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proo212: This lagosshia guy is a work of art. He quotes from a website about Islam that concludes the above and in return quotes a bunch of verses from the Bible (which he always has ready by the way) out of context and posts them trying to score cheap points.

Amazing! The depths you will sink just to portray your Islam in a good light. You guys work round the clock to do this but the odds are always against you.

This is because of despiration. Always wants to prove/make a point.

Muslims for you dear!

frosbel: ^^^

Have we not overflogged this issue, or do you think I want to spend the rest of my life on Nairaland .


Jesus Christ pre-existed in the mind of GOD from the beginning of creation for the salvation of mankind. He was indeed always on the mind of God and this was made known through prophecies, psalms and other parts of scripture that pointed to this great event that was to happen at a future date.

Your problem is understanding bible language and the context of scripture.


Jesus was manifest in the flesh at the right time according to the Word of GOD and was birthed as the SON of GOD not as an angel incarnated as a MAN. This is just plain
heresy.


I don't really want to get dragged into endless debates, suffice me to say that only
0.01% of Christians hold this strange view of Jesus as angel Michael.

It is totally false.

God mind? So you are gradually accepting His existance?
Frosbel........ e no go ta, you go finally accept those scriptures just as they are.

pastormustwacc: By the power vested in me as the original creator of the thread, i will now declare this thread closed before them kill me with orisi-risi theories!

You neva see anything oo, stay here and tell us what you learnt so far from this thread you created. By the way, Wetin be oritsi-oritsi? Na the Scripture proves?
I trust no.....

TroGunn: It's surprising that you still comment on this thread. Your inability to offer any meaningful response to all the scriptures listed which clearly showed Jesus preexisted is disappointing. Ignore the scriptures and run away all you want, the biblical facts will always remain.

I wouldn't have say it better.....honestly @Frosbel fall my hand for this thread.

All He can say is *WRONG* ! haba na so so wrong you dey see bros...?

frosbel: Wrong.

This is the JW stance on this matter not the TRUTH from scripture.

The Bible says different, Jesus Christ is not Angel Michael.

And please tell me why this was not an original part of the JW teachings, it was only added later on.

Bros...if there is anything wrong is the blind eyes you have been keeping to those Scriptures that Proved Christ pre-existance.

Todaynatoday: Oluwa, Chineke, Ubangiji, Osanoboa, Abasi, God!!!!!!!!
What is going on here? 27 pages and still no conclusion!!! *mhen i've gats to un-follow this thread. So much confusion*

This @2dayna2day don finish me with laugh here ooo

true2god: My question to u is dis, do u accept all what watchtower is teaching u today as nothing but the truth? I guess your answer to this question is YES in the affirmative.

If watchtower comes tomorrow and teach a slightly different thing (if anoda light gets brighter), against what u hav been tradtionally taught as 'the bible truth', will u accept it without question?

Welcome bk from work. please leave watchtower out of these, there aremany comments you have skiped, scroll back to answer them. i want to believe you are less busy now. So please try to refute those scriptures. Thank you.

ralfo85: Maybe we should go back to properly understanding the purpose of that statement by paul. It was not meant to prove that Jesus was not an Angel, but that he has surpassed the angels by decree of God and has attained a loftier position. YOU may read the same Hebrews 1 from verse 1, or better still just from verse 4.
The words in verse 5 are a quotation from Psalms 2:7 (Psalm 2:7 New International Version (NIV)7 I will proclaim the Lord’s decree:He said to me, “You are my son; today I have become your father.)
The tone of the passage suggests a change of status, like an adoption. Thus Paul could infer that Jesus attained a change of status and has now attained a position that is unique and makes him different from the angels. He is now God's son has be given the power and authority that only the "only begotten son of God" could have.

Paul was encouraging the hebrew christians through these arguments to show them that faith in Jesus vital for there salvation, and that all that he said about himself was sure to come true. Reading Hebrews 2:1,2 makes this fact clearer, where he states that if all the words God spoke through angels came true (facts that they the Hebrew Christians have evidence of since they were of jewish background), would the declarations of God through his only begotten son not come true? If they believed in the angels, it would be unreasonable to lose faith in Jesus given that he was (is)God's own son, not just a messanger (like the angels)

Pauls words don't prove that Jesus was not an angel.

