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BARRISTERS: @frobel



on what grounds,

you gave us one ground that makes angel not qualified to redeem humans,because you said that they are lower in rank to jesus,and moreso it is an insult to God.

Now using your analogy;

you said jesus did not pre-exist before beign born, which means when he was born as a human,(lower in rank to the angel),with the sole purpose of redeeming humans,

he is lower in rank to the angels(while on earth) was testified in hebrews 2:9

heb 2:9;

9 But we see [b]Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels [/b]for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

you are yet to answer this questions;

1, is it an insult to God that jesus was made a little lower than the angels(on earth)?

2, with his lower rank than the angel(on earth) is he qualified to redeem humans?

taking into consideration that 'you are making a case based on qualification' that angels are just low to be qualified for redeeming humans,

qualification-wise, is he qualified (on earth)to redeem humans?

if you start your Movement now, how do you answer your members these question popping up which you are yet to answer?

waiting!

Bros, thank you jare, you have been doing some good job here....They will ignore plain scripture that contradict thier believe.
That's the problem, initially, i thought everyone cares to know the truth of the bible, but this thread is an eye opening, people can argue just for arguement sake. Not because they want to hold on to what the scripture says.

frosbel: And I still say Jesus Christ , was not , is not and never will be an angel

Just tell us if you know better than Paul! No dey use ur own words dey pen things down like say na you get the final say

Same Event reffered to in three passages:

Behold, I send an Angel before you to keep you in the way and to bring you into the place which I have prepared.
Beware of Him and obey His voice; do not provoke Him, for He will not pardon your transgressions; for My name is in Him. Exodus 23:20-21

Paul just comes out with it and tells us that this Angel is Jesus!


Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea,
all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea,
all ate the same spiritual food,
and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ. 1 Corinthians 10:1-4.

[b]And the Angel of God, who went before the camp of Israel, moved and went behind them; and the pillar of cloud went from before them and stood behind them.
So it came between the camp of the Egyptians and the camp of Israel. Thus it was a cloud and darkness to the one, and it gave light by night to the other, so that the one did not come near the other all that night.
Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the LORD caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea into dry land, and the waters were divided.
So the children of Israel went into the midst of the sea on the dry ground, and the waters were a wall to them on their right hand and on their left.
And the Egyptians pursued and went after them into the midst of the sea, all PharaohÕs horses, his chariots, and his horsemen.
Now it came to pass, in the morning watch, that the LORD looked down upon the army of the Egyptians through the pillar of fire and cloud, and He troubled the army of the Egyptians. Exodus 14:19-24.[/b]

Exodus 23:20-21,1 Corinthians 10:1-4 and Exodus 14:19-24. For me, i believe they are speaking of the crossing of the red sea and of that cloud where God was. Since you do not agree with this, then Tell us what History these verses talk about?

true2god: @ Barrister, pls i need u tell the whole world reading your long post so far, is Jesus christ an angel? Please answer yes or no.

Thank u.

Ma broda/sister, i still need you to explain those previews scriptures directed to you.
Why ignoring them

pastormustwacc: ^^^all of una never reach agreement? No agreement!

My broda you go fear thread na
If not be say person dey avoid some kind comments the topic for don divert.
I hope we go agree with the scripture and figure out somethin because na the Bible dey interprets itself dey come since morning. Please let the thread continues..

Boomark: In v23, the wife was right they will not die because they did not see God. v20 shows that the angel did wonderful things while they look on. So manoah must have marveled at what he did. Even the angel in Gen 32:29 did not tell Jacob his name but he blessed him.

I want you to understand that every mistake made by bible characters will be recorded. Assuming you saw an angel, out of fear and trembling you fall to your face on the ground and shouted "O! My God." ubenedictus will read it and come here to tell us that you called the angel God therefore the angel is God. Look also at the reason why the Jews wanted to kill jesus. Some based their belief on it leaving out what Christ actually


said.

No bros, the Wife guaranteed him that They will not die because, if God coukd accept
thier sacrefies, it means they find favour in Gods sight. It was not talking of if the Angel did Wonderful thing (non). But i will not argue on this. When i will be on pc. I would like to ask you some questions. I hope to have the time to do that.

truthislight:
Jesus christ has been exalted above the Angels after coming to earth and went back to heaven.

