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emöfine2: But in the case where morality is ascribed a governor - a deity - if one's god was said to order his/her adherent to commit an act that in the process will undermine a particular moral code.....does that particular commandment at that requested time become a temporary virtue or is such a believer compelled to place loyalty over morality....This is one of the things that has always bothered me about the story where Abraham was about to sacrifice his son Isaac. This is the first time I've seen the issue that was bothering me expressed so clearly though. I know it was just a test of loyalty, but at the same time you have to wonder why Abraham was loyal when what he was being ordered to do was no less evil than what other "gods" made their followers do. What happened to his morality in that period of time when he resolved to go through with the sacrifice? This story is just one of the multiple screwed up stories in the Bible, with the story of Job being another. |
I didn't "start" anything. I expressed my viewpoint and if you have an issue with it, that's your own problem. lol @ "There are two races of people in Nigeria - Yoruba and others". I'm sure there are definitely people in other parts of the country that feel the same way about their own group.Dudu Negro: I have no time for scholastic exercise in Nairaland.lol, because your constitutional review thread is suddenly going to affect what happens in the real world? I think you do have some time. |
Dudu_Negro: There is no amount of exhaustive genetic studies with profoundly convincing data and evidence that will turn Europe away from its position on Egypt.Perhaps this is true, but I would like massive evidence to exist "just for the record". Europeans will not always determine how history is written. |
Dudu_Negro: Physics,And you would accuse me of having ulterior motives. I thought you were making some effort to analyze issues objectively and dispassionately but it seems you only brought up Edo to concoct some ludicrous theory about the same Benin monarchy that seems to be giving you restless nights.First, you had some weird theory of an Igbo conspiracy to "successfully get Itsekiri severed from Edo state but also cut off Edo from the coastal waters and resources of the Delta basin" which was so bizarre that I couldn't be bothered to comment on it and I just dismissed it as what should be expected from you given your unyielding ethnic bias against certain groups. Next you had the following theory: "There is no reason why Edo state could not have extended down to the coast and included Warri. That way you will have Itsekiri, Bini, Edo, Isoko, Urhobo all in one state. No doubt based on the idea that all of the groups mentioned here were interested in forming a large state which specifically excluded Ijaw and Anioma. How you can just assume that this is the case, I don't know. I don't think the groups have any issues which each other, but it doesn't automatically follow that they would just merge by sheer thought or will. Can Ekiti and Ondo merge today by sheer will so that Ekiti is not landlocked? Can Lagos and Ogun merge by mere will? People have to go around campaigning for such things. Then you tried to concoct some story of the Edo isolating themselves when even a little bit of familiarity with the issue would show that the Edo were never interested in having Bendel state split in the first place. How a group which was not interested in being split from its southern neighbors in Delta (including Itsekiri) to begin with was supposedly isolating themselves is hard to comprehend but I'm sure you'll cook up something to justify your claim that they "successfully campaigned to get Edo state." Perhaps there were some people in Delta that were bothered that the governors were always from the northern part of Bendel, and there may have been some minor agitation from Delta, but certainly nobody in the present Edo state asked to be excised from Bendel. I showed from a link that the one Benin man that was in a position to influence how states were created (Omoruyi) wanted Itsekiri in the same state as Benin and that he has never received an explanation for why they weren't from his boss - I suspect that one explanation is the designation of Itsekiri as "Yoruboid" leading some people in government to assume that they would be out of place in an "Edoid" state, but that may not be the only reason. The various land disputes and court cases between Itsekiri and other groups (Urhobo and Ijaw) may have been further exacerbated by trying to pick which land is Itsekiri land to put in Edo state. Who would want to entangle themselves in that dispute, start picking through British treaties, and then have to deal with the backlash and fallout? Then I showed that this same man did not get any part of the coast into Edo state from his dictator oga, IBB when they decided to split Bendel and his Edowa plan was rejected and that other Edo people are also bothered by this. Even a tiny sliver of land into the coast would have been okay, but he didn't do it. Maybe after the Edowa plan was rejected, there were some constraints on him as far as what Edo state could be, maybe there really was no way to get any part of the coast into Edo, but to date he has not given an explanation for this. Yet you think the