italo:

Pimpu, your post is very long and you raised so many points that I cannot answer to all of them at the same time. It's like accusing a man of lying and as he's trying to defend himself you say again that he stole.

SAYING MY POST IS TOO LONG IS NOT AN EXCUSE I EXPECTED FROM U PROVIDED MY POINT ARE FACTUAL,BUT SAYING I RAISED SO MANY POINT SOUND SENSIBLE,BRO I NEVER SAID ANSWER EVERY TIN AT D SAME TIME.INFACT IT WILL MAKE MORE SENCE IF WE TAKE IT ONE AFTER THE OTHER.
AM NOT GOING TO COMMENT ON OTHER TINS U SAID JUST TO KEEP US FOCUS ON THE POINT AT HAND.SO CHALANGE THE FIRST POINT AM ALL URS,

Verse No. 1
Jesus said: "The Father and I are one." (John. 10:30).
Perceived by the "man of extraordinary faith": This verse proves, Jesus was God, like his Father.

Study No. 1
In Greek, the language of the John's Gospel, the word 'heis' (masc.) means; 'Numerical one' and 'hen' (neut.); means
'Unity - in purpose'. In this verse apostle John has used 'hen' (Strong's #1520). Hence, the apostle was speaking of the "Unity in purpose". Those who may not be familiar with the Greek language or cannot have the access to the world famous concordance by James Strong may please look up the marginal notes in New American Standard Bible (NASB), to find out the specific meaning of this word with reference to this verse.

The next obvious question could be; What was that "Unity in purpose"? It was of conveying the Divine Message to mankind. Jesus passed on that Message and his Mission to his disciples. After having done that Jesus declared:
"And the glory which Thou hast given me, I have given to them (disciples); that they may be one, just as we are one."
(John 17:22).

Jesus also said: "Holy Father, protect them in your name that you have given me, so that they may be one, as we are one."
(John 17:11).

In both the above verses the Greek word used by the apostle is 'hen' (Strong's # 1520). No upright and God fearing individual would go to the length of admitting that Jesus had declared the Twelve Disciples to be "co-equal" in status, like him or like his Father.

A question often raised is; If Jesus had not declared himself being "God", why did the Jews pick up the stones and were ready to kill him, upon hearing these words? The reply appears in the text that follows and there also appears a noteworthy conversation between Jesus Christ and Jews. Jesus did acknowledge before this angry crowd (see verse 36), that:

a) He was "sanctified" by God.
(This act cannot be performed unless there are "two distinctly independent entities or parties". One party was doing the act of "sanctifying" while another was being "sanctified".

b) He was "sent " by God.
(This text proves; One entity was "the sender", while the other was "the sent".

c) He was "son" of God.
(This text proves; Jesus who had earlier quoted a verse from the Psalm to his contenders, was only asserting to be "the children of the Most High". Please read Psalm 82:6 and 7, for the details).

To say otherwise would simply indicate; Jesus who was "God Himself", upon seeing the stones being pickedwas petrified. He either mutated or modified his earlier Declaration of being "God" and involuntarily acknowledged that he was merely;
"a child of God, sent by God and sanctified by God".

Study Supportive Passage:
Jesus said: "I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I." (Jn. 14:28). This verse unequivocally refutes the assertion that Jesus was "co-equal" in status, with his Father.

Note:
Anyone who thinks that the word "greater" does not necessarily mean being greater in authority or higher in status, may please read John 13:16 along with 17:3.
WAITING,

Joagbaje:

@Altheia.

Altheia come off it.I'm not Mabel and you know it. Chechk our postings. You will catch me quick. With all my impatience and punctuation errors! I'm not doing what you and viaro are doing. Besides ," I don't belive in majority carries the vote" one man on the side of truth is enough to dispell all lies.

We don't want stories,provide proves and Am sory to say,joagbaje u ar a complete fraud,u ar claiming u also heal people and cast out devil,u ar such a joke.provide your full adress here and i will FIND u.ALL MABELL DOES IS COPY AND PASTE A STORY WHICH EXPLAIN THE LESS GRAMATICLE ERROR WHILE JOAGBAJE COMPLEMENT IT,SO JOAGHAJE=MABELL

italo:

how can we reply such a long post, do you think we are all jobless?

WELL U CAN START FROM"LIST OF VERSES STUDIED"

italo:

how can we reply such a long post, do you think we are all jobless?

AS I LAID MY EYES ON THIS POST I BURST OUT IN LAUGHTER,NOW U DON'T HV TIME FOR GOD.MAY ALLAH FORGIVE US ALL.

jcross19:

@pimpu , does it change that they give Nigeria a bad name ? see mr child molester, child abuse and human trafficking mr yerima huh and you people supported his act wow

C U AR GETTING IT WRONG I HV NEVER SORPORTED YARIMA AND HIS ACTION BECAUSE PERSONALLY I THINK HE USES RELIGION TO EMBEZZLE MONEY,BACK TO UR QUESTION NON OF THOSE ACT,KIDNAPING,ARM RUBERY IN NIGER DELTA,HUMAN TRAFFIKING AND PROSTITUTION IN EDO STATE AND CRISES IN D NORTH GIVES NIGERIA A GOOD NAME.TRY TO BE 3D IN UR APPROACH TO ISSUE.

mabell:

Sitting in his home in Telford, he recounted his experience with great joy. “My experience at the healing school was beautiful. Not only was my left ear healed, my life was also transformed. The healing school stands out as a very rich and life- changing experience. Many people quote the word of God, but at the HEALING SCHOOL, we experienced the word. Then he concluded with conviction, “if you with conviction, “if you are sick, seek the lord by going to the healing school”.

mabell:

The next day, admist several others who had received their healing, Frank testified of his awesome miracle. With great excitement his wife came and stood beside him and as he demonstrated his healing and whispered to him “ I love you”, and with delight, Frank responded “ I love you too”

mabell:

When the healing service began, with a thankful heart, Frank began to praise God for the opportunity to be there!
When Pastor Chris got to where he was, Frank could barely stand for joy. The man of God immediately recognized that his condition had being caused by an infirmity. He put his fingers in Frank’s left ear and commanded the spirit to come out. Then he blew the anointing on Frank and he fell under the power of God. When he got up, radiant and filled with joy, he lifted up his hands to God in thanks

mabell:

Frank went to see a doctor who ran a series of tests and diagnosed that he was loosing his sense of hearing. Frank was 58yrs old then and he knew that God had called him into the ministry to proclaim the good news of His saving power and to nurture and raise His children in the word, so any kind of sickness would slow him down.