While he was in heaven befor coming to earth he was the leader of the angel.

^^^
that is what this thread is all about.

This thread also shows that spirit messengers(sons) of Yahweh are called angels of which Jesus was also called the "messenger of the covanant"


the word archangel means the leader of the angels

stop your emotional argument and face the facts.
peace

Gbammmm.... they have not asked why should Two different persons be heading the Host of God. Christ leads Gods the armies of Heaven, we have seen scriptures that shows Michael does dsame thing. I'm just wondering. Not that am worshipping angel as some think.

Boomark: of course not!

You answered well according to the scripture. "to the firstborn of all creation" not to angel Michael.

Good work.

This bros...Boomark self .....

This your kwestion dem too big to answer. And as you no get stress, etc...why not just direct me to the socalled discussion? Abi you think say na only NL forum I dey visit? Well, forget it. The thread continues, no trow me sideline insultive kwestion please.

Peace!

OP you try no be small!

Boomark: New International Version
(©1984)
He replied, "Why do you
ask my name? It is
beyond understanding."

New Living Translation
(©2007)
"Why do you ask my
name?" the angel of the
LORD replied. "It is too
wonderful for you to
understand."

English Standard Version
(©2001)
And the angel of the LORD
said to him, “Why do you
ask my name, seeing it is
wonderful?”

New American Standard
Bible (©1995)
But the angel of the LORD
said to him, "Why do you
ask my name, seeing it is
wonderful?"

King James Bible
(Cambridge Ed.)
And the angel of the LORD
said unto him, Why askest
thou thus after my name,
seeing it is secret?


These are other translations. What you are trying to say is likened to a trinitarian who will say "since the Father is a mighty God and the Son will be called a mighty God, it means they are the same person."

The angel did not say his name is called "wonderful." But he asked them a question why they want to know his name. Whatever his name is, it is wonderful but he kept it secret.

The name Michael was revealed to us but this angel did not reveal his name. Unless you are trying to tell us that Jesus is another angel not Michael them we will be glad to learn from you.

Thank you broda, at least, you are the only one trying to treat some scriptures. But The only that translated "secret" is the one you selected.
I understood He asked a question with an answer. By revealing His name. The Angel expected them to know His Name.
God has never done things in secret. We have seen several occasions where Angels/messangers of Yahweh present thier names titles etc. So He didn't kept it secret.

If you read further you will see that they even believe they are going to die because they have seen God.
Judges 13:21-22 When the Angel of the LORD appeared no more to Manoah and his wife, then Manoah knew that He was the Angel of the LORD.
And Manoah said to his wife, "We shall surely die, because we have seen God!"

And to your question, The Angel that has God's name in Him & the Angel of His presence names were not mentioned either, (Exodus 23:20-21)(Isaiah 63:7-9) But the roles the angel Displayed and the authourity gaven to Him by Yahweh will evidently draw ones attension to believe that That Angel is Michael.
Beacuse He is the Only one that the Bible called the "GREAT PRINCE" Daniel 12:1
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

He has Helped Other Angel, possibly angel Gabriel see: Daniel 10:10-15.

Revelation 12:7 also told us that Michael and his angels fought the devil

And the armies in heaven, (Angels) clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him (Christ)on white horses. Revelation 19:14

I BRB, i ve got to leave now.

truthislight: this guy is a west of our time here.

If it was only you i would have left this thread since your issue has been over addressed.

Am sure Frosbel is intentionally ignoring these plain scriptures facing Him. He can't be correct why Christ Himself, John, Paul and other could be wrong

frosbel: Jesus Christ did not pre-exist as a spirit , he was BEGOTTEN through MARY as a MAN , as the Son of GOD.

Tell me , why did Jesus Christ have to pre-exist ?

My broda Frosbel, If Christ were only a human being born TWO THOUSAND yrs ago, who "became" the "Son of God," doesn't that take away from the "awesome love" the Father had for mankind?
Then He only sacrificed a human being not a truly "divine" Son with whom He had shared a family life for unnumbered ages!
This your idea relegates the idea of "divine love" to virtualy nothing more than great human love. see (John 3:16)& (John 17:5)
A slap in the face to the Father indeed! No scripture made meaning to you, even when Paul said Christ was the spiritual ROCK the Israelites drank during thier crossing.

