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 Christianity Etc › Re: The Catholic Church And Its Claims As The Bible Author? by plappville(op): 2:21pm On Dec 14, 2011 |
coolviv: Posted by: free123Bold post from u and bold Post by: free123: how will u answer to that? did he lie? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Catholic Church And Its Claims As The Bible Author? by plappville(op): 2:15pm On Dec 14, 2011 |
kelz88:Who has the authority to change the word of God? tell me plz. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Catholic Church And Its Claims As The Bible Author? by plappville(op): 2:14pm On Dec 14, 2011 |
italo:Bold 1) Jeus told us during his sermon on the Mount: "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill" (Matthew 5:17). He even tells us to not even think such a thing. there are laws of the old testament he replaced, u should know them. (Luke 5:14) And he charged him to tell no man: but go, and shew thyself to the priest, and offer for thy cleansing, according as Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them. See the bold, the Moses law still valid and Christ respected it. So why wont i make use of the old testament? Bold 2) was this specific or universal? Did God call the Bishops not to marry? if u re to match it. An example of a specific convenant Numbers 25:10-13 10 The LORD said to Moses, 11 “Phinehas son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron, the priest, has turned my anger away from the Israelites. Since he was as zealous for my honor among them as I am, I did not put an end to them in my zeal. 12 Therefore tell him I am making my covenant of peace with him. 13 He and his descendants will have a covenant of a lasting priesthood, because he was zealous for the honor of his God and made atonement for the Israelites.” U will not tell me this convenant is universal, do not take a specifit case to be a universal one. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Catholic Church And Its Claims As The Bible Author? by plappville(op): 1:44pm On Dec 14, 2011 |
italo:When i say Jesus didn't rebuked them, i mean the deny, sell of him by Judas, he could ve rebuked them by telling peter Judas, u must not sell me i beg u, stop that devil in ur heart, same apply to Peter. but they all happen because it is in fulfillment. Sure he stoped peter for the cutting of ear, that is not my auguement. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Catholic Church And Its Claims As The Bible Author? by plappville(op): 1:36pm On Dec 14, 2011 |
italo:(matt 23:12) And whoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Catholic Church And Its Claims As The Bible Author? by plappville(op): 1:19pm On Dec 14, 2011 |
kelz88:The "sin" subject has nothing to do with this thread as regard the topic. If u say i ve nothing better to do with my time for creating a thread like this, then for u Replying the thread at all, have put u in same shoe. U and i know tht In 1079 AD, celibacy was for the very first time enforced on priests and bishops by Pope Gregory VII. Priest and Bishops were permitted to marry before this time. Which means, the church decide to indulge in self doctrines. Didnt the Holy Spirit warn that "forbidding to marry" is a "doctrine of demons"? See what the scripture says: (1 Timothy4:1-3) 1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3 [b]They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, [/b]which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. Is this condemnation from God or not? Paul said in (1 Corinthians 7:8-9) I say therefore to the (1)unmarried and widows,(2) it is good for them if they abide even as I. 9But if they cannot contain, let them marry: (3)for it is better to marry than to burn. Don't we have the right to take a believing wife along with us, as do the other apostles and the Lord's brothers and Cephas? (1 Corinthians 9:5) Does the verses here prohibits Priest and Bishops from marrying? NO So why should a man just wake up and creat this law that contradic the bible? U are telling me as if i am the bible. If all men choosed to become priest and Bishops will u ve existed? Were they not born by someone. Yes it wouldn't be a matter if it was a personal decition. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Catholic Church And Its Claims As The Bible Author? by plappville(op): 10:53pm On Dec 13, 2011 |
« #63 on: Today at 09:12:35 PM »Honour thy "father" and "mother" in the lord: call no man father does not refares to ur earthly father. Ephisians 6:4 or so, correct me if am wrong. But can u just admit u sin when u did not? We know when we sin. It didnt mean one is claiming perfection, after all, none is perfect except God. Nice one though! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Catholic Church And Its Claims As The Bible Author? by plappville(op): 10:15pm On Dec 13, 2011 |
