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[quote author=bashy_demy link=topic=820160.msg9726156#msg9726156 date=1323398035]So since the bible is corrupt we should abandon the truth in it? is like saying Nigeria is corrupt and no good thing will ever come out of Nigeria.[/quote]Why on earth should u count on a thing that u already claimed as corrupt? Do u eat ur vomit? Do u know the meaning of corruption? Reason well when commenting plz!

[size=16pt]Individual islamists may appear law-abiding and reasonable, but they are part of a totalitarian movement, and as such, all must be considered potential killers. The oat must be practise in full.[/size]

LagosShia:
BIBLE TEACHING TO GIVE THE FORESKIN OF UNCIRCUMCISED MEN AS BRIDE-PRICE   
1 Samuel 18:25-27
Then Saul said,“Thus shall you say to David,‘The king desires no bride-price except a hundred foreskins of the Philistines, that he may be avenged of the king’s enemies.’” Now Saul thought to make David fall by the hand of the Philistines. And when his servants told David these words, it pleased David well to be the king’s son-in-law. Before the time had expired, David arose and went, along with his men, and killed two hundred of the Philistines. And David brought their foreskins, which were given in full number to the king, that he might become the king’s son-in-law. And Saul gave him his daughter Michal for a wife.


BIBLE TEACHING ON HOW WHO.RES MAKE CHOICE OF HUSBAND     
Ezekiel 23:20
There she lusted after her lovers, whose pe.nises were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.

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"Bible (im)morality":
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-739876.0.html

Who has the power to oppose GOD? the same God of ABraham, Iseec and Israel, A God of convenant.

Jesus is the CREATOR of everything. =Mohammed was created by Him.

Jesus is GOD in the flesh. =Even if u like it or not, it remains.

Every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord and God. =Mohammed bows so who are u not to?

Everyone who doubts here WILL confess at the end that Jesus Christ is the Lord and Creator God.= The last day will be drastical for people like u, if u don't repent.

When you come face to face with God, remember the choice you made today.= Make up ur mind.

Accept the salvation (love and forgiveness and mercy) of Jesus Christ into your heart and be assured of your eternity in His presence.

Or prepare for eternity away from Him in the only other place, "Hell".

It is one or the other. Jesus or Satan.

[size=16pt] In the name of Allah, Most Merciful and Compassionate()
Go Out and Kill Jews, Christians, pagans etc, [/size]



Be warned of the evil in human form [size=20pt]islam![/size]

Judek2:
discussion of two Muslims.

Q=The Koran is 100% correct.
A=ofcorse, it is Perfect.

Q=It is the only book accepted by Allah.
A=thats true my brother

Q= Any one who says otherwise, we shall kill him.
A= Why not? Allah commanded us to do so.

Q= The Bible has been replaced,it is corrupt.
A= yes o. .thats why Allah sent the Koran.

Q= And the Bible prophecied about Mohammad
A= yeah,Mohammads part is not corrupt.

[size=18pt]WHERE THERE'S SMOKE,
THERE'S MUSLIMS![/size]

Judek2:
There is nothing to expose again in Islam cos it is already exposed.

While Lagoshia and his crew are here trying to wipe their asses, Muslim countries and Muslims are out there doing their damn thing.

Allah is Dracular. .
[size=50pt]I NEED BLOOD[/size]

True talk but u know, so many secret are not known by alot of people that join this cult, They can't read the koran, they just accept what they are told. The islamic nations are killing themselves not only Christians. Its a cult, u dear not walk out once u are been initiated.

[size=14pt]To all, Jesus is lord come to him all ye people and be saved.[/size]

PASSAGES STATING THAT JESUS IS THE CREATOR.