Dont mind them jare, they will pretend not to have understanding of this verse they keep qouting it out of context. Christ went through some changes that gave him a higher position. for one to truelly believe on whar He was before, he/she must start from the OT. No one/man has seen God. So it has been Christ during the old days.

Boomark: I never said God cannot use anybody for His purpose. My stand is that if God has used anybody, i want to see it in the scripture.

Concerning angel of the covenant and angel of the way clearer , that is just interpreted as messenger for uniformity sake. Rev made it clear...angel of the churches.

So u want to say, PAUL did not refers that *Angel of the lord* during the crossing from Egypt to be *Christ*? what else do you want as prove?

mkmyers45: and 1peter 5:13 isnt?

HOW DOES THIS EXPLAIN YOUR STANDS? it didnt say {Peter built a temple/church called the *universal*}

proo212: This has been discussed severally here that Peter never stepped in Rome and his grave definitely is not in Rome...

Yes it has, but they will still come up with this claim.
You should know by now that the virus of tradition in the church is very effective, they will continue to argue what they cannot bkup with the Scripture.

That´s the effect of men tradition.

engrtee: Is BIBLE in d bible?

I said back your claim with Scripture, what has that got to do with ur question if «bible is in the bible » another traditional♪♪♪ in display!

mkmyers45: and who says the church started in Rome? Peter went to Rome toward the end of his life and there suffered martyrdom UNDER NERO. NO SOURCE describes the place of Peter's martyrdom as other than Rome. It seems most probable, on the whole, that Peter died a martyr's death IN ROME TOWARD THE CLOSE OF NERO'S REIGN, sometime AFTER the cessation of the general persecution.

“The Church here in Babylon, united with you by God’s election, sends you her greeting, and so does my son, Mark” (1 Pet. 5:13, Knox). Babylon is a code-word for Rome. It is used that way multiple times in works like the Sibylline Oracles (5:159f), the Apocalypse of Baruch (2:1), and 4 Esdras (3:1). Eusebius Pamphilius, in The Chronicle, composed about A.D. 303, noted that “It is said that Peter’s first epistle, in which he makes mention of Mark, was composed at Rome itself; and that he himself indicates this, referring to the city figuratively as Babylon.”

This is the tradition we are not to accept. You can´t do better than the Scripture can you?

Okukk: So what make's this couple pauper now!!!! Na lust of the eyes and lust of the flesh dey worry you... I thump up for this couple to be so discipline and not allowing the fashion trend to enter into them. Happy marriage life

God bless you jare, i´m so sure they were the happiest married couple on that day. Of a truth,They are good example.

The couple are pleased with thier outfit, they do this to the glory of God. What other people think in not important. Afterall, They did not get married to please the world.

I ADMIRE THEM WITH PASSION.

Goshen360: ^^^ Thank you my brother. We argued the author so well in the past on this thread. I have come to agree and conclude that the author will always be a debate and we can never agree on who the author is. However, the book is deep and the exposition great. If many believers can study this book, they will certainly be delivered from mixing old and new testament together, they will focus on Jesus - The Author and Finisher of our Faith!

AGREED. i will go through ur thread. I hope it contains same issue as this very one.

MERCI MON FRERE DE NL

RanchOwner: The letter to the Hebrews is one of the books of the bible which is difficult to ascertain who wrote it, but the receivers is well-known, the Hebrews or Jews.
Various names like Paul, Peter, even James the half brother of Jesus have been suggested as authors.
However what is known about the book, is that it was written to Jews in the diaspora (those Jews who are now converted and not living in Jerusalem). These Jews still practised the old Jewish customs in their various synagogues across the Roman empire.
The author's intention is to take the Hebrews through the old testament book of Leviticus about priesthood and how they now have a better priesthood in Jesus Christ. Showing them to discard their old customs and traditions and take up a more better option.
If thorough study is done, one will find a number of quotations from the book of Leviticus in Hebrews.