Frank felt the situation was embarrassing and to avoid misunderstanding from people, he decided to stay away from them. This went on for 14years with the condition getting worse but sometime during this period, a program on television caught his attention, it was an episode of THE HEALING SCHOOL program on Loveworld Television. Frank then made up his mind to attend and immediately started making arrangements to attend the next session which was to be held in Johannesburg South Africa. This was in February 2008.
With great faith, Frank and his wife Susan travelled to South Africa for the first time in their lives using all their savings. So, a 73yr old Frank arrived South Africa with faith in his heart

mabell:

In 1993, Frank Davies, a pastor in Telford United Kingdom noticed that he could not hear properly over the phone. Initially, he thought it was a problem with the connection or with the telephone. He however became concerned when he could not hear people with his left ear and to turn his right ear towards the people when they talked to him

NONSENCE

jcross19:

MR\Ms pimpu what it's your question those things you posted out there was written mere men or man with his or her knowledge on religion like wise i , i have my own way of reason and stop copy and paste from wikki some times they mislead people okay

hehehehe now he is shying away from the point,INSTEAD HE QUESIONS MY USERNAME AND THE SOURCE OF MY POINT.MY DEAR BROTHER THE TRUTH IS ONE, NO MATER THE SOURSE.AS I SAID LEARN TO DEBATE INSTEAD OF ARGUEING.

no one is replying my post ooohhh.ALLAH IS GREAT

na today,

@jcross am still expecting ur reply to my post,As i alwayz say am out to debate and not to argue

@JCROSS AM STILL WAITING

The Almighty God said to prophet Isaiah, according to the Bible:

"I, I am the LORD, and besides ME there is no saviour"
Isaiah 43:11
"Turn to ME and be saved, all the ends of the earth"
Isaiah 45:22
The first verse NEGATES the attribution of such a claim to anyone including Jesus, which the Righteous Jesus never made during his ministry, as mentioned earlier.
The DISBELIEF in the second verse by any devout Christian would clearly indicate that he (or, she) is advocating or professing the following:

a) The Almighty God did not know the coming of "Jesus the Saviour"
before the ends of the earth. In other words; the Almighty Erred.

b) Anyone who wishes to be saved by turning to the Almighty LORD,
must go via "Jesus the Saviour". Whereas, anyone who wishes to
be saved by turning to "Jesus the Saviour" can by pass the Almighty.

Does that not make "Jesus The Only Saviour" mightier than the Almighty LORD?



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"MY FATHER AND I ARE
ONE" (John 10:30)
Here is my simple and straight forward question for the readers of this article who happen to be those who steadfastly and resolutely believe in 'The Doctrine of Trinity' and the "ONE" of the above verse to denote and signify the 'numerical one':

Since you happen to believe that "Father The Almighty Creator" and "Son, Christ The Jesus" are truly "ONE" and there is no pretense of piety or hypocrisy in your belief for the absolute UNITY in TRINITY, then where do you see the variance, division, contrariety or difference if "you" as a devout Christian consider Christ the Jesus to be the ONLY Saviour and if "I" as a believing Muslim consider the Almighty Creator to be the ONLY Saviour
I hope I will now have fewer mails entreating me to read the Bible with an open mind and accept Christ the Jesus as my "ONLY" SAVIOUR.
I have yet to receive a sound and reasonable answer to this question which contrast Adam and Jesus:

IF the physical death (2288-GSN, Greek 'thanatus'), did spread to all men through the SIN of Adam (Romans 5:12), and IF the act of Jesus was indeed the payment of debt or its satisfaction and reconciliation with God and the justification and life (2222-GSN, Greek 'zoe') for all men, (Romans 5:18), then why are men still dying the physical death?
The existence of physical death, clearly indicates that every living person is individually answerable for his or her SINS and is not yet SAVED by the Act of Jesus. I quote below a verse from the Bible to support the above.
The person who sins shall die. A child shall not suffer for the iniquity of a parent, nor a parent suffer for the iniquity of a child; the righteousness of the righteous shall be his own, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be his own.
Ezekiel 18:20

@JCROSS THIS IS FOR U AND ALL THOSE WHO THINK ALIKE,I AWAIT UR RESPONSE

THE ONLY SAVIOUR CONCEPT MAKES JESUS, MIGHTIER THAN 
THE ALMIGHTY!

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WHO IS "YOUR" SAVIOUR?

         One of the primary questions frequently posed by a devoted Christian to a non Christian is: "We all do sin. But, under the umbrella of Christianity we have Jesus Christ, who died on the Cross for "our" sins. He is "our" Saviour. Our sins are washed with the blood of our Saviour. Who is "your" Saviour and what is "your" solution for solving the sin problem?

        If you were to counter question; Did the Saviour "himself" claim that the sins of "all Christians" or of "all mankind" are to be washed or will be forgiven of the future generations, "only by his blood"? The devout Christian may have a hard time finding an answer to this question from his Bible. Tom Harpur, a former professor of New Testament, religious editor of "The Toronto Star" and author of several books on Christian Beliefs, writes:

Perhaps I am lacking in piety or some basic instinct, but I know I am not alone in finding the idea of Jesus' death as
atonement for the sins of all humanity on one level bewildering and on the other morally repugnant. Jesus never to my knowledge said anything to indicate that forgiveness from God could only be granted after or because of the cross.    ('For Christ's Sake'  page 75)
      In the Christian theology, the Doctrine of Atonement presupposes two important things:
   1.  The fall of "all men" (not only Christians) from the Grace of
        God through an act of disobedience by Adam and Eve.

   2.  The restoration of God's Grace for "all men" (not only Christians)
        through the Blood Sacrifice of Christ.

     Apostle John writes in his First Epistle:

"My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous; and he is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world."     1 John 2:1/2
     The above verse very clearly indicates; the Atonement of the sins was for the whole world (i.e. all mankind). In other words, if Adam's act was sin or infirmity for mankind, Jesus' act was its remedy or justification for mankind. If Adam's act was a debt for mankind, Jesus' act was its payment for mankind. If Adam's act was offence for mankind, Jesus' act was its satisfaction and reconciliation with God for mankind.
     If that happens to be the Biblical TRUTH, then the posing of the said question by a boastfully devout Christians to any non Christian, in reality, questions the FAITH of the interrogator in his/her own Bible.

JESUS MIGHTIER THAN
                        THE ALMIGHTY!

      The misconception that Jesus is The Only Saviour makes Jesus mightier than the Almighty of the Old Testament.



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THE REBUTTAL TO MY ABOVE STATEMENT
No it does not! Jesus said: 

          I tell you the truth, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him. John 13:16 

THANK YOU MR
        The above verse John 13:16 quoted by you, when read along with John 17:3, wherein Jesus himself acknowledges that he was sent by 
"the only true God", conclusively supports and logically upholds the True Islamic Belief of placing full faith and trust as "THE ALMIGHTY SAVIOUR" in the "MASTER OF JESUS" rather than in Jesus Christ, who was the Servant and Messenger, IF there is only ONE SAVIOUR.
TO BE CONTINUE,

@SIR JOHN CAN I HV UR EMAIL OR PHONE NUMBER THIS IS MINE 08062407868 & BLUELAND44U@YAHOO.COM.U CAN MAIL ME.TNX

jcross19:

@pimpu, the whole world that read this thread will know you are deceiver all in the name of a religion how can you tell me that northern part of nigeria is the best place in terms of violence - free region have you forgoten the kano crisis, jos crisis or even boko haram and so others, yes, what about MR FAROUK ABDULMTUHALAB ahahaha the icon of Nigerian's muslims huh please may God open your eyes so that you can see the light.
@nopuqeater, can you compare the level of development to those of northern ? can't you see that the major problem we are having in this country are the northern b,cos their religion promote beggers and laziness that worsen the country's situation and if care is not taking almajiri will over throne the government b,cos they are too much i mean too much born of naughty person

REMEMBER U HV MADE NO COMMENT ABOUT MY EARLIER POST,TNK GOD NOW U CAN OPEN UR MOUTH SINCE U THINK U HV GOTTEN A PLACE TO MAKE A POINT BUT ITS UNFORTUNATE U CAN'T READ BETWEEN THE LINE,I SAID NORTH IS THE BEST PLACE TO RAISE A FAMILY AND NOT THE BEST PLACE IN TERM OF VOILENCE,FOR SURE NORTH HAS BEEN INVOLVE IN CRISES WHICH IS BASICALLY DUE TO THE POLITICAL SENSITIVITY OF THE REGION JUST LIKE THE SOUTH AND EAST IS INVOLVE IN ARM RUBERY,KIDNAPING AND SOME ETHNIC VOILENCE TOO. I WONDER WHICH STATE U AR IN BUT AM IN KADUNA AND A YORUBA. GO ASK WHY IS ALL THE IGBO THAT LEFT KADUNA DURRING THE CRISES ARE ALL BACK,THIS IS BECAUSE IN THE NORTH THERE IS HIGH MORAL STANDARDS,AND A GOOD PLACE TO DO BUSINESS BECAUSE OF THEIR HONESTY,TRUSTHWORTHINESS.

how will they perform maracle when its not easy to stage-manage maracle.

hubreality:

It is meaningless to appease or ascertain proofs for anyone who will never believe Christ Jesus even he/she witnessed His miraculous deeds in His days.  Kenya 28, please cease from responding oppositions of the walk of faith. Anyone here or beyond is right on his/her opinion. 