lack of a coast is something that "they were not able to see". It was something Omoruyi was not able to see if indeed it never occurred to him or there were no hold-ups. Incidentally, the fact that you think Benin controlled the commerce on coastal land is surprising. Ughoton is not really on the coast nor is Gelegele. There were groups on the coast that were tributary to Benin at different times, but that is not the same thing as directly controlling the commerce on coastal land. On the opposition from Benin traditional leaders specifically, you could have just asked. Why did the Iyase, S.O Ighodaro, and other Benin chiefs oppose Itsekiri being in the same state with the them? It probably goes back to an impression that some Itsekiri played a major part in "betraying" Benin back in 1896 (leading to the British invasion of 1897) by repeatedly complaining to the British about Benin supposedly closing trade (which was the cause of 1896 British designs to invade Benin even before their messenger/captain was killed). Oba Ovonramwen even went so far as to tell the British that 'the whole palaver came from the Jekri (Itsekiri) people' and when the British were advancing on Benin, some Itsekiris were allegedly being killed (according to the British anyway) forming part of the killing that gained the city the name "City of Blood". Whether the Benin people of back then were right to think the Itsekiri played a role in British aggression is another issue entirely and not really a significant one - my view is that Chief Dogho is the only person that could be blamed for misrepresenting Benin to the British and not the Itsekiri in general and that it didn't matter what any Itsekiri leaders did as Benin was definitely going to be invaded anyway no matter what anyone did. That said, the two ethnic groups and kingdoms are definitely connected and I doubt that there are any Edo or Itsekiri anywhere today that have any issue with or complaints against the other ethnic group. There was no agenda of deliberate isolation by the Edo - who were never interested in the creation of Edo state from Bendel in the first place. |
Dudu_Negro: . . . .another evidence in the palm of your hand and you are still refusing to let go of your bias. Humble yourself my brother and move away from Eurocentric myths on white civilizations.I'm not sure you understood my comment. The reason any debate persists is because the modern Egyptians that don't look "black" are always being tied in one way or another to to the ancient Egyptians. If the genetic evidence - not the other evidence, which is not always unambiguous enough - from the actual ancient Egyptians becomes overwhelming then the whole debate will stop. I do not think 3 limited studies are sufficient to conclude anything and for one of these studies (the Dakhlet oasis study) to claim that the "subsaharan" (read: black African) component of the DNA is younger rather than older (although the study is of individuals who lived at a late time in Egypt's history), and when yet another study (the 2012 DnaTribes analysis of Amarna pharaohs referred to by Taharqa) is inconclusive at best (http://hamiticunion.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=38) on "what" they actually were, it makes little sense to think that more evidence is not needed. If more genetic studies on the ancient Egyptians give a clear and unambiguous profile of them, then the issue will die down. As of right now, the information is too slim. |
ayobase: I sincerely respect ur opinion without ambiguity!It's not about not believing in a system that punishes wickedness. It's just that I don't have any particular reason to believe in the hell concept. If there are other cultures that believe in it - including other African cultures - they're welcome to believe in it, but I don't like how the threat of hell coming from certain religions is helping keep a culturally foreign religion permanently in place and helping it spread in Africa. And fear that one will be punished is admittedly useful in avoiding wicked acts/choices, but don't you think it's better to be genuinely and naturally considerate, kind, righteous and upstanding than to be so mostly out of fear of punishment? Isn't learning and understanding the worth of good morals and behavior better when I'm learning because I want to morally improve just for the inherent worth of doing so rather than learning mostly to spare my soul from punishment? |
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emöfine2: Once again I appreciate your insightful contributions PhysicsQED and I agree with much of what you’ve written. I’m quite fascinated with the suggestion of using music as a tool to re-establish African faiths.Thanks. One of the reasons for suggesting using music to revitalize interest in indigenous religions is because of what I've seen just from looking at the Rastafari movement and the associated music. The main idea of the Rastafari movement - that one particular 20th century monarch of the Solomonic dynasty of Ethiopia is a deity - is something that would sound very strange to most people, but then again it's not really more bizarre than some of the specific claims in the Abrahamic religions which the Rastafari movement is tied to. This is a movement which on the surface should never have had more than a few hundred adherents, being totally new