You are on point bro..thanks for contributing! So how will you associate the two verses i posted with PAUL`s usual writting?

Goshen360: ^^^ I believe Apostle Paul wrote the book with many proves from the book. The change in style of writing is to capture the heart of the Jewish believers in order to let them know God is done away with Judaism. Let me try find the thread I did and pull some hints for you. I'll be right back.

Well, The two chapters i posted hardly surports PAUL´s usual manner of writting. Paul`s epistles, are usually personal letters to churches and individuals. But Hebrews is written to an entire group people, given a different occassion, anyway, this may surport your suggestion on the writing style as a way of capturing them. . But i would like you to Take a deep look at these scriptures again.

heb 2:6 But ★One has testified somewhere★ saying, WHAT IS MAN:.......

Heb 4:4 For ★He has said somewhere★ concerning the sabbath day; AND GOD RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY.....

Can you envision PAUL a trained pharisee and scholar for that matter, referring to « what is written» *as one has testified somewhere* ?

Goshen360: We can say alot about the book of Hebrews and the Pastor who wrote it. This is my personal favourite book of the Bible. The book connects the Old and the New while it teaches the Old is gone. It's a book that set the NT Christians free from the manipulations of some pastors. Any Christian that study this book will love it because it exposes many false teachings of our days. It tells you what the Old Testament was meant to do and had done it. The New is here and God no longer operates in the ways he operated in the past - God operates and has now spoken in Christ.

New International Version (©1984)
1. In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways,

2. but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.

Hebrews 1:1-2

These two verse is what was divinely expanded all through the end of the book of Hebrews. I love this book so much. Glory to God!

Don't tell me you read onlt Hebrews in the whole of the Bible ? (jk)

How it is written in the beginning of the book "The Epistle To the Hebrews" (1:1) shows this letter was written either to Jewish believers or else Gentile believers interested in the OT, You are right about its "connection" with the OT. There are many appeals to the OT, and it warned against a return to Judaism.

So what have you to say about the thread body?

pastormustwacc: This is getting interesting, of course i know the thread is not about winners and losers.

Na you talk, correct man! you now know what the scriptures say as par this thread.

No need to danse around again

Boomark: Mt 11:14
New International Version
(©1984)
And if you are willing to
accept it, he is the Elijah
who was to come.

Luke 1:17
New International Version (NIV)
17 And he will go on before the
Lord, in the spirit and power of
Elijah, to turn the hearts of the
parents to their children and

the
disobedient to the wisdom of
the
righteous—to make ready a
people
prepared for the Lord.”

place them side by side and study them. John said no, Jesus said yes. John did not
even know Christ but Christ knew him.

The bible didn't teach reincarnation but for the will of God to come to pass, it happened the way it happened .

You know this yet You have been argueing since morning, ignoring all scriptures that interpreted themselves. Even when they are so plain pointing at Christ as the "Angel of the lord". Is it fun to ignore scripture for arguement sake?

mkmyers45: but he did start up a church with Peter as bishop no? Where's the church peter started?

Back ur claim with Scripture....did the scripture ever told that Peter ever steped to Rome?
Prove it, then we can talk.

Kay 17: Exactly! Jesus left only a church not pentecostals, or deeper lifes or Redeems

And when was that church formed? Scripture told us the day that Christ Church was form. The name was not called Catholic or redeem or baptist etc.....

Lovethywilbedon: Point of correction,all these religious shops, investments or establishments you call churchs are not formally called penticostals but rather PROTESTANTS and that is what they will always be. Just look at how you employed logic in PROTESTING about a historical fact that you cannot change. Even non christians and Anglicans knows that The HOLY ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH is the one and only Church founded by JESUS CHRIST. No other christian denomination can date as little as 5 centuries back. Please if you don't know the history of your estabishment go and ask your CEO.

So didnt Peter mentiond the name of His church in the Bible?
Please back ur cliam with scripture or you keep that to urself.

Who do you think authored it?


