right and his own wrong?

You said: "The fact that you dont like what I  do or you dont understand what I do doesn't mean that Iam wrong". Could it be that this can be applied to how you view DSA? Just maybe?

So, again:
Why don't you guys concentrate on the real issues presented by DSA rather than go the path of outright attacks and condemnation?

What has he said that is wrong? Why and how is it wrong? What does the Scripture say with regards to the issues?

Read my post again. Maybe you read it hurriedly. I.mentioned some of his errors

He teaches against against the grace of God . He teaches against the blessing of God. He attacks other ministers unjustly . Several issues

Maestro21:
I read some posts here and I just laugh. Petra1 will demonise anyone? The same Petra1 who even defends ministries that even criticise the ministry he is under. Find another zobo to give us to drink abeg.

Pls tell him and Ola o. We stand for christ body.

sagenaija:
How come you're quick to go after DSA but you don't apply the same standard to the statements and prophecies of your favourite heroes?

Wrong

If DSA were the one with a divorce in his 'CV' Petra1 would have used that as another weapon to demonise him. But when his 'man of God' is the one affected he blinds his eyes to that one's  shortcomings whilst exaggerating another man's foibles.

Wrong , Pst Okotie had multiple divorces did I demonize him?

I defend the body of christ not a person . DSA is being used by the enemy to attack the body of christ and destabilize the faith of people . The only way the body can fall apart is when it divides against itself. Christian's shouldn't wash dirty linen in public . Secondly those who attack others are mostly envious or ignorant . The fact that you dont like what I do or you dont understand what I do doesn't mean that Iam wrong .

Why don't you guys concentrate on the real issues presented by DSA rather than go the path of outright attacks and condemnation?

What has he said that is wrong? Why and how is it wrong? What does the Scripture say with regards to the issues?

He wants to come back to Nigeria hes preparing the ground to have followers, but it shouldn't be by attacking other ministers . It's not a spiritual strategy. He should go on the street and win souls.

Many of his attacks sounds so crazy sometimes I wonder if he has mental case . Imagine he sits in front of the world on camera and attacks someone for casting out devils . Or laying hands saying this is not how jesus did it. Does he know how to cast out devils?

Imagine him showing video of someone manifesting the presence of a demon while the minister was casting the deviland he was making mockery and jesting of such work of the holy spirit . Laughing at someone being delivered of oppression of the devil.

MuttleyLaff:
You would say that, all because DSA rightly and regurlarly comes down on your mentor

far from it. any spiritualy mature bible schollar would tell you

dSA is confused and he is confusing blind followers

I am yet to see any wrong done by the man. People touching his body is in line with the bible. miracles are not against the bible. and the missing child issue there no proof nor link to him in any way.

MuttleyLaff:
It might be a frame up, but there are claims that the corpse of a one-year-old boy, Eniola Kolawole, who went missing on November 10 during a service at the place had been dug out from a section of his church auditorium now petra1.

Pesin wey bear "Pastor Alfa Babatunde" for name sef, fit make your sixth sense alarm go off, lol. Hmm, only God knows who is sincere, honest and truthful.

What is the matter with these DSS sef.? How can you arrest someone for over eight days and leave remained in leg chains in DSS custody without food?. Na so dem bin dey do power show with them Sowore and others case too. Mtcheew.

No corpse was found. His name is Alpha yoruba calls him alfaa