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[quote author=Duke_Nija]And some will say the Devil aint smart.

Devil: Last time we Sent them Koran, that was in West-Africa.
Now we must upgrade.
Let's show them Mary. This time in Asia.
We must do everything to Divert them from HIM.
Hahahahohohohheheheee.[/quote]This is not a joke, it is in the scripture, Satan has been decieving people to believe what is not scriptural.
I am for some christians!

ijawkid: How do they know Íts actually mary and Je§us and not some demon??

Has any one of them seen mary and Jesus beforÉ??....

Was Jesus white or black??....

Hope no be robert powell picture them see o.....

SMH!!!!!!!!!!!.......

Make Yahweh bless you in plenty plenty!!!

tobechi20: And they say there is no God.smh

Read Rev 17, then you will understand. But wait ooo, why do you believe this this for good? any scripture to back it up?

packman: a sister of mine was asked to write an essay regarding this topic WHAT GENDER IS GOD

TO ME THE QUESTION IS VERY AWKWARD AND VERY ANNOYING SO I WOULD LOVE TO THROW THE QUESTION TO THE HOUSE

The bible says that No man has ever seen God. (1 John 4:12) so this question is pointless.
You cannot tell the Gender of something you have never seen.

pastormustwacc: Santa maria! this thread!!

My broda, where you dey? I thought you guys will be able to refute all these verses, I want to be sure,
the scripture, both OT and NT were not making any mistake, men are the ones making mistake.
Our focus has been one sided so alot are scared or confused to accept even the plain scripture facing them.

I can understand when some qoute Hebrew, That will be dealt with by Gods grace.
So whoever that does not agree with these verses. Should refute them.

This one is also interesting, when the Angel of the LORD appears before Samson's parents, Manoah and his wife.
The Angel of the LORD says somthing different. He identifies himself as havin' a name that is wonderful! See it:

Judges 13:15-23 Then Manoah said to the Angel of the LORD, "Please let us detain You, and we will prepare a young goat for You."
And the Angel of the LORD said to Manoah, "Though you detain Me, I will not eat your food.
But if you offer a burnt offering, you must offer it to the LORD." (For Manoah did not know He was the Angel of the LORD.)
Then Manoah said to the Angel of the LORD, "What is Your name, that when Your words come to pass we may honor You?
And the Angel of the LORD said to him, [size=14pt] "Why do you ask My name, seeing it is wonderful?[/size]
So Manoah took the young goat with the grain offering, and offered it upon the rock to the LORD. And He did a wondrous thing
while Manoah and his wife looked on--it happened as the flame went up toward heaven from the altar-- the Angel of the LORD
ascended in the flame of the altar! When Manoah and his wife saw this, they fell on their faces to the ground.
When the Angel of the LORD appeared no more to Manoah and his wife, then Manoah knew that He was the Angel of the LORD.
And Manoah said to his wife, "We shall surely die, because we have seen God!" But his wife said to him, "If the LORD
had desired to kill us, He would not have accepted a burnt offering and a grain offering from our hands, nor would
He have shown us all these things, nor would He have told us such things as these at this time."

[size=14pt]Now, who's name is it that is wonderful according to scripture? It is none other than Jesus Christ![/size]

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

true2god: My guy you are not presentin your opinion but wat JW made u to believe and accept as bible 'truth'. This same believe was not held by earlier JW members of Rutherford or Russel's era,

this same teaching by Jw can still change tomoorow on the person of Jesus. Do u knw dat JW once called Jesus the great appolyon? Ask your elders if this teachin was held before or not.

Is arch angel michael not an angel again? Or is he a special angel differnet from others? Yes he is still an angel. God said: 'let all the angels worship the son' (includin angel Michael), 'he is made better than the angels (includin arch angel michael)

At times i wonder if Hebrews chapters 1 is omited from NWT. Na waoooo!

Ok put JW aside, What have you to say concerning the verses i presented? Frosbel has refused to tell me If PAUL made mistake while referring to the event of Exodus.

