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coldhearts:1. It was a joke. If you haven't seen Ileke-idi's posts about African men on this forum before, then it's clear why you don't understand my comment. I don't take her many variations on that statement seriously enough to respond with anything other than jokes. 2. The people in that picture aren't Nigerian, period. 3. Trust me, the things some African men are thinking and occasionally saying about African women vs. other women aren't exactly pleasant either. This is even evident on nairaland's romance section, not to talk of in real life. 4. Asian men? Hilarious. Anyway, go ahead, nobody's actually stopping y'all. |
bokohalal: Is it true that the Oonis after Oduduwa till the present are not direct descendants of Oduduwa as the Obas of Benin and the Alaafins of Oyo?No. This is basically an old lie brought up by Oyo partisans during the Yoruba debates about the primacy of the Ooni vs. the Alaafin in Yorubaland. Samuel Johnson distorted Yoruba history by claiming that the Alaafin of Oyo was the Alaafin of Ife (King of Ife) since ancient times and the title first originated as Alaafin of Ife before becoming Alaafin of Oyo. Even more bizarrely, he claimed that the Alaafin had overlordship over all Yorubas (false) and overlordship over the king of Benin. In fact, if he hadn't tried to make the claim that anybody called Alaafin ever had political overlordship over Benin he might have actually gotten away with his dishonest attempt to throw the Ooni of Ife into the dustbin of history and under the boots of the Alaafin. But the claim was so untenable that it made his whole story crumble in the face of all the research by scholars, both Western and from Nigeria, into Benin and Ife. Samuel Johnson basically replaced the Ooni with the Alaafin in every instance that he could in his book. This is why it's even more ironic when people rely on Samuel Johnson for the origin of Oduduwa, as it's pretty obvious that he concocted the idea that Ooni means son of a sacrificial victim rather than indicating a royal title, and most fantastical of all, wrote that Oranmiyan set out on an expedition against Mecca to avenge the expulsion of Oduduwa from Mecca but was stopped from using the route to Mecca by an army of black ants blocking the path! I doubt whether Samuel Johnson ever even intended to write as accurate a version of history as he could, given the Mecca stories and the act of over elevating the Alaafin. |
What's really ironic is that it was the British that coined this "Giant of Africa" title, and Nigerians just ran with it. Now other Africans are judging for themselves and they don't see it, and I can't blame them. The title is pointless and useless anyways. Until all of Africa gets its act together, being giant of Africa isn't even something to brag about - whether its Nigeria or South Africa we're talking about. |
Xtfield:Quoted for truth. |
"Agha s'Edo, Edo ore odion, Edo gha se isi, Edo ore vbe odion" - when one reaches the Benin country, Benin is the senior, and when the Benin reach other people's country, they still retain their seniority ![]() |
^^ lol, what was he teaching and where? This guy needs to put out a major work and enrich the African literary scene. He's got the wit and creativity to really be a major writer. |
This guy is sharp and quite creative. Here's a link to one of his stories "Discovering Home": http://books.google.com/books?id=Y1Sv87gyGcoC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Discovering+Home&source=bl&ots=cBFHMi-I8F&sig=uCHeTlC_WL-rwP7A1ksFTVyhDiI&hl=en&ei=rpF2TbDvOabJ0QGEq_GPAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CEUQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q&f=false There are also some other stories there by African writers, but the preview pages are limited. |
[quote author=U de vex? link=topic=582176.msg7867743#msg7867743 date=1299558050]traditional writing was widespread in Nigeria, but limited to enlightened initiates. A lot of what you think is art is really a detailed form of communication to the "educated." @PhysicsMHD Get in touch with Dr. Izevbigie. That man's knowledge will enrich your life no end, he is very approachable as well. I've not been in contact with him for donkey years now, but write to him stating your interest. His from the Eweka line, its guaranteed, he'll make your jaw drop (and with proof too).