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wesley80: And you don't see that as too much of a paradox? How can you not be religious but believe in some higher power you don't really know? How do you mange it? Do you consider the term "agnostic" an unpleasant one? That one word wouldve spared you the embarrassment of defining yourself as someone that doesn't really know what to believe!
Maybe fiding out about the early life of TB Joshua would help you understand just how much attention the man has been seeking, BTW he preaches Christ and Salvation - yes I'm a Christian.

Why would you deliberately twist my words?

I said I'm not against belief in God or a higher power. I don't know where you're getting this other stuff from.

I still consider the doom prophecies to be attention seeking. If you don't agree then fine, there's no point in dragging out any argument about that.

@ the OP

Read p. 100-103 of The Struggle for Secession, 1966-1970: A Personal Account of the Nigerian Civil War by Ntieyong U. Akpan and come to your own conclusions.

wesley80: ^ You don't have to be evasive. I only asked you what u thought was fuelling the deception since you could see through it very easily. I'm curious, what's your religious inclination?

I think attention seeking on the part of TB Joshua is fueling the deception.

I'm not religious, but I'm not against belief in God or a higher power. What's your religious inclination?

wesley80: ^ Use your head, I know you're among the lucky ones to have a functional one all I'm asking is that you put it to use. What do you think is fuelling this TB Joshua "deception" that is obvious to PhysicsQED but millions the world over including Presidents of nations can't see? If you're as smart as you think, you've got an opportunity to win someone over and the first step I assure you isn't pointing me to some poorly researched Sahara Reports based articles.

lol, so if some presidents approve of TB Joshua while some other people condemn him, I should automatically assume that those that approve of him are seeing things rightly because they're presidents? Everyone has the right to free speech, but attention seeking with prophecies of imminent disaster that don't help anyone qualifies him as a prophet of doom and I don't know why you're denying that.

How many "millions the world over" are fans of TB Joshua by the way?

That sounds awful. I hope that trend doesn't spread.

wesley80: That the best you could do? Was this how you got to know so much about the ancient Benin Empire - by reading two random articles from foreign news sources?

So do I have to get 20 articles from Nigerian news sources stating that, whatever good aspects it may have, there's definitely something seriously wrong with his organization before it's believable to you?

Iruenabere is an Ijaw. Anyway, there were obviously more than two people involved in coordinating this.

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Good news.

ekt_bear: Pure mathematicians, I guess my conception of them is people who work on relatively obscure problems in math that have absolutely no immediate application or use.

Statistics is a bit different...even a theoretical statistics paper which for example proves that "procedure X is asymptotically consistent under the following conditions", well, that is kind of immediately useful, since it means that procedure X behaves well as you give it more data. Which of course is useful to anyone who is using procedure X to solve a real problem.

Yeah, you're right. I think the big overlap between probability theory and theoretical statistics was what misled me there.

ekt_bear: Statistics isn't really a branch of pure math.

Probability is, yes. Statistics is more applied math.

True, but many areas of pure math will eventually find some application - there's even applied number theory. So it's not like the line between pure and applied will always be so distinct. I'm sure there are some areas of probability that haven't found an application yet, but I'm not sure that will always be the case.

ishmael: Hey man don't get angry now. We've been on this debate peacefully without any problems. We all argue to know more and to know better. I did'nt want to tell u this before; i'm enjoying this debate and i'm of course learning more from ur points. I' ve told u now, so let's go on.

Well, I don't agree with the notion that statistics has stopped being a branch of pure math, even if many modern of uses of statistics may be heavily dependent on computers. I don't think there's much more that needs to be said besides that.

ishmael: I've confirmed that long ago. U do google 'statistics', confirm and come back and edit ur post.

The problem here is that you just don't know what you're talking about and want to argue blindly. This is becoming a waste of time. Later.

killayut: Warri people even use Kalabari words in their pidgin... the word kurusu which mean Canon used in WARRI in their pidgin is pure Kalabari.. Kurusu is Canon in Kalabari BUT kalabari people will not even say Kurusu when speaking pidgin.they say Canon.. In warri they also use the word Koso for the game Top and KOSO is a KALABARI top game where they use a type of Sea shell, carved specially and spinned, while it is spinning you cut the base to tumble tthe shell.If it tumbles upside down and rests with the cone side you win and play again..Warri use it in their pidgin and the KALABARIS DO NOT EVEN USE IT IN PIDGIN but It is a KALABARI game. WARRI is not even mentioned in the TRADING STATES OF NIGER DELTA history.. Meaning there was perhaps no WARRI even at that time. WARRI STARTED WHEN pORT HARCOURT was founded. There was no WARRI in The 15th century.

Gaspar Cao visited Warri in 1555 (mid-16th century) and soon after the king's son was converted to Christianity. Are you suggesting that it was necessarily only around only after the 15th century just because it isn't mentioned significantly in one particular book on the trading states of the area that became the eastern region of Nigeria? That's a pretty weak argument.

