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Goshen360: Je vous ai envoyé un bonbon notification.....

C'est vrai? Bah, comment tu as fait ça? J'ai rien eu encore!

Pourquoi @Logicboy m'insulté? Il ne comprendre pas le Français ou quoi? Il est bizzare ce mec

Lord Babs: just-in-case, may I ask if you mind dying before this year runs out?

Thats not a wise kuesion, but i will anwser you though.

The act of praying to God to bring death in the face is a selfish act. It is an act that ignores the feelings of loved ones. God will not honor such prayer.

A Christian life is a race in this world. Christians are expected to run that race to the end in order to receive their crowns. U will not get that crown if you shortcircuit ur race by asking God to cut it short. This is not because you enjoy ur present world. But because is is totally selfish. When you run a race, you are bound to get tired, weary, some times fall here and there.

But Christians are supposed to stand up and keep going until the Owner of their lives withdraws His breath of life from them. We do not decide for God. If a situation that
could provoke death arises, It should be "Father let your will be done".

@boomark, but John the Baptist said He is not Elijah.
They asked him, "Then who are you? Are you Elijah?" He said, "I am not." "Are you the Prophet?" He answered, "No."

John 1:20, 25.

yinka2392: if you read well and understably all the bible references i have quoted, your questions will be answered correctly. In answer to question no3, its not what i think :note, but what the bible says, in addition, read col.2:9. Once again pls try to read those verse and learn

If you dont think Jesus is equal in Wisdom, power with Yahweh then why do you cliam He is God himself?

yinka2392: The bible's stand is that JESUS is GOD ALMIGHTY......very far from just an Angel

I advise you go through this thread from page 0-26 to full understand what the discussion here.
Thanks.

obadiah777: WE NEED TIME TO GET IT RIGHT

Abi ooo

[quote author=t_rafters]So you mean Pastor Bimbo Odukoya and Ronnie Madubiko were not obeying God's law?

Just asking tho[/quote]I didnt say that. Whatever may be the course of thier death, there is a purpose.
It does not necesserilly mean they are disobedient. My point is that, i dont see any reason why Christians should be praying for long life on earth when it is already given.

Heatblast: Hmm... So you mean christians who die young don't obey "God's law"

How do you explain cases of those people who are not christians and don't give a damn about "God's law" and still live long

I cant judge that, i just said that God promised Christians long life.
So if a Christian dies young, i am not to judge or assumed He/she might have broken Gods law. NO! It is not in anyones position to judge.

That is why i said our lives on earth here and after is for a purpose.
God knows best.

Of course there are people who do not recongnise God, yet they live long.
That is not for me to judge also. Only the giver of life Knows. Some people are used by God at old age. God may preserve someones life for a Purpose "believer or not".

What i'm saying is that, True Christians are not reluctant to live this sinful world.
They know and believed they did not come to existance by thier own making..
We believe it is God that placed us in this world for a reason/purpose and wen our time is up, we know we are not to be afraid to return home. God promised us long life, This is for a purpose. And if a Christian dies young it will also be for a purpose. It doesnt means God promises failed. We all know that death is the only source to return, and people are so scared about anything tht reflects to dying. I believe this is natural.

But to true Christians, there's a teaching on dying Grace. So we are not to be afraid to leave our corruptible body and to put on th incorruptible in order to see Christ face to face. So how will one be praying for something that is promised him? It is already there all you need do is amend ways to obtain it. We are more worried when we are not sure of something.

En fait, quelle église fréquenter-tu? parce que j'ai vu que tu es un trinitaire....mais tu ne crois pas à la doctrine de la dîme

Goshen360: ^^^ Bien sûr! Au moins, et seulement quand je suis exposant la "semence foi" hérésie....

Tu ma fait rireeee!! Je suis sûr qu'ils vont te considéré comme hérésie dans NL bientôt, donc fait gaffe

Goshen360: ^^^ You forgot to ask what kind of seed was sown? Mango seed or what ......

