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 Christianity Etc › Re: Characteristics Of True And False Disciples by plappville(op): 5:26pm On Dec 07, 2011 |
So then we see the tremendous test of obedience here. It didn't really make a lot of sense for Christ to send them away by themselves. Perhaps they didn't understand why He sent them away not being able to read the mind of the mob, not being able to understand what they were thinking and what they were plotting. And so when Christ said to them go away, it may have been a little bit mysterious but they obeyed. It may have been more mysterious as to why He sent them and didn't come Himself, why He sent them away and went away up into a mountain. How was He going to get across, there weren't any more boats? Why didn't Christ go with them and why did He send them away? Well, the Bible doesn't say they fussed with the questions, the Bible says they just obeyed. And here you meet the first tremendous characteristic of real discipleship. Real discipleship is founded, now watch it, founded on an unquestioning, unhesitating trust and obedience. It's not a matter of "Why, God?", it's a matter of "Yes, God!" It's not a matter of, "I don't understand it," it's a matter of, "I will do it." It's a matter of not my will, but Thine be done, mysterious though it be. And even in an obedience of ignorance, and I like to think rather than ignorance it was an obedience of trust, these disciples moved away from Christ alone into the twilight sea, not understanding. And that is the crux of discipleship, obedience that asks no questions, obedience that expects no explanation, a blind believing obedience. The first time I ever preached in this church, long time ago, I told you a story about a missionary that is perhaps the greatest illustration of obedience in my recollection. John Payton was his name and he was a young student in England. And he didn't exactly know where God wanted him to go but he felt a call to the mission field and he was a student in seminary at the time. He's just recently been married. And God began to lead him in the area of the New Hebrides islands and the New Hebrides islands were inhabited by man-eating cannibals. And in those days it was a severe test of a man to go to the mission field. continue, |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Characteristics Of True And False Disciples by plappville(op): 5:24pm On Dec 07, 2011 |
All right, get the picture. He has sent the disciples across in the little boat. He has dismissed the crowd. There are no boats left for them to take, assuming they're to walk back to where they began. He takes off into a mountain to pray. And with that we come to verse 16 and the character of real disciples. And there are three characteristics of real disciples here in this account, verses 16 to 21. They are obedient, watch this, they are Christ-centered, and they are true worshipers. They are obedient, they are Christ-centered and true worshipers and we'll see this as we look at the passage. First of all we shall see that the true disciple is obedient, verse 16. "And when evening was now come, His disciples went down unto the sea." And as I said, Matthew and Mark told us that Christ told them to go there. "They entered into a boat and they went over the sea toward Capernaum and it was now dark and Jesus was not come to them." Now the disciples have been ordered by Christ to get in a boat and leave to proceed across the Sea of Galilee toward Capernaum, the northwestern shore, and so they did, complete obedience. It also notes for us in verse 16 that it was evening and in the Jewish thinking there were two evenings. The first evening was three o'clock to six o'clock. The second evening was six o'clock to dark and this is the second evening. And so it is nearly dark. They enter into a little boat and they begin the journey across the five-mile journey from where they were to Capernaum. Now notice the end of verse 17 gives a little note. It says, "Jesus was not come to them." Why does it say that? Well because John knew that soon Jesus would come to them, walking on the water. And the reason John knew it because John's writing this about sixty some years after it happened. And reflecting back he knew this had happened before Christ came. [/b]Also, John wrote about 95 A.D., Matthew and Mark both wrote the same account about 50 A.D., so 45 years earlier this had already been told by Matthew and Mark and John knows his readers will already have read it in Matthew and Mark's gospels so he adds this little note just to put it in perspective and says it was now dark and Jesus was not come to them yet. Christ hadn't gotten there. [b]continue, |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Characteristics Of True And False Disciples by plappville(op): 5:19pm On Dec 07, 2011 |
