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aishatua1: Italian writer held over murder of Nigerian prostitute Anthonia Egbuna in Italy

An Italian man has been arrested over the murder of a Nigerian prostitute after police searching her apartment found a short story he wrote with close similarities to the killing.

Police in the northern Italian city of Turin discovered the nine-page story entitled "The Rose and the Lion" among the belongings of Anthonia Egbuna, whose body was fished out of the river Po in February. Anthonia had been stabbed to death.

"He loved her and he loved her more every day, but she did not want to leave the streets. All his efforts to convince her to change her life had failed. And for this reason she had become his torturer," reads an excerpt of the story quoted by police.

Source: Reuters

http://lindaikeji..com/2012/08/italian-writer-held-over-murder-of.html

Wow. "Basic Instinct" indeed. Very movie-like.

Fulaman198: It's not as bad as Westerners want to make people believe. I would rather believe a person/people from Mali (Afel Bocoum and Ali Farka Toure) than Westerners who like to bad mouth Africa/Africans all the time.

According to Ali Farka Toure, Malians are very self-sufficient hard-working people, especially those who live on the banks of the Niger river. They use the water to grow their crops (in arenas near Timbukutu (like Niafunke)). Also many of the ethnic groups that inhabit that region (Dogon, Songhai, Fulani) are also Fishermen (although most Fulani people there are herdsmen.)

I really think there's more to the food crises (this current one isn't the first one) in Mali and in the Sahel in general than it just being due to what Westerners are saying. From what I've read it really does seem to be a serious problem, although it possibly does not affect as many people as is being reported. Drought, locusts and deserts are pretty big obstacles and I do think they need to get as many agricultural experts (experts in traditional and Western agricultural techniques) as they can involved in tackling the situation.

Most of Mali is desert. They certainly do have starvation/hunger problems and maybe some "western" agronomic education could help fix that. Maybe.

I think if Nigeria had state police, they could probably recruit and train more scrupulous police officers and also hold the police more accountable to the citizens of the state. Fashola and others that have been recently promoting the old idea of state police in Nigeria have the right idea. Nigeria needs to catch up with the rest of the world and get state police.

Why does it have to be "covert ops" and "the U.S."?

How about homegrown balkanization of Nigeria?

oyb: in the nigerian context, accidental discharge is always an excuse for shooting someone to death -

in the wiki description, it is usually during training or due to malfunction

what does it take to carry a weapon with the safety on when you are not in a live war zone?

Oh. Yeah, well they kill people for no justifiable reason every once in a while in the US, but they don't claim it's "accidental discharge." They just call it an accidental shooting or claim the victim tried to kill them. Or they "sprinkle some crack on him and get out there" if they're really crooked.

Didn't the Nigerian police force recently introduce rubber bullets under GEJ? If that is implemented at least there will be some improvement.

oyb: doesn't quite apply

What do you mean? Was there some other meaning you had in mind when you referenced "accidental discharge" in the Nigerian context?

ACM10: You can't be serious! Nigerian policemen serving under UN in Congo DR were indicted in raape cases. They were subsequently expelled. Nigerian police has acted dishonourably on a countless of occasions and has been an embarrassment on the international scene.

Can you post a link to the story?

I only ask because although some rap[i]e[/i]s in DR Congo aren't even reported, some other claims are actually made up (shocking, I know, but they do it to receive free treatments).

ayox2003: What ? ? ? ? !!!!

Just saying. Messed up cop behavior happens everywhere. People commenting here are probably right that the ones in Nigeria are worse on average than in most other places though. There's just too much testimony in support of that to ignore it.

oyb: it is only in nigeria you will hear words like

accidental discharge
the police was on illegal duty

Actually, "accidental discharge" is pretty standard police jargon. You'll hear it in America too.

Don't know what the second phrase is supposed to mean.

killayut, can you point me to an actual historical reference to this 'Diego Sam' who apparently visited Calabar in 1493?

I would like to see a real legitimate reference from a source that was written and published before the colonization of Nigeria.

Hmmm. . .

http://www.policemisconduct.net/

http://policethugs.com/

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dustydee: It is, in my opinion, the South that is not as tolerant as some parts of the North. For example, in my state (NIger) and some states in the North, there are people from different parts of the country that work in the state civil service which is virtually impossible in the south except for Lagos and probably a few south east states. The SS I am pretty sure will not allow me to work in their civil service even if I was born there.

And you reached this conclusion how? Did you carry out some kind of study?

Maybe you should indicate which part or parts of the "South South" you're referring to, because it certainly doesn't apply to my state.