Posted on: Today at 05:03:36 PM Posted by: HutchieSome points u mentiond will be treated one after the other. I strongly agree u ve made good writes as per this topic. God bless u! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Catholic Church And Its Claims As The Bible Author? by plappville(op): 10:06pm On Dec 13, 2011 |
Posted on: Today at 04:48:17 PM Posted by: italoI said i cant say they sinned because i ve not seen these verses that told it. Like i said befor, we learn each day from each other, i will be the last to qoute something not found in the bible, thats why i prefare not to conclude about if they sinned or not. When i said Jesus didnt rebuke them, i meant it. His death was said to happen, if Jesus shoukd ve rebuked them, he will not use the word, u will bethrey me, or u will deny me. He knew what the futere would become and yet he allowed it, it shows his death is the fullfillment. Jesus could them for example: Judas, u must not betrey me, he has all the power to rebuke his death but he didnt. To the bold #1) If u do not know if the bible conderms eating egg and someone telling u so without proving the verse, wont u deny it until u are clear? Now tgat u ve come out for the first with a biblical verse that really point to something, why wont i accept it from u. I will take note of those verse anyway. Bold #2) Why do u ve the habit of miss reading people and stamp them with wrong stamps? U ll read me back soon, i cant write forther, its hard with phone. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Catholic Church And Its Claims As The Bible Author? by plappville(op): 9:41pm On Dec 13, 2011 |
U are just blabaring, What is wrong in discussing these topics? Are u scared to be exposed? Alot of false doctrine in the catholic church, i ve come to get the truth and route of certain doctrine practise by them that are not biblical. U are proud to be a catholic, gud for u, every man is proud were he is but that doesnt make us ignorant when things seems not to be perfect. U ve prove a point by throwing insult all in the name of defending ur faith. I cant talk more with u, u seem to be full of insults. Thank u and God bless. |
| Islam › Re: Muhammed And Joseph Smith. by plappville(op): 9:05pm On Dec 13, 2011 |
Beretta92:That is actually his claim, false doctrinals must say an angel appeared to them. And many ignorants will believe and follow them. One must be wise, for the snake knows how to drag people with him. Its all ok, thanks to U as well, God bless! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Was Mohammed The Prophet Of Whom Moses Spoke? by plappville(f): 7:13pm On Dec 13, 2011 |
[/quote][quote author=proo212 link=topic=819005.msg9755999#msg9755999 date=1323782227]@Bashy-demy, I will agree with you because it is in the bible that they bowed their heads lifted their hands. But the question is when they did this who were they worshiping? The passage said the LORD their God. No problem with that. This happened eons of years before Islam came on the scene. the question is when they did this who were they worshiping?Good question! They just have no value for their book, all they do is using the bible because the bible is the only true word of God. (galatians 1:  But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.[size=16pt]Romans 16:17 I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are "contrary" to the teaching you have "learned". Keep away from them.[/size] Corinthians 11:14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Was Mohammed The Prophet Of Whom Moses Spoke? by plappville(f): 7:03pm On Dec 13, 2011 |
proo212:God bless u, i ve enlightened him on the bold before, we are not oblige to bow head, everyone knows how to present his/her prayers to God, they are well answered by God. Bow head prayer has automatically fix Muhammed as the prophet, see how shallow they reason  |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Infant Baptism Should Stop! by plappville(op): 4:02pm On Dec 13, 2011 |
italo:Ok, but can u back it with the bible plz. Thanks. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Sin Will Play Its Game On U. by plappville(op): 3:51pm On Dec 13, 2011 |
It is not sin for a man to prefer the friendship of men or for a woman to prefer the friendship of women. It is sin when the intimate barrier is crossed. This is no different than married people havin" sex with anyone other than their spouses. both homosexuality and adultery are equal abominations to the ourLord God almighty. Every believer wants to be like God, deciding right and wrong and doing what is right in their own eyes. That should sound familiar. Abstain from it, rebuke it and make the devil sad. (ROM 6:12)Therefore, never let sin rule your physical body so that you obey its desires. |