Nothing is new under the sun! False stories about pastor Chris and a few other famous clerics with global results are not news anyone. In fact, they churches are not places you find perfect people but are places for the perfecting of the saints by His Word and His Spirit.

HUB REALITY U AR NOT BEING REALISTIC,I WILL CHALENGE U WITH THIS,ALL your YEARS IN THE CHURCH HV U COMFIRM ANY MARACLE URSELF,IF ANY BRING IT ON.COMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON WAKE UP

jcross19:

look in your book of poem i can see abrogated verses huh from that verse it simply means what Islam is all about okay then can we look into northern part of Nigeria? can you see how religion war was ranting all over the place b,cos that was the foundation laid by your wananbe prophet huh

JCROSS NOW I C THAT U SERIOUSLY LACK KNOWLEDGE AND BASIC UNDERSTANDING OF ISLAM.U DON'T JUDGE A BOOK BY ITS COVER.I HV BEEN LIVING IN THE NORTH ALL MY LIFE,I TELL U IT IS STILL THE BEST PLACE TO RAISE A FAMILY NIGERIA.

mathew jam:

@Rosikke
Ignorance is a disease that has killed many,
Mallam teaches u to wash yah booboom wit water 2 make your nyash and body holy,
silly idea, how did d outer pat of yah body make yah heart clean and pure?
man gota wash his mind 2 b holy, not bombom, OK.
fools caricatures, ubi wawan mutum, da bai san komai ba.

u lack knowledge yet u throw insult.ABLUTION IS JUST A PHYSICAL ACT MEANT TO CLEANSIN THE BOBY AND NOT THE SOUL,AS PRAYERS ARE PERFORM IN CONGREGATION.

no wonder they hardly preach salvation

Superbrain:

{People, love God with all your heart and also guard it. Do not allow the devil sow seeds of evil in your heart that end up questioning your belief in the Almighty God}.   
{I'm a proud member of Christ Embassy and I've never had cause to doubt the authenticity of such miracle claims. I've seen a number of people get healed at crusades. I don't think it is also my business to go about trying to verify claims from the healed. I listen to the word of God, abide by it and preach it.}

u just quoted mark 12:30,AND THOU SHALT LOVE THE LORD THY GOD WITH ALL THY HEART,AND WITH ALL THY SOUL,AND WITH ALL THY MIND AND WITH ALL THY STRENGTH.So why should i leave my mind out side when i enter the church,power of reasoning is a priceless gift from God to mankind,we use it everyday in our daily lifes.HOW WORLD U AVERT FALSE PROPHET IF U REFUSE USING THE SPECIAL GIFT OF REASONING THAT GOD GAVE U.

Superbrain:

You will be amazed at the number of people whose beliefs have been influenced by this thread over the pasts two years.

YES THIS IS WHY THIS THREAD WAS OPEN,TO SAY THE TRUTH AND SET PEOPLE FREE.JOHN 8:32 AND YE SHALL KNOW THE TRUTH,AND THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE U FREE.
My ppl abide not in false pastor, falsehood and false pride.

Yefet:

@Jcross, Tnx allot for your contribution, I see your passion by trying to stand for what you believe in. Please bro can you refrain from insult to other religion or belief or engaging in arguments but rather prech the Gospel and dont let yourself to be distracted from your calling. Show love,respect so that our Father in Heaven will do the rest you ask or do not ask for. Pray for those who persecute you and bless those who curse you, by so doing , you represent the Church of Christ to others who do not believe.

God bless you all.

I APPRECIATE your MAJOR COMMENT HERE,BUT THE PART I DON'T LIKE IS PRETENDING U DID NOT SEE MY POST WHICH IS A DIRECT RESPOSE TO your POST ON PAUL.AM STILL WAITING FOR your RESPONSE

jcross19:

why can't you read the bible and see the light in it ? can you compare that to mohammad that terrorise the people in his time? that molested a under- age teen ? that flexed in wholedom? that caused the terrorist in the world today? okay i can give you quiranic quotation about the jihadist , here we go, Qur'an 9:5 "When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, beleaguer them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war. was your allah or mohammad tell me is to be blamed by that. then why are you people calling allah most merciful and compassionate , with that verse it shows what they were really are.

THE SAME APPLIES TO U JCROSS,I ALSO GAVE  A COMPREHENSIVE REPORT ON A VERSE U MIS QOUTED I EXPECTED U TO COMPLIMENT ME IF U AGREE OR POINT OUT WERE U DISAGREE.
UNDERSTAND THIS,I JOINED THIS THREAT TO LEARN ,IT WAS THE HEADING THAT DREW MY ATTENTION AND ALL I HV LEARN SO FAR AR ABUSIVE WORD,GUYZ WE AR ADULT WE SHOULD BEHAVE OUR SELFS.TNX ANYWAY

@all ,come to think of it as long as this thread is and as many maracle that has been perform in nigeria no one has come out to say he has been personally healed of anything serious IN NIGERIA.boyz wise-up

loading,

jcross19:

why can't you read the bible and see the light in it ? can you compare that to mohammad that terrorise the people in his time? that molested a under- age teen ? that flexed in wholedom? that caused the terrorist in the world today? okay i can give you quiranic quotation about the jihadist , here we go, Qur'an 9:5 "When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, beleaguer them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war. was your allah or mohammad tell me is to be blamed by that. then why are you people calling allah most merciful and compassionate , with that verse it shows what they were really are.

THIS IS WHAT U DON'T NO;9:5 Kill the disbelievers wherever you find them.

This verse, often called “the verse of the sword”, has been misquoted in a manner similar to the previous verses. First, we shall provide the verse in its context:

9:5-6 But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah. and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.