1ST STATEMENT

John 1:1 (KJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2 (KJV) The same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 (KJV) All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 1:4 (KJV) In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
John 1:5 (KJV) And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
John 1:6 (KJV) There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
John 1:7 (KJV) The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
John 1:8 (KJV) He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
John 1:9 (KJV) That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

2ND STATEMENT

John 1:10 (KJV) He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
John 1:11 (KJV) He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
John 1:12 (KJV) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
John 1:13 (KJV) Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
John 1:14 (KJV) And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

3RD STATEMENT

Hebrews 1:1 (KJV) God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Hebrews 1:2 (KJV) Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

4TH STATEMENT
Hebrews 1:3 (KJV) Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Hebrews 1:4 (KJV) Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
Hebrews 1:5 (KJV) For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Hebrews 1:6 (KJV) And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
Hebrews 1:7 (KJV) And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

GOD CALLING JESUS GOD
Hebrews 1:8 (KJV) But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Hebrews 1:9 (KJV) Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

5TH STATEMENT
Hebrews 1:10 (KJV) And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
Hebrews 1:11 (KJV) They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
Hebrews 1:12 (KJV) And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
Hebrews 1:13 (KJV) But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Hebrews 1:14 (KJV) Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

6TH & 7TH STATEMENT

Colossians 1:9 (KJV) For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;
Colossians 1:10 (KJV) That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;
Colossians 1:11 (KJV) Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;
Colossians 1:12 (KJV) Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
Colossians 1:13 (KJV) Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Colossians 1:14 (KJV) In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Colossians 1:15 (KJV) Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Colossians 1:16 (KJV) For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Colossians 1:17 (KJV) And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

8TH STATEMENT

Ephesians 3:8 (KJV) Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
Ephesians 3:9 (KJV) And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:





[size=18pt]He will judge everyone under this earth on the last day.
Accept it or not, believe it or not, he has been, he is still, and he remains.[/size]

[quote author=bashy_demy link=topic=739943.msg9731240#msg9731240 date=1323453679](( and can you tell me more about Christianity and how it come to existence? Did Jesus preach about Christianity at all during his life.?))[/quote]A tempter, Have u not been misqouting the bible in NL?? make fun of ur keyboard and believe everyone here is like u!

davidylan:
these are FACTS verified by archaeology and history. Where are the facts backing up this mystical kaaba that abraham built?

His facts are from the copied babyish koran!

ok.so it is the so called "satanic verses" that Judek was also talking about.here is a complete and scholarly refutation by one of our highest authorities in Shia Islam to the allegation to prove the impossibility that such an imagination ever existed:

The aim of the SATANIC verse was to brainwash the Quraysh as in making them to believe that thier gods are still valid, A verse that was uttered by Muhammad as a “revelation” it appears in the Koran, in Sura 53:

Have you thought on Al-Lat and Al-Uzza, and on Manat, the third other?

It was part of his “revelation” that sought compromise with the Quraysh, referring as they did to the three godesses:
These are the exalted birds whose intercession is approved.

Like i said before, the devil is very intelligent: before the Quraysh acted on the perceivec compromise, Mohamad came to his senses, judged the verses approving the intercession of the “exalted birds” to have been inspired by Satan, [/b]and rejected them with a new revelation:

[b]Hey are but names which you and your fathers have invented: God has vested no authority in them. The unbelievers follow but vain conjectures and the whims of their own souls, although the guidance of their Lord has long since come to them.

This was how the “exalted birds” were expunged from the Koran and never again acknowledged as having ever been part of the Koran as you are claiming today.

If mhamad could not distinguish btw the voice of God and the voice of the Devil, then he has never been a Prophet after all. There is nothing muslims can refute here. Satan has been intelligent right from day one of Islam, the Ideal came from him period. If you are not happy, it remains like this.

Ozichim:
I agree with you about the Jesus you believe and the Jesus Christians believe. Can you Imagin somebody coming to teach you about your father. It sounds funny that one man appeared and begin to tell Christians what they believe, after about 1500 years.

When you say Allah is the greatest @LegoShia "Islam is the TRUTH!Allah Is The Greatest!!!!]" It doesn't change anything.

