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There are no questions to be asked.

Most of the posters on this thread are just dumb and too lazy to read.

https://www.nairaland.com/978818/oba-bini-refused-gej-palace

^^^
This was on the front page.

Then somebody put this

https://www.nairaland.com/980314/photo-jonathan-waiting-oba-benin/1

on the front page when it's the exact same crap.

How can a mod be dumb enough to post a false claim not once, but twice to the front page?

Then later, some mod will lock a person's thread claiming it's a repeat.

Theblessed: [size=16pt]Well for some, it looks funny and for sensitive others, it's disgraceful/pitiful!

Actually, it was the Oba that disrespected himself, really.

Nigerian politics did not start with Jonathan and won't end with him either as future Head of State had actually, drawn from this incident. By acting this way, the Oba only showed his immaturity and lack of diplomacy as a leader and I query is ability to lead his people.

From this attitude, he'd be so lucky to get more Presidential respect/visits in the future especially, from future Presidents. He'd be so lucky if they ever ring his 'BELL' in life again because, respect they say, is reciprocal or let me simply say, give and take/receive! [/size]

You're a goat, and someday you'll go to goat heaven, where they'll judge you. Keep bleating.

MsDarkSkin: Nlders calling sexkillz a "(gay) albino" (even posting pictures of east african albinos to represent him)

lmao

Mrs.Chima:
Yes...the "White man".

That's why I said that most African students are here by way of their well to do families. If you are not an American citizen...you are no entitled to any Pell Grant nor Student loans unless otherwise specified.

But for ANY student visas...you need to have at least 20,000 dollars in savings/checking, full tuition PAID IN FULL BY THE interview date, and room and board covered before they would even LOOK AT YOU. Other countries may have different stipulations but I am referring to America.

All "well to do" is a misconception. There are too many Africans here that aren't well to do financially that I've met and know personally (whose children are in school) to believe that.

Why do people seem to believe that Indians or Koreans or other Asians can come here, some of them not being "well to do", work, put their children through school and achieve things and that's normal, but it's assumed that any African or African student has/had "well to do" parents and was rich to start with? That's what those white people do who want to convince themselves that blacks aren't mentally capable - or lack the drive or work ethic - of achieving the so called "American dream". It reassures them of the inferiority of the group they already perceive as inferior and it allows them to continue trying to ignore history as an explanation for the problems of the black people already here.

Don't believe everything you hear from one supposedly authoritative source.

The fact that some moderators on this forum would draw attention to a distorted/slanted story by putting it on the front page, after already doing so once before with that "Oba Of Bini Refused GEJ In His Palace" thread, is disappointing.

I know this site is just about revenue and not accuracy, so I won't bother about the ridiculous claim/story itself. I'll just note that you guys already put the same thing up on the front page a day or two ago and this whole issue has been thrashed out before.

In fact, this thread should have been closed by OAMJ or another mod since it is definitely a repeat of an existing thread. But instead it gets on the front page so that more goats can bleat over a non-issue.

kandiikane: Why are you not in the competion? I heard you are shocolate.

I didn't want to embarrass the other contestants.

Ileke-IdI:
I didn't mean it as an offense lol.

Oh. I "unshake" my head then.

shymmex: How do you know it never existed, when all African tribes migrated from almost the same?

I know you don't believe in the Kemet/Sudan/Congo migration of black people to the other parts of Africa - but can you provide an alternate source of our migration?

Personally, my scholarship shows we used to be the same people, before the invaders invaded Africa - and there were different migration patterns, and periods..

No tribe is indigenous to present day West Africa - we all came from the same Kemet/Sudan/Kush region - and we all used to be one big tribe.

If I accept that we were all one and then differentiated into different groups, it doesn't mean I accept that those groups somehow saw every other black group as their "black brothers and sisters" when pretty much everyone around them was black to begin with.

Racial unity/separatism should just be an extension of ethnic unity/separatism, since members of the same race are closer to you than members of other races, just as members of the same ethnicity are closer to you than members of other ethnic groups, but language and culture tied people to each other more strongly than physical appearance in the past - which isn't strange considering that most groups were in areas where other groups didn't look extremely different from their group. Physical appearance does not in anyway guarantee that two distinct peoples share the same political/social orientations, attitudes, outlook or that their cultures are really similar enough where it really matters - whatever that happens to be - to the point that they can look at each other as brothers and not strangers.

But the threat of those who want to degrade or invade both groups can change all that of course.

"Black unity" became somewhat popular after the Atlantic slave trade.

The only instance where it might have happened before that was the so called "Revolt of the Zanj"

Otherwise, it's never existed.