1) Paul
2) Barnabas
3) Apollos
4) Timothy
5) Combination of two or more.

I not so sure of who penned this Book, but I believed God wrote it by using man as a tool.
This tool used is what i'm simply curious to identify, so i would like to know what others think.

Several persons argue Paul, Apollos, Barnabas or Timothy. This appears to be a tough one that is basically unanswerable with any absolute certainty.
I think some section of the book, may leads to believe that Paul did wrote it though.

(Hebrews 13:22-24) 22 And I beseech you, brethren, suffer the word of exhortation: for I have written a letter unto you in few words.
23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty; with whom, if he come shortly, I will see you.
24 Salute all them that have the rule over you, and all the saints. They of Italy salute you.

Seeing in most of Paul's writing, Timothy seem to be under or working with Paul's ministry.
This shosw Paul wrote this very letter.

And this one:(2 Peter 3:15-16) 15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Scripture itself gave the most compelling. Peter wrote this to the Hebrews (The Jews).again see Galatians 2:7,9 Peter is "confirming" that Paul had also written a letter to the Hebrews!(2 Peter 3:15-16).

Now take a look at this section: All other times Paul references Scripture, he does not address it this way.

Hebrews 2:6 - But one has "testified somewhere", saying, "WHAT IS MAN, THAT YOU REMEMBER HIM ? OR THE SON OF MAN, THAT YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT HIM?

Hebrews 4:4 - For He has said "somewhere" concerning the seventh day: "AND GOD RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY FROM ALL HIS WORKS ";

I think the way Scripture is referenced here doesn't read like Paul.
The way the author referred back to the OT is not how Paul referred back to them. I don't know if anyone is seeing it?

Again here in:Hebrews 2:3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
It seems that the readers did not see or hear Jesus in His earthly ministry. This does not discribe Paul.

What do you think? Anything to add or something that doesn't sound right? your views please.

God bless.

mezdim: @ poster from the origination of your topic,it tells how lost you have been since birth,how unintelligent you are,how backward you are and you continue bringing condermnation to yourself and your generation.
my advice to you,pray to God to give you the grace to love him.it is when you have a heart for God,every other thing will take place.

Heavenly Father forgive these souls for they dont know what the are doing,let the rhema of shiloh hit them so the will encounter you and spread the gospel in Jesus name,Amen. God bless you.

Lord Babs: comprehension problem! English Skills! Who is asking you to pray for death? My question is this again, DO YOU MIND DYING BEFORE THIS YEAR RUNS OUT?

Take a look at your question and consider the above post from @mezdim. Young children of NL trying to mingle up!
Well, I'am out of ur thread, before it results insults. Ciao!

obadiah777: THESE HEATHENS THINK IT IS EASY TO READ THE WHOLE BIBLE. WE NEED TIME. AT LEAST 100 YEARS

You are funny!

Lord Babs: shiioo! You call that epistle wisdom? Smh!

And your question intelligent is? The anwser is best for your question what do you think?

If you are a Christian you would have felt my point, and wouldn't have asked such question at the first place.

Lord Babs: comprehension problem! English Skills! Who is asking you to pray for death? My question is this again, DO YOU MIND DYING BEFORE THIS YEAR RUNS OUT?

The act of praying to God to bring death in the face is a selfish act. It is an act that ignores the feelings of loved ones. God will not honor such prayer.

[size=14pt]You heard me right! You kwention is s.illy, Ask yourself such a question and place the answer here in public [/size]

No Christian will pray to die, get that in ur head?

pastormustwacc: This guy is a messenger from hell. I wonder who he is trying to impress with all that gibberish. He is still high on skunk

You too dey follow up Him entertaining posts

ijewkid: I want you to go check up the original hebrew and greek texts to fiÑd out really if the above translations you've labelled ""frauds"" are actually spurious or not...........

@OP, this is a very Honest advise. If you have no hiden agender, take this above advise. Maybe you could have ur own Version who knows

Free123 Version

Logicboy03: Tu es malade

Do you understand what you have just said? If yes what warrant you to say such? I didn' talk to you