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“An early example of such traditions of migration is given by the Sokoto scholar Muhammad Bello, according to whom the Yoruba were 'remnants of the Banu Kan'an, which is the tribe of Nimrud' who had been expelled from Iraq.” - The Oyo Empire: c.1600-c.1836 (1977) by Robin Law. Law's source for this is E.J. Arnett's translation of Rise of the Sokoto Fulani, p.16, which can be found on Thomas Hodgkin's Nigerian Perspectives, p.78

I should point out that the “Yoruba” referred to here are specifically the Oyo, who were known as the Yoruba at that time to others.

As for the meaning of the statement itself, my interpretation is:

Banu Kan'an = Brothers Canaanite = the Canaanites, who are related to or ancestral to the Phoenicians, so he might have been referring to the later remnants of the Phoenicians
Nimrud = Nimrod, the famous early Mesopotamian king, could possibly be related to or the ancestor of the Canaanites/Phoenicians
Iraq = Mesopotamia


But what Mesopotamian characteristics did Oyo have? Is there anything Mesopotamian about Oyo culture and religion? I don’t see anything related there.


For the direct quote:

Bello – The Origins of the Yoruba³

“The country of Yoruba is extensive and has streams and forest and rocks and hills. There are many curious and beautiful things in it. The ships of Christians come there. The people of Yoruba are descended from the Bani Kan'an and the kindred of Nimrud. Now the reason for their having settled in the west according to what we are told is that Ya'rub ibn Qahtan drove them out of 'Iraq to the westwards and they traveled between Misr⁴ and Habash⁵  until they reached Yoruba. It happened that they left a portion of their people in every country they passed. It is said that the Sudanese who live up on the hills are all kindred; so also the people of Yauri are their kindred. The people of Yauri resemble those of Nufe[Nupe] in appearance. In the land of Yoruba are found the birds green in colour which are called 'babgha'' in Arabic and which we call 'Aku'.¹  It is a bird which talks and is beautiful.” - Muhammad Bello, Infaq al-maisur (1812), p. 16. taken from Nigerian Perspectives, 2nd ed. (1975) by Thomas Hodgkin.

Thomas Hodgkin's notes:

3. 'Yoruba' in this context refers specifically to Oyo, not (as in current usage) to the Yoruba-speaking peoples in general.
4. Egypt
5. Ethiopia
1. Parrots.


So this is a journey from Mesopotamia, through Egypt and east Africa all the way to Oyo, Nigeria?

Not all that plausible, really.  


On an unrelated note, the book The Oyo Empire c.1600-c.1836: A West African Imperialism in the Era of the Atlantic Slave Trade by Robin Law is possibly one of the best books ever written on any single African state. It's extremely well researched, masterfully presented, very well-reasoned, balanced, objective, and just a damn good read, overall. It also corrects numerous errors and pieces of political propaganda found in Samuel Johnson's classic History of the Yorubas. A very interesting read on one of the most ambitious West African Empires. I highly recommend the book to anyone interested in African history. I'm not even Yoruba and I read the book and came away thoroughly impressed with the organization and ambition of the empire, and got a better understanding of how and why it ended.



[Edit: After rechecking my source, I see that the Muhammad Bello referenced above is in fact, the same as Sultan Bello. Sorry for the error.]

But this is Nigeria: don't be surprised if she is posted to London, Switzerland or Washington DC! Now here is the take-away: Mrs Bristol was asked to explain the Vienna and Geneva Conventions. All she could say was: "I am confused. I am confused."

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-626495.0.html

Deep Sight:
Pro01 - you display an uncoomon and most rare talent for supreme daftness. Your views on this forum have always been imbecilic in the extreme and inclined towards the most irresponsible championing of mediocrity and imbecilic retardation. With people like you around no country can ever progress. You are a waste of time and space and your education is little better than that of a chimpanzee. You are a disgrace to literacy and you embarrass the very words you utter. I do not believe i have come across a greater m.o.r.o.n than you. I recall your eeediiotic attempts to defend ibori in the past. Son; you are a professional clown.

@ Rossike/ Pharoh: all the above applies in equal measure to you. Both of u were born specifically to be oppressed. Your views are spectacularly silly and betray your low self esteem. You are both worth little more than maggots.

Damn.


That was merciless.

Ah, I see. 

Rick James style. 

Seum:
I agree

"Seum" ?


Really?

Apparently, a new hospital being built in Nigeria is going to be named in honor of Dr. Ben Carson - not because he donated any money or anything like that, but just out of admiration for him and because of the inspiration he has provided to so many aspiring black doctors.

Building an airport in all states at this point is not a good idea and suggests misplaced priorities.

I think he might have come up with this to counter the same earlier claim by the Buhari camp.

Desperate people.

I'm dying of laughter reading through this thread.

Every other response is just hilarious.

Ribadu - policeman
Buhari - soldier
Shekarau - teacher

4 Play:
[size=13pt]The amount of time you spend rolling on the floor, you must be reeking of dirt by now.[/size]

Classic.

When Nigeria gets some other major source of income besides oil, they can treat these militants like ordinary terrorists. Until then, the government is wise to take a cautious approach.