If you are deceived you are deceived.

Tell me what Allah has done Before and now that make you believe in Him. What is the proves that He is the true God. Pls. don't tell me the Story pulled from the Bible.
Is it becouse Mohammed won (did not loose) a Battle? or
Is it becouse Mohammed conquered many tribes/towns for Allah and they become Islam?
no no no no! you are wiser than that.

I have told you the truth and you did not believe.

Matthew 9:13  But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Romans 10:13  For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

I'm talking to you and every other person that has not accepted Christ into his life.
In Islam, is it a crime to pray asking God to have mercy on you and to show you the truth?

I'm trying to suggest that you ask God to reveal the truth to you; ie ask Jesus to prove himself to you if He is real or not.

Hebrews 9:26  For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Hebrews 9:27  And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Hebrews 9:28  So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

We are all human any body can make mistake, anybody can be deceived, So I don't think it should be a crime for any human to insist on confirming that what he/she believe is the truth.

Acts 17:11   These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

In as much as we are explaining and defending what we believe, we should also know that one should be able to question himself about his belief.

I have done all this. I was being forced to church before, until I have to confirm manything my self.

A well known American Layer has toured the world and the middle east while trying to disprove Christianity only to surprisingly confirming that every Story in the Bible is true. This man, I will try to get his name is not even a Christian.

If we value our life which I think we should we should be sure that we are not making a mistake.

I did not believe on The Lord Jesus Christ because my prayer is answered when I pray but because I have confirmed and discovered that everything about it is clear and real.

Are you not surprise that every other religion seems to be hovering around Christianity?  

I know that no sane person will hate himself (I mean His life).
Your life (I mean your real life ie. Life after dearth) Worth's more than your faith/belief. ie consider it first before your faith. You shouldn't toss with it.

So,
Where are you going when you die?
Are you sure?

                   This is a special and uncommon claim. And somebody has actually diffited death.

1 Corinthians 15:55  O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
John 14:6  Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Matthew 28:1  In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
Matthew 28:2  And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
Matthew 28:3   His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
Matthew 28:4  And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.
Matthew 28:5  And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
Matthew 28:6  He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.
Matthew 28:7  And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.

So, pls. believe me somebody has power over death and that is Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

Romans 9:33  As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Romans 10:9  That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Romans 10:11  For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Romans 10:13  For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

The bold is a very intelligent question, They are so confussed that they mix up everything.

[quote author=bashy_demy link=topic=739943.msg9729070#msg9729070 date=1323434984]Alot of Questions. If you want to answer them no problem i am available for you. I will provide you with the questions.[/quote]How many have u been able to defend, u are looking for someone u will wast his energy when u are preserving urs, nothing positive come out of ur few comment, always relying on LagosShian to defend u. What else do u ve to say than ([size=16pt]ranting[/size] A lazy way to defend urself. Scroll down and see how u ve not been able to defend nothing, u run away from them by bringing up irrelivant topic outside the thread.

is there any book that ascribes to the temple in Jerusalem which is regarded as the third holiest place in Islam to have being the first house built for the worship of God? if not,then why the too many words talking nonsense?

What is wrong with u mixing everything up? what are u talking about? the bible is far far older than the socalled koran, The bible gave details of this temple built for God, it has been used in worshiping God by the prophets, priest, kings etc in the old testament ever before Jesus Christ came to earth.

Only for the koran to come and give a different story about this temple. Is the bible not older than the koran? So how come the koran rating the first worshiped temple as the third?

First Temple was built by King Solomon c.960 BCE and destroyed by the Babylonians under Nebuchadnezzar in 586 BCE. The Second Temple was dedicated c. 520 BCE and destroyed by the Romans under Titus in 70 CE.

Originally, King David had wanted to build the temple, but God, through Nathan the prophet, rejected this wish, evidently on the grounds that he had shed blood. Instead Nathan informed David that his son Solomon would build the Temple (II Sam. 7:12-13).