We are all learning abi? You can tell us what these three verses mean then.

Who is this Angel that has The Father's name in Him, who is also called the Angel of His Presence has always been the Savior of Israel all through the days of old. He has saved, redeemed, and carried them. Why do you think Paul should identifies Him as being "Christ".

Doesn't these things about the Angel of God help to confirm that it has always been Jesus all along who has led God's people, even through all the days of old?

No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him. John 1:18
It has been Jesus all along who has lead God's people! And He has been identified as the Angel of God and the Angel of His Presence.
Is it because The name Jesus wasn't present in the Old book? But the name Angel was, and the roles played were the rolse of Jesus?

Behold, I send an Angel before you to keep you in the way and to bring you into the place which I have prepared.
Beware of Him and obey His voice; do not provoke Him, for He will not pardon your transgressions; for My name is in Him. Exodus 23:20-21

Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea,
all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea,
all ate the same spiritual food,
and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ. 1 Corinthians 10:1-4.

And the Angel of God, who went before the camp of Israel, moved and went behind them; and the pillar of cloud went from before them and stood behind them.
So it came between the camp of the Egyptians and the camp of Israel. Thus it was a cloud and darkness to the one, and it gave light by night to the other, so that the one did not come near the other all that night.
Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the LORD caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea into dry land, and the waters were divided.
So the children of Israel went into the midst of the sea on the dry ground, and the waters were a wall to them on their right hand and on their left.
And the Egyptians pursued and went after them into the midst of the sea, all PharaohÕs horses, his chariots, and his horsemen.
Now it came to pass, in the morning watch, that the LORD looked down upon the army of the Egyptians through the
pillar of fire and cloud, and He troubled the army of the Egyptians. Exodus 14:19-24.[/b]

I will mention the lovingkindnesses of the LORD And the praises of the LORD, According to all that the LORD has bestowed on us, And the great goodness toward the house of Israel, Which He has bestowed on them according to His mercies, According to the multitude of His lovingkindnesses.
For He said, "Surely they are My people, Children who will not lie." So He became their Savior.
In all their affliction He was afflicted, And the Angel of His Presence saved them; In His love and in His pity He redeemed them; And He bore them and carried them All the days of old. Isaiah 63:7-9

truthislight: ofcoures, michael is a great prince, the prince of peace.

The prince for the people of Daniel.

The prince of Israel.

The prince that will stand up at the end for us all.

The prince that will call the dead to life.

The army command that will and has executed Yahehs battles.

Let them deny Jesus the recongnition of what he has put in to save mankind.

Let them deny his effort and suffering from OT to NT.

I will not deny him this recognition of his great works.

I appreciate every bit of what he has put in for me and will ever put in.
Am thanking yahweh for this great prince.

The Bible says:
This is the great prince that protects God's people.
This is the Prince of Peace.
This is our Prince and Savior.

And I say:
Maybe, the other prince does not protect God's people.
Maybe, the other prince is not a prince of peace.
Maybe, the other prince is not a Savior of God's people!
Some of NL believe that Only JW see this scriptures. I saw them and i agitate to know what they mean.

truthislight: frosbel did not arrived at his stance from using scriptures, asking about what paul says does not matter to him.

If He must be truthful with the scripture, He has to tell me if God sent two being to follow the Israelites. In the sense that Paul was talking of a different being from the One Yaweh told us. Both Exodus and
Corinthians account Speak of One being that followed the Israelites, Since God gave them a sound warning:
"Beware of Him and obey His voice; do not provoke Him, for He will not pardon your transgressions; for "My name is in Him"
This shows that this ANGEL has the authourity to execute anyone that disobey His command.
Is this just an Angel like others? Frosbel will tell us what GOD means.

frosbel: 2 things :


1. He had the name of GOD in him , but no names mentioned, though this could have been Michael. Also having the name of GOD in him desigantes the level of authority granted to him by GOD for the purpose or representation.