If you stop and think deeply about it, it's kind of a bizarre concept.

joeydozzy: don't bother reading them. you'll waste your valuable mb. this page and the 1st should bore you for the meantime

Yeah, I don't think I'll bother. Seems like half the posts were banned anyway.

Ileke-IdI:
LMAO @ obadiagbon

Every time I see that video, I think "PhysicQED"

SMH

She thought I wouldn't see this.

Anyway, that dude is a total clown, and if I ever met him in real life I would tell him to start speaking English and stop embarrassing himself.

How did this thread get to 60 pages?

Mrs.Chima:
I get my source concerning visas and immigration from the HORSE'S MOUTH. I don't need google.

I guess you failed to read...."unless they are selected by the Elite".

Its okay. You can go back and reread.

Oh I read it. But by the "elite" you must have meant the elite white people through scholarships and admissions, and not the elites in Africa - cause the elites in Africa aren't doing jack sh1t for poor Africans that want to study abroad.

Separatism among ethnic lines actually seems to make natural sense because it amounts to separation based on language and culture - which would seem like what would automatically happen. Those who speak the same language, share the same customs, and live the same would band together and away from those who don't.

Unity among racial or skin color lines might just be something that white people created recently and which parts of the rest of the world have suddenly embraced in a bid to have potential protection or alliances against the "other" in case this other group or groups (whatever their race may be) decide to invade and subjugate or attempt to verbally/psychologically degrade their particular group on the basis of skin color/race.

You will never see a poor African attend American Universities unless they were selected by the Elite.

lmao, where are you guys getting this stuff from?

But I guess I'd need you to define "poor" first before just laughing this claim off.

If you mean Somalia poor, then you may have a point.

pleep: Are you kidding me, Boiled rhinosaurus skin? The lamellar and scale armor i mentioned earlier are even better than what is mentioned in those links. like i said earlier, you don't need a gun to peirce leather armor.

I'm not kidding you at all. Is rhinoceros skin somehow the same as cow skin (leather)?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1359589 ('The structure and mechanical design of rhinoceros dermal armour.')

http://books.google.com/books?id=pu3aAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA617 ('Animate creation : popular edition of "Our living world" : a natural history (1898)'. Read paragraph 4 about the requirements when using bullets to kill a rhino.)

Rhino skin isn't the only thing mentioned there.

I posted two pages so that you'd read more than just that page and get a good perspective on what others (including Europeans) said about the strength of this non-metal armor in use in Asia. As you can see from the book, they could make and use metal armor, but still used other armors anyway because they were very effective.

The effective range of an arquebus is only around 100 meters, while the range of a 13 century crossbow is 200 meters. Bows and crossbows could also be fired 5 ranks deep, meaning you could have 5 times as many people shooting at a given moment. In addition to this they were more accurate and didn't require much training (crossbows). So why did Europeans use guns if crossbows were so much better? Because the guns could pierce plate armor when nothing else could!

It was probably the other way around. The Romans already had a tradition of plate armor. Those who were colonized by the Romans continued it and modified it. Then the use of plate armor declined heavily in usage among them once improved guns made the armor obsolete.

Far from improving the gun just to defeat the armor, it's more likely that they improved the gun just to improve the gun, since the gun was not great to start with. A consequence of the improved gun was that an entire armor tradition became obsolete, as did other armor.

Of course now there really is an armor vs. gun race, with bulletproof vests and jackets all over the place.

odumchi: However, I do remember watching a film that highlighted the military transitional period in Japan. I remember a battle scene in which two opposing forces (one loyal to the traditional lifestyle and made up of samurai, the other pro-Western and armed with modern rifles) fought each other sometime in the 19th century. The samurai charged the infantrymen and were massacred by the gunfire. After suffering a gunshot wound, in his dying breath, the samurai commander uttered: "this marks the end of the samurai era".

That's probably the movie The Last Samurai, although it could be something else.

And your post is basically correct as far as I can tell. Guns were just not immediately the extremely decisive factor that they came to be. They had to be improved considerably over the centuries to where it was a no-contest situation between those with guns and those without.

Deep Sight: Willy nilly, it will happen one day.

I doubt it.

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SpeedOfLight/FTL.html

(There are other sites that address this same issue, but I like the conciseness of the explanations there and the inclusion of references where necessary.)

By the way, why do you seem particularly interested in the speed of light being surpassed? I mean, why that particular limitation exactly?

Is it just because it's a talked about physical constraint? Because there are other more obvious constraints/limitations on our reality besides just that particular one and I wonder if you think those constraints will all eventually be broken as well.