| Islam › Muhammed And Joseph Smith. by plappville(op): 3:40pm On Dec 13, 2011 |
[size=14pt]"even though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed" Gal 1:8[/size] [size=18pt]Similarities[/size] The followers of Muhammad and Joseph Smith both killed innocent "infidel" on the same date of 9/11. On September 11, 1857, Mormon militia massacred about 140 men, women and children under the authority of Brigham Young. However 17 very young children were spared and adopted into Mormon families. They were in fact sold to the highest Mormon family bidder and resold and traded many times afterwords. This event is called "The Mountain Meadows" massacre. Mormon leaders engaged in a deliberate rewriting of history to deny they were behind the murders. On September 11, 2001 Muhammad's followers, using the Koran as a guide, sent two airplanes into the World Trade Center killing 3000 innocent men, women and children. Muslims today have a PhD in rewriting history and preach in the mosques that Jews were actually driving the planes, not Muslim terrorists. Both were visited by an angel. Joseph Smith was visited by the angel "Moroni" and Muhammad by Gabriel. Galatians 1:6-9 says, "I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel; 7 which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you, and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to that which you received, let him be accursed." Both were given visions. Both were told that no true religion existed on the earth. In the published account of his life, Joseph Smith related that he became very disturbed when he was a youth because of the "strife among the different denominations," and this "cry and tumult" led him to ask God "which of all the sects were right — and which I should join." He was told that he must "join none of them, for they were all wrong, that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt, " (Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith 2:8-19) N. J. Dawood says that Mohammed was also concerned with the fact that the Jews and Christians had "divided themselves into schismatic sects." In the scriptures given by Mohammed, we read: "Yet the Sects are divided concerning Jesus, Truly, the unbelievers are in the grossest error." (The Koran, translated by N. J. Dawood, Surah 19, p. 34) In Surah 30, page 190, this warning appears: "Do not split up your religion into sects, each exulting in its own beliefs." In Surah 3, page 398, we read: "The only true faith in Allah's sight is Islam. Those to whom the Scriptures [i.e., Jews and Christians] were given disagreed among themselves through jealousy only after knowledge had been given them." Both were to restore the long lost faith as the one true religion. Islam makes claim that Adam and Abraham were Muslims, a claim that is as ridiculous as it is undocumented from either history or archaeology. Mormons make the unsubstantiated claim that the church in the first century were Mormon. Both wrote a book inspired by God. Both claimed to be illiterate or uneducated and used this as proof the book was inspired. "How could an illiterate man write the Koran or the Book of Mormon?" Joseph Smith is claimed to have only grade three education. Both claimed the Bible was lost, altered, corrupted and unreliable. Both claimed their holy book was the most correct and perfect book on earth. Both claimed that their new "Bible" was based upon a record stored in heaven. With Islam, it is the "mother book" that resides in heaven with God. With Mormonism, it is the golden Nephi plates that the angel Moroni took back to heaven. Both claim that the version we have in our hands today are identical to what the prophet revealed and that parts are not lost, altered and corrupted. Of course the proof that these claims are invalid is found in two books. The Mormon claim is proven false by a book called "3913 Changes to Book of Mormon" by Sandra Tanner. The Islamic claim is proven false by a book (In Arabic language) called, "Making Easy the Readings of What Has Been Sent Down" by Muhammad Fahd Khaaruun. Both books show that the copy of the book of Mormon and the Koran used today is different from what was originally used when each religion was started. Both claimed to be a final prophet of God. Both claimed they were persecuted because of their pure faith. Both were polygamists who had many wives. Both borrowed from paganism/polytheism. Muhammad incorporated that polytheistic