Bill Gate to sow mango seed? Tu es bizarre, tu sais?

trinity:
the Bill Gate you mentioned had to wait for David Oyedepo at the JFK airport to sow a seed to him; Oyedepo did not ask him to sow before he did that.

How do they do that? Sow a seed in the airport?
There must be alot of media to publish this. Please post update. Jesus been no run follow rich people

Revolva: Everybody is talking about this Shiloh,everybod y I mean,even the runs gals,runs boys,arm robbers and even kidnappers,they are still doing the worst,who are we deceiving? Bunch of idiots shiloh shiloh --- foolish people that don't know how to use their little money to become millionaires demselves -- instead making another man oyedepo a billionaire - am sure after shiloh you will all fall sick due to stress and some people will loose their jobs .. Due to shiloh ..and they will all go home broke na today ---wash wash in a holy format-- mr ibu don finish una --

The funniest comment so far

Oh but why doing this twice?

Wonders are yet to be seen in NL

So what happens to us using phones and computers?

debosky: Even if he was, there's nothing to gain by retaliating - abi are you Oyedepo in disguise?

Thank you my broda.

Image123: And you that is competent and deep, what have you done for yourself or for God. Envious fellow, look for something to achieve before you die.

Na really waooh for you

Pastor Kun: @Goshen
I just read somewhere on this forum that 'double portion' is the theme for this year's shiloh Jamboree of winner's chapel. If that is what inspired this write up, I would say why bother after all every body knows that oyedepo is a very shallow and incompetent preacher who has no understanding of what christ's gospel is all about.

Me i never ever listen to This man sermon before, so why do you say "everybody"?

Do you now think the KJB is the best translation?

truthislight: why are you defining income instead of defining harvest?

You are supposed to define "harvest" = income.

You are a afraud that wants to gain riches through the gospel.

This by exploiting others.

Your love for God can not take your making sacrifices but you must get back riches other wise no. And this through tith.

The apostles died for christ dont forget.

Greed.
I hope that you live forever with your exploit.

Another funny post

Goshen360: I guess this will also make a perfect instruction, correction unto righteousness since it's also part of the "All Scriptures"......take a look:

22 You shall surely tithe all the yield of your seed produced by your field each year.

23 And you shall eat before the Lord your God in the place in which He will cause His Name [and Presence] to dwell the tithe (tenth) of your grain, your new wine, your oil, and the firstlings of your herd and your flock, that you may learn [reverently] to fear the Lord your God always.

24 And if the distance is too long for you to carry your tithe, or the place where the Lord your God chooses to set His Name [and Presence] is too far away for you, when the Lord your God has blessed you,

25 Then you shall turn it into money, and bind up the money in your hand, and shall go to the place [of worship] which the Lord your God has chosen.

26 And you may spend that money for whatever your appetite craves, for oxen, or sheep, or new wine or strong[er] drink, or whatever you desire; and you shall eat there before the Lord your God and you shall rejoice, you and your household.

27 And you shall not forsake or neglect the Levite [God’s minister] in your towns, for he has been given no share or inheritance with you.

28 At the end of every three years you shall bring forth all the tithe of your increase the same year and lay it up within your towns.

29 And the Levite [because he has no part or inheritance with you] and the stranger or temporary resident, and the fatherless and the widow who are in your towns shall come and eat and be satisfied, so that the Lord your God may bless you in all the work of your hands that you do. - Deuteronomy 14, Amplified Bible (AMP)

You know this is also an instruction unto righteousness.........

This cannot be accepted, How u want make the Pastors buy jets and big big Jeeps?

RanchOwner: The heart of the book of Hebrews is the comparison between the Mosaic covenant and the New covenant in Christ. The New covenant in Christ is much "better," "superior," "more excellent," "more valuable," "higher rank", than that of the Mosaic covenant, which spells out 'death' as a consequence for not following it to the letter.