[/quote]I assume you're referring to this Dr. Izevbigie (there is another Dr. Izevbigie who's a biology prof): http://www.clarku.edu/~jborgatt/Izevbigie.html "DR. (CHIEF) OMOKARO IZEVBIGIE CONTACT ADDRESS: Dept. of Fine and Applied Arts, University of Benin, Benin City PHONE: 052-259597 (Land Line); 0803 373 7485 (GSM) E-MAIL: EDUCATION (Degree, Concentration, Institution with Date) 1971-1978 Ph.D. Art History (Traditional African Art) University of Washington, Seattle 1972 M.A.T. (Master of Arts in Teaching) Art Education, University of Washington, Seattle 1966-1970 B.A. (Hons) Fine Arts - Amadu Bello University, Zaria 1963-1964 T.C. II Benin/Delta Teachers Training College, Benin City 1959-1960 T.C. III Provisional Teachers Training College, Agbede PROFESSIONAL POSITIONS 1979-present Art History Lecturer and Coordinator of Art History Programs, University of Benin, Benin City 1999-2003 Civil Commissioner, Edo State Government 1973-1978 Instructor, Ethnic Studies, Shoreline Community College, Seattle 1973-1978 Interdiscip. Service Coordinator, Mt. Baker Youth Service Program, Seattle 1971-1973 Teaching Assistant, University of Washington, Seattle (Art History) 1970 Instructor (Art), Anglican Women Teachers College, Benin City PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATIONS Member, African Studies Association (U.S.A.) Member, Nigerian Society for Education through Art (NSEA) Member, National Art Education Society of America (NAEA) Member, The Kiwanis Club International, U.S.A. Fellow, Institute of Corporate Executives of Nigeria (FICEM) Fellow, Chartered Institute of Marketing of Nigeria (FCIM) Fellow, Society of Nigerian Artists (FSNA) and current Chairman, Edo State Chapter HONORS AND AWARDS 2000 Certificate of Merit: Best Commissioner, Edo State, 2000, from Centre for International Legal Cooperation and Democratic Development in Nigeria. 2001 Merit and Nobel Peace Awards, from Afr. Youth Missionary International Assoc. 1999 Appointed and sworn in as Chief Ihama of Ugbeka by the Enogie of Evbohighae, Orhionmwon Local Government Area. DISSERTATION/THESES - UNPUBLISHED 1978 Olokun - a focal symbol of Religion and Art in Benin. Ph.D. Dissertation, University of Washington, Seattle 1972 Benin Bronze Casting Techniques. M.A.T. Project 1970 Bini Mud Sculpture, B.A. Thesis JURIED PUBLICATIONS (Also ARTICLES ACCEPTED FOR PUBLICATION) forthcoming "The Masking Traditions of Kwakiutl and Benin," KIABARA - a Journal for the Humanities, University of Port Harcourt, Port Harcourt, Vol. 6, No. 2. 2000 “Native African Arts and Culture in the New World: A case study of African Retiontins in the United States of America” in African Studies Monographs, Vol.21, No.2., Centre for African Area Studies, Kyoto University, Japan, pp. 45-54. 1999-2000 “Art as the Bedrock of Social and Technological Development: A Case of Improving the Quality of Art Lessons in Schools and Colleges” in Benin Journal of Educational Studies, Vols. 12&13, No.1&2, Institute of Education, University of Benin, Benin City, Nigeria, ppl 56-63. 1995 “Benin Traditional Religion” in Critical Perspectives on Father Kevin Carrol, Society of African Missions, Ibadan. (Chapter 20). 1995 “Origin of Olokun Worship in Benin” inCritical Perspectives on Father Kevin Carrol, Society of African Missions, Ibadan. (Chapter 22). 1995 "Description of Ekaladerhan Olokun Temple, Ughoton"(Appendix 4) in D.N. Oronsaye,The History of the Ancient Benin Kingdom & Empire, Jeromelaihon, Lagos, pp. 82-101 1988 "Olokun & Leadership in Traditional Benin," Nigeria Magazine, Federal Department of Culture, National Theatre, Iganmu, Lagos, May. 1987 "Mbari and Olokun Compared," Nigeria Magazine, Federal Department of Culture, National Theatre, Iganmu, Lagos, Vol. 55, No.4, Oct-Dec, pp.32-36. 1987 "Sources of Mud Sculpture in Southern Nigeria," Ivie Magazine, Bendel Arts Council, Benin City, 5th Edition. OTHER PROFESSIONAL WORK (SELECTED) 1997 Organized exhibition to commemorate the British Invasion of Benin of 1897, Benin City 1991 "Society through the Eyes of the Artists," Society of Nigerian Artists, Bendel State Chapter. Exhibited four works and authored catalogue's introduction. 1985 Assisted Dr. F. Kaplan, visiting Fulbright Scholar from NYU to organize and identify the art exhibits entitled Ärt of the Royal Court of Benin, Benin Museum, Benin City. 1975 Tie and Dye in Nigeria, Lectures-Workshop-Exhibition, Evergreen State College, Olympia (WA) 1974 Benin Bronze Casting in Photographs, Shoreline Community College, Seattle (WA) 1971 One-man art exhibition of bronze works cast using the ancient techniques of bronze-casting in Benin plus demonstration. Gallery Nimba, Seattle. PERSONAL DATA PLACE OF BIRTH: Evbohighae, Orhionmwon Local Government Area, Edo State STATE OF ORIGIN: Edo State HOME TOWN: Evbohighae CITIZENSHIP: Nigerian MARITIAL STATUS: Married with Children" Thanks for the info, but I'm not in Nigeria right now, so I couldn't approach him. Do you know his email? Has he or anybody else published any articles or books on aro-oko writing systems or Olokun symbols as writing? |
amazonia:I see, thanks for the info. Are those symbols the same as those seen here?: http://books.google.com/books?id=YLBdDqZj4L0C&pg=PA41&lpg=PA41&dq=olokun+symbols&source=bl&ots=4chrO9Fvcw&sig=NTdDNzMUBwLdUbq8CVKgnPgUR9M&hl=en&ei=h09lTaT1JMiltwfw-bDPBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CBwQ6AEwAjgK#v=onepage&q=olokun%20symbols&f=false Or are they different? If they are different, then Edos should publish, officially, articles or books on these symbols. |