And we use Jesus. Just for a second, [b]examine your own heart. It may just be that you love Jesus for what He does or can do for you. And when He comes with demands, we're resentful and hostile to this demanding, [/b]disturbing Jesus. That could have been the attitude of these people, and it was. That's exactly where they stood. They only wanted Him for what they could get out of Him. And I'm sure if Jesus had said, "Listen, I'm going here, follow Me." They would have flocked after Him because He was getting them what they wanted. But instead Christ says, "Get away, I don't want you anymore, I want to be rid of you," and He sent the crowd away. Matthew and Mark both tell us He dismissed them and said, "Go away." Jesus Christ never commits Himself to thrill seekers, He never commits Himself to the false disciple. He said, "You leave," and then He went up into a mountain alone to pray to God. Matthew and Mark tell us He went there to pray alone. Now why did He go away? Well He knew He had to escape the plot of the mob. He knew they were going to try to take Him by force so He told them to go away and He went into a mountain by Himself. Now before He went into the mountain, He did something else. He's told His disciples, Matthew and Mark both tell us this in the parallel account, He told His disciples to get into a boat and go back to Capernaum across the northern edge toward the western shore, the Sea of Galilee. "Get into the boat and leave." Sent the disciples away and went into a mountain and sent the multitude away. Now He knew He had to get away from the mob and He also knew the disciples had to get away from the mob because it would have been very easy for the disciples to become involved in the carnal enthusiasm of that crowd and to get stirred up on this idea of forcing Christ to do something. And so He just says, "Disciples, leave." He put them away so the influence wasn't there. Then He said, "Crowd, you're dismissed, too," and He told them to leave. And then He went up into a mountain to pray to God. Now the results following that are in verses 16 to 29. Now in these two passages and they're really two, through verse 21, and then a new account in verse 22 to 29, but in these two sections after Christ has sent His disciples away and sent the crowd away, we see two kinds of disciples, the fake and the real, the false and the true. [/b]Both of these sections of Scripture are tremendously analogous to discipleship and in the first section we're going to meet the character and the quality of real true discipleship. In the second section, verses 22 to 29, the character of the phony disciple, and we'll see it very clearly by analogy from what we see here. [b]continues, |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Characteristics Of True And False Disciples by plappville(op): 4:24pm On Dec 07, 2011 |
May I say to you, Jesus is no utilitarian genie, He acquiesces to nobody's whims and nobody's fantasies and nobody's wishes. He comes to no man on that man's terms. Listen, men come to Him on His terms. No one uses God. No one uses Christ. I always remember the perfect illustration of that was Israel, in the Old Testament got into a problem unfortunately, as they often did, with the Philistines. And Israel had been living in sin, immorality, they had really been in idolatry. They had forgotten and forsaken God. They were living a debauched kind of life and the Philistines were winning the war. And so the Jews thought, "This is not any good, we've got to get God. You guys run back to Shiloh and get God." Now God was represented by the Ark of the Covenant, His presence. And so they, "Ah, that's all, we'll just get God and God will just, and that will be the end of them." They ran back and they got the Ark of the Covenant. They coming running over and said, "Hurray, the Ark is here, hurray the Ark is here, the battle is ours." And you know what happened, the Philistines stole the Ark. And that's what always happens. Nobody uses God, not now, not then and not in the life of Christ. Christ is not for your whims and your fancies and your wishes. You don't use God. Christ doesn't commit Himself to any man, watch it, until there is, until there is a cry for mercy and repentance. That's when God and Christ commit themselves to somebody. And there wasn't any such thing here. They didn't need to repent because they didn't know they were sinners, they weren't willing to admit that. And sadly, I think it's true too, that Christians even fall into the same error, don't we? We fall into that, that error of using Christ and it's subtle but it's true. For example, when we want comfort and sorrow, when we want strength in difficulty, when we want peace in the midst of turmoil, when we get really sick and we want help, all of a sudden there's no one like Jesus. And we walk with Him and we talk with Him, we pray, we read our Bibles. Why? Because He's got something we want. But on the other hand, when He comes to us and He makes a stern demand and He challenges us to a great effort and He offers us a cross to carry, we don't want anything to do with it, nothing at all. When we're very sick or in the midst of a terrible situation, we cry out to Christ and we love Him and we read His Word and when He says to us, "Why don't you go visiting Tuesday?" Yuk, just give me what I want, don't mess around with those demands, see. continues, |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Characteristics Of True And False Disciples by plappville(op): 4:19pm On Dec 07, 2011 |