Colossians 1:16 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether
thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.

Note: Here Paul says that "in" Jesus, "through" Jesus and "for" Jesus' all things have been created.
We must emphasize before all else that Paul did not say that 'all things were created "by" Jesus.'
This text did not teach so, but i believe no text in the NT Teaches that. To pair this with what "John" said makes it even clearer for viewers. John wrote:

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Go and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.
"Through" him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the
light of men. . . . The Word BECAME FLESH and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One
and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth" (John 1:1-4, & 14).

Christ is the word of God that existed before His earthly birth. He was also called in Rev: Revelation 19:13 He was clothed with
a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. It's so astonishing seeing someone denying all these scriptures
that prove His existance with the Father before He appeared to earth.

frosbel: Again my sister you are doing exactly what you accuse the Trinitarians of doing which is to assume that what you believe is in scripture , though it is not explicitly stated.

You cannot assume a doctrine, it is either in the bible as fact or it is not.

Show me in the bible where JESUS Christ or his apostles called him an angel ,or better still , show me in the OT where the prophets prophesied that angel Michael will incarnate as Christ.

Be careful of holding onto the doctrine of institutions . Think for yourself , do not allow others think for you, read your bible and examine the facts.

Angel worship is a serious sin in the eyes of GOD and not to be trifled with.

Jesus Christ has been made better than ALL the angels including Michael.

My belief is that Jesus will appear with his mighty angels and angel Michael will be one of them.

Please do not tie your beliefs to JW, SDA, Deeper life or whatever , tie them to the bible.

What was He before He came to earth is my question, i did not argue He was not made better than angels, I believe In His present statue that He is no longer angel.
We have seen several scriptures where Names are changed by Yahweh for reasons, will you also doubt that? God has been using Christ before He came to earth that is my arguement.
And He (Christ) has severally reffered to as an angel.

frosbel: Again my sister you are doing exactly what you accuse the Trinitarians of doing which is to assume that what you believe is in scripture , though it is not explicitly stated.

You cannot assume a doctrine, it is either in the bible as fact or it is not.

Show me in the bible where JESUS Christ or his apostles called him an angel ,or better still , show me in the OT where the prophets prophesied that angel Michael will incarnate as Christ.

Be careful of holding onto the doctrine of institutions . Think for yourself , do not allow others think for you, read your bible and examine the facts.

Angel worship is a serious sin in the eyes of GOD and not to be trifled with.

Jesus Christ has been made better than ALL the angels including Michael.

My belief is that Jesus will appear with his mighty angels and angel Michael will be one of them.

Please do not tie your beliefs to JW, SDA, Deeper life or whatever , tie them to the bible.

Ever since this thread started, i have beeen saying that This unique angel the OT referred to, that has been playing same roles as Jesus can be Jesus.
If that Angel is not Yahweh that accepted worship and cannot be seen and is called wonderful then to you, who was this Angel,? The reason why you find it difficult to accept this plain scripture is because you have refused several scriptures that plainly shows Jesus pre-existance. It will be wrong for you to also claim that GOD/YAHWEH is that Angel. Because No man has seen God at any time.
I am not saying Jesus is still referred to as angel. I will pressent some scriptures that shows the change of name, even in revelation, we are told That Jesus will bear a name that no one knows but only Him. If we agree things to be taken step by step we will arrive at the truth, instead using our own brain in doing the interpretations. All i have been doing is present you scriptures, you dodge and write out words from your mind.Are you saying that Paul did not know what He was saying? or are you saying that there are two bearing the name WONDERFUL?

free123: @Barrister
i can understand ur frustration seeing the fallacy u peddled for long being exposed in the light of the truth. It is a shame that anyone with different view from ur falsehood u lump same together with catholics. I got tired reading the nonsense u spewed above. Do u think lengthy and incoherent falsehood wins a case?
Quoting scriptures for u is a waste of time seeing that u have swallowed every bit of rubbish from watchtower and that will not allow u to see that Jesus Christ is not angel Michael even from d falsehood u peddle.
Last question for falsehood peddlers - where in ur own version of the bible is Jesus Christ called Archangel Michael?