AjanleKoko:You still haven't answered my question. Why bring up Ghaddafi in the first place in the context of this discussion? The man is NOT a political genius in any sense of the word. Not even in the sense that Stalin, Mao, or Napoleon were important political "geniuses" on the world stage. Gamal Abdel Nasser was a political genius; the same for Sun Yat-Sen, Nelson Mandela, and so many others. The truth is that Muammar Ghadaffi will NOT be remembered by anybody outside of Libya 50 years from now, not to talk of 100 or 150 years from now. You assumed he's a world figure like those I mentioned above because he's gotten so much press for over 30 years. Aside from the press he gets from his idiotic actions, what is there to actually remember him for? What legacies, what major movements? What political imprint on world history? Hitler, Stalin, Mao, etc., all made major moves on the world stage and had known political philosophies. What the hell did Ghaddafi do except screw up continuously and get bad press for it? Name even one thing this buffoon has done that's a major action on the world stage. My other problem is that I don't think that your discussion with regard to Nigeria's impact on the world stage is constructive. It's actually just a series of vague put-downs with no discernible purpose. Take science for example. Instead of attempting to discuss why Nigeria lacked scientists who had achieved at the highest possible levels in the world, you initially naively asserted, with no prior thought, that Nigeria by mere virtue of its population and number of universities, could have actually produced a Nobel laureate in science without doing any analysis or comparison between those countries which have produced Nobel laureates in science and Nigeria to see what the difference was. The difference is so real and so tangible, yet you just assert without any further thought that it must be due to the inherent mediocrity of the people. You even asserted "and so many graduates who have attended schools from all over the world, even shattered academic records, but have never done anything beyond winning school prizes, at least not outside their academic communities" a statement which I even ignored, since there is already a thread on Nigerian academia to address that claim. I ignored it and tried to find what your perspective was on the actual problems with Nigeria's ability to produce those scientists that have achieved at the highest levels, but you avoided all of my points/questions. When I pointed out what some of the differences were between Nigeria and countries that produce individuals that win the very highest awards, you went and brought up chairman of Microsoft Africa and company manager for Google and other irrelevant vague nonsense to try and insinuate that other black countries generally produce people who are standouts compared to Nigeria and its supposedly generally mediocre people. What other Sudanese can you think of besides Mo Ibrahim who has done something that puts them on the world stage? I mean this for all categories: arts, politics, science, business, etc. I can only think of Muhammad Ahmad, but even he is somewhat obscure to most of the world. I can't think of any Malian, I can only think of one Kenyan (Jomo Kenyatta), I can't think of any Libyans except for one madman (Ghaddafi), so how true is your idea of Nigerians being particularly mediocre in producing achievers at the highest level in comparison to their contemporaries? Where are these Malians? What Kenyans? What Libyans? Think about your own questions for the 54 countries of Africa, and you'll immediately realize that Nigerians were not specifically targeted by the god of Africa to be cursed with mediocrity. |
These are pretty hilarious, I have to admit. |
[quote author=MzD@rkSkin link=topic=618590.msg7872872#msg7872872 date=1299609071][color=#0066ff] But bottom line, I still support Gaddafi on in the strength that he did support and aid many African nations who sought help from him. He did more for the 'Pan Africanist' vision inside of Africa than any other SO-CALLED African leader (the black ones). ![]() [/color][/quote]Are you serious? Let's see: "In 1972, Gaddafi created the Islamic Legion as a tool to unify and Arabize the region. The priority of the Legion was first Chad, and then Sudan. In Darfur, a western province of Sudan, Gaddafi supported the creation of the Arab Gathering (Tajammu al-Arabi), which according to Gérard Prunier was "a militantly racist and pan-Arabist organization which stressed the 'Arab' character of the province."