One thing that must be made clear is that Christians are not mandated to tithe, that practice has long gone, discarded, stopped after Jesus Christ came to fulfill the law.

I believe the NT guidelines for regular giving (if there are any) are found in 2 Corinthians 8 and 9, which go far beyond tithing.

The New Testament does not once introduce tithing into the grace of giving. Tithes are mentioned only three times in the New Testament:
(1) in censoring the Pharisees for neglect of justice, mercy, and faith while giving meticulous care to the tithing of even garden produce (Matt. 23:23; Luke 11:42)
(2) in the exposure of the proud Pharisee who 'prayed to himself,' boasting that he fasted twice each week and tithed all his possessions (Luke 18:12)
(3) in arguing for the superiority of Melchizedek, and hence of Christ, to Levi (Heb. 7:6-9).

It is clear that Jesus approved tithing as a part of the Temple system, just as in principle and practice he supported the general practices of the Temple and the synagogues. But there is no indication that he imposed any part of the Temple cultus on his followers.
Tithes were chiefly produce, formerly eaten at the sanctuary by the one tithing and later eaten by the priests. Tithing as set forth in the Old Testament could be carried out only in a religious system built around a system of animal sacrifice.

Many Christians find the tithe to be a fair and workable plan for giving. So long as it is not made to be a coercive or legalistic system, it may prove to be a happy plan. However, one may not validly claim that tithing is taught in the New Testament. It is recognized as proper for Jewish observance (Matt. 23:23; Luke 11:42), but it is not imposed upon Christians. In fact, it is now impossible for Jews or Christians to tithe in the Old Testament sense. Tithing today only faintly resembles the ancient ritual practice belonging to the sacrificial system of the Jews.

While much may be said for adopting the tithe voluntarily as a standard for one's giving without rigidly imposing it upon others as a Christian requirement, it is clear in adopting such a practice that one is not carrying on the Old Testament practice. At most one is doing something only remotely analogous to the tithing practice of the Old Testament, which was a tax to support the Temple and the priestly system, a social and religious system which no longer exists. Tithes were obligatory in Judaism as a tax until the destruction of the Temple in 70 A.D, but they are not thus binding upon Christians. Even the Jews have stopped the legalistic system of tithing, why, because after the destruction of the temple in 70A.D, all the Levitical records were destroyed, making it impossible for them to continue the practice. We Christians have got a better covenant (called: Grace) in the order of our Lord Jesus Christ, who for once and for all, gave His life on the cross of calvary. What more do we want.

This is not to discredit tithing, but it is to clarify its relationship to the New Testament. It is to deny that the New Testament supports the coerciveness, legalism, profit motive, and the bargaining which so often characterise the tithing appeals today. As a voluntary system, tithing offers much; but it must be redeemed by grace if it is to be Christian. To plead that 'it works' is only to adopt the pragmatic tests of the world. Much 'works' that is not Christian. Tithing, if it is to be congenial to New Testament theology, must be rooted in the grace and love of God.

In conlcusion, Christians should give because we are blessed and that we love God, not by giving grudgingly because we anticipate we would be cursed if we didn't adhere. Our God surely loves a generous giver.

This made alot of sense!

Bidam: Do i sense a tweak of jealous hatred against pastors here? Even if we dash our pastors salary e dey pain u neh? SMH! Never wanted to comment anyway but the bitter bile coming out of ur mouth just becos we minister carnal needs to our pastors who feed us spiritual needs is nauseating to say the least...woe is me if i minister not to my pastor..oya come make anoda comment here..mr.lawgiver and judge.

NL Una no go finish person with laughter

We do not need to pray for long life, this has been promised to Christians who obey God's law. The book of Ephecians made it clear. IGod that gave this promise of long life knows best.

Ubenedictus: interesting its dec 26 nt 25 abi?

25 or 26 or 24, the truth remains......
Christmax= .pagan festival period.
But everyone has a choice as a Christian.