(I Kings 6:29-30). The Holy of Holies was entered only once a year, on the Day of Atonement, by the High Priest.

Why is it so hard for Muslim to become a Christian or join with another religion?

Mohammed said, “Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him.” (Hadith Al Buhkari vol. 9:57) This command is practiced in almost all Islamic Fundamentalist countries today.

The Qur’an says not to begin with hostilities, and Allah does not love the aggressor, it is not acceptable when Islam is refused. For it teaches not to turn away and bless but “the one who attacks you, you attack him in like manner, whoso defendeth himself after he hath suffered wrong, there is no way (blame) against them.”

Sura 26:227 “Except those who believe, work righteousness, engage much in the remembrance of God, and defend themselves only after they are unjustly attacked. And soon will the unjust assailants know what vicissitudes their affairs will take!”

They present certain verses and ignore others verses that have quite a different tone such as 3:85 “Whoever seeks other than Islam as his religion, it will not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he will be with the losers” “Slay the idolators [non-Muslims] wherever ye find them, and take them captive, and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah [/b]nor the last Day…. Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! (Sura 9:5,29,41).

Muslim’s make every effort to suppress any who hold on to the Bible. They say they believe the Bible but will not allow the[b] Bible to be taught to Muslims. They cannot allow anyone who believes the Bible the right to declare their belief as they do. Their  persecution of Bible believers shows their lack of trust in their own religion to show any truth. If they trust the power of the Qur'an, why would they rely on the bible to back up their religion as truth, why will they rely on physical force and intimidation.

[size=16pt]THE SCRIPTURE THAT WAS GIVEN BY GOD IS NOW TO BE DISTROYED BY ALLAH

IF THEY VE SUCCEDED IN DISTROYING IT, HOW WILL daniel 2 THE 5TH KINGDOM by @LagosShia work out

How will ve known that ISLAM is in the bible.

Islam is a big dream, come out of her all ye ignorants!!![/b][/size]

[size=16pt]DENYING ALLAH'S SUN AND FRESH AIR[/size]

The best way to hid bomb of course

French national day today 9/12./2011, based on the 1905 secular French law on the separation of the Churches and the State.

Chistians held thier peace by not interupting the law, but Muslims are all protesting, each year they demonstrate as if they are the only religious people on earth. they will force islam on u, but will u alow it? Violence in provocation!!!!

free123:
Last month, an iranian man was sentenced to death for rejecting islam and accepting christianity. The same month, it was aired on Press Tv live where two sisters and two men were beheaded for killing someone in saudi arabia.

So many evil activities going on in islamic countries till date - saudi arabia, pakistan, iran, afghanistan, yemen, bahrain.

One that really baffled me was the period shia muslims mourned their iman hussain, some shias flogged their bodies with chains to the extent that blood gushed out of some bodies while some hit their chests massively.

You can trust the sunnis in their bid to carry out allah's course. In irag and afghanistan, some shias were sent to meet their 72 virgins by sunnis suicide bombers.

The funny thing is that these bombers do not like to go to paradise alone, they must take some people with them to throw a large party of sex.:

Most merciful allah indeed!

The world still dont want to understand the word "PEACE", Islam has the good definition, and that's what they are demostrating. On the conterary

[quote author=bashy_demy link=topic=819101.msg9725081#msg9725081 date=1323380041]Deuteronomy 22:20-22:

20But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:

21Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the LovePeddler in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.

22If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel.


Leviticus 20:7-10:

7Sanctify yourselves therefore, and be ye holy: for I am the LORD your God.

8And ye shall keep my statutes, and do them: I am the LORD which sanctify you.

9For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.

10And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.


Proverbs 6:30-32:

30Men do not despise a thief, if he steal to satisfy his soul when he is hungry;

31But if he be found, he shall restore sevenfold; he shall give all the substance of his house.