2. There are other archangels and chief princes, Michael was one of them, not the leader of them.

If Michael is not the leader which other Angel did the Scripture told us did greater things than michael?:
Still in : Isaiah 63:7-9

frosbel: 2 things :


1. He had the name of GOD in him , but no names mentioned, though this could have been Michael. Also having the name of GOD in him desigantes the level of authority granted to him by GOD for the purpose or representation.

2. There are other archangels and chief princes, Michael was one of them, not the leader of them.

Bros when looking at certain OT scripture and match them with the NT, you will have all the need to ask question.
Ok, among the other Princes, which has been called "the great prince" apart from Michael? Scripture prove please.

In Revelation 12:7 we see the two princes battling it out. Michael with His angels, the angels of heaven, is fighting against Satan with his fallen angels, those who have become demons. If Michael is the "great prince" who protects the children of thy people, it is quite possible that the other prince is our enemy.

frosbel: Wrong !!

There is nowhere in the bible where we receive confirmation that Michael leads all the angels of GOD.

Again you are making baseless assumptions and inferential statements.

Did not Rev 12:7 told us He led them?

And who did Isaiah refered to as the Angel of His Presence? (Isaiah 63:7-9) I will mention the lovingkindnesses of the LORD And the praises of the LORD, According to all that the LORD has bestowed on us, And the great goodness toward the house of Israel, Which He has bestowed on them according to His mercies, According to the multitude of His lovingkindnesses. For He said, "Surely they are My people, Children who will not lie." (So He became their Savior).
In all their affliction He was afflicted, And "the Angel of His Presence" saved them; In His love and in His pity He redeemed them; And He bore them and carried them All the days of old.

frosbel: the spiritual rock is the wellspring of eternal life now made known in Christ Jesus.

This is an anti-typical statement signifying the future provision of true and tangible eternal life which is through Christ.

"Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, streams of living water will flow from within him." - John 7:38

The Angel that has the name of God in him, that God sent after them, is thesame Paul is reffering to as the "Spiritual Rock.
You cannot twist this one Bros...

frosbel: My goodness sister, slow down

You just quoted this phrase 'Michael, one of the chief princes'.

Does this not mean that there are many other chief princes ? Surely this is what the quoted scripture above means, no ?

Be careful , the devil might be leading you to worship angels and not JESUS.

"Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions." - Colossians 2:18

Yes "one of the chief princes shows there are other princes but they are never refarred to as Michael. His role is unique, He leads other Angels.

And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. Daniel 12:1

I repeat, Michael is not just a prince, He is the great prince. why is He the great prince?

true2god: Nice and simple question.

Or maybe angel Michael was not among 'to which of the angels' being spoken of here. But thank God for the book of Hebrews dat removes any form of ambiguity here.

Go back to the old testament and trace who Christ is. It is the bible that will tell you. No one is claiming anything here, i have been posting scriptures to match scriptures.

frosbel: Well I cannot assume, or should I ?

He was an angel sent by GOD with the authority of GOD given to him, just like God has given his authority to other angels, prophets , kings etc.

No specific name was given for this angel , and therefore any assumptions made will be at best based on presumption.

So who did Paul say He is?

1 Corinthians 10:1-4) Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea,
all ate the same spiritual food, and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, "and that Rock was Christ". Did Paul made mistake here?

Ubenedictus: so u didnt hear dat d minister of defense is commander of d army, d cheif of army staff is also commander and the president is also commander? Does that mean d president is d cheif of army staff?

Daniel 10:13) 13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

Michael is also our prince!

Daniel 10:21) But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.

If Michael is our prince, then maybe, the other prince or princes are nt our prince!

And Scripture says Michael is the great prince tht protects God's people.

And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. Daniel 12:1

Michael is not just a prince, He is the great prince, the Prince of Peace, the Prince and Savior, and also the prince of the kings of the earth!

frosbel: Jesus Christ as person came into being when he was begotten by the Father through a virgin.

Prior to this, there was no person called Jesus Christ , only a prophecy of his coming.

The angels are Yahweh's angels who have NOW been made subject also to the Son.