[35] The two organizations shared members and a source of support, and the distinction between the two is often ambiguous. This Islamic Legion was mostly composed of immigrants from poorer Sahelian countries,[36] but also, according to a source, thousands of Pakistanis who had been recruited in 1981 with the false promise of civilian jobs once in Libya.[37] Generally speaking, the Legion's members were immigrants who had gone to Libya with no thought of fighting wars, and had been provided with inadequate military training and had sparse commitment. A French journalist, speaking of the Legion's forces in Chad, observed that they were "foreigners, Arabs or Africans, mercenaries in spite of themselves, wretches who had come to Libya hoping for a civilian job, but found themselves signed up more or less by force to go and fight in an unknown desert."[36] At the beginning of the 1987 Libyan offensive into Chad, it maintained a force of 2,000 in Darfur. The nearly continuous cross-border raids that resulted greatly contributed to a separate ethnic conflict within Darfur that killed about 9,000 people between 1985 and 1988.[38] supporter of APC, a group that is accused by the United States of carrying out a genocide in the 2000s, emerged in 1988 and some its leaders are former legionnaires.[39][40]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muammar_Gaddafi And supporting Idi Amin, Jean Bedel Bokassa and Mengistu Haile Mariam must be the kind of support of African |
[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=618590.msg7872657#msg7872657 date=1299607053]I tell ya, Africa nations are so backwards because of the oh so useless African men in this continent. I am soooooo sick of African male leaders. Jesus! I am so furious at the pixs on this page. Why are African men so effin useless and brainless to this point? Backwards men, backwards I tell ya![/quote]Maybe it's their mothers not raising them right? Who knows? There are Ghanaian (Akan) traditional leaders in that pic. And we all know how women dominate the culture in Akan culture and in Ghana. 2000 Ghanaian men thrashed by their wives just last year alone. Their wives probably told them to take the pic and they complied to avoid a beating. |
^^^ "We"? I don't recall you being Nigerian. I also don't know about this claim of Nigerians celebrating being named the happiest people on the planet. All I've heard from fellow Nigerians, in real life and on this board is disbelief and mockery of that claim. The thing is that Nigerians in Nigeria are friendly to strangers and to foreigners especially and probably exude happiness and confidence to foreigners just from their disposition, rather than their actual stance on the progress of their country. I also think the program is pathetically mediocre, however. |
@ X-factoria You apparently posted either a very long response with many links or a very long article, hence the spam blocker banning you when it shouldn't have and not displaying your response. Email the antispam email like it says and you should be unbanned in a few days. Or you can just use a new user name with a different email. Then take the article, and post it in separate (shorter) parts in this thread. |
Katsumoto:I see. So dayokanu is making bets with her because. . .? Clearly not completely out of the picture yet. Her signature says she hearts dayokanu. Who knows what they'll bet on next. . . .Who knows where they'll go from here . . . |
Mobinga:? Is this at me, or the OP? |
^^^^^ rofl Ok, buddy. Abagworo is the king of mischief, Buhari is a feudalistic Northern bigot, and they should have donned Goodluck Jonathan and Amaechi's outfit. Happy now? ![]() |
^^^^ lol So all dreamers have Down's syndrome? Regardless, carpentry is actually a job/work, right? "A carpenter (builder) is a skilled craftsperson who performs carpentry, see also Joiner. Carpenters work with timber to construct, install and maintain buildings, furniture, and other objects. The work may involve manual labor and work outdoors.[1] Carpentry skill is gained through experience and study. Outside of unions, there are no formal training requirements (in the U.S.) and the trade can be easy to enter. In other countries, such as Germany, Japan and Canada there are strict standards." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpentry I don't think predators are usually hired when they apply for work. I certainly wouldn't hire one. ![]() In fact, I think they're supposed to stay at least 200 feet from certain groups. ![]() |
^^^^ rofl ![]() Good job. But I still think a dreamer edges out a predator. Didn't John Nash win a Nobel Prize? I don't know of any predators that have won Nobel Prizes. They usually end up talking with Chris Hansen. ![]() |
I don't see it. "You are a natural predator" (Predator?) "more than a little demanding" (Importunate?) "People sometimes see you as arrogant or a know it all." (Obnoxious?) "You tend to be a bit of a loner, though you hate to be alone." (Desperate?) I don't know about that profile. |