[size=14pt] @plapp
Jesus existed as God and exists as God. Numerous scriptures attest to that [/size]

If Jesus existed as God then the bible or you have some problem here? No man Has See God in anyway, then Who is the captain of God's host that Joshua worshipped?
Don't tell me that Joshua saw Yahweh Exodus 33:20 But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live."
Take a look at the scripture in contradicting what you wrote up there!

Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you,
searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. 1 Peter 1:10-11.


As you can see, It was the Spirit of Christ that has always communicating with the prophets of old. So, if the Spirit of Christ had inspired the prophets of the OT,
then it makes very good sense to say that Joshua talked to Jesus. After all, Jesus is the word of God! Jesus has been the one who has communicated with man. This is why
"No one has seen God at any time". You cannot say that God is two are you? Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.

Again, Who is this Angel: Behold, I (Yahweh)send an Angel before you to keep you in the way and to bring you into the place which I have prepared.
Beware of Him and obey His voice; do not provoke Him, for He will not pardon your transgressions; for My name is in Him. Exodus 23:20-21

Lets see what Now Paul just comes out to tells who this Angel is: Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, all ate the same spiritual food, and all drank the same spiritual drink.
For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ. 1 Corinthians 10:1-4.

Now Let's go to Exodus and find specifically who it is that Paul is referring to, Take good note of the Italic and bold:

And the Angel of God, who went before the camp of Israel, moved and went behind them; and the pillar of cloud went from before them and stood behind them.
So it came between the camp of the Egyptians and the camp of Israel. Thus it was a cloud and darkness to the one, and it gave light by night to the other, so that the one did not come near the other all that night.
Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the LORD caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea into dry land, and the waters were divided.
So the children of Israel went into the midst of the sea on the dry ground, and the waters were a wall to them on their right hand and on their left.
And the Egyptians pursued and went after them into the midst of the sea, all PharaohÕs horses, his chariots, and his horsemen.
Now it came to pass, in the morning watch, that the LORD looked down upon the army of the Egyptians through the pillar of fire and cloud, and He troubled the army of the Egyptians. Exodus 14:19-24. What does this three passages teaches? are they talking of same event or not? and who is this Angel? I have more chapters to present but i would like yoy tp help us with this once first. Thank you.

BARRISTERS: @free123
i still repeat,where are the monies donated by relatives of dead ones to 'purgate' the soul of their dead loved ones which your fraudulent catholic priests are using to settle abuse cases,while they abandone those deads in a particular stage that they needed promotion to another stage. awon ole! why are you angry?



na wao, free123 is angry o! see am now! who wan make am cry, ok pele!

My broda, you have been doing a great job, but i will advise if we truelly want to achieve the aim of this thread
We should put unnecessery arguement aside. Lets face the point. I too want to know who that Angel the scripture told about is/was.

free123: Barrister
only a cultist will defend lies from his master - JW. False prophecies/predictions have been one of the hallmarks of JW, Lies and boastings, claims upon claims - no organisation read the bible more than we do, no organisation practise christianity more than we, christiendom is evil, we are the most hated, dont touch blood (while their prophets use drugs made from human blood) etc. Lies have been part of you. Shame will be urs when watchtower wakes up tomorrow and reviews its stand on some issues

Well, main looking at this thread, you will agree with the bold. As for me, i can testify one thing i know about them.
The Only christian group that sincerely follow Christ word no matter how small that village is, you must find them preaching from house to house.
When I was living in a very Big city. The JW's are the only group that have ever come to knock on my door to share the word of God.

When i relocated to a very Small village where you cannot even find a bank or supper market, This same JW's are still the only Christians that go everywhere.
Sure You can find a cathedral in smallest village, but you will never see one of thier member preaching in the street. Then How can people know Know Christ? Is the church building enough?

Mark 16:15 He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation.

I do not know your denomination, and i don't think is important in this thread, we are here to discusse bible why derail the thread with accusation? Please scroll back and answer those scriptures
I am learning things here!

true2god: Enof Bible verses hav been quoted on the earlier post. Dont turn a blind eye on them. Dnt close the holy Bible from me to read to open the watchtower magazines for me to read.