If they had made their compensation requests in cattle, they might actually have had a chance of getting something.

2buff:
lol I'm good tj yourself?   

Hey,

[img]https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?action=dlattach;id=398104;type=avatar[/img]

This thing was in your profile.

What is that on your head?

You look ridiculous.

Obasanjo is right and the reason he feels he can say such is because all those northern bigwigs, including Atiku, funded his campaigns.

However, if he has so much to say about criminality, I wonder why he doesn't respond to these allegations by Col. Umar:

http://www.ocnus.net/artman2/publish/Africa_8/How_Obasanjo_and_Co_Looted_Nigeria_in_8_Years_printer.shtml


Obasanjo is the single largest thief and criminal in Nigerian history.

There are actually lots of African Americans to be "proud of" but most of these would be obscure to the average African or African immigrant. There are also some African Americans that are embarrassing in certain ways and these people are more often in the media and their kind of behavior is very widespread among the average African American in real life, from my experience.

^^^
True.

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=623733.msg7921424#msg7921424 date=1300257717]small protection when there is a clear cut lines between yoruba and benin after you guys have distorted history.I have asked you people to show us where in benin they are buried or were their bodies taken to heaven ?[/quote]It's actually the other way around. You should show where these Benin kings were buried in Ife since you insist upon it. Or do you actually think the Benin royal family is going to commission archaeologists to invade and violate the tombs of their forefathers in Benin just because of some claim about Ife that was cooked up out of thin air?

Here's a description of the burial place of a king of Benin: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-392592.160.html#msg7881337

Here's a picture a 19th century burial place and the shrine around it: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-582176.128.html#msg7866091

I'm not going to continue this argument with you in this thread, because there's already a thread where you can make your views known (preferably in a civil manner), so there's no point discussing this further in this thread.

edoboi:
@physicsMHD, sorry i mis read your post for tewmuch, my Apologia to you. and more grace to your able for defending the truth

Thanks.

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=623733.msg7921359#msg7921359 date=1300256396] Abeg go and ask your semi-god oba to tell you where in benin the past obas are buried cuz I know they used to be taken to ile-ife for burial up to 19 century.[/quote]Are you still on about this?

See here: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-392592.192.html#msg7920811

The claim is a fabrication.



I also have to ask, if Benin was a vassal state to Ife, why did Ife fail to call up their Benin vassals to save them from being ravaged by the Ibadan/Oyo refugees of Modakeke twice during the 19th century? You would think they would be able to get at least a small Benin protection force or something. 

edoboi:
@physicsMHD since you decided to be the Oba's enemy (oghionba), it means I'm not your friend, ask questions from your incorruptible fathers and learn more from my earlier comment, For your information, the Oba of Benin still wield authority in Edo kingdoms, Warri kingdom, Onitsha kingdom, Lagos (eko) kingdom, Asaba and so on. Today the Bukingham palace knows that Benin kingdom is for real and not some child's play monarchical system where the king now jump about looking for government contract or even uses thugs to rig election and beat up their wives in the street like what we see all over many kingdoms in nigeria today

For the part in bold. . . proof?


As for the Oba of Benin being God's representative on earth to Binis, I simply have never heard the claim, so it's just lack of exposure on my part, I guess. But if you think that's what people in Benin believe, and if you think that's what my father believes, and if that's what you believe, you're certainly entitled to your view.

You also didn't apologize for misreading my earlier post where I quoted TewMuch.

Another Nigeria vs. SA thread?

This topic has been thrashed out before.


But just to put in my two cents.


SA has people that speak with tongue clicks. Sorry to say it because I really have nothing against southern Africans, but that sh1t is just comical.


That's far more embarrassing to Africans than the most loud, colorful, overconfident and obnoxious Nigerian anywhere.

Compare the pre-European history of SA with the pre-European history of Nigeria. Some bad aspects and some good aspects in both, of course, but overall Nigeria's is actually worth writing about.

Compare the traditional clothing, compare the average education levels among the black populations, compare the art, compare the impact of the music (with the exception of Miriam Makeba, does anybody outside of SA listen to any other SA music?), etc. . . it goes on and on.

The irony of RSA's (the poster) contempt and hatred for Nigeria is that when Mandela was running from the SA government in 1961, it was Nigeria that kept him safe and hosted him, until he decided to go on the run again and then enter SA in disguise.

"In 1961, the racist government of South Africa and British Intelligence were furiously looking for Nelson Mandela. He was obliged to take refuge in Nigeria, and Zik, the Governor_General, assigned him to live with me at Ikoyi. I was the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Information.

Mandela lived with me at No.5 Okotie -Eboh Street, Ikoyi for more than four months. About the fifth month, Mandela soliloquized openly to my hearing, "for how long must I continue in this hide and seek game. I'd better go back to South Africa to give leadership to the people; if they kill me, my death will inspire the other nationalists to continue the struggle until total victory is won".

That was how he decided to return to South Africa where he was shortly arrested and imprisoned for life." - Mbazulike Amechi

http://allafrica.com/stories/201005171084.html