Having presented the verse in context, we can analyze it properly. Dr. Maher Hathout gives an explanation on the historical context of the verse:

This verse was revealed towards the end of the revelation period and relates to a limited context. Hostilities were frozen for a three-month period during which the Arabs pledged not to wage war. Prophet Muhammad was inspired to use this period to encourage the combatants to join the Muslim ranks or, if they chose, to leave the area that was under Muslims rule; however, if they were to resume hostilities, then the Muslims would fight back until victorious. One is inspired to note that even in this context of war, the verse concludes by emphasizing the divine attributes of mercy and forgiveness. To minimize hostilities, the Qur’an ordered Muslims to grant asylum to anyone, even an enemy, who sought refuge. Asylum would be granted according to the customs of chivalry; the person would be told the message of the Qur’an but not coerced into accepting that message. Thereafter, he or she would be escorted to safety regardless of his or her religion. (9:6). (Hathout, Jihad vs. Terrorism; US Multimedia Vera International, 2002, pp.52-53, emphasis added)

Therefore, this verse once again refers to those pagans who would continue to fight after the period of peace. It clearly commands the Muslims to protect those who seek peace and are non-combatants. It is a specific verse with a specific ruling and can in no way be applied to general situations. The command of the verse was only to be applied in the event of a battle. As Abdullah Yusuf Ali writes:

The emphasis is on the first clause: it is only when the four months of grace are past, and the other party show no sign of desisting from their treacherous design by right conduct, that the state of war supervenes - between Faith and Unfaith. (Yusuf Ali, The Holy Qur’an, Text, Translation and Commentary, emphasis added)

If the pagans would not cease their hostilities towards the Muslims, then they were to be fought, especially since they were living in the land of an Islamic state. Dr. Zakir Naik writes concerning this verse:

This verse is quoted during a battle. , We know that America was once at war with Vietnam. Suppose the President of America or the General of the American Army told the American soldiers during the war: “Wherever you find the Vietnamese, kill them”. Today if I say that the American President said, “Wherever you find Vietnamese, kill them” without giving the context, I will make him sound like a butcher. But if I quote him in context, that he said it during a war, it will sound very logical, as he was trying to boost the morale of the American soldiers during the war. , Similarly in Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 5 the Qur’an says, “Kill the Mushriqs (pagans) where ever you find them”, during a battle to boost the morale of the Muslim soldiers. What the Qur’an is telling Muslim soldiers is, don’t be afraid during battle; wherever you find the enemies kill them. Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 6 gives the answer to the allegation that Islam promotes violence, brutality and bloodshed. It says:

“If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure that is because they are men without knowledge.” [Al-Qur’an 9:6]

The Qur’an not only says that a Mushriq seeking asylum during the battle should be granted refuge, but also that he should be escorted to a secure place. In the present international scenario, even a kind, peace-loving army General, during a battle, may let the enemy soldiers go free, if they want peace. But which army General will ever tell his soldiers, that if the enemy soldiers want peace during a battle, don’t just let them go free, but also escort them to a place of security? This is exactly what Allah (swt) says in the Glorious Qur’an to promote peace in the world. (SOURCE, emphasis added)

Dr. Naik makes some very interesting observations about the verse. Indeed, it is truly amazing how Islam-haters will ignore God’s infinite mercy in their attempt to malign Islam. God has always given human beings a way out of any suffering, and has only ordained fighting as a last resort. Muslim scholars have written much commentary on these Qur’anic verses explaining the historical context in such great detail so that there may be no misconceptions. We have quoted extensively from various commentators on these verses and there is no need to repeat the same material again. We will provide one more commentary before moving on. Professor Shahul Hameed writes on verse 9:5:
This is a verse taken from Surah At-Tawba. This chapter of the Qur’an was revealed in the context when the newly organized Muslim society in Madinah was engaged in defending themselves against the pagan aggressors. The major question dealt with here is, as to how the Muslims should treat those who break an existing treaty at will. The first clause in the verse refers to the time-honored Arab custom of a period of warning and waiting given to the offenders, after a clear violation. That is, they will be given four months’ time to repair the damage done or make peace. But if nothing happens after the expiry of these forbidden months, what should be done? This is what the present verse says. According to this verse, fighting must be resumed until one of the two things happens: Either the enemy should be vanquished by relentless fighting. That is what is meant by {then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem [of war]}; or they should repent, establish prayers and pay zakah, etc. This is one of those verses of the Qur’an which are likely to be misunderstood, if quoted out of context. We must understand that this fighting was against a people who forced the Prophet and his companions to leave not only their own homes but all their property and even their hometown of Makkah to Madinah. Once the Muslims were organized into a community in those lawless times, the rules to be followed by the Muslims were clearly laid down, even in the matter of war. Since Islam is a comprehensive system, no human activity could be ignored. And given the nature of mankind, we cannot imagine a situation where fighting is completely ruled out either. As can be seen, the above injunctions on fighting is not on an individual level, but only in the case of a society that strives to flourish and thrive as a nation. But even here the norms are clear: fighting is only in self defence or for the establishment of justice; and always fighting is the last option. And no one is allowed to transgress the limits set by God. (SOURCE, emphasis added)

Ibn al-`Arabi, in his commentary on the Qur’an, writes:

“It is clear from this that the meaning of this verse is to kill the pagans who are waging war against you.” (Ahkam al-Qur’an: 2/456, emphasis added)
Shaykh Sami al-Majid also makes some very interesting points in his discussion on this verse:

If we look at the verses in Sûrah al-Tawbah immediately before and after the one under discussion, the context of the verse becomes clear. A few verses before the one we are discussing, Allah says:

“There is a declaration of immunity from Allah and His Messenger to those of the pagans with whom you have contracted mutual alliances. Go then, for four months, to and fro throughout the land. But know that you cannot frustrate Allah that Allah will cover with shame those who reject Him.” [Sûrah al-Tawbah: 1-2]

In these verses we see that the pagans were granted a four month amnesty with an indication that when the four months were over, fighting would resume. However, a following verse exempts some of them from the resumption of hostilities. It reads:

“Except for those pagans with whom you have entered into a covenant and who then do not break their covenant at all nor aided anyone against you. So fulfill your engagements with them until the end of their term, for Allah loves the righteous.” [Sûrah al-Tawbah: 4]

So when Allah says: “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight the pagans wherever you find them, and seize them and beleaguer them and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)” we must know that it is not general, since the verse above has qualified it to refer to the pagan Arabs who were actually at war with the Prophet (peace be upon him) and those who broke their covenants of peace. This is further emphasized a few verses later where Allah says:

“Will you not fight people who broke their covenants and plotted to expel the Messenger and attacked you first?” [Sûrah al-Tawbah: 13] (SOURCE)

Therefore, the context of the verse within the Surah makes it clear that this refers to those who are persistent in their hostilities and attacks against Muslims, and it is applied in battle only. We recommend that one reads Shaykh Sami Al-Majid’s full article entitled There is no Compulsion in Religion
TO BE CONTINUE,

Yefet:

Oh Lord my God, the creator of the Heavens and the earth! I pray the moment of Saul to Paul to occur this day in the hearts of our modern saul in Jesus name.

YEYEF PLS REPLY THIS

EXAMINING THE
SELF CONTRADICTORY TESTIMONIES
BY PAUL

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During the ministry of Jesus, Saul (who later became Paul), was a dedicated member of a powerful exclusive Jewish sect called Pharisees. These overbearing vainglorious Jews were labelled as stiff necked hypocrites, for their pretensions to sanctity. When they confronted Jesus, he called them; the sons of a liar.