Which one have you treated clear?

Malawian: Introduction to the Angels



Since ancient times the Angels have been venerated with great respect. With the rise of New Age and Occultism comes an urgent need to understand these celestial benefactors in the light of our Catholic faith and tradition.

Angels are pure spirits, sinless servants of God. "Are they not all ministering spirits, sent to minister for them who shall receive the inheritance of salvation?" Heb. 1:13-14. The Angels are comprised of 9 choirs; Seraphim, Cherubim, Thrones, Dominions, Powers, Virtues, Principalities, Archangels and Angels. Particularly powerful are the 7 great Archangels spoken of in Apoc VIII:2 "And I saw 7 Angels standing in the presence of God".

When Luciel (Bearer of Light) rebelled against God and became Lucifer (Prince of Darkness) one entire choir of angels followed him and was lost. Many angels from other choirs also followed him in his rebellion. "And there was a great battle in heaven, Michael and his angels fought with the dragon, and the dragon fought, and his angels: And they prevailed not, neither was their place found any more in heaven. And that great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, who is called the devil and satan, who seduceth the whole world; and he was cast unto the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him." Apoc 12:7-9

7 angels from the second lowest choir were so outraged by the terrible offense to the dignity of the Most High they positioned themselves between the Throne of God and the infernal offenders, prepared to defend the honor and dignity of God, in spite of their inferiority to Lucifer and his legions. God was so moved by their heroic love he elevated them, enriching them with many new gifts and graces. So lofty was their new office that they were given the privilege of standing eternally before the Throne of God to carry out the Divine Will. "And from the throne proceeded lightnings and voices and thunders; and there were seven lamps burning before the throne, which are the seven spirits of God." Apoc 4:5. "Bless the Lord all ye His angels: you that are mighty in strength and execute His word, hearkening to the voice of His orders." Ps 102:20

The names of the 3 most commonly invoked Archangels, St. Michael, St. Raphael and St. Gabriel are found in Sacred Scripture. Unlike sects tied to a Bible-only understanding of God and creation we have sacred tradition, the writings of the saints and private revelation to expand our understanding and enlighten us.

In 1050 St. Celias made an exhaustive study of the approved writings of the Early Church Fathers up to the 4th century. In this way we have come to know the names of all 7 of these mighty Archangels, the meaning of their names and the sacrament each is patron of.

Since the 4th century these 7 Archangels have been honored in the Roman Martyrology. In Mettenheim Bavaria is the Catholic Church dedicated to the Seven Great Archangels. It is now over 250 years old. On the 18th of October 1720, this church was dedicated. Each of the 7 Archangels was mentioned by name in the consecration prayer by Rev. Franz Wagensberg, Bishop of Salzberg. Inside the church are 7 altars, each dedicated to one of the Archangels with a statue of the Archangel it was dedicated to. The dedication by a legitimate Catholic Bishop is additional proof of the correctness of the names and an encouragement to active devotion to these angels!

Pope Pius V said in his Bull to the Spanish Clergy, permitting and encouraging the worship of the seven archangels: "One cannot exalt too much these seven rectors of the world, figured by the seven planets, as it is consoling to our century to witness by the grace of God the cult of these seven ardent lights, and of these seven stars reassuming all its luster in the Christian republic." (Les Sept Esprits et l'Histoire de leur Culte; De Mirville's 2nd memoir addressed to the academy. Vol. II. p. 358.)

Michelangelo was ordered to adorn the church dedicated to Mary and the Seven Archangels, with a fresco of 7 Archangels on the altar, in Rome in the 16th century. In addition, the liturgy to Seven Archangels has been confirmed and was still in use around 1800 and has not been abolished, only it is not being practiced.

Below is the fresco of Mary amidst the Seven Archangels, in St Maria Degli Angeli in Rome from the web page: http://www.santamariadegliangeliroma.it.
Originally, during the reign of Pope Gregor XIII it was intended to build seven separate chapels there, dedicated to each of the Seven Archangels.

Did you start reading this thread from the beginning? Didn't you see some questions yet to be answered? You can help us and clear thoses scriptures. The formar should be treated before the latter.

frosbel: But MAN was also made a little lower than the angels , no ?