moon god called "Allah" and "Allah's three daughters" into Islam. Basically Muhammad chose Allah from within 350 known gods that were worshipped in Arabia and proclaimed the moon god to be the greatest and only God. Smith borrowed from a doctrine called "pyramidology" and the Masons and other magic systems. Both received "after the fact corrective revelations" from God. Muhammad retracted the Satanic verses and Mormons retracted Smith's divine order mandating polygamy. But for Mormons it there is even a closer parallel. Sounds exactly like Muhammad and his satanic verses. "As many false reports have been circulated respecting the following work, and also many unlawful measures taken by evil designing persons to destroy me, and also the work, I would inform you that I translated by the gift and power of God, and caused to be written, one hundred and sixteen pages, the which I took from the Book of Lehi, which said account, some person or persons have stolen and kept from me, notwithstanding my utmost exertions to recover it again — and being commanded of the Lord that I should not translate the same over again, for Satan had put it into their hearts to tempt the Lord their God, by altering the words, that they did read contrary from that which I translated and caused to be written; and if I should bring forth the same words again, or, in other words, if I should translate the same over, they would publish that which they had stolen, and Satan would stir up the hearts of this generation, that they might not receive this work: but behold, the Lord said unto me, I will not suffer that Satan shall accomplish his evil design in this thing: therefore thou shalt translate from the plates of Nephi, until ye come to that which ye have translated, I will shew unto them that my wisdom is greater than the cunning of the Devil." (Book of Mormon, 1830 edition, Preface) Immediately after the death of Muhammad and Smith, a fight broke out from among the "faithful converts" as to who would succeed Muhammad and Smith. Both groups were plunged into irreparable division that has endured ever since. Islam and Mormonism both have squabbles among themselves as to who is the one true splinter group of their prophet! Mormons, contrary to the Bible, "baptize the dead" by gathering genealogies of all men who lived on earth. This contradicts the Bible: "But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and strife and disputes about the Law, for they are unprofitable and worthless." Tit 3:9 While the Bible says avoid focusing in Genealogies, the Mormon church makes it their central focus of mission. Mormons have even been criticized for baptizing, by proxy, the Jews had died in Nazi Holocaust camps. When lists of genealogies are collected, living Mormons are baptized, on behalf of, those on the lists, who have already died. In this way, Mormons view every man who lived, as being Mormons. In the same way Muslims claim that all men are born Muslims and when they learn the truth of Christianity, they are apostatizing from their first faith. Muslims re-write history by proclaiming Jesus and the Apostles were Muslims in a similar way Mormons baptize Jews (for example) with the expectation they will be Mormons in the next life. Yet gathering of large genealogical lists no more makes dead people Mormons in the next life, than re-writing history makes Jesus into a Muslim. Both the Islam and Mormon religions have those who follow the "original doctrine" of the founding leaders and like these founding leaders, are violent, polygamists, and have revelations justifying their evil actions. Both Muslims and Mormons (and Jehovah's Witnesses) have progressive revelation. Jw's call it "new light". Muslims call it "Nasikh". Jehovah's Witnesses were once instructed to celebrated Christmas, birthdays and salute the flag, but "new light" changed all that. Mormons like all Muslims, were originally polygamists until "The Manifesto" against polygamy came as a revelation to John Taylor, over 40 years after Smith's death, on the eve of the US government outlawing the practice of polygamy. New revelation always replaces older revelation that became inconvenient to the prophet. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Catholic Church And Its Claims As The Bible Author? by plappville(op): 3:27pm On Dec 13, 2011 |