"You are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."
John 8:44
Saul, was a zealous persecutor of the disciples of Christ. Later on, he became the first Christian missionary and a Minister to the Gentiles. He claims to have been converted to Christianity (in c.e. 35), by an extraordinary sudden appearance of a light from the heaven which flashed around him. (Acts 9:3). This historical "Vision" is supposed to have came about on a road, during Saul's journey to Damascus. By his own statement; Saul's intended mission for this journey was to persecute more Christian men and women. After this historical "Vision" the persecutor changed his mission. He also changed his name to Paul. He ultimately became the biggest contributor to the New Testament. History records that Paul's teaching has changed the Christian beliefs. He was vehemently opposed by other Apostles. Hence, this study is very essential for those who call themselves Christians but in reality following the teachings of "Saint Paul" and NOT of Christ.
A question of the fundamental importance is; If the story of "Vision" by Paul, who had never before met Jesus, is the Truth then; What did Jesus really say to Paul? There was only ONE VISION, but we find contradictions of very serious nature within the following two narration describing the single event. Both these narrations are told by Paul himself and recorded in the "first person". Often I hear from the evangelical Christians, in the defence of these glaring contradictions; there must be an error on the part of the one who wrote down these narrations (probably Apostle Luke). Paul did not write the Book of Acts. If that defence is to be admitted then we have also to admit that Book of Acts is not a hundred percent trustworthy or reliable Book of the Bible.


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Narration No. 1:

<Acts 22:1ff>. While defending himself before the people of Jerusalem, Paul narrated the first narration in the Hebrew dialect; "Brethren and fathers, hear my defence which I now offer to you." <Verses 6ff> "And it came about that as I was on my way, approaching Damascus about noontime, a very bright light suddenly flashed from heaven all around me, and I fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to me, 'Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?' And I answered, 'Who art Thou, Lord?' And He said to me, 'I am Jesus the Nazarene, whom you are persecuting.' And those who were with me beheld the light, to be sure, but did not understand that voice of the One who was speaking to me. And I said, 'What shall I do, Lord?' And the Lord said to me, 'Arise and go into Damascus; and there you will be told of all that has been appointed for you to do."

Note: In this first narration, Paul tells us that Jesus Christ simply directed him to go to the City of Damascus and there he will receive instructions from some one. Paul does not mention having personally received the "instructions" concerning his ministry and/or his mission "directly" from Jesus Christ, which is recorded in the Narration No. 2. The Book of Acts later confirms that Paul DID get the instructions in the city of Damascus from one of the disciple of Jesus Christ.
A narration very similar to the above is also found in Acts 9:5ff.



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Narration No. 2:
Acts 26:12ff. While defending himself before King Agrippa Paul narrates the incident in first person; "While thus engaged as I was journeying to Damascus with the authority and commission of the chief priests, at midday, O King, I saw on the way alight from heaven, brighter than the sun, shinning all around me and those who were journeying with me. And when we had all fallen to the ground, I heard a voice saying to me in the Hebrew dialect, 'Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me? It is hard for you to kick against the goads'. And I said, 'Who are Thou, Lord?' And the Lord said, 'I am Jesus whom you are persecuting. But arise, and stand on your feet; for this purpose I have appeared to you, to appoint you a minister and a witness not only to the thing which you have seen, but also to the things in which I will appear to you; delivering you from the Jewish people and from the Gentiles, to whom I am sending you, to open their eyes so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the dominion of Satan to God, in order that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who have been sanctified by faith in Me."

Note: In this second narration, Paul says; Jesus Christ himself personally gave all the instructions for his future role as a minister. And, Jesus Christ himself personally appointed Paul as his Minister. Paul did not mention in this narration about Jesus telling him to take the instructions from some one else when he goes to the City of Damascus.
Similarly, in the earlier narration Paul did not mention he was given any instruction of his Ministry directly by Christ himself during the Vision.
This cuts down the defence that Paul was given the "Instructions" directly, as well as told to take more "Instructions", when in Damascus.



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WHAT IS THE TRUTH?
IF Jesus had already given the needed guidance to Paul and also made him the Minister then why the story of a disciple of Jesus named Ananias breaking the news of appointment to Paul, three or four days later in the city of Damascus, who already knew it? (see Acts 22:14)



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Defence from the readers:

The common defence that I have so far heard from the readers is that the first narration is a shorter version of the encounter and the second is a longer version. To this I say; please read carefully the above "Notes" and the "Question" with an open mind and then "honestly" and "truthfully" reflect, if you are indeed a Seeker of The Truth,
Does NOT the Second Narration contradict and repudiate the First Narration? If it does, then would an appointee of Christ make TWO self contradictory statements and then go against the teachings of Christ?

Remember Jesus said:
", and the truth shall make you free". Jn 8:32.



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Fundamental Question:
Did Jesus Christ personally speak of the sanctification by faith in Jesus, as narrated in the second narration by "Saint Paul"?

If your answer is YES: Then the text which reads, "And the Lord said to me, "Arise and go on into Damascus; and there you will be told of all that has been appointed for you to do" should be the UNTRUTH.

If your answer is NO: Then the rest of the writings of Paul and Paul's theory of Justification by Faith, should be the UNTRUTH.

Finally, if you are at a Cross Road; Which path should you take?
A path shown by a so called "Minister" of Jesus, or a path shown by the "Messiah" of God, if they both differ in the fundamental teachings? Please read Mt. 5:19 and 19:17.

A Recent Christian Criticism on the subject:
Under the heading; "Responses to Akbarally Meherally's site", Section A, Part 4, sub-heading "Paul's Authority" and under the URL
http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Meherally/
the Christian Critic responds to the above question of Cross Road as under:

"Amen! I choose to follow Jesus and His servant Paul."

My Comments to the Critic's reply:

I have read that the Almighty God, under the Trinitarian Concept, could exist simultaneously as "Three Persons". And, could supposedly take THREE different paths simultaneously living in Three different forms. But, I have not read that a Believer of Trinity could also exist simultaneously as "Two Persons" and could take Two different paths, one going to the Right and the other going to the Left!!!
I wonder, where would "he" go to sleep, at the end of the day?



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THE CONTRADICTORY RECORDS,
On this fundamentally vital subject of the discourse between Jesus and Paul, it is recorded as under, in the Book of Acts:

That the men traveling with Paul, stood speechless, hearing the voice, but seeing no one. (9 :7)
That the men traveling with Paul, saw the light but did not hear the voice of the one who was speaking to Paul. (22 : 9)
Can the above discordant records be defended as the longer and the shorter records? Surprisingly, in chapter 26 there is no mention of men seeing or hearing anything, although the discourse recorded here is much longer than those recorded in chapters 9 and 22 !!!

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YOU BE THE JUDGE,

I am repeating below the story that I tell my audience:

Say, you went to a Sermon and heard a Minister saying that last month while he was sitting on a bench in a park an elderly man came and set next to him. The elderly gentleman identified himself as a Professor of Theology. The Minister asked the Professor: "How to have an eternal life?" The Professor suggested that he should go to the public library get a particular book by the famous author and read the relevant chapter on the subject. The Minister thereupon go to that library and borrowed that book and read the suggested chapter. He added; It was an enlightening material on the subject of Eternal Life and he was fortunate to have met that Professor of Theology.

Say, the next Sunday you went to another Church and happen to see the same Minister speaking from the pulpit of that Church. The Minister repeats the same story and also repeat asking the same question to the same Professor. But, this time the Minister changes that story. He tells that the Professor of Theology opened his brief case, took out the book by that famous author and the Professor read the entire chapter on the subject of Eternal Life to the Minister.

Say, if you were to raise your hand and ask that Minister; "How many times have you met this Professor of Theology?" And, if that Minister was to reply: "My son, I have met this Professor only once."