Again, your deductions , supposedly from scripture , that Jesus was and is an angel are based on inferences and assumptions not fact.

Jesus Christ was a 100% Man , not a mythical half man / half god or half man / half angel.

He came in flesh and blood and died for our sins as prophesied by the Father Yahweh.

Who is the angel Yaweh sent that HAS GODS NAME IN HIM, SAME WAS REFERED TO BY PAUUL IN CORINTHIANS WHO IS THIS ANGEL
This is bible not assumption.

frosbel: No, that is the standpoint of JW not the bible.

Hear the bible out :

Hebrews 1 :

V4 - "...having become as much better than the angels, as He has inherited a more excellent name than they.

v5 - "For to which of the angels did He ever say, 'You are my Son, today I have begotten You.'? And again, 'I will be a Father to Him and He shall be a Son to Me.'?

v6 - "And when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says, 'And let all the angels of God worship Him.'

v7 - "And of the angels He says, 'Who makes His angels winds, and His ministers a flame of fire.'

v8 - "But of the Son He says, "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom.


NO ANGEL Would have qualified to die for the sins of MAN.


Jesus Christ, our beloved Lord and Saviour came in flesh and blood, he was MAN like you and me , only that his Father is GOD and he is now glorified and exalted above all power and authority in heaven and earth.


[size=16pt] "For this reason he had to be made like his brothers in every way [/size] , in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people." - Hebrews 2:17

Does this not proved He existed before? He was made much better than Angels, but do you know He has been with the Angels?
They are His angels. Do you know if He obtain this higher quality because of His uniqueness?

Who is this angel that God sent to go before the Israelites @Frosbel? [/color] Exodus 23:20-21 Behold, I send an Angel before you to keep you in the way and to bring you into the place which I have prepared. Beware of Him and obey His voice; do not provoke Him, for He will not pardon your transgressions; for "My name is in Him".[/b]His voice must be obeyed and Yaweh's name is in Him and He has the right not to pardon thier sins, who?.

And again, who is this angel? God did not go with them, He sent His angel. [color=#990000](Exodus 14:19-24.)[b] And the Angel of God, who went before the camp of Israel, moved and went behind them; and the pillar of cloud went from before them and stood behind them.
So it came between the camp of the Egyptians and the camp of Israel. Thus it was a cloud and darkness to the one, and it gave light by night to the other, so that the one did not come near the other all that night. Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the LORD caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea into dry land, and the waters were divided.
So the children of Israel went into the midst of the sea on the dry ground, and the waters were a wall to them on their right hand and on their left. And the Egyptians pursued and went after them into the midst of the sea, all PharaohÕs horses, his chariots, and his horsemen.
Now it came to pass, in the morning watch, that the LORD looked down upon the army of the Egyptians through the pillar of fire and cloud, and He troubled the army of the Egyptians.

Paul also spoke about this historical event and He specifically told who the Angel is. Isn't this questionable?

(1 Corinthians 10:1-4) Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea,
all ate the same spiritual food, and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, "and that Rock was Christ". Who did God told us He sent with them? thesame Paul refered to. Corinthian made clear Exodus.

This same Angel Isaiah called the "Angel of His Presence" That saved, redeemed, and carried Israel all throughout the days of old. Isaiah says that this angel became their Savior! How many names is this same angel called now?

Its very easy to use one scripture, do we know Gods plan is far deeper than we believe we know?

You can refute this scriptures, either you tell me that, Paul was not talking about thesame Event of Exodus Exodus 14:19-24 and Exodus 23:20-21
Then tell us what event was Paul refering to and what scripture page/chapter can we find it?

The man said that God told Him he cannot cross to the other side, that He has to go back to finish the work He started. I thought Christ had finish it all for us
He claimed He stood face to face with God. What has never happend in scripture. No man has seen God. All the prophets saw Christ not Yahweh.

All these doom days visionist of the end of age.
Satan is very trickish, He can makeup Himself to be seen like Angel/God......the Bible did not teach that anyman can see God and live. This Man must have seen Satan not God.