9ja voice: http://www.vanguardngr.com/2010/02/how-the-colonial-masters-empowered-the-north-%E2%80%94-chief-mbazulike-amechi/

read this and you will never like this bill.

but all the sAme the bill is dead and gone.

Well I've read it, and in fact I just quoted it in my last post, and I think that if the bill can be used to make Nigerians stop discriminating against others on the basis of ethnic origin, then it should be passed.

"You mentioned Umaru Altine, the first Lord Mayor of Enugu. Many people just mention the name but they don’t know how a Fulani man became the first Mayor of Enugu. Can you explain it? These days, people are harassed and killed in parts of the country, and they have no right to be elected or get jobs outside their states of origin, especially in the North?

It will interest you to know that Malam Umaru Altine was not appointed. He was elected Mayor of Enugu two times. Malam Umaru Altine was the Vice Chairman of the NCNC Youth Association at Enugu. He identified with the NCNC as a political party. During elections NCNC decided to nominate him at Coal Camp where he lived. He contested and won the election in the same manner as we did that kind of thing in many places. After what happened at Ibadan and the crisis it precipitated in the East, Altine was fully involved with us. He was arrested with me as I told you, and we were imprisoned together. That was in 1952. I shared the same prison cell with him and one Ernest Obianwu and one Akunne Nwanolue, and one Okeke, a blacksmith from Awka.Later, one M. E. Ogon from Ogoja later came and joined us. When Altine won the election, we decided that this man did not see himself as a Fulani man but a nationalist. And we NCNC we believe in one Nigeria. So, let him be the Mayor of Enugu. In the same manner, John Umoru, from Etsako in today’s Edo State which was then in the Western Region, was presented by the NCNC as a candidate for the House of Assembly, and he won to represent Port Harcourt in the Eastern Nigerian House of Assembly. Later, Zik appointed him as Parliamentary Secretary to the Premier. That was the way we saw Nigeria at that time. When the Eastern House of Chiefs was constituted Malam Umaru Yushau, the Sarkin Hausawa or chief of the Hausas at Onitsha, was elected as a member of the Eastern House of Chiefs. He was there until the military coups of 1966.I must mention that a year or two before the coup, the Sardauna of Sokoto and Premier of Northern Region, reciprocated our gesture by appointing one Felix Okonkwo, then known as “Okonkwo Kano”, as a special member of the Northern House of Chiefs. He was the leader of the Igbo State Union, which was very strong. It had Igbo State primary and secondary schools everywhere, including the North." - Chief Mbazulike Amechi

This happened elsewhere as well. For example, Chike Nwafor Ekwuyasi was elected to represent Benin in the Western House of Assembly in the 50s even though he was born in another area. I think that if not for the events of the 60s, Nigerians would have eventually got over this settler/indigene thing or they would have at least made much more progress on it than they have today.

ndu_chucks: It might interest you to note that ALL official data collecting forms in Nigeria asks the question, "State of Origin?"

Also the Federal Character commission has the constitutional powers to work out an equitable formula subject to the approval of the National Assembly for the distribution of all cadres of posts in the public service of the Federation and of the States, the armed forces of the Federation, the Nigeria Police Force and other government security agencies, government owned companies and parastatals of the states;


The commission will never OK a person named Okechukwu to represent Sokoto state or one named Dantata to represent Bayelsa state, for obvious reasons. This constitutional amendment will eliminate the associated problems with the federal character phenomenon, particularly the one which allows incompetent people to be appointed to very important posts because of their states of origin.

All well meaning Nigerians welcome this constitutional amendment except the narrow minded among us.

Well that's just the thing. From what you just said, the issue is the misinterpretation of the laws as saying something about ethnicity or where one's parents were from 100 years ago or something. I really doubt that there is any Nigerian law that makes any ethnic provisions. It seems clear that the existing laws are meant to allow states to get "equal representation" (however exactly that is determined), not ethnic groups. Because certainly there is NOT equal or proportional representation of ethnic groups across all branches of the civil service or the armed forces.

The issue seems to be de facto practices causing the problem, not de jure. If some law can be applied to curb or stop outright the tendencies of Nigerians to "never OK a person named Okechukwu to represent Sokoto" or "one named Dantata to represent Bayelsa" even when there is nothing in the existing law to support such tendencies then that law should be passed and applied immediately. If this indigene bill could somehow do that, then it's a good move forward.

ACM10: Yes!
They recognize "state of origin" which is the same thing as "indigene", but does not recognize "settler".

Well which specific laws actually say anything about state of origin? And what stops a person from identifying their state of longest residence as their state of origin?

I guess what I'm getting at is de jure vs. de facto practices.

Hmmm. . .