Deep Sight: Scientists have an illiterate and illogical definition of the word "time". They need to find another word to use, for what they seek to define is not time, but a dimension of movement. Fact.

I'm not sure that you have established a "fact". Don't you have to define in clear terms how you think scientists conceive of time, prove that this matches up with what they do actually write, and then describe your specific objections before you claim to have debunked it?


What exactly is your perspective on time? Is it just some John McTaggart type stuff, or is it something really radical and new?

Finally: I wonder if you have absorbed the theological relevance of this topic?

Which is?

tpia@:
it was both ways.

the bini guide/s were double agents working both for the british and also having loyalties elsewhere.

They actually said that their guides were not Bini though (except for that one individual I am talking about, who was not particularly relevant to the invasion since he actually was their guide to Benin before the "Benin Massacre" which took place before the invasion. They (the British survivors) speculated about whether he betrayed them (not the Binis) but it's not actually clear that he did. He could have just left when he saw that the situation was going to turn violent.

I did not specify the ethnic group of the non-Bini guides for a reason though.

What a spin job.

cashmentor: Oba Ovonranmwen was betrayed by one of his Kinsmen, who showed them his hide out and handed him over to 'em.... Benin in turn was Betrayed by external tribes within (probably envious enemy tribes in the south south)
the British attacked on a day the Benins all were not at Home....

Well the British (all the British sources) state that he returned to Benin of his own free will and they even describe how he re-entered the city. Perhaps you are thinking of Obaseki (who was working with the British by that time after the defeat) who was one of the chiefs that sent messengers to ask the Oba to return.

Deep Sight: At all events, we stated clearly in the OP that the results were not conclusive.

As such, the question within this thread remains - "what if?"

You may note that experiments are still going on in this regard.

If the speed of light is unbreakable, humanity may never explore the vast reaches of the universe.

It remains important in following these discussions to keep in focus that which we are asking here: namely the true nature of time and space and the relation of that question to theological discourses.

Once the possibility remains open, everything must be considered and reconsidered.

As far as I am concerned, time is not, and never has been, that which is scientifically defined. What is scientifically defined is not time at all: but a dimension of motion.

Justcool's first few posts on this thread refer.

"If the speed of light is unbreakable, humanity may never explore the vast reaches of the universe?"

Why are you so sure of this?

First, this exploration does not have to happen in a short time. It can happen gradually over long periods of time and it's not clear or established that there isn't still a lot of time left in the universe. After huge technological breakthroughs (such as successful sustained generation of significant amounts of energy from fusion) of some sort (and these always seem to be happening), faster, longer lasting and stronger (materials science is advancing significantly in this regard - there are already sensors that can withstand very high temperatures and even stronger ones are yet to come) rockets and spaceships can be built, then floating colonies can be dispersed throughout the solar system (from which more rockets, ships, and colonies can be launched), then the galaxy, and then further and further out.

The rapidity with which this process of universal colonization/expansion is done will determine whether humanity can reach the boundaries of the universe before it ends. Remember that the universe is only expanding at around 70 km/sec (http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/uni_expansion.html) so it's not moving faster than we are capable of moving (although it does seem to be accelerating, but there's no evidence at the present that the rate of expansion will even come close to the speed of light in a short time or anything).

Also, there are theoretical proposals, such as the "Alcubierre drive", which, if certain kinds of exotic matter can somehow be created, could, with some modification, allow for ways of traveling that are radically different from what we know now. But even if that is impossible, or using wormholes is impossible, humanity can just do what I said above.


Second, there have been many tests on the speed of light that have not been seen to be flawed in any way, so you are right to say that experiments are still ongoing. It's just that they all point toward the same thing - no faster than light movement of any particles has been observed and confirmed.

In fact, for a massive (as opposed to massless) particle to travel at the speed of light (as opposed to just near the speed of light), it would need infinite energy (http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SpeedOfLight/FTL.html#16), while (real) massless particles move at the speed of light.

Third, after reading through this thread, I'm not sure if you really understand how time is defined by scientists. For example, do you understand what a "worldline" is or a "Minkowski diagram/spacetime diagram"? If your answer is not in the affirmative (although of course you could just look it up), I think that you should actually go through some physics books (you can look for some online if you're not currently near a bookstore or library) and see how your theories stand in relation to what science says.

You actually don't have to learn quantum mechanics or thermodynamics or anything intensive to get a basic understanding of special relativity (although general relativity is a more intensive case) so you should not be deterred from doing so because of doubts about having the necessary background (if indeed you don't have such a background).