But unfortunately, they were on the wrong ground. Instead of falling in adoration before Him, they decided that they wanted to use Him. They had their own selfish ends. They were a little bit uptight about the Roman yoke. They would just as soon have a political revolution take place and get rid of Rome and they figured, boy if this is a real miracle worker, if this is Messiah, let's pick Him up and haul Him off to Jerusalem and get this revolution going as fast as we can. In effect, they looked at Jesus Christ as if He was some kind of divine genie and they had the mistaken idea that they held the, is the lamp, I guess, that you rub and they would rub it and since they discovered the genie, it was up to them and say, "Genie, number one, we want you to do this, " and their first thought was to make Him king by force and have Him lead a revolution against Rome. See, they looked at it all backwards. There was nothing of homage. There was nothing of adoration. There was nothing of worship. There was nothing of repentance. There was nothing of a cry for mercy. There was nothing of any of that, it was all all, so You're the one, well come with me, I've got something for You to do. May I hasten to add that Jesus is nobody's genie. They were empty. They were blind. They were selfish. They were not repentant. They were thrill seekers. They found somebody who could do super magic tricks and they thought, Let's make the most of it. Boy, it's still true today. So true. Many people see Jesus Christ as a prophet, as a great teacher, and they never see their need for Him in terms of the wrath to come. [/b]Many people see Jesus as some kind of super miracle worker and if they're not involved in some kind of a so-called miraculous thing, they don't think He's even around. And all they want is to use Him to create miracles.[b] People constantly seeking sensationalism. Other people who are content just to accept Him as whatever He is and use Him for whatever purpose, like the New York nightclub owner who said, "I wouldn't be where I am today if it weren't for the Big Man upstairs." As if God comes to his rescue whenever he gets into problems with his gangland people. Well don't you ever be misled. Don't you ever be misled by the seeming honoring of Christ that eulogizes His precepts and despises His cross. That's backwards.And Jesus read the minds of this mob like it was spattered on a screen and He knew their plans. Notice it in verse 15. "When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take Him by force to make Him a King, He departed again into a mountain Himself alone." He could read their minds and He knew exactly what they were thinking. They were thinking, "Aha, here's our shot at Rome, here's our political power, let's get Him and force Him to be king." He read their minds, no problem for Him. Remember that, it applies to you and me as well. He reads us like an open book. In John chapter 2 and verse 24 He said, "No man needeth to tell Him what was in the heart of a man," He knew what was in the heart of a man. And because of that, "In Jerusalem He did not commit Himself to those false disciples, He knew their faith was not genuine." And these people saw only a political victory. They saw that maybe they could kidnap this miracle worker and have Him do tricks for their benefit. continues, |
| Christianity Etc › Characteristics Of True And False Disciples by plappville(op): 4:11pm On Dec 07, 2011 |
Turn in your Bibles now to John chapter 6 and we shall examine the passage that is before us in our continuing study in the gospel of John. As we come to our section, this morning, chapter 6 verses 15 to 29, we come to the sequel to what is described in the first part of the chapter. In verses 1 to 14 of chapter 6 Christ performs the miracle of feeding about 15 thousand or more people. Prior to His feeding those people, He had been involved in teaching them all day long and in healing them of many different illnesses. He had been involved in meeting their physical needs in terms of sickness, their spiritual needs in terms of teaching, and capped it all off by feeding them late in the day as they were hungry. Now in spite of all that they had seen, that is the miracles of Christ, and all that they had heard, that is the teaching of Christ, and all that they had actually been involved in and seen Him literally create fish and create bread right out of His omnipotent hands, in spite of all the tender pity that He had given to them, their reaction was very strange. Oh to be sure, they agreed that most likely He had some divine powers. That's undeniable. And also to be sure they were greatly impressed by His power. In fact, they were so impressed that in verse[b] 14 they said, "This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world." What prophet? The prophet spoken of in Deuteronomy 18:15 by Moses who said there is coming one from the midst of thee like unto me, unto Him shall you hearken. That Moses had said this, they concluded, was THAT prophet. In other words, they were ready to receive Jesus as their Messiah,[/b] as their Deliverer on the basis of what they had seen Him do and heard Him say. Continues, |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Was Mohammed The Prophet Of Whom Moses Spoke? by plappville(f): 1:12am On Dec 07, 2011 |