First of all, there's no point telling me that 'our Lords prayer' does not encourage sinning daily. I already know that and that is not the arguement.:(I hear sir/ma!)[/b]What I am proving to you is that everybody sins; whether born-again or not, whether daily, hourly or weekly. :[b]We are exposed to sin, but that doesn't means we submit to it each time it comes. No one is free from the temptation of sin, bu, those who choosed to follow Christ Sshould not sin. it mus come to tempt, but God gave us power to rebuke it. yr shall be holy unto me, if u week to sin, how can u be holy unto him. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Catholic Church And Its Claims As The Bible Author? by plappville(op): 3:06pm On Dec 13, 2011 |
@Italo, did all Bishops choosed to be celibate? is this not a prohibited law from the above?, U and i know the bible didn't conderm it, its surposed to be a self decision thing. If one cannot hold himself then abstain from it. Ok let me ask u, someone that will like to become a bishop, but would not agree to be celibate, will he be accepted and embraced by the catholic doctrine? Nothing is wrong with copying from the Catholic web, the only thing is that, its bringing back same excuses as usual. No one on earth today was on earth in the past 150yrs back. So whatever we disccuss and use as point in backing up our claims are all read by us. Without the bible, we wont know if Jesus existed, i mean without the words recoreded by his Disciples. We are all learners each passing day. 1. There should not be choirs in church.Christians have to worship the lord according to how the bible instructed us. Nothing is wrong in clapping hands for the lord, He loves it, the hands make a very beautiful sound of music if well coordinated. Psalm 47:1-2 says, "Clap your hands", all you nations; shout to God with cries of joy. How awesome is the LORD Most High, the great King over all the earth!" Psalm 150:3-5 says, "Praise him with the sounding of the trumpet, praise him with the harp and lyre, praise him with tambourine and dancing, praise him with the strings and flute, praise him with the clash of cymbals, praise him with resounding cymbals." I believe partaking in Gods work in the church is a gift, one cannot work in the house of God if he/she does not ve that gift. God love when we dedicate ourselves for his service, as for Church marriage, i don't know bout that. If any one wish to do it in Church, i believe its for his Glory, not by force. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Ishmael Or Isaac? The Koran Or The Bible? by plappville(f): 1:56pm On Dec 13, 2011 |
LagosShia:Do u read ur posts? U are the provoker,sometimes it seems u write another thing, but do another thing There is no where i insulted u, i wont do it, even if u ve done that to me several times. I am not against u. I am jist an anti-false doctrines. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Ishmael Or Isaac? The Koran Or The Bible? by plappville(f): 1:33pm On Dec 13, 2011 |
[/quote][quote author=LagosShia link=topic=819003.msg9755509#msg9755509 date=1323777879]i'm officially done with the subject on chapter 53.you can confuse yourself as you like.but you stand no chance to confuse me or teach me what you dont know.Heaven awaiting u by all means  , sorry for been confused, pkele! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Ishmael Or Isaac? The Koran Or The Bible? by plappville(f): 1:30pm On Dec 13, 2011 |
proo212:Well seen, i was about pointing this out |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Was Mohammed The Prophet Of Whom Moses Spoke? by plappville(f): 1:14pm On Dec 13, 2011 |
[quote author=bashy_demy link=topic=819005.msg9754815#msg9754815 date=1323772535]@plappville i wonder why you keepp repeating yourself. Bring proof from the holy Quran about those 3 goddess that will result to another 24hours of no appearance and by the time you appear again its another story, every proof have been given to you to defend every of my claim including the one of my brother's in Islam. Ok here is another one from your bible to proof to you that Salat was perform inside your bible. Nehemiah 8:4-6: 4And Ezra the scribe stood upon a pulpit of wood, which they had made for the purpose; and beside him stood Mattithiah, and Shema, and Anaiah, and Urijah, and Hilkiah, and Maaseiah, on his right hand; and on his left hand, Pedaiah, and Mishael, and Malchiah, and Hashum, and Hashbadana, Zechariah, and Meshullam. 5And Ezra opened the book in the sight of all the people; (for he was above all the people  and when he opened it, all the people stood up: 6And Ezra blessed the LORD, the great God. And all the people answered, Amen, Amen, with lifting up their hands: and they bowed their heads, and worshipped the LORD with their faces to the ground. Now tell me in what religion did they pray in this Manner? ALLAH IS ALWAYS GREAT[i]no rules on how to pray, anyone can choose to bown down or stand up or even lie and still pray to God, all these method of trying to match a prophecy in the bible are all fake. My pastor wife alway on her knees when she prays. God didn't give instruction to this, Muslims are copyinh the Jews tradition [/i][/quote]The Goddess are mentioned in your kuran, Surah 53:19-20 Have ye seen Lat. and 'Uzza, And another, the third (goddess), Manat? Ye worship idols. needless to continue in backing Mohammed, his people could even do it. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Was Mohammed The Prophet Of Whom Moses Spoke? by plappville(f): 1:09pm On Dec 13, 2011 |