32But whoso committeth adultery with a woman lacketh understanding: he that doeth it destroyeth his own soul.



If you come to tell me one stupi.d story that old things have pass away, Then you will explain what those verses are doing inside your New Testament[/quote](2 corinthians 5:17) Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creation: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

This has nothing to do with ur interpretation , when u confessed Jesus, u now accept him into ur life, u are now new, ur old sinful world is passed away. It's not talking about the old testament

We practice what our lord teaches. Not more or less. You are so right to ve qouted the old testament, that's is where the islamic doctrine copied from: When Jesus was on earth, the stone to death law has been effective, But, he is not u, me or Pilate, he is the law itself. Now let me stress ur eyes in a good way by this short illustration concerning Deuteronomy 22:22.

Lets see how he handled one situation that warranted stone to death::

In John 8:1-11, here goes the story, When the scribes and Pharises brought a woman whom they testified was caught in "the very act" of adultery, there is no question about her guilt.

But as Jesus could read the linds of multitude, he knew so well there is a plot to "test" HIM with the idea of proving Him false. The Pharises were skillfully laying a trap. It was a setup infact, they were not really after the poor woman as much as they were after Jesus finding falts just like U are doing here in NL.

The Pharisees demanded, "Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women; they ve already misquoted Deuteronomy 22:22, this Law demanded that both parties be stoned.

It was only under the condition of persistance after previous warning and after the actual witness of the act of adultery by two competent witnesses that a couple was to be stoned, They brought the woman, but where is the man she commited the act with? they kept pressurizing Jesus, Saying Come on, tell us teacher, what do You say?

"Jesus then stooped down, and with His finger wrote on the ground" The question now for them is that.
Jesus, will u kill this woman or kill Moses law? will u compromise ur religious principles or kill the person?

Jesus stoped writing on the sand and stood up and invited any one among them who was "sinless", not guilty of general sinfulness, to throw the first stone. Hahaha, the trap they set for Jesus has failed here.

with this statement they were not able to say Jesus rejected the law. Jesus knew the heart of each one of them, he said, go ahead, "you are right", the "Law says stone her". "She is guilty".
now, you, which one of u, is sinless? Of course none. What a deathly silence ve fell over that crowd.

This is a serious matter, but the way Jesus handled it, makes it different, WHY IS HE THE MESSAIH!

See what happen next:. "And straightening up, Jesus said to her, 'woman, where are they? did no one condemn you?'" "No one, Lord". Jesus said to her, "Neither do I condemn you; go your way; from now on sin no more.

So u can see that JESUS is the symbol of "peace and love" Jesus offers forgiveness, He freely offers SALVATION. U can be in same shoe as this stone to death today as a muslim, But Jesus is calling u, he hasn't condenm u to be stoned to death, u need salvation by grace alone through faith alone in "Christ alone".

Where is the peace in islam if sinners themselves ve the power to kill other sinner? the authority to condernm others to death, is unforgiving. Islam practice unforgiveness.

The next time you post me verses by misqouting them, you will have a more lengthy reply from me,
by reading it, u will be inspired by the word of God.

There are four schools of religious law in the Sunni world (90% of the Islamic world) that are[b] “authorized” to interpret the law in the Islamic society, [/b]even though they sometimes differ on critical issues. They are the foundation of the Islamic society when it comes to interpret the law. They are the Maliki, Hanbali, Hanafi and Shafi'i schools, and they base their interpretations on the Quran, hadiths and sunna. For instance, according to the Maliki rite (after the interpretations of the imam Malik, and considered the least strict of the four schools), the following rules are to be implemented:
1)If one refuses to perform the ritual prayer (Salaat), he is put in isolation until the next prayer, then put to death if he refuses to perform the next prayer.
2)The apostate shall be put to death.
3 The adultery shall be stoned to death.
This is very simply completely in line with the “Sahih” hadiths.

nahinbdis:
Surely, there is a chance for does left behind after the rapture to still make Heaven. However, they will have to endure and experience much persecution and catastrophe. The best thing therefore is to go with the first batch.