I find your more philosophical posts very interesting, but where you delve into physical speculation, I start to wonder if you wouldn't be better off as a physicist, so that you could put your theories into more concrete scientific language.

[NB: The above is about the universe that we know. I'm making no claims about the rules and regulations of any other universes that may exist.]

ifihearam: But every king is subject to the governor of the state
A governor has the power to depose or suspend any king if he wishes and the oba of benin is not excluded.

Each state has its own traditional rulers laws. There is no nationwide law about such matters in the Nigerian constitution. For example, the present Ondo state uses the 1984 chiefs law of the old Ondo state and the current Edo state uses the 1979 law of the old Bendel state, which actually has specific provisions for each recognized traditional ruler - and nobody has ever shown that it has anything even relating to the deposition of the Oba of Benin in there.

The Oba of Benin cannot be deposed by the government and his status as Oba is not really decided by the state government to begin with. I know you're just a troll, but take a break from peddling the same lame claims and go do something with your life.

Hilarious

Surprised nobody's done a super mario photoshop yet.

Did they adopt him?

~Bluetooth:
Sure thing. . . .I never forgot the part that said binis are descendant of ile-ife.

You read this and yet for some reason you have some kind of bias against the Binis.

jude33084: It was even a Benin man ( ologbosere I think) that betrayed the Benin Kingdom by revealing their weakpoint to the white b4 the masacre. Oh I love history!

Well, no it was not Ologbosere that betrayed anyone. The British had native African guides that they relied on to familiarize themselves with the terrain and to lead them to the right places before invading, but they were not actually from Benin (except for one guide that they used right before there were any hostilities from either side), but the Ologbosere was not a betrayer. He was a Benin chief and he fought till he was captured and executed.

~Bluetooth:
These bootlickers will also tell us the oyinbo that dealt with their oba at the peak of colonization also died in miserable circumstances . foolish*people !

lol, I don't believe in curses, but it is a fact that Sir Ralph Denham Moor, who engineered the entire invasion of Benin (see the book City of Blood Revisited by Robert Home) committed suicide, dying in "miserable circumstances" (your words).

"He was found dead in bed at his residence, the Homestead, Barnes, on 14 September 1909; having committed suicide by poison.[1] He was buried at the new Barnes cemetery. The coroner's jury determined that "the poison was deliberately taken whilst temporarily insane after suffering acutely from insomnia", they had heard evidence that Moor had suffered for the last four years on his return from Africa with malarial and backwater fever that induced insomnia."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Denham_Rayment_Moor

Obviously the environment got to him - which is a coincidence - but the fact that Oba Ovonramwen outlived him probably became a source of more rumors about curses.

I don't know what those Benin boys did to you when you schooled in Benin (which you said you did), but you need to get over it since it happened years ago. Every time anything relating to Benin is mentioned you have some snide comment to make.

pro01: Funny how you twerps clutch at straws in a bid to sound convincing. How did Navy Captain Anthony Onyearugbulem die a shameful death? Was he the first (or only) person that died in an hotel? What is a shameful death? Can you prove that the so-called "shameful death" was a consequence of his dealing with the Oba of Benin? So because he suspended the Oba, as was within his executive powers, that means his death must be linked to that action? Stop being ridiculous abeg.

Fact is that Navy Captain Onyearugbulem, a man of uncommon intellect and one of the finest brains ever produced by the Navy, put the Oba in his place by suspending him for several months until the end of his tenure as Military Administrator of Edo State, and NOTHING happened. If he had been struck with madness immediately he suspended the Oba, maybe we would have taken the Oba's supposed god-like powers more seriously. The fact that he died much later in unrelated circumstances does not say anything about the Oba's divine powers. People die all the time, many in very tragic and pitiful circumstances.

A man of "uncommon intellect", but he was just another Abacha stooge and died known as such after starting trouble over dumb rumors. There was no curse on Onyearugbulem by anybody but when his wife had a miscarriage very soon after his action of suspending the Oba from the chairmanship of the traditional council people started the rumors about curses. Funny that you keep talking about executive powers - the man was a military administrator under an illegal government which was a dictatorship - what couldn't he do? Oh, that's right - he couldn't suspend the Oba from being Oba as you foolishly thought a governor could.

There was nothing shameful about his death, but the man died at 47 for basically no identifiable reason. Maybe he had a weak heart and it just gave out.

ifihearam: “In fact, it is the respect and love Omo N’Oba has for the president that made him to still manage to see the president in a private chamber in the palace, despite a complicated situation that day.”


The above is an insult,adding salt to injury I must say. Complicated my feet.

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And what are you gonna do about that statement?

Just shut up and stop whining over nothing.