Please tell me; Would you like to hear the rest of his Sermon

Did Paul meet Jesus once or more than once, on his way to Damascus?
DID JESUS GIVE THE MESSAGE DIRECTLY TO PAUL ON HIS WAY TO DAMASCUS OR TOLD HIM TO GO TO DAMASCUS FOR THE MESSAGE?
TO SAY BOTH ARE TRUE HISTORICAL FACTS IS TO SAY I LOVE LIES,
Paul's Confession to his Falsehood!!!

Please read below what Paul has questioned to the readers of his Epistle, and then you be the Judge of Paul's Confession to Falsehood.

Paul interrogates:
"But if through my falsehood ("lie" in K.J.V.), God's truthfulness abounds to his glory, why am I still being condemned ("judged" in K.J.V.), as a sinner?"
Romans 3:7 (N.R.S.V.)
Would you knowingly and consciously encourage your own children to resort to "Falsehood" so that they may Glorify the God before others?
Does your God seek such "False Glory" from you or your children??
Jesus claimed he was "the Truth" (Jn. 14:6); and he preached "the Truth shall make you free" (Jn. 8:32); and he also declared that the "another Advocate" that was to come after him would be "the Spirit of Truth" (Jn. 14: 16/17), under the circumstances it is most unlikely that he would personally appoint anyone to carry forward his mission that would "through his falsehood" try to Glorify the truthfulness of God.

MAJORITY OF THE CHRISTIANS I C THESE DAYS ARE OF PAUL,BLINDED BY CIVILIZATION,READ BELOW AND LEARN
Disobeying the Everlasting Commandment of God;
Disregarding the Stern Warning by Jesus Christ;
Blindly following the Rebellious "RULE"
ordained unilaterally by Paul;
Is this the True Christianity?


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The "Everlasting Command" of God:

God said to Abraham, "As for you, you shall keep my covenant, you and your offspring after you throughout their generations. This is my covenant, which you shall keep, between me and you and your offspring after you; Every male among you shall be circumcised. You shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskins, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between me and you. Throughout your generations every male among you shall be circumcised when he is eight days old, including the slave born in your house and the one bought with money from any foreigner who is not your offspring. He that is born in your house, and he that is bought with your money both must be circumcised. So shall my covenant be in your flesh an everlasting covenant. Any uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin shall be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant." Genesis 17:  9 to 14
Note:
1.  The quoted Scripture is very explicit about "PHYSICAL" circumcision.

2.  This Covenant of "physical circumcision" was made an EVERLASTING COMMAND by God Himself, for Abraham and his generations to come.

3. To advocate that by the historicity of the Crucifixion of Jesus or by the Blood of Jesus, the divinely instituted everlasting covenant had been REPLACED and/or AMENDED, is to pronounce that GOD who instituted the Law of "Physical Circumcision" was not aware of the future events to happen.
 

The "Stern Warning" by Jesus:  

Think not that I have come to destroy the law or the prophets; I have not come to destroy but to fulfill. For verily I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter, not one stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.    Matthew 5: 17 to 19
Note:
1. God had earlier Declared in Genesis 17: 14 that any one who has Broken His Covenant had cut himself from his people i.e., he is not among the chosen.

2.  Jesus had Sternly Warned in Matt. 5: 19 that one who Breaks the God's Commandment or so teaches others, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven. This warning was a re-affirmation of God's Declaration in Gen. 17: 14.

3. If his crucifixion was to alter the God's Eternal Commandment, Jesus would not have Warned his disciples so strictly; Do not break the commandments.
 

The "Rebellious Rule" of Paul:

, This is my rule in all the churches. (", And so ordain I in all churches." translation by K.J.V.). Is any man called being circumcised? Let him not become uncircumcised. Is any man called being uncircumcision? Let him not be circumcised. Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but obeying the commandments of God is everything. Let each of you remain in the condition in which you were called in.     1 Corinthians 7: 17-20
Note:
1.  Paul had ordained his own RULE for all the Churches.

2.  Paul wrote: "Obeying the Commandments of God is everything."

3.  We know that the "physical" circumcision was the Commandment of God.

4.  Yet, Paul taught in his writings: Circumcision is nothing. This RULE of Paul was a Proclamation of a Treason in the Kingdom of God. Should a true Disciple obey the RULE of Paul and discard the WARNING by Jesus Christ?

An admonishment from the Glorious Qur'an:

"Say: O People of the Book! You have naught (of guidance) till  
you observe the Torah and the Gospel and that which was revealed unto you from your Lord. That which is revealed unto thee (Muhammad) from thy Lord is certain to increase the contumacy  
and disbelief of many of them. But grieve not for the disbelieving folk."       Glorious Qur'an  5: 68
Note:
1. The observance of the TORAH and the GOSPEL is Commanded and NOT of the EPISTLES, written by Apostles / Ministers ordaining their own RULES.

2. The Bible tells us that Paul was a "minister" of Jesus and not a Prophet.  

3. Jesus Christ was circumcised in his foreskin and so are the Muslim males.

Paul's Confession to his Falsehood!!!

Please read below what Paul has questioned to the readers of his Epistle, and then you be the Judge of Paul's Confession to Falsehood.

Paul interrogates:
"But if through my falsehood ("lie" in K.J.V.), God's truthfulness abounds to his glory, why am I still being condemned ("judged" in K.J.V.), as a sinner?"
                                       Romans 3:7 (N.R.S.V.)



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May Allah Guide everyone to His Own Truth,

Kenyan 28:


Yes I have not written to u but I must find time. What details do u exactly want? Ok let me go, in 2002(remember before the 1st test, I have no idea I had lived with the virus for how long) I visited a VCT and tested Positive and lived in denial till 2005 January 10th when I tested positive again in Nairobi Hospital lab. Dr. Mwangi of the same Hospital read the results to me, Between 2005 and 2009,I tested at least 13 times and the results were positive.I visited sooo many churches for prayers, took ALL manner of herbs but in vain until when I saw Pastor Chris on TV and planned to find him. Remember for close to 3 years I wanted to find Pr. Chris but didnt know how until a Pastor friend told me about the healing school. This pastor lived in Nigeria and South Africa and new very well about the healing school. And on 3rd of April, I tested NEGATIVE for the 1st time in south Africa after attending the healing school.



More details later.

@kenyan 28 I need the details of the doctor who manage your case and where he works  before u went to pastor n not the scientist that carried out the test.seriously mrs kenyan we can only try our best but i tell u u ar in a better position to provide us wt wat we need, even wat we didn't ask for and b4 i forget i hv replied your mail.tnx

Joagbaje:

I'm beginning to have doubts in your sincerity to get the truth. You are giving me impression as though you have made up your mind on what to believe. You don't want to hear of any proof otherwise. You should have called those numbers and hear their testimony. I will not lie to help God.

I DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE U AR SERIOUS WT WHAT U AR SAYING,ANYBODY COULD JUST PICK-UP A PHONECALL WE ALL NO THAT, DATS NOT A SURE PROVE,N TO CAP IT ALL HOW MANY OF U HV MADE EFFORT TO INVESTIGATE THE DETAIL EVIDENCE SIR JOHN POSTED IN THE BEGINNING OF THESE THREAD,I STRONGLY BELIEVE NON!!!

donnie:

My dear go and rest,

You have already been exposed, you wicked child of satan.

hey i think u sound more like a devil,if u don't hv anytin objective to say why don't u keep mute,u should challenge him constructively just like he has done n not abuse.nothing makes sense from wat u said.THINK

Kenyan 28:


quote author=Pimpu link=topic=193649.msg6328682#msg6328682 date=1278205399]
Why must we waste time on a very simple issue,if u claim d so called christ of christ embassy helped heal u then provide necessary information so that we can verify your claim n i dauth if u hv vissited an HIV ward anytime soon then u will no u ar mocking the million of hiv patient around the world.WORD OF ADVICE,NIGERIANS PLS RESTRAIN FROM ACT THAT MAKES U BELIEVE ANOTHER MAN CAN SOLVE your PROBLEMS OR MAKE U RICH MIRACULOUSLY.AM TELLING U,U AR ONLY DELAYING JUGDEMENT DAY.ALL THEY WANT IS your MONEY.THINK

"""THE FIRST TEST AFTER MY HEALING WAS DONE BY Dr. Ray Trip (White) of Health Thyme, Shop 142 Randburg Square Pretoria Avenue, South Africa Registration Number for my Cert is 4301262. The hospital number is 011 789 3322 P.O Box 1562 Randburg, And many more from VCTs.