Come dear Jesus, We await Thee.

The inssurance to make the first batch is to hold firm to his word, and remain new as we are from the first day we confessed him.

Judek2:
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

It will happen after the rapture. Those whose names is not written in the book of life of Jesus Christ,the lamb that was slain from the foundation of the earth will experience the trials and the acceptance of the mark.
They shall surely be given a second chance,this time their works shall determine their faith.

To the bold, true there is the second chance, but best we avoid it, it is not to be witness at all.

Revelation 14:9-10 (HCSB) — 9 And a third angel followed them and spoke with a loud voice: "If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10, he will also drink the wine of God’s wrath, He will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the sight of the holy angels

Ozichim:
I agreed with you concerning the Mark of the Beast and the great tribulation. It will really be terrible.
But I'am not sure or I can't guaranty that there will be another opportunity for anybody that missed the rapture.

Consedring the following verses:
Hebrews 12:25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
Hebrews 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
Hebrews 12:27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

Also.
Matthew 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
Matthew 13:25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
Matthew 13:26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
Matthew 13:27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
Matthew 13:28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
Matthew 13:29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
Matthew 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

So you see, The end time issue and the mark of the beast could also be a time of clear distinction between believers and unbelievers and then the harvest will take place.
I can't guaranty any opportunity of making heaven after rapture. Bearing in mind that rapture involves the resurrection of the saints who are already death before the rapture.

After the rapture the world will face the wrath of God. Where God will punish those in earth including the antichrist.

In this case there is no need for the period of great tortured by trying to brainwash the left behind to take the mark. Rapture has taken place, those who believed in Christ but somewhere along the line were not faithful with their heart, Those who never believed but have heard about the danger of taking the mark, they are the people that may decide to suffer their flesh no matter the torture, they will refused it, but its not gonna be easy, as many will giveup by accepting the mark. This is where faith will determined according to Judek2. No more grace for them. This passage makes it clearer:Revelation 20:4 (HCSB) Then I saw thrones, and people seated on them who were given authority to judge. I also saw the people, who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of God’s word, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and who had not accepted the mark on their foreheads or their hands.

I hope God has visited that temple with cloud like he did with Temple in Jeruselem.
His presence should be observed to prove he truely dwell therin, just wonderin!

Whatever claim u take in the bible is rubbish, a corrupt book is corrupt in all ways. Nothing written in the bible is true or divine, take it and stop forcing Islam into the corrupt bible.

(Jesus said, i am the way, the truth and the life, for no one cometh unto my Father but by me) this stands.

(Jesus warns us against false prophets. Mohamed fits in with all prove, by denying Jesus. "Beware of false prophets"

(for God so love the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him will not perish but ve everlasting life, @lagoshia, do u believe in Him? If no it is be ause the bible is believed to be corrupt, this is valid for all chapter and verses u ve been using to bk up ur false doctrine.

Leave the bible alone and concentrate in ur koranic versee.

He is a christian, and u re asking him a question as if he is a pagan
The verses are ok for ur responds.

Like i said befor, this is a wonderful topic, for me and of course others. I do it twice each week, but i must break it at 18 hours. This is the longest i ve done and i feel very ok with it. Its a period must dedicated with God, its a good period to study the bible. I also love listening to gospel worship songs by Don Moen and Paul Wilber, they are inspirational during fasting. I will love to know from those of u that did fasting from childhood.

At what age did ur parents involved u into it? I would love to know so as to follow up with my kids.
I never fasted when i was teen.

A prove to try doing a longer days fasting!