Mohammed could and would never have been mentioned in the Bible [/b]because he was irrelevant and doesn't belong to the lineage of Jesus Christ. He was an outcast who came up with his own believe just like Joseph Smith of the Mormon.We ere warn about him, its in the bible see it: [b]Matt 7:15 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Matthew 24:11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and"perform great signs and miracles" to deceive even the elect--if that were possible. Ezekiel 22:27 Her officials within her are like wolves tearing their prey; they shed blood and kill people to make unjust gain [s]Mohammed did not even perform any miracle that could ve qualified him a God sent prophet, he only parform promotion of violence and terrorism.[/s] |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Was Mohammed The Prophet Of Whom Moses Spoke? by plappville(f): 1:02am On Dec 07, 2011 |
I am sick and tired of ignorant a.s.s fanatic religious Muslims always wanting to quote the Bible out of context. The other day, one of their brothers was arguing that the holy ghost promised by Jesus was Mohammed. One said the comforter was the Mohammed.  Thats Muslims for u!!! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Islamic Practices In The Bible Unknown To Christians by plappville(f): 12:53am On Dec 07, 2011 |
[quote author=bashy_demy link=topic=817518.msg9710290#msg9710290 date=1323214304]@plappville You are nothing but a bunch of crap. can you show me in the Holy Quran where you see Alexander the Great. I always tell you, You cannot compare my Quran to your bible they are far form each other, [/quote]Is it not this same bible u use to qualify ur prophet as true? Of course i ve no reason to compare, a devine word of God and that of a mere man. In Sura 18:83-97, it says of the adventures of a man named [b]“Dhu’l-Qarneyn,”[/b]a title that means “Two-Horned.”If we read furthermore, it wrote that Dhu’l-Qarneyn which is (ALEXENDER THE GREAT) lived to a ripe old age. Will u agree with this riped old age koran story? is this not contradiction of history and error of the koran? Are u the owner of this title?  He was portrayed with two horns in ancient Greek book.defend your koran now |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Demolishing The Falsehood Of Christianity And Its Bible by plappville(f): 12:37am On Dec 07, 2011 |
[quote author=bashy_demy link=topic=739943.msg9710258#msg9710258 date=1323213814]Judek2 you just run and re surface like a Coward. The Like of you,plappville and Frosbel are well known. You run like a Coward[/quote]That we are in a forum does not means we should not respect ourselves, why do u say we run? don't u know people ve other things doing apart from NL? must everyone spend the whole day on net like u? I comment when i ve the time ok. I just replied ur post only to see u are already throwing insults. Grow up plz, it hasn't call for insults. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Demolishing The Falsehood Of Christianity And Its Bible by plappville(f): 12:33am On Dec 07, 2011 |
[quote author=bashy_demy link=topic=739943.msg9702600#msg9702600 date=1323132152]They were saving money LOL. Sorry just kidding here. Well they are Pagan Serving idols, Secoandly Allah never proof His existence[b] "throught"[/b] Mohammad alone, He did through all Prophets including Jesus. but each prophet was send to there people[b] its was only Mohammad that God send to the whole world, [/b] I believe[b]"you might have about"  [/b] where God "send" Jesus to. If you haven't then i'll tell you. God "send" Jesus to the lost ship of Israel not you cos you are not an Israelite.[/quote]How does it feel like making fun of writing faults? I don't usually care if my threads carry some spelling fault or not, i strongly believe ppl ve this "i dont care" habit in forum or chat room. U must correct some of the bold i marked for u as well, hahahaha, i meant to say "serve" not save.If they were serving idols before Mohammed, u will agree with me that they were serving the kaaba, the same Kaaba u muslims worship today If u accept other prophets were from GOD, U should also know that, these prophets before Mohammed were not into idolatery. Did God just decides to change from a teaching "MERCI WITH JESUS" to the people, and introduced a total "TERROR, BRUTAL" teaching to the people by Mohameds?? How did Momammed fits in with others past prophets?? Let me prove u wrong with your mentality of (JESUS DID NOT COME FOR U): Yes becos the Jews re God's chosen people, God chose Israel as the means by which to BLESS the world with the Word of God, the Savior, the Apostles, Salvation, and Christianity itself. This is why Israel as a nation is precious in God's eyes. However, the Scripture plainly states that God is "NO" respecter of persons (Acts 10:34) and that there is "NO" difference between the Jew and the Gentile (Romans 10:12). We as Christians re not obligated/expected to befriend the heathen nation of Israel today. Jesus said to his disciples: Matthew 28:19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, They are to make disciples of both u and me. (Mark 16:15) And he said unto them, Go you into all the "world", and preach the gospel to "every creature".Who are the world? only the nation of Israel? no, u and me are included, because it also says every creature. U must know effect from now that, everything that God ever did through Israel was with one intent—to bring salvation to the human race. Thank God for the precious redeeming literal blood of Jesus Christ that washes our sins away. (1st Peter 1:18,19; Revelation 1:5). make sure u Read these verses, dont be ignorant about the truth [size=16pt]Jesus, Christ, Son of God, Redeemer, Savior, call him these names.[/size] |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Islamic Practices In The Bible Unknown To Christians by plappville(f): 11:10pm On Dec 06, 2011 |