alex101:Not to get involved (I'm not Yoruba or Igbo anyway), but I might as well point out something: "Lagos — A rights group, Human Rights Defenders Network, HURIDEN, has called on the Federal Government to unconditionally release the detained MASSOB leader, Chief Ralph Uwazurike, just as it alleged that his continued detention is politically motivated. It, however, raised alarm over the deteriorating health of Uwazurike, just as it accused a Governor from the South East of allegedly masterminding the continued detention of the MASSOB leader. Also condemning the continued detention of the MASSOB leader, president of the Campaign for Democracy, CD, Dr Joe Okei-Odumakin said "it is glaring that Chief Uwazurike is a victim of political manipulation. He is suffering untold hardship and he is being illegally detained over spurious charges." Addressing newsmen in Lagos, chairman of HURIDEN, Mr Ayodele Akele, alleged that the trial of Mr Uwazurike was politically motivated, noting that his transfer from the Owerri Prison to Kuje Prison, Abuja was a thing of worry." http://allafrica.com/stories/201003240891.html That's all. |
So dayokanu and Katsumoto are your soul mates? Also, "Occasionally, you get quite depressed and have dark feelings." - Visionary Soul is kind of scary. Just pointing that out. ![]() |
How can he produce pictures of an event that he couldn't have been present at unless he was involved with the Nyenweali's court or staff and which has already happened? At least you've dropped the claim about clothing/attire, which you just assumed without knowing the place. I asked you if you were a paid agent because I've never seen someone argue so doggedly and in an such an unyielding manner about injustice with so little to be indignant about. |
[quote author=isale_gan2 link=topic=590933.msg7865710#msg7865710 date=1299527736]Initiation involves you taking this quiz. Painless, as far as initiations go. I'm not promising anything though. ![]() http://www.blogthings.com/whatkindofsoulareyouquiz/ What Kind of Soul are You?[/quote]I got this: You Are a Dreaming Soul Your vivid imagination takes you away from this world So much so that you tend to live in your head most of the time. You have great dreams and ambitions that could be the envy of all, But for you, following through with your dreams is a bit difficult. You are charming, endearing, and people tend to love you. Forgiving and tolerant, you see the world through rose colored glasses. Underneath it all, you are brimming with passion that you keep hidden. Always hopeful, you tend to expect positive outcomes in your life. Souls you are most compatible with: Newborn Soul, Prophet Soul, and Traveler Soul http://www.blogthings.com/whatkindofsoulareyouquiz/results/?result=Dreaming And you? |
^^^ So Abagworo is a liar according to you? So Buhari and Bakare should have dressed traditionally when there is no common attire at the place they are visiting? Are you a paid agent? Just wondering. |
https://www.artlurker.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/1.jpg Relief Plaque with Bird Hunt, Benin – Nigeria ca. 1650 / 17th Century Bronze. 16.9 x 13.3 inches / 43 x 34 cm. Kotalla 03300807. Provenance: Collection Paul Garn. Dresden, Germany. Purchased in 1920/30, Paris. Image courtesy of Wolfgang Roth and Partners Fine Art. |
https://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3793/capturebeninheaddress.jpg Headdress Red phrygian cap with copper elements Kingdom of Benin, Nigeria, Africa Copper, fabric 28,5 x 25 x 31,5 cm, 999 g © Musée du quai Branly, Paris (Photo Patrick Gries) |
Ok. Well I answered your question. You asked what other groups and I told you. Moving on . . . https://wysinger.homestead.com/nigeria_benin_city_earthworks.jpg The Benin Moat Benin City, Edo State, Nigeria The defensive fortification of Benin City, the capital, consisted of ramparts and moats, call iya, enclosing a 4000 square kilometer (2485.5 miles) of community lands. In total, the Benin wall system encompasses over 10,000 kilometres (6213.7 miles) of earth boundaries. They range in size from shallow traces to the immense 20-meter-high rampart (66 feet) around Benin City (Wesler 1998: 144). |
"Nsibidi is an indigenous adaptable and fluid writing system of two dimensional signs, three dimensional forms of pictographs and ideographs and pantomimed gestures. It originated as an esoteric form of knowledge understood by a select group of people mostly members of a secret society in Southeastern Nigeria which some sources link to the Ejagham and later spread to Efik, Igbo, Ibibio, Efut, Annang and Banyang speaking areas. " http://nigerianwiki.com/wiki/Nsibidi |
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), i know many of us won't want any male child to blame us for their failures .


Well Abacha did well by firing him. Abacha should have thrown him in jail as well.
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