and being in the western world surrounded by Christianity, but the quality of the music that often promotes the lifestyle and beliefs of the Rastafaris is so great that I wouldn't be surprised if more people became Rastas because of great reggae artists than because of the cannabis. They took the local reggae music and used it to promote their beliefs and to some extent they were successful. There may not be that many Rastafaris, but there are enough that one can say that their success is definitely out of proportion to the age of their movement and the amount of writings promoting their beliefs. The music really does seem to be a big factor. shymmex: @Physics1. You mean stuff like this or this? I honestly can't think of any musicians (excluding death metal, horrorcore stuff, which I don't listen to anyway and don't even care about) that seriously seem to be trying to promote any diabolical agenda in their music or videos. Maybe Odd Future identifies with "secret" societies the way they identify with a whole bunch of other stuff people see as bad, vile and evil as part of their style/gimmick, but I doubt that they're actually part of anything - it's probably just part of their weirdness. I think people are reading too much into coincidences in most cases, although I do sometimes wonder whether the artists are trying to provoke the conspiracy theories themselves. I think a few musicians might be Freemasons, in which case they wouldn't necessarily be affiliated with the Illuminati if it existed, or necessarily even part of a society that's hidden from the public. The only explanation I can see for becoming a mason in the first place would be that being a Freemason might provide additional business connections that could further one's career - otherwise I don't really see the point. And I wouldn't be surprised if it's not the musicians that people think are masons that are actually masons. When you see people like Kanye West saying that they "sold their soul to the devil" and also using all sorts of weird visual and verbal imagery one does wonder whether they're really just talking about losing their morals, but if you think about it some more, wouldn't a real member of a secret society that was trying to push some bad agenda be much more subtle about what they're doing? 2. On the Illuminati, I don't know too much about it beyond what comes up from a simple search. I don't think some powerful super-conspiratorial secret society is out to control the entire world and I think the talk surrounding the society is basically all exaggeration/hype. But if there really was such a society, and their members were carrying out their duties well, I wouldn't be able to confirm whether they really existed anyway. Considering that the Bilderberg group meetings are known about and they don't try to hide the fact that they're holding closed meetings from the public and they still reach whatever supposedly world-affecting decisions they reach after their meetings, I wonder why some supposed super-cult would need to engage in decades (or centuries, in some accounts) of cloak-and-dagger secrecy in order to influence world events and promote a certain agenda. I think that in almost all cases it's just hype from dedicated conspiracy theorists. |
Idi-Amin:The real problem here is that you're completely spoiling the child. No child should be paid just to clean up his own home. |
Dede1: I do not know where got the idea that since NCNC came across as a party with national coverage all local/independent parties automatically being subsumed under it. After all, Niger Delta Congress in eastern region contested under the platform of NPC. Some memebers of Urhobo Progressive Union also contested elections under the umbrella of Action Group.There was nothing mandating political parties to ally with the three larger parties before the elections because of the size of those parties or because those parties claimed to have "national coverage" (however that term is defined exactly). They allied with the larger political parties at different times as they deemed fit for their own benefit. You are the one claiming that "national coverage" (which has yet to be defined) of the large parties made local parties automatically have to have their members run "under the platform" of one the large parties in order to win an election - essentially asserting that certain political parties were automatically and arbitrarily given an advantage over all other political parties even before the election happened. Ighodaro was never a member of the NCNC just as some other members of local political parties were not members of the NCNC, AG, or NPC in other regions. I do not see what obligation he had to opt for the NCNC. [The NDC allied with the NPC in 1959 and we are talking of 1951. I don't know what relevance that has any way as my point is about the fact that the larger parties didn't have some mandatory predetermined advantage before the election happened.] |
Dede1: What made you think I could believe an iota of your posts when you had issues with the plight of Ighodaro in crossing to AG and NCNC as a party with national coverage?You don't understand my point. NCNC having national coverage does not somehow force all local or independent parties to join it. The NPC didn't have "national coverage", but that didn't stop them from winning the places that they won for their party, so what part of your claim makes sense? |