[quote author=bashy_demy link=topic=817518.msg9706386#msg9706386 date=1323181368]Give me another Verses in the Holy Quran that says otherwise. Do you even know the meaning of Contradictions? (plappvill: your Koran contradicts history and the bible, u will agree with me that the text of Genesis was fixed many centuries before Islam. Genesis made mentioned of all the travels of Abraham, but there is nowhere mentions in the bible that Arabia/Mecca was part of his journeys, so how did Mohamed came about ABRAHAM AND ISHMEAL BUILDING THE KAABA??) U tht know what contradiction is tell me plz i want to know where Mohamed got Abraham's journey to Mecca that was never recorded in any history book. Abraham's had always travel with his troop included. They traveled from U.R to Canaan via the established routes such as the Kings Highway or whatever. It is far less likely that they then still had any reason to travel another 700 miles south into the central Hijaz. First of all can you Define ripe old Age? i dont think you even understand English. [s]What is the problem in someone living a ripe old age,[/s] can you tell me how is Abraham,Moses,Adam,Solomon, before they died? have you ever hear the story of Melchizedek in your bible? that is a man that has no Birth/death record, He was not trace to any family Family whatsoever and no one know where he is till today but they believe he is still alive. Genesis 14:18: 18And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God. (Plappvill: Even my first kid can define it for u, u are just misunderstanding the whole thing by believing u know too well! Go back to my my question and correct urself plz. "Alexander the great" died at 33yrs old, how is this a "ripe old age" by your koran? isn't this contradicting History record? Abraham, Moses, and "Methuselah" known as the oldest man in the bible, are surely fits in the RIPE OLD AGE, not a man that died of some weak illness at 33. U must ve come to your senses now, so tell me how mohammed arrived with this age qoutation of ALEXANDER THE GREAT.)[/quote] |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Was Mohammed The Prophet Of Whom Moses Spoke? by plappville(f): 9:36pm On Dec 06, 2011 |
frosbel:It is not corrupt when they need it to back up MOHA! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Was Mohammed The Prophet Of Whom Moses Spoke? by plappville(f): 9:33pm On Dec 06, 2011 |
[quote author=the_seeker link=topic=819005.msg9707220#msg9707220 date=1323186877]Am sincerly sorry for the mix up but that in no way weakens the arguement. Recall john was asked three seperate questions. He was asked whether he was, christ, elijah and john and aswered NO three times. Meaning he (john) and the questioner knew those 3 are different personalities. The jews were expecting christ, elijah and the prophet. So how then can christ and the pophet be one and the same person?[/quote]@the_seeker, Frosbel's article gave a clear evidence that mohammed in no way do not posses a single quality of Moses phrophecy. but u seem to be yet convince instead misqouting the bible!, but its ok, this can be out of ignorance. I hereby post u another good article, still on this facts, but more more examples of JESUS AND MOSES uniqueness. While there are some similarities Mohammed shared with Moses’ life, there are even more differences. This is where the waters part. For example, Moses was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians (Acts 7:22). We find Mohammed is believed by almost all Muslims to be illiterate. They use this as a strong point of God using someone without an education. Moses received his revelation direct from God speaking to him first and with God’s own finger writing the commandments on stone tablets. Mohammed received his revelation from the Angel Gabriel while on the ground having convulsions according to their own sources. It is a fact that even Mohammed questioned what was the source thinking it was jinn. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Can He Be Of God? by plappville(op): 5:28pm On Dec 06, 2011 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: How Can He Be Of God? by plappville(op): 5:26pm On Dec 06, 2011 |
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 71, Number 590: Narrated Anas: The climate of Medina did not suit some people, so the Prophet ordered them to follow his shepherd, i.e. his camels, and drink their milk and urine (as a medicine). So they followed the shepherd that is the camels and drank their milk and urine till their bodies became healthy. Then they killed the shepherd and drove away the camels. When the news reached the Prophet he sent some people in their pursuit. When they were brought, he cut their hands and feet and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron. Not only were these men tortured but some traditions say that they were refused water and left to die slow and mutilated. The account states: "I saw one of them licking the earth with his tongue till he died." (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 71, Number 589) |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Can He Be Of God? by plappville(op): 5:25pm On Dec 06, 2011 |
Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 38, Number 4359: Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: The verse "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Apostle, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite side or exile from the land, most merciful" was revealed about polytheists. If any of them repents before they are arrested, it does not prevent from inflicting on him the prescribed punishment which he deserves. (Sunan Abu Dawud book 38. Number 4356, 4357, 4359) No wonder sharia is in practice today |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Can He Be Of God? by plappville(op): 5:22pm On Dec 06, 2011 |
frosbel:What a horrible history of a prophet! Continue, |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Can He Be Of God? by plappville(op): 5:20pm On Dec 06, 2011 |
Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 38, Number 4357: Narrated AbuzZinad: When the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) cut off (the hands and feet of) those who had stolen his camels and he had their eyes put out by fire (heated nails), Allah reprimanded him on that (action), and Allah, the Exalted, revealed: "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Apostle and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is execution or crucifixion." |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Can He Be Of God? by plappville(op): 5:18pm On Dec 06, 2011 |
Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 38, Number 4356: Narrated Abdullah ibn Umar: Some people raided the camels of the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him), drove them off, and apostatised. They killed the herdsman of the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) who was a believer. He (the Prophet) sent (people) in pursuit of them and they were caught. He had their hands and feet cut off, and their eyes put out. The verse regarding fighting against Allah and His Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) was then revealed. These were the people about whom Anas ibn Malik informed al-Hajjaj when he asked him. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Can He Be Of God? by plappville(op): 5:12pm On Dec 06, 2011 |
"Kinana al-Rabi, who had the custody of the treasure of Banu Nadir, was brought to the apostle who asked him about it. He denied that he knew where it was. A Jew came (Tabari says "was brought"  , to the apostle and said that he had seen Kinana going round a certain ruin every morning early. When the apostle said to Kinana, "Do you know that if we find you have it I shall kill you?" He said "Yes". The apostle gave orders that the ruin was to be excavated and some of the treasure was found. When he asked him about the rest he refused to produce it, so the apostle gave orders to al-Zubayr Al-Awwam, "Torture him until you extract what he has." So he kindled a fire with flint and steel on his chest until he was nearly dead. Then the apostle delivered him to Muhammad b. Maslama and he struck off his head, in revenge for his brother Mahmud." (Abd Al-Malik Ibn Hisham, Muhammad Ibn Ishaq, The Life of Muhammad, Translated by A. Guillaume [Oxford University Press, 2002], p. 515) |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Can He Be Of God? by plappville(op): 5:12pm On Dec 06, 2011 |
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| Christianity Etc › How Can He Be Of God? by plappville(op): 4:18pm On Dec 06, 2011 |
"A blind man had a slave-mother who used to abuse the Prophet and disparage him. He forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander the Prophet and abuse him. So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet was informed about it. He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up. He sat before the Prophet and said: Apostle of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her. Thereupon the Prophet said: Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood." (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 38, Number 4348) Mohamad's reaction towards honor killing has no line with Godliness' Jesus teaching towards humans is to be merciful. mohamed came after Jesus, he refused to follow the same merciful step. Mohamad merely implied that the woman's life was worth nothing instead. See another issue:. "Narrated Ali ibn AbuTalib: A Jewess used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. A man strangled her till she died. The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) declared that no recompense was payable for her blood." (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 38, Number 4349) READING MORE OF HIS IT |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Islamic Practices In The Bible Unknown To Christians by plappville(f): 3:18pm On Dec 06, 2011 |
[quote author=bashy_demy link=topic=817518.msg9705690#msg9705690 date=1323176023]@plappville if you want to Challenge me create a thread for me and you and lets see what we both have to learn/share how about that?[/quote]Comon mr BASHY_DEMY?, dont ignore what u requested for, enlighten us on these erros from the koran mohamed. more will come as soon as u finish with this two, we must be convinced that he made mistakes with history! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Islamic Practices In The Bible Unknown To Christians by plappville(f): 3:10pm On Dec 06, 2011 |