Is he then an angel by implication ?

“What is mankind that you are mindful of them,
a son of man that you care for him?
7 You made them a little[a] lower than the angels;
you crowned them with glory and honor
8 and put everything under their feet.” - Hebrews 2:7-8


Jesus Christ is not an angel or the second person of any trinity, he is who he says he is and who the apostles confirmed that he is.

Jesus never said he was once angel Michael and neither did the apostles.

Jesus never said he was the second person of a bogus trinity and neither did his apostles think he was.


Let us examine words used by both Christ and the apostles to define him, not made up theories that are at best assumptions based not on fact but wishful thinking.

JOHN 4:25-26 NKJ
25 The woman said to Him, "I know that Messiah is coming" (who is called Christ). "When He comes, He will tell us all things."
26 Jesus said to her, "I who speak to you am He."


JOHN 10:36 NKJ
36 "do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, `You are blaspheming,' because I said, `I am the Son of God'?

JOHN 17:1-2 NKJ
1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,
2 "as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.


"Then he asked them, "But who do you say I am?" Peter replied, "You are the Messiah." - Mark 8:29

" We believe and know that you are the Holy One of God. " - John 6:69

"Then Nathanael declared, "Rabbi, you are the Son of God; you are the King of Israel." - John 1:49

"For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus," - 1 Timothy 2:5




Jesus Christ was not , is not and will never be angel Michael , two totally and different beings.


Titles used :

1. Son of GOD
2. Son of MAN
3. Messiah
4. Christ
5. Holy One
6. MAN Jesus the mediator between God and MAN

Then who is the "Angel of the LORD" that called Himself WONDERFUL see: Then Manoah said to the Angel of the LORD, "What is Your name, that when Your words come to pass we may honor You? And the Angel of the LORD said to him, "Why do you ask My name, seeing it is wonderful? Judges 13:17-18

The hebrew word for "wonderful" in Judges 13:18 is the very same Hebrew word for "Wonderful" in isaiah 9:6. see:

For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6

You people have pretendly skiped several verses i presented here, bringing up blind arguements so that we cannot achieve the clear meaning of these verses.
@Oahray started a good work, but you people are so scared to see the end of it hence raised up issues that has nothing to do with the aim of this thread like accusing JW dictrines, SDA doctrine etc. Lets face the OT verses and see who this Angel is. The way you people are difining the Angel of God is not the way we see it in these Scriptures i presented.
Ok, we will hold on to Hebrew one. But can you people be so honest and tell us who this Unique Angel is? I will do repost if you want.

[quote author=mosun_ade]Asking irrelevant questions. Pessah is a part-time student and entrepreneur. what are you?[/quote]This has nothing to do with his qualification, afterall, He was saved by Gods intervention. according to the writeup!

free2ryhme: I will continue to say it Halloween is evil not good about the event/holiday... all we hear is killings deaths maiming drugs fornication etc... it is heavens miracle that he is alive

I wanted to say thesame thing. Last yr or so, a teenage hanged himself after halloween party with friend. This happened in France. This feast is feltish and Satan has blinded many from sseing his purpose. But we thank God for saving this guy. God might have a reason to have restored him back, even if He cannot be as perfect as He was before the incident. But i bet you, this guy and his family will hencefort, have no part in halloween feast. A lesson indeed!

nakash: @tings Hilarious. Allah transports his prophet to heaven but cant prevent the prophets children from dying young. Allah also implants a bowl of wisdom in his heart instead of the head!

He was teleported to heaven.... case close

This Islam Prophet had skills no be small, so it was a naration from Him? laughing over here

alexleo: And you have no right to condemn what people said they experienced. You can choose not to believe it. Your stand about it doesnt change anything if what they said is true.

Did i just? oh i thought the bible does. I always like to back my arguements with scripture, this u have failed to do in your letter.
Can you please present one scripture that teaches we should believe people who will die and come back to warn us of how heaven looks like, who is in hell and who is not? Is the bible not enough? i am learning, if this is in the scripture, then i will join you to believe Them. Dont take this as an offense dear.

Reyginus: Lol. That's good. There is the natural part that should come to us indifferently, the other differently. The different one, you're displaying.
Anyway, back to the thread.