LagosShia:Have u answered all the questions asked here? I am sure u ve seen the route of your religion so u know who practice idolatery |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Was Mohammed The Prophet Of Whom Moses Spoke? by plappville(f): 11:32am On Dec 13, 2011 |
LagosShia:Sorry man, nothing is new in muslims refutes, the truth stands, Islamis IDOL! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Was Mohammed The Prophet Of Whom Moses Spoke? by plappville(f): 11:31am On Dec 13, 2011 |
LagosShia:Lies surranding ur claims: did Moses gave this prophecy when he was not yet called by God? NO. the said prophet will do things like me, this is effect from when he started his relationship with God, he was not refaring to his birth, parents etc, but "he will be like me" i talk with God, God discuss events with me directly, no 3rd party. I do uncountable miracles, i was married but was not adoterous. I was faithful to God. DID MOSES DIED A NATURAL DEATH ? YES: Deuteronomy 34:4-7)4 Then the LORD said to him, “This is the land I promised on oath to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob when I said, ‘I will give it to your descendants.’ I have let you see it with your eyes, but you will not cross over into it.” 5 And Moses the servant of the LORD died there in Moab, as the LORD had said. 6 He buried him[a] in Moab, in the valley opposite Beth Peor, but to this day no one knows where his grave is. 7 Moses was a hundred and twenty years old when he died, yet his eyes were not weak nor his strength gone. DID MUHAMMED DIED A NATURAL DEATH? NO: Muhammad died in 632 A.D. He died as a result of being poisoned following his attack upon and conquest of the Jewish settlement of Khaibar A prophet died of poison, yet its a natural death Mohammeds death was an accident not natural. so dont even use this as one. A natural death occurs from natural causes, as disease or old age, rather than from violence or an accident. Muhammed was not able to differenciate Gods voice and that of Satan, is like Moses for sure! keep decieving urselves. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Was Mohammed The Prophet Of Whom Moses Spoke? by plappville(f): 10:47am On Dec 13, 2011 |
U just said our faith is SaTaNiC Because ur 3 goddess were rejected? now let see who has the Stanic of worship: The fallen stones from heaven NL MUSLIMS trace ur gods.according to history. @bashy-demy, u must know today that, the most important triple aspect of ur goddess is her manifestation as Virgin/Mother/Crone. those three goddesses were, in certain places, represented by meteorites/aeroliths, stones that had fallen from heaven, just as ur Kaaba stone in Mecca. (Ibid, 52.) Merlin Stone notted that in Aphrodite’s temple in Cyprus a certain stone was anointed by oil each year at the feast of the goddess. The same stone worship was conducted at Baalat’s temple at Byblos. (As ALLAT was the feminine version of "Allah" ur god, so was Baalat the feminine version of Baal.) goddess (1) : Al-Lat Al-Lat, the female version of the Aramaic Allah, was the ‘Lady of the Temple’ at the Semitic Pantheon of Palmyra, frequently mentioned in sources from ancient periods. Her cult was shared by the tribes of Bene Maazin and Bene Nurbel in that city. The former tribe provided the guardians for her sanctuary, which was established after the Nabatean occupation of Syria, including Damascus, in 85 BCE. Al-Lat was the mother goddess (al-Ilahah), representing the "SUN"Mother figure among the gods and goddesses, the great earth Mother of ancient mythology, and the Astarte of the Arabs. goddess (2):Al-Uzza Al-Uzza was brought to Mecca by the Quraysh and enjoined to the already established Kaaba worship, but she probably was a local deity in Mecca since the time of ‘Amr ibn Lubayy. In Ur prophet "Muhammed’s" time, She was the most important of the Meccan local deities, and was save for ‘the Lord’ Hubal goddess(3):Manat Manat is to the Arabs’ original goddess, appearing some time before al-Uzza and al-Lat. Her name appears in the house of Baal in 32 CE, but she originated much earlier among the Arabs. Manat seems to have arrived in Arabia from Palmyra, where she was worshipped along with