@lagosShia, ur blood is too hot, u think u re doing ur cliamed religion any good by bonting around christian? Post whatever u wished about christianity, we are in a free world. If u want to condem the whole pastors for a chime comitted by one, then i can tell u about Am IMAM in Nigeria who asked money from one of my muslim friend to pray for her house building project. This girl sent down money each time for prayers through phone becos she is in the West. She try to convinced another of our friend that was facing family problem to contact the Imah for prayers.
Hopefull, she contacted me and i rebuked her from imitation the born muslim friend.

During the time early this year, there was flood in Lagos, the born islam girl that has been sending money to Imah for protection of her house got the sadest news so far! Her house was carried by the flood, she didnt stop cursing the Imah becos, it was the least she espected. Will i now put all the Imams in same basket as this corrupt one? Be matured in ur thinking plz.

After all, Islam has been a framed up thing, the annouce of mohammed been a prophed was during a dinner/lunch, the people has to be in a good mode in other for them to accept his new claim. Leave false pastors alone, each ve Gods judgement.

[quote author=bashy_demy link=topic=819101.msg9724961#msg9724961 date=1323378814]Shame on you. You are serving a God that it is FINISHED FOR[/quote]No problem, its my chioce. am just  with him. gudnite broda!

There are numerous hadiths which state that a person who commits adultery shall be stoned to death. Such hadiths are responsible for the fact that many people found guilty of adultery in traditional Muslim societies have been stoned to death over the past centuries, and it is still the case in a number of countries including Saoudia Arabia, Iran, Sudan, Pakistan, The United Arab Emirates, ….
Let us read again Muslim’s famous “Sahih” (“authentic”) hadith quoted earlier:
Adultery, Sahih Muslim, Book 017, Number 4191:
'Ubada b. as-Samit reported: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Receive (teaching) from me, receive (teaching) from me. Allah has ordained a way for those (women). When an unmarried male commits adultery with an unmarried female (they should receive) one hundred lashes and banishment for one year. And in case of married male committing adultery with a married female, they shall receive one hundred lashes and be stoned to death.


(quran 24:2) [As for] the unchaste women (azzâniyatou) and the unchaste men (azzânî) [having sexual intercourse while not married to one another], flog each of them a hundred lashes, and do not let [your] pity towards them keep you from carrying out God’s law, if you believe in God and the Last Day. And let a group of believers witness their (dual = both of them) punishment. (24:3) The unchaste men shall not be able to marry except a person guilty of fornication/adultery or a pagan, and the unchaste woman will not be able to marry except a person guilty of fornication/adultery or a pagan; Such a thing is forbidden for the believers (al muwmineen = Muslims).

Killing the apostate?
Sahih Bukhari 9/57:
Mohammed said, "Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him."
Such is the Sunni version of religious freedom,

No big deal to kill a “kafeer” (infidel)?
Sahih Bukhari 9/50:
Mohammed said, " No Muslim should be killed for killing a Kafir" (infidel).

Muhammad bewitched?

The Prophet had been bewitched by a Jew, and for several days he did not know what he was doing. (Bukhari, 59/11; 76/47; Hanbal 6/57; 4/367)


Hadiths and racism, Muhammad expressing racist views regarding people of color?:

Narated By Anas bin Malik : Allah’s Apostle said, “You should listen to and obey, your ruler even if he was an Ethiopian (black) slave whose head looks like a raisin.” (Bukhari Vol 9, Book 89, Number 256)

These hadiths are considered authentic (Sahih) and pass the test invented by traditional Muslims who set up the criteria to accept or reject them. The above hadiths are what they call "strong" hadiths.

[quote author=bashy_demy link=topic=819101.msg9724412#msg9724412 date=1323373841]The first bold make me laugh,  and he was Killed by Jews OMG you be idio.t accept.

The second bold you are confused right?  Well since paul make some ALteration to the bible so nothing new under the sun[/quote]It was to end up like that, he says? IT IS FINISHED on the cross, and then he gave up the ghost, that was the main reason u and i can be saved today.