Ubenedictus: oga u hv to chose 1, 25 and 26 cant both b winter solistice, can it?

Does any of these dates scripturally supported or they are invented by man tradition?

frosbel: No it is not.

Why did Christ have to pre-exist ?

What is strange is that you believe in a sort of incarnation of a spirit into a human body , rather than the simple and factual conception and birthing of Jesus by the Power of the Holy Spirit as a FULL MAN , the Only directly Begotten SON of the Living GOD.


He did not need to pre-exist , this is the confusion of the millennium.

Bros, then you have to refute multiple scriptures to validate your new doctrine!

italo: @ Frosbel and Ijawkid,

Do you say it was not Jesus that was being referred to as Alpha and Omega in this passage?

John and the Angel

6 The angel said to me, “These words are trustworthy and true. The Lord, the God who inspires the prophets, sent his angel to show his servants the things that must soon take place.”

7 “LOOK, I AM COMING SOON! Blessed is the one who keeps the words of the prophecy written in this scroll.”

8 I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things.
And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. 9 But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets
and with all who keep the words of this scroll. Worship God!”

10 Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this scroll, because the time is near. 11 Let
the one who does wrong continue to do wrong; let the vile person continue to be vile; let the one who does right continue to do right; and let the holy person continue to be holy.”

12 “LOOK, I AM COMING SOON! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go
through the gates into the city. 15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

16 “I, JESUS, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”

17 The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let the one who hears say, “Come!” Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who wishes take the free gift of the water of life.

18  I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, "God" will add to that person the plagues described in
this scroll. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this
scroll of prophecy, "God" will take away from that
person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City,

which are described in this scroll.

20 He who testifies to these things says, “YES, I AM COMING SOON.”


Amen. COME, LORD JESUS.

21 The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God’s people.
Amen.

After reading that passage and paying attention to the capitalized words, do you insist that it wasn't Jesus that
was the Alpha and Omega. It wasn't Jesus that was "COMING SOON?"

Have you ever asked why did Jesus not say He will be the one that will "ADD or TAKE AWAY" from anyone who "add or take away" from the Scroll? Why did He has to reffers this to Yahweh?

ijawkid: Because in the context of isaiah Jesus being the everlasting Father is signified by him(Jesus) being the last adam.........

Now how can you tell me Yahweh who created everything,including Jesus would not be everlasting??

But it is clear to you that Jesus has a Father.....

The truth is when you read a scripture allow other
numerous scriptures explain it....

If not you'll run into conclusions that will contradict every
single doctrine you hold on to.....

Please I want u to read 1 corinthians 15:24-28 and tell
me what you understand from it........

God bless you ma broda for not waving away !!!

Ubenedictus: it is hidden from the "high and mighty" but revealed to little children.

Thats true, but who are these little Children reffared to here?

Those who obey his commands
Those who do not add to His word
Those who do not contradict His teaching
Those who do not indulge in idolatry etc etc... Dont be decieved bro....

Pastor Kun: This is were you are wrong. There is evidence all over the scriptures that christ pre exited as a being before his incarnation on earth via mary. If you continue along this path you would be setting yourself up for ridicule by these trinitarians who have already been beaten black and blue based on their false doctrine. What you are doing here is simply giving them ammunition to use against you. I would suggest you go back to scriptures and take a sound biblical position on this like you have done in other areas.

I agree with you here! Frosbel new doctrine is a strange
One that contradicts several scriptures

ijawkid:
Christ has a God and Father. .....and he is the ""beginning of"" Gods creation.......

Evidence borku well well.......

So find another exegesis to hebrews 7'....

Because Jesus has a Father.....he was caused by his Father......

No other truth is needed. Christ has a God should be enough for anyone who truelly seek to know Him.

Jesus is not Yahweh, He has Yahweh as His Father!

Ma broda, u get understanding....this is plain scripture!

truthislight: ^^^
very straight forward.
His companions are other angels.

Well, this is clear enough.

ExAcTlLy bro....!!