Baal. She was venerated beside several other deities in a temple called ‘the house of the gods,’ (Teixidor, The Pantheon of Palmyra 3, 12-18 — The Pagan god, 116.) the Palmyran equivalent of the Kaaba. Manat was the controller of the Arabs’ fortunes and the mystery of life and death. She was the chief deity of al-Aus and al-Khazraj and other pagan inhabitants of Yathrib (Medina). She was represented by a wooden image, which was covered in blood during her worship. Does the word still honour the goddess worship methods today? lets see: The Quraysh adopted Allah as Baal, and added the goddesses to his cult the same way as Baal had three daughters in the Fertile Crescent. They venerated him and his three female companions in his new House, the Kaaba at Mecca. One of the aspects of goddess worship that has survived in "Islam", as well as,for example, in Roman "Catholicism", is the rosary. Through the ages the worshippers of goddesses had used the rosary for prayers and it is still in use in the worship of female deities all over the world, for example by Hindus in "India". The rosary is connected with fertility worship when the deity’s name is repeated over and over again. (Compare to Matthew 6:7-13 and Acts 19:34.) It is called tasbih or subha in Arabic, and simply means ‘an object which one praises.’ The Muslim rosary is supposed to contain 99 beads, representing the titles of ‘Allah’, but usually it only has 33 beads, slipped through one’s fingers three times. (Compare to the Koran 7:180.) This pagan custom, which is dated to Astarte worship from about 800 BCE, still survives in Islam as well as in many other cults around the world. (mathew6:7- 7 And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.(acts 19:34) But when they found out that he was a Jew, they all started to shout in unison for about two hours, "Great is Artemis of the Ephesians!" |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Was Mohammed The Prophet Of Whom Moses Spoke? by plappville(f): 2:12am On Dec 13, 2011 |
Proo212: brother, Ahmed Deedat's argument does not hold water for Deut 18.Muslims will do anything to brainwash people. Dont be surprised by this whole this came directly from them. This Reverend gentleman was expounding Biblical prophecies. He went on to prove that the Christian Bible foretold the rise of Soviet Russia, and the Last Days. At one stage he went to the extent of proving that his Holy Book did not leave even the Pope out of its predictions. He expatiated vigorously in order to convince his audience that the Beast 666 mentioned in The Book of Revelation, the last book of the New Testament, was the Pope, who was the Vicar of Christ on earth.Another brainwashing, this time, its the Catholics, islam is the Serpent, his tongue is deciet, he uses Christians against Christians. Islam is Evil, we are not ignorant of This. If we look into the words "from the midst of thee" is certainly genuine. The meaning is clear. Even as true that Ishmael was Isaac's half-brother, despite the way he came in, but, if the Ishmaelites may be called the brethren of Israel, assuredly, the Israelite tribes may more correctly be called one another's brethren. (Compare[1], surah 7:83, "their brother Shu'aib." Israelites are called one another's brethren in this very book of Deuteronomy, e.g., in chapters 3:18; 15:7; 17:15; 24:14. In ch. 17:15 we have an exactly parallel passage in reference to the appointment of a king: "one from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee. "If we look deeply into History, we see that the kingdoms of Europe are ruled by kings who belong to families. Back to History, we never hear of the Israelites appointing over themselves a foreigner as king. If its done, They should have gone to the Ishmaelites for their kings, if the moslim explanation of "from among their brethren" in Deut. 18:18 is correct. They did not do so, they understand their own language. the Taurat clearly says that no prophet was to be expected from Ishmael, for God's covenant was made with Isaac, not with him (Gen. 17:18-21; 21:10-12). If u feel like reading to get the feltish hope off your mind, better for u. The kuran also, with his false commands, speaks of the prophetic office as having been entrusted to Isaac's seed (Surah 29:27; Surah 45:15). Although we do not need the Koran to know this. The promised prophet was to be sent unto Israel, but Muhammad professed to be sent to the Arabians among whom he was born. As for a likeness to Moses, we learn from Deut. 34:10-12, that the two points in which the Israelites expected the coming prophet to resemble Moses were: (I) personal knowledge of God, Moha has not it: and (2) mighty works. As regards the "former"(Moses), is there not a tradition that mohammad said, "we ve not known thee in the truth of Thy knowledge (or 'as Thou shouldest be known')"? With reference to mighty works,[2] the koran tells us that mohammad was not[3] given the power of working miracles a Surah 17:61: see Baidawi's and Abbasi's commentaries: Surahs 2:112; 6:37,57,109; 7:202; 10:21; 13:8,30 Yet he is a prophet? What prophet that was not given the power of working Miracles? God has change and become weak over night! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Was Mohammed The Prophet Of Whom Moses Spoke? by plappville(f): 1:48am On Dec 13, 2011 |