Just listening to this beautiful ♪♪♪, lets just keep the thread going!

cyrexx: and you think your own beliefs are all true and you dont need to change any of your beliefs like the way you believe others like frosbel have to change their beliefs?

Good question, and the OP has refused to understand He hasn`t done wrong. No one is against the fact of Him speaking with his fellow brethren on a particular issue/subject. The «matter» here is the act of insisting, trying to make @Frosbel believe His accurate stands, while Frosbel is completely wrong. This is what spoils His letter. The worse is that, He didnt present any scripture to back His claim.

Sweetnecta: nakash is sincerely sick. unfortunately, no hospital in 9ja can cure him. none on earth can truly cure him. Allah Who is above His Throne is the Only One.

Hahahaha....this is funny, my muslim broda in Adam&Eve, how u dey? take it easy plzzz!

tintingz: The Arabic word "Masjid", which means Mosque or Temple, is derived from the root word"Sujood", which means Prostration. A Masjid does not have to be a building decorated with arts and standing on strong pillars. It can be an area of worship where it is surrounded byboundaries; whether it is small walls or stones gathered by men. So it is quite possible that since the area where the modern"Al-Masjid Al-Aqsa" is located in is believed to be the place where the Temple of Solomon was built in, that the Jews used to gather together and do their Prayers andProstrations to GOD Almighty there. That area can be technically called a Temple or Mosque; a place of Prostration.
That is why "Qubbat Al-Sakhra", which is the building with the golden dome top, was built. It is strongly believed that Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him had set his foot on that land before he was taken up to Heaven and sent back. It was anopen land. So to preserve that holy site, the Muslims decided to build Qubbat Al-Sakhra near the Al-Masjid Al-Aqsa. This should prove my theory that the area where the Temple of Solomon was believed to be built in was really an open area that was dedicated for worship. That area was called Al-Masjid Al-Aqsa, which means the Farthest Mosque

This is incredible !!!! Mohammed went to heaven and came back? did He discribed how heaven looks like before He ate the poison that took him to definate sleep? please share and give more light on this interesting story!

free123: how can u see d value when u have been blindfolded by JW sect? did u truncate d book of Hebrews from ur bible as u did to other verses that expose ur falsehood? can u for once think outside what u have been fed in JW? Is there any where in d bible that Jesus is called Angel Michael? Is there anywhere that angels are told to worship Jesus? Is Jesus called God in ur own bible? Did Michael create d universe? do u worship angels? what does d bible say about worshipping angels?

if God Almighty is our Saviour and Jesus also our Saviour - showing their oneness; what made u leave this issue to stick to calling Jesus angel Michael because He will be coming with an arch angels voice? Is Michael d only arch angel?

In fact joining issues with u is an effort in futility.

Hebrew 1 has a strong value, i believe all scripture is valid. So go back to the OT, you will know what Christ was refferred to before he came to earth. the activities, roles played by this unique Angel, the names he was called before and after points to our Lord Jesus.

Ubenedictus: hahaha, are u angry?? Hahaha, u did d same thing so post ago and u were very happy to do it, d post has abt 3 likes now u are condeming someone 4 doing the same!
Hypocrisy,

Is @truthislight a JW? NL una tough ooo

free123: doctrine is one tough thing to deal with. Being known to always change ones belief is one reason i cant join issues with JW. What exactly will become of these fellas when some kind of light gets brighter and the whole belief system is changed?
The lenghth some JW can go to defend manmade doctrine is quite amazing forgeting that their light may get brighter tomorrow and their belief today becomes a sin. What kind of light is this that can never be brightest? Certainly not the light from God.

Thanks for contributing, but you should have known right from the beginning of the thread that its not all about the JW, the scriptures i presented are not JW scriptures. so please, can you help bro..true2god by clearing those scriptures? Execep you want to tell us that Jesus existed as God before He was born just like the Catholics would made us believe that Almighty★Yahweh★ has a mother. This made them have two Yahweh. But When Christ came, He was very cleared. He has a God who is also our God. So tell us, what was Jesus before He was born. don`t you think those verses refferred to him as that Angel? if no, then who is this Angel these verses referred to?