Dede1: NCNC was the only political party touted as national party or party with national and international coverage in the ear in discuss. It is unfortunate that someone, due to ethnic or tribal inducement, seemed to tarnish such reputation.The NCNC and its members were definitely a credit to the nation in the pre-independence era, especially for their non-ethnic/regional orientation. I have no problem with the NCNC. I just was not satisfied with your explanation for your claim because it does not seem to make sense that a party's great national spread necessitates all local/independent parties automatically being subsumed under it. If you have a better explanation for your claim please provide it. |
Dede1: I am not interested in any form of debate with the followers of hack writers who were clearly enemies of Biafra over the military assault on Ubani (Bonny) which originated from Escravos, Mid-western region. Some players in the theater of the war such Adaka Boro who was involved in the amphibious operation on Bony were trained in Escravos.I've looked up the part in bold and the only thing I could find on it were that Ijaws from what is now Rivers state were briefly trained in Escravos before joining in the assault on Bonny by Nigerian soldiers in 1967. In light of that, why do you continue to promote this story of some mass recruitment of every non-Igbo ethnic group in the Midwest from Urhobo right on down to Ososo at Escravos? |
Dede1: Please read what I wrote to comprehend properly. To the best of my knowledge, Otu Edo was a cultural organization that had political ramification as well. Since it was not a political party or a party with national coverage, the members contested under the chosen platform of NCNC. It is also my understanding that Otu Edo may choose to contest on the platform of other party than NCNC.Well your understanding is wrong. Where are you getting that all the members contested "under the chosen platform of NCNC"? I would hazard a guess that there was a general understanding that somebody who was a member of Otu Edo would not go for the AG over the NCNC because of the origins of Otu Edo and what motivated its formation, but a general understanding is not the same thing as an actual agreement. The only things I have come across which could even imply what you've written above are those writings which falsely claim that Otu Edo was some sort of local branch of the NCNC. I don't know how a local party is supposed to have national coverage and I also don't understand how a local party can be excluded from running and capturing its local area on the basis of not being part of an allegedly larger party which allegedly has "national coverage". You're claiming that local parties could not win areas unless they affiliated with a "party with national coverage" (how does one define national coverage? Did the NPC have national coverage in the south? Did the NCNC have national coverage outside of the East and West?) beforehand? |
Dede1: You really disappointed me with this post. Do you tend to tell me you hedged your facts on a link to a posted by someone who could not discern the difference between 1967 and 1968? One of the glaring stupidity or highlight in the post was citing a division (army unit) from Lagos Garrison Organization which is not up to battalion.You seem convinced that attacks were launched from Escravos before the Midwestern invasion by Biafra - I've never seen proof of this. I'm not sure whether I really care. The claim that Gowon recalled two battalions from Bonny to Escravos in 1967 is also contained in Obasanjo's book My command (1980). If you have an issue with this, then you should provide legitimate sources stating otherwise. Like I said, I don't even care that much about the "soldiers went from Escravos to Bonny rather than Bonny to Escravos" claim from you. What I really want to see, and what you continue to fail to provide evidence of is this "massive recruitment of every non-Igbo ethnicity in the Midwest whose names I can remember prior to the Midwest invasion" story. |
Dede1, Otu Edo was in alliance with the NCNC after 1951, right? So what's your issue with S.O. Ighodaro again? We both know the Edo (Bini) people expected him to opt for the NCNC as that was the preferred national party in that area from what people have written but failing to live up to other people's preconceived notions or letting down their expectations is quite a different thing from actually violating a pre-existing agreement of some sort. Despite what you may have read, Otu Edo was not formed as some sort of "subsidiary" of the NCNC but as its own party - and try to remember what happened between the Otu Edo and their ally, the NCNC, in 1964. The same Otu Edo almost entered into an alliance with the NPC after that squabble, but people are supposed to believe that it was some kind of "local branch" of the NCNC rather than a local party that could go with whoever? That it entered into a long alliance with the NCNC at a later date does not mean that when elections were held in 1951 every member of the Otu Edo was part of the NCNC. |
pazienza: Can you post the source of this your information?https://www.nairaland.com/945502/nigeria-break-up-2015/13#10923238 |