Did your prophet know the Lord face to face? Deut 34:10 says 10And there has not arisen a prophet since in Israel like Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face, Another reason why Mohammed is not like MosesU must know that the koran says tht mohammad was not blessed with the power of working miracles (Surah 17:61: see Baidawi's and Abbasi's commentaries: Surahs 2:112; 6:37,57,109; 7:202; 10:21; 13:8,30; 29:49,50) A shameful way to hid the falsehood. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Was Mohammed The Prophet Of Whom Moses Spoke? by plappville(f): 12:50am On Dec 13, 2011 |
‘O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?’ The angel says in reply: ‘Even so, Allah createth what He willeth: when He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it ‘Be’, and it is’ (the Holy Quran, 3:47).Tell me what sense does it make to have copied the Bible? Evrything written in the kuran was copied. Mohammed had read from the deut 18: and believed he could by forced himself to fits in counting on Ishmael the child that came through the slave Egpytian, and was sent away because they dont belong in the recognized descendant. God is not wicked, but removed confusion in from His people. Yet the devil is still pressing out this confusion, only ignorant will ever be confused with the devil stratagie. Tell me again how natural was the death Of mohammed that u ve compered it with Moses? Do u know what it means to die a natural death? Jesus mother is one to count on, they go to sleep not struggle with death. This has nothing to do with similarities. Come to count on miracles. How did God speak to Mohammed? God stricked Moses sister with Leprousy because of the relationship he has with Moses, he dialogue with him like face to face, no angel was inbetween them. Did Mohammed had this too? Or the framed Angel Gabriel? U must fear God LagosShian. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Was Mohammed The Prophet Of Whom Moses Spoke? by plappville(f): 12:26am On Dec 13, 2011 |
Jesus rejected by his peopleYes the Jews rejected Jesus, but if Mohammed fits in the Prohecy, why didnt they accept him as as they accepted Moses? Did the Jews embrace Islam as the God's sent doctrine? So many things can make Moha fits in never mind. Tell us the miraclous birth of Mohammed and the similar miracles he perfored as Moses. More are to be discussed! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Was Mohammed The Prophet Of Whom Moses Spoke? by plappville(f): 12:17am On Dec 13, 2011 |
Arabs and JewsAll the Past Jewish prophets of God ever in serious war conflicts withing themselves? how was their relationship? Are what is brotherly today? Are the Arabs(ishmaelite) in brotherly with the Jews(Iseac/Israel) ? If Gos had wanted to use Ishmael, he has all the power to refused Abraham from Isaec. The generation of Israel cannot be diverted by a false interpretation of the Holy bible. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Was Mohammed The Prophet Of Whom Moses Spoke? by plappville(f): 11:32pm On Dec 12, 2011 |
–@LagosShia: “What the Bible says about Muhammad” will no doubt come as a surprise to many of you because the speaker is a Muslim. How does it come about that a Muslim happens to be expounding prophecies from the Jewish and Christian Scriptures?Mahammed is an outsider cant u understand? He is not even a decendant of Ishmael to start with. The God of Israel, never recognised Ishmael as one of His chosen people. Abraham, Moses etc are all. Why shouldnt they expound their prophecies in the Kuran as it is the Divine book from the 3godesses allah. U must continue to decieve urself not others. (2)Matthew 24:11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. (3) Matthew 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and"perform great signs and miracles" to deceive even the elect--if that were possible. (4)Ezekiel 22:27 Her officials within her are like wolves tearing their prey; they shed blood and kill people to make unjust gain |
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