@KENYAN 28,I HV NOT recieve ANY MAIL FROM U AND CAN U PLS PROVIDE DETAILS ABOUT your CASE BEFORE U GOT HEAL BY PASTOR christ.tns

MAN CAN BE FUNNY SOMETIME,I HOPE U WILL ALL LEARN FROM THESE

WHY MANY BIBLE SCHOLARS DO NOT ACCEPT “JESUS WAS GOD"?

Within the books of Holy Bible there are verses that are easy to understand, clear or unconditionally explicit and others are simply allegorical, ambiguous or obscure. When a “man of extraordinary faith” reads the passages from his “favored” version, he tries to hold fast to each and every verse that expressly, remotely or even dubiously supports his personal beliefs for "Lord Jesus". He steadfastly believes that with the addition of two key ingredients - “Reliance and Hope” - any seemingly doubtful and dubious verse can ultimately emerge as an easy to understand passage. A passage that would remove all his earlier reservations and convince him to accept Jesus Christ as his "True God". However, this kind of pietistic approach with blind faith does not alter the text that was originally written by the Gospel writers.

Let us survey what realistically happens when these obscure or cryptic verses are rationally studied by the bible scholars. Such scholarly studies are usually conducted from all encompassing overall perspectives. Following these studies often give us an insight into the primary source document. The language in with the text was written by the author. These are the tools that help the readers in arriving at the true understanding of the author's mind. One other tool that if often recommended is the use of "human mind", a blissful gift given by God. Why would Christ Jesus, the righteous teacher and messiah, teach us to love our God "with all our mind" (Matthew 22:37), if the use of our logic and human brain to understand God's Word was to be regarded as the non religious methodology?


LIST OF VERSES STUDIED:
(Section One)
1. "I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE" JOHN 10:30 Must read item.
2. "HE WHO HAS SEEN ME HAS SEEN THE FATHER" JOHN 14:9
3. "GO THEREFORE AND MAKE DISCIPLES IN THE NAME OF, " MT. 28:19
4. "FOR THERE ARE THREE THAT BEAR WITNESS, " 1 JOHN 5:8
5. ", LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE." GENESIS 1:26
6. "THOMAS SAID TO JESUS, 'MY LORD AND MY GOD" JOHN 20:28
7. ", AND (MAGI) FELL DOWN, AND WORSHIPPED HIM." MT. 2:11
(Section Two)
8. "BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS BORN, I AM" JOHN 8:58
9. ", AND SAT DOWN AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD" MARK 16:19
10. ", IF YOU CONFESS JESUS AS LORD" ROMANS 10:9-10
11. "IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD" JOHN 1:1to 9 and 14 Must read item.
12. "AND HIS NAME SHALL BE , ALMIGHTY GOD" ISAIAH 9:6
13. "AND THEY SHALL CALL HIS NAME IMMANUEL" MATTHEW 1:23
14. "WALKED UPON A SEA; RAISED LAZARUS" MT. 14:25 & JOHN 11:44
15. "EXISTED IN THE FORM OF GOD, DlD NOT REGARD EQUALITY" PHIL. 2:6/7
16. "I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA" REVELATION 1:8 New item.
More to be added soon,

Verse No. 1
Jesus said: "The Father and I are one." (John. 10:30).
Perceived by the "man of extraordinary faith": This verse proves, Jesus was God, like his Father.

Study No. 1
In Greek, the language of the John's Gospel, the word 'heis' (masc.) means; 'Numerical one' and 'hen' (neut.); means
'Unity - in purpose'. In this verse apostle John has used 'hen' (Strong's #1520). Hence, the apostle was speaking of the "Unity in purpose". Those who may not be familiar with the Greek language or cannot have the access to the world famous concordance by James Strong may please look up the marginal notes in New American Standard Bible (NASB), to find out the specific meaning of this word with reference to this verse.

The next obvious question could be; What was that "Unity in purpose"? It was of conveying the Divine Message to mankind. Jesus passed on that Message and his Mission to his disciples. After having done that Jesus declared:
"And the glory which Thou hast given me, I have given to them (disciples); that they may be one, just as we are one."
(John 17:22).

Jesus also said: "Holy Father, protect them in your name that you have given me, so that they may be one, as we are one."
(John 17:11).

In both the above verses the Greek word used by the apostle is 'hen' (Strong's # 1520). No upright and God fearing individual would go to the length of admitting that Jesus had declared the Twelve Disciples to be "co-equal" in status, like him or like his Father.

A question often raised is; If Jesus had not declared himself being "God", why did the Jews pick up the stones and were ready to kill him, upon hearing these words? The reply appears in the text that follows and there also appears a noteworthy conversation between Jesus Christ and Jews. Jesus did acknowledge before this angry crowd (see verse 36), that:

a) He was "sanctified" by God.
(This act cannot be performed unless there are "two distinctly independent entities or parties". One party was doing the act of "sanctifying" while another was being "sanctified".

b) He was "sent " by God.
(This text proves; One entity was "the sender", while the other was "the sent".

c) He was "son" of God.
(This text proves; Jesus who had earlier quoted a verse from the Psalm to his contenders, was only asserting to be "the children of the Most High". Please read Psalm 82:6 and 7, for the details).

To say otherwise would simply indicate; Jesus who was "God Himself", upon seeing the stones being pickedwas petrified. He either mutated or modified his earlier Declaration of being "God" and involuntarily acknowledged that he was merely;
"a child of God, sent by God and sanctified by God".

Study Supportive Passage:
Jesus said: "I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I." (Jn. 14:28). This verse unequivocally refutes the assertion that Jesus was "co-equal" in status, with his Father.

Note:
Anyone who thinks that the word "greater" does not necessarily mean being greater in authority or higher in status, may please read John 13:16 along with 17:3.


Verse No. 2
Jesus said: "He who has seen me has seen the Father."
(John 14:9).
Perceived by the "man of extraordinary faith": This verse proves Jesus was God.

Study No. 2
One day to prove a point, Jesus picked up a child and said to his disciples; "Whoever receives this child in my name receives me; and whoever receives me receives Him who sent me;" (Luke 9:48).

This specific act of Christ Jesus and/or his explicit statement concerning this Child does not make; the Child and the Christ, co-equal or one in status.

The next plausible question would be did Jesus admit he too was sent by God just as he was sending the Child? The answer is found several verses. Here are two:

Jesus said: ", and that I do nothing on my own, but I speak these things as the Father instructed me." John 8:28.

Jesus said: ", I have not spoken on my own, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak." John 12:49.