pazienza: Stop your fabrications,dede had proved time and time again that the nigerian soldiers that attacked bonny( biafra) from escravos,where made up of western and mid western elements,and that attack came before biafra's match to ore...What Dede1 did there was to deliberately mix up events with his own embellishments added on and keep repeating the same story so many times that almost nobody bothered to check if it were true. Nigerian soldiers attacked Bonny. A group of these soldiers were then redeployed to Escravos instead after Biafra's invasion of the midwest. That's what actually happened. Dede1 has never proven his "massive midwestern recruitment pre-Biafra's invasion of the midwest" story and seems totally unwilling to do so despite repeated requests for such information. |
Taharqa, thanks for the info and the links. Hopefully someday more direct evidence can be obtained that is less ambiguous in meaning than what is available now. |
The forbes claim on Ghana was countered/debunked back when this actually came out, though I'm having trouble finding the article again. |
ACM10: GOWONIf you understood how strong the desire was to see the eastern region of nigeria divided among some people from the eastern region of nigeria, perhaps you would understand the meaning and significance of this quote. Mr Elaigwu is basically providing "evidence" (as if more were really necessary) of the support the move to divide the east had among some of those actually from the east. Dede1 did much more than claim easterners went to fight against Biafra (which is obvious) in 1967 however and his specific claim has yet to be substantiated. |
Kobojunkie: Fact is you are clueless . There is no such thing as "public" asset declaration, there is only asset declaration of which the only form remains FORM CCB1. The problem has yet to turn in his FORM CCB1 for 2011, that is why SERAP and everyother person out there who knows what the constitution says is up in alms about this.You are a complete and total dumbass. I don't have time for you again so I'm not going to comment beyond this, but I'll just state how shocked I am that you can even return to this issue after the correction you received in that other thread. It's really pathetic. |
Dudu Negro, I'm not going to comment on all that you've written on Edo state right now, but I think you should read the following three writings: http://www.waado.org/organizations/uhs/debates/edowa/Omoruyi_EDOWA.htm http://www.waado.org/organizations/uhs/debates/edowa/ekeh_edowa.html http://www.waado.org/organizations/uhs/debates/edowa/PorbeniResponseOnEdowa.html I don't necessarily agree with any of these writings 100%, but I just think you should note that Omo Omoruyi is an Edo (Bini) man. I'm not really a fan of Omoruyi at all and it should be noted that if any southerner can be blamed for Edo state not having a direct sea outlet it would be an Edo man: http://edoglobalorganization.org/Publications%20pdf/2002-2006/Dear%20Prof.pdf Sometimes the wrong members of one's ethnic group get in positions of influence/power. It happens to every group. |
This is an old article and it was criticized when it came out although I don't have the link to the rebuttal (with regard to Ghana) handy. |
The 2nd and 3rd Divisions of the Nigerian army of 1966 were swelled by officers and ranks drawn from Yoruba, Edo, Itsekiri. Ishan, Urhobo, Ejagam, Ijo and Efik peeps in a calculated anticipation of invasion of Biafra by Nigeria.Last time I asked for a source of verification for a claim which was similar to this one I was told to go and ask the Nigerian army. When I asked how exactly I should get such information confirming the particular claim from the Nigerian army, I met a wall of silence. Let's hope it's different this time. Dede1, since you have a database/lists, and this database is probably the basis of the "educated assumption" that the above is true, can you just give direct evidence of this from your lists so that you won't be questioned about this claim's veracity in the future? |
These kinds of discussions go back to the same stuff, over and over again, with both sides talking past each other and with old stories being repeated time and again. At a certain point I imagine it must get boring. Dede1, I noticed you didn't answer my follow up question and seem to be ignoring it. Well if you can at least explain in very simple and clear terms why you are under the impression that in 1951, the candidates of every party everywhere had to run "under the platform" (whatever that means exactly) of some (presumably) larger party, I would appreciate it. |
This is off topic, but what does the Yoruba name "Omokanye" mean? Anyone? Just curious. |
When I read the thread title I just burst out laughing for a good half a minute. ![]() What sort of ridiculous title is this? How does one mistakenly impregnate somebody? Did they all suddenly trip and his d1ck accidentally landed between their legs repeatedly? Anyway, the dude is a scoundrel, but he better not commit suicide since he has three children on the way. |
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I expressed my viewpoint and if you have an issue with it, that's your own problem. lol @ "There are two races of people in Nigeria - Yoruba and others". I'm sure there are definitely people in other parts of the country that feel the same way about their own group.
It happens to every group.