Ubenedictus: now talking of consistency, how come everybody in rev 12 represents a person except the woman?

Bros not only the woman, there are many option, the male child may not be a person if it be matched as Jerusalem/zion given birth in one day.

seriallink: I'm not interested in the bolded now! Salvation is all that matters to me; prosperity won't be a problem in the Kingdom now, would it?

I tire for this our NL tithe brethren ooo

julietjuks: you dont pay ur tithe and let life teach u a lesson.the world will get tougher and lets see if u will be like noah who floted or the others who mocked and drowned after 5 yrs.may life not drown u pay ur tithe

These are the kind of treatening words they use in the church. Just read yourself
This sounds very unscriptural

julietjuks: because u see the fake does not mean the original wasnt around first and is still around. if u were a soulwinner u would understand but u are not.start winning souls,preach the good news of Jesus and not urs.

Oh...so u have known me so well to have come to this conclusion??
And how can you differenciate origina Pastor from fake one? They all make sense with Malachi, they all preach tithe and neglect other OT laws. So tell me, which one is origina? The origina one to me is He who is consistant. He who does not preach all Old laws, or He who preach all OT laws, one who teaches Only the NT law or one who teaches both New laws. Not those who select to suit thier greeds.
If you must be an origina pastor You should do one out of these.

Just my opinion !

[quote author=Atheist:-D]A confession is never enough. I can get most people to confess to anything... with the right torture techniques. What was the cause of death of the child? How soon after eating the raw food? Was it food poisoning? Did the childs mother eat too?

I once read a story how the police apprehended and locked up a goat because ppl claimed the goat was a thief who magically changed shape. They locked it up until everyone forgot about the issue and then used the goat for suya [/quote]This your suya drama funny no be small
The woman said that her neighbour kept begging her to give her a share of the food stuff her children bought for her. It was dry (tinko meat) the woman didnt want to give her, but when she saw her her neighbour kept disturbing, she na cursed the meat. If you cook this meat and ur child eat from it, he will die. Just like that
She said there was force in her mouth. So the child truelly died after eating the meat. But the woman nothing happened to her. I advised my friend that her mum should go confessed to the woman so that God can forgive her. Because this poor woman be seeing her as an innocent old neighbour not knowing she killed her little boy.

pastormustwacc: ^^^People doubt the existence of demons, Jesus, Satan, God. So why not witches?

No be lie you talk.

julietjuks: u will pay the doctor for medical attention, u will pay the school for education,u will pay subscription for clubs but tithe is a stumbling block for u. are you not aware that permanent prosperity starts with paying ur tithe. jesus said the poor u will always have. dont believe in tithing so will poverty come like an armed bandit. u will spend ur money on unexpected things and emergencies cos God will collect what belongs to him for u rob Him. viewers dont be decieved by those who contend against kingdom principles.

That is what they made you believe so you can continue to pump them money to buy more private Jet that they will use to fly to the mountain in Judea during the tribulation.

Many Christian are successful giving offering and other help to the poor.
Christ says "if you do that to them, you did it to me" when u cloth someone without clothe, you equally clothe Jesus. And you get more blessing because you are not reminded to do/give it. Many people pay tithe because they are byforced not because they truelly have or are willing to tithe. This is unscriptural!!

Zikkyy: @Mathew 23:23....oh sorry i meant @image123,

count into wetin? don't you have better thing to do with your time? like reading Mathew 24. It appears you are unable to progress beyond Mathew 23. abi na Mathew 23 your bible end?

This na bros...image123 favourite ooo

Na waooh..money get power no be small
Among all the Old law wen Jesus make reference to for the NT, na only the Money one some Christian hold on to. I will not stop saying it. Pay ur tithe. Also keep Gods sabbath etc...they are all in thesame old and new testament. Tithe has made many false men become Pastors over night. Re-na waooh

chukwudi44: So you know yet you refer to him as an angel na waoo.christ don suffer

Do more study of the Bible, no be to pick one verse and then conclude.

Did Christ told you he don suffer?