Study Supportive Passage:
Jesus said; "Truly, truly, I say to you, a slave is not greater than his master; neither one who is sent greater than the one
who sent him." (John 13:16).

Verse No. 3
Jesus said; "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit," (Matthew 28:19).

Perceived by the "man of extraordinary faith": This verse endorses the 'Doctrine of Trinity'.

Study No. 3
Peake's Commentary on the Bible, published in 1919, is regarded by many scholars to be the standard book of reference for the Bible study. Commenting on the above quoted verse, it records; "This mission is described in the language of the church and most commentators doubt that the trinitarian formula was original at this point in Mt.'s Gospel, since the NT elsewhere does not know of such a formula and describes baptism as being performed in the name of the Lord Jesus (e.g. Ac. 2:38, 8:16, etc.)."

Tom Harpur, author of several bestsellers and a former professor of New Testament, writes in his book 'For Christ's Sake'; "All but the most conservative of scholars agree that at least the latter part of this command was inserted later. The formula occurs nowhere else in the New Testament, and we know from the only evidence available (the rest of the New Testament) that the earliest Church did not baptise people using these words - baptism was "into" or "in" the name of Jesus alone."

The quoted verse (irrespective of it being authentic or otherwise), does not indicate that the three names mentioned are "co-equal" in their status and were also "co-eternal" in the time frame. Unless these two important qualifications are acknowledged, the verse fails to endorse the fundamental belief and principle of the 'Doctrine of Trinity'.

Any one who joins Islam also recites two names ; "Allah" and "Muhammad", while admitting the ordained Islamic "Confession of Faith". But the later is regarded as the "servant" and "messenger" of Allah.

If the Father and His Son were both in "existence" from the Day One, and no one was, a micro second before or after, and, no one was "greater or lesser" in status, then why one is called the Father and the other His begotten Son?

Study Supportive Passage:
"And Peter said to them, 'Repent, and let each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins;, '" (Acts 2:38).

It is most unlikely that apostle Peter could have disobeyed the specific command of his master for baptizing in the "three names" and instead baptized these people in "one" name.

Verse No. 4
"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father,
the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one."
I John 5:7.
Perceived by the "man of extraordinary faith": This verse endorses the 'Doctrine of Trinity'.

Study No. 4
The text quoted above does appear in the older editions of the Kings James Version, but has been omitted in the recent editions of the Revised Version. It does not appear in the New American Standard Bible, the New English Bible, the New Revised Standard Version (Catholic Edition), the Revised English Bible, the New International Version and many other revised versions because the quoted passage does not appear in the older Greek manuscripts.

Renowned historian Edward Gibbon calls the addition a "Pious Fraud" in his famous history book 'Decline and Fall of Roman Empire'.

Peak's commentary on the subject reads; "The famous interpolation after "three witnesses" is not printed even in RSV., and rightly. It cites the heavenly testimony of the Father, the logos, and the Holy Spirit, but is never used in the early trinitarian controversies. No respectable Greek MS contains it. Appearing first in a late 4th-cent. Latin text, it entered the Vulgate and finally the NT of Erasmus.

Study Supportive Passage:
Notwithstanding the above rejections, here is the next verse, number 8, as it is found in Kings James Version;
"And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood; and these three agree in one."

Are these three witnesses "co-equal"? Can blood be substituted with water? Can water be regarded as the same in any respect with the Spirit? Just as the spirit, the blood and the water are three separate entities, so are the first three witnesses, namely; the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

Verse No. 5
"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness, " Gen. 1:26.
Perceived by the "man of extraordinary faith": The use of terms "us" and "our" proves; the God created man through Jesus in "their" image. The Creator was not a singular entity.

Study No. 5
The editors of King James Version (The Hebrew-Greek Key Study Bible, 6th edition) write this in their commentary:

"The Hebrew word for God is 'Elohim' (430), a plural noun. In Genesis 1:1, it is used in grammatical agreement with a singular verb `bara' (1254), created. When plural pronouns are used, "Let us make man in our image after our likeness," does it denote a plural of number or the concept of excellence or majesty which may be indicated in such a way in Hebrew? Could God be speaking to angels, the earth, or nature thus denoting Himself in relation to one of these? Or is this a germinal hint of a distinction in the divine personality? One cannot be certain."

The response to the commentators remark; "One cannot be certain", lies not very far, but in the next verse (Genesis 1:27), which reads; "And God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them." This statement tells us that the actual act of creation when performed, was performed by "Him" and in "His" image and not by "Us" in "Our" image.

Furthermore, upon reading the following four verses from the Book of Genesis in connection with the creation, wherein the pronoun used by the author is "he" and not "we", clears the doubt and positively indicates; God Created His Creation Himself. The verses are Genesis 1:31, 2:2; 2:8 and 5:2.

Study Supportive Passage:
"And he (Jesus) answered and said unto them, 'Have you not read, that He which made them at the beginning made them male and female.'" (Matthew 19:4). This statement by Jesus also affirms that the Creator was a singular entity.


Verse No. 6
Thomas said to Jesus; "My Lord and my God." John 20:28
Perceived by the "man of extraordinary faith": Since Jesus did not rebuke Thomas, upon hearing the above explicit statement declaring him as God, proves he was God.

Study No. 6
Here is the entire text from the 'New American Standard Bible' John 20 : 27-28:

"Then he (Jesus) said to Thomas, 'Reach here your finger, and see my hands, and reach here your hand, and put it into my side; and be not unbelieving, but believing.' Thomas answered and said to him, 'My Lord and my God!'"

Please observe the mark of exclamation (!) at the end of the phrase. The King James Version has removed the exclamation mark.

Please notice there was no question asked in the entire narration. Hence, the text which reads "Thomas answered" is inaccurate.

The last phrase "My Lord and my God!" was not an answer but it was an outburst by Thomas, having seen something inexplicable and baffling. It is not unusual that a man cries out; "O' my God!" when he sees something totally bizarre.

Below are the texts from two reputed versions of the Bible
that support what Thomas said was not an answer to any question.

'New English Bible': Thomas said, "My Lord and my God!"

'Phillips Modern English Bible': "My Lord and my God!" cried Thomas.

Study Supportive Passage:
Apostle John writes, immediately after the discourse between Jesus and Thomas; "Many other signs therefore Jesus also performed in the presence of the disciples,which are not written in this book; but these have been written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ."

If John had recognized the answer by Thomas to be a testimony for the 'Deity of Jesus', and the observed silence by Jesus to be his acquiesce to such a testimony, then the apostle John would have asked us to believe "Jesus is the God", instead of "Jesus is the Christ" in the above verse.

Verse No. 7
"And when they (wise men from east) were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and (they) fell down, and worshipped him." Matthew 2:11
Perceived by the "man of extraordinary faith": Worshipping anyone other than God is a major sin and yet the wise knowingly worshipped Jesus, shows he was God.

Study No. 7
The Greek word used by the apostle in the above verse is 'prosekunesan'. It is derived from 'proskuneo' (4352), which literally means bow, crouch, crawl, kneel or prostrate.

The three wise men were looking for the prophesied Messiah. Upon seeing the one, they bowed to the ground and paid their homage which is expected. There is no text of their prayers. The editors of K.J.V. have mistranslated the text. Below are the two versions with the correct translations.

Study Supportive Passage:
In the 'New English Bible' the text of the quoted verse reads; 'bowed to the ground".

In the 'New Revised Standard Version' the text of the quoted verse reads: "they knelt down and paid him homage".

TO BE CONTINUE:PART TWO