(from @bashy_demy))):@plappville and davidylan i chanllenge both of you to bring out the contradiction in the Holy quran, do you think Quran was brought by one paul and was written but some 40 silly men? i laugh at you guys always arguing blindly without proof@bashy_demy, u wanted some koran contradictions, there are alot and Muslim scholars finds it difficult to understand why these errors are in place. U ve failed to help @David to arrive at a point. But that wont stop me from giving u wat u requested for, Plz correct your Koran or History books. How did Mohamed come manage to come up wit the below?? How true is the story of Abraham and the Ka’bah in the koran? your Koran wrote that, Abraham and his son Ishmael were the ones who built the Ka’bah in Mecca (Sura 2:127). Are u aware of hw contradicting this is to all history books known?: Again in the koran, In Sura 18:83-97, it says of the adventures of a man named “Dhu’l-Qarneyn,”a title that means “Two-Horned.”If we read furthermore, it wrote that Dhu’l-Qarneyn which is (ALEXENDER THE GREAT) lived to a ripe old age. Will u agree with this riped old age koran story? is this not contradiction of history and error of the koran? [quote][/quote] |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Islamic Practices In The Bible Unknown To Christians by plappville(f): 3:09pm On Dec 06, 2011 |
[quote author=bashy_demy link=topic=817518.msg9705995#msg9705995 date=1323178518]well you have to tell me who they were asking John if he is that Prophet? John 1:18-25: 18No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. 19And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou? 20And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ. 21And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou t[b]hat prophet?[/b] And he answered, No. 22Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself? 23He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias. 24And they which were sent were of the Pharisees. 25And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet? can you Please explain why they refuse to mention the Prophet instead they say The prophet, who was the prophet? please dont dodge the Question[/quote]why do u want to be told something here? u runing away from answering questions, yet u asked people questions |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Islamic Practices In The Bible Unknown To Christians by plappville(f): 1:32pm On Dec 06, 2011 |
[quote author=bashy_demy link=topic=817518.msg9700463#msg9700463 date=1323109563]@plappville and davidylan i chanllenge both of you to bring out the contradiction in the Holy quran, do you think Quran was brought by one paul and was written but some 40 silly men? i laugh at you guys always arguing blindly without proof[/quote]I wonder who is chanlanging with u, oya mr, defend these errors by mohamed. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Islamic Practices In The Bible Unknown To Christians by plappville(f): 1:29pm On Dec 06, 2011 |
[quote author=bashy_demy link=topic=817518.msg9705407#msg9705407 date=1323173722]And also turn a Norway Terrorist and kill 77 people[/quote]Why should u qoute Frosbel first before me? i ve been expecting u to refutes those errors in the koran, SEE it below: Posted on: Yesterday at 10:15:15 PM Posted by: plappville, thank u. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Islamic Practices In The Bible Unknown To Christians by plappville(f): 1:19pm On Dec 06, 2011 |
lepasharon: lepasharon: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Fasting : Your Personal Experience, What's The Longest Time You Have Fasted? by plappville(f): 11:39am On Dec 06, 2011 |
Nice topic, i ve come to learn things lols. Coming bk to narate mine 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Will A Born Again Christian Commit Adultery? by plappville(f): 11:27am On Dec 06, 2011 |
@italo, read ur bible well u will see that our Lord alawys answer question with the word It is "writen" if u ve come across him answered any question with yes or no give me the verse. Not all question deserved yes or no on like this. So my answer still remains. 1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: "and he cannot sin", because he is born of God. Tell me u dont believe this verse. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Will A Born Again Christian Commit Adultery? by plappville(f): 11:41pm On Dec 05, 2011 |
@italo, i believe i ve already answer u in the other thread. I will repost it here if u want: A born again has no interest to sin, when u throw away your old clothes, will u go back searching at the bin to rewear it? Its also like eating ones vomit. We can overcome sin if we are vigilant enogh, and this is by Gods grace. See what the scriptures teaches, and i believe every born-again put this in practice. 1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. I keep moving with this very verse, all by his grace, "not commit sin" "Gods seed remaineth in him" If take excuse to sin, that seed wont remain anymore. |
Both Moses and Jesus were reared in the house that was not their natural parents. (Moses in the house of Pharaoh (Ex.2:10) Jesus by Mary the mother of his humanity and his stepfather Joseph.
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