Anyway, there are Ijaws in and near Warri and the Kalabari are Ijaw so it's not that surprising that there are some similarities here and there.

killayut: Juju is a Kalabari word... when some one looks or behaves stupid and seems to be confused he or she is in a state of Juju. The real word is djoodjoo.. During JAZZ session which is also a KALABARI spiritism session, They chant to invoke the spirit and do libation with strong alcohol locally brewed called kaikai. The chant or music played make certain people be possessed .WHEN THAT happens then the person has started to djoodjoo... The act of making that happen is what they call to DO DJOODJOO hence to conjure JUJU..It is the original KALABARI culture mainly by the SEKI APU or AKASO cult but also by other water spirit worshipers. To do Juju was from that ceremony.

"World’s Greatest Dictionary Still Gives Wrong Source

The Oxford English Dictionary maintains an old British racist etymology that they seem wedded to, even in the face of modern comparative linguistic evidence from the study of African etymology. The OED still claims the word juju was made up by Africans repeating a French nursery word for toy, namely joujou. This French word is an example of the reduplication of a root that occurs in many Western languages’ nursery words. Jou is the singular imperative of jouer ‘to play.’ So the word for toy means literally ‘play, play’, precisely what a parent offering an infant a new toy might have said long ago. Compare for similarity in using reduplication the English nursery toilet words: poopoo, kaka and doodoo.

Surprise! There is an African Origin of This African Word!

The problem is: there is a perfectly cogent African etymology for the word. Consider the Hausa word for fetish or bad spirit, djudju, with its root not in French. O, for goodness’ sake, wake up, OED! The word was on African tongues centuries before French imperialists showed up in Africa to mess everything up! Hausa, by the way, is one of the principal languages of Nigeria, spoken by nearly twenty million people there, one-fifth of the population. It is also the language of an additional three million people in Niger. Hausa is a Chadic language in the Afro-Asiatic language family. The word juju was noted in English as long ago as 1894 in a book about West Africa.

In the Yoruba language jù means ‘to throw.’ The general West African root is the Chadic etymon ju ‘throw,’ so that juju is ‘throw-throw’ because the amulet was tossed by the witch doctor or thrown from hand to hand as he induced the powerful spirit to enter the object. Then the fetish was thrown on the ground in front of the person seeking a magically charged object. The witch doctor also throws the juju power into a waiting object with his potent spell. If it were a fortune telling, the sorcerer foretold his fate from the way the juju landed in front of the fortune-seeker. For other nefarious purposes, the seeker might also take the object away and use it to perform evil upon another person."

ishmael: if u want to tell us the relationship btw physics and CS pls do, but don't try to say statistics has no relationship with CS. In the university then, we had a lab equipped with computers for stats computing, but never had any computers in physics labs for computing. This should tell u something about who uses computer more in their work.

Why does it matter whether your particular school had computers or not in the physics lab classes you took? That's irrelevant.

The point is there are areas of physics - such as nuclear physics or solid state physics - where computational physics often plays a pretty big role but no one uses that to argue that physics is really that close to computer science because they know it's not and that computer science is rooted more in pure math and logic.

ishmael: Sorry u're still living in the past. [size=15pt]Statistics has stopped being a branch of mathematics[/size]. Statistics is a mathematical science that stands on its own now, and statistical computing is very significant to statisticians. Pls use 'google' to confirm this.

Statistics is still very much a branch of mathematics, please use Google to confirm.

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ishmael: Always read well before u attack. No one is saying that statisticians built the first computer, No. One of the reasons for inventing computers and one of the first uses of computer was for handling and processing statistical data, Yes.

No. Computers were not originally built to "handle and process statistical data" but just to perform any very complex or tedious calculation. This is pretty obvious whether one is talking about Babbage's "Difference Engine" or the ENIAC.

ishmael: what then have we been arguing about? And is statistical computing not the application of computer science in statistics? Is there not where the intersection btw both field is? Pls try and read more about statistical computing.

Is "quantum computing not the intersection between both fields" (physics and computer science)?

"Is computational physics not the intersection between both fields" (physics and computer science)?


You see how irrelevant your question is now?

ishmael: Not in today's world of modern technology. U don't need to be a guru in programming or computer to study statistics, but u need knowledge of computer to be able to work as a statistician today. That is why computing is now an integral part of statistics.

Statistics is a branch of pure mathematics. It's not inherently necessary for computing to be an integral part of it.

I'm not sure if it's really just a coincidence that most actual Africans seem to be far less interested in the physical features of these people than non-Africans.

It seems that many pages of this thread do confirm the opening post of the thread.

Among the "biggest" not among the "best."

Maybe someday it can be the among the best though.