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mazaje:Do they call people that drink juice and water drunkards?. . .People that eat too much food are called gluttons, and people that drink to much alcohol are called drunkards. . .

you have mention this same thing more than 5times and yet you have never given any proof to back your claim. Now i know your type. You listen to what people say and come on NL to pour your mind without making some research. There is an online Quran where you can read and bring out proofs if there is any which i doubt. can't you use your own head to think about what people tell you instead of you believe what ever you hear girl.

LagosShia:
brother do not mind these people.they cannot afford to debate or discuss with facts and they have no defense to put for their faith.they only bluff with personal arguments and exchanges.in that way,they drag you to their level and deceive people that they are defending themselves.so try as much as possible to only discuss with them what has to do with the topic or the subject of religion.if they try to throw personal attacks try your best to ignore them and get them back to the topic.that is the only way you can ensure that you continue exposing them and their christianity.

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@plappville

There are alot of Verses put up to you to defend but instead of you to defend then you here[b] ranting and barking like a dog, [/b] sorry for using that world dog but remember your jesus call his people dog, hahha

@uplawal:You dnt have to steal from my pot before shame catch you,av been there.its all those irritating lies, confusion and contradictions that took me to Islam and the word of the Glorious Quran kept my feet firm in Islam,all you christians know is to insult,get angry unnecessary instead of you to refute.

i'm done with the topic.it is clear that killing children is your miracle.

so please, back to topic.

Why do u support killing children

italo:
sometimes i dont know what your problem is. but dont tell me its bad eyesight. where did i say that "catholic is the bible"? Pls quote me.

i said the Catholic church compiled the bible and you agree. you even added that they canonized the bible which very true.

Now, do you know what that word "canonize" means? It means: to declare something holy and sacred by ecclesiastical authority.
So in essence, what you are saying is that The Catholic Church compiled the Bible (picked the books that they felt were divinely inspired and discarded the ones they felt were not divinely inspired), named it "the Bible" and declared it as the Holy and inerrant word of God. And it was accepted because they had the authority to do that.
Right?      they brought the words together and compiled them, i know of this.

what you should do is to keep on laughing your way into hell fire.where in the verse do you find the word "spirit"?

manmacho:
@lagosshia

the way you interpreted the comforted gave it a comic relief.

if the scripture you read were a comprehensive passage, men you would have failed woefully.

this is a scripture that was directed at the disciples and all the christain to be, nothing implied or directly talk about mohammed. may be you should read agian with an unbiased mind.
john 16 12-15 (NIV)
I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide
you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14 He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. 15 All that belongs to
the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.”


Mennnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!!! you they Fabricate things!!!!!!!!!!!!! ahba. which time mohammed turn to spirit.

I wonder how you lack the intelect to explain a simple text.
What concern Mohammad with those verses

@op, u are a muslim, ur aim wont catch even a fly to believe ur cock stories.
I ve said it befor, wast of time to refute u ignorants muslims. Mohamed has planted a code in ur hearts. This is eating ur brains, u people cant see the truth that mohamed a star terrorist was never a prophet, he coded everything to work at the favour of Satan in a religious form. U healed me right!!.

uplawal:
Abio,shame don catch her.

These are only five examples; I'm sure by now you understand how I believe I have been lied to. I don't think it was on purpose but once a lie has been told many times, it becomes fact.
I eventually did what I would ask all of you to do. I read the Qur'an. I found it to be the Truth.[b] It did not ask me to stop believing in Jesus it said all Muslims must believe in him as a Prophet, if they do not they are not Muslims.[/b]I finally said my testimony of faith or Shahada on April 16, 2000.
Since I said there is only One God and Muhammah (pbuh) is His last messenger, I don't have any of the confusion or questions about God, the prophets, or how to  get to heaven.
If you are seeking real Truth and Salvation like many others before you, give Islam a try.

MashaAllah! this is a great testimony from brother "ishow2005".

May Allah bless you and let the haters continue in their hate.

dear brother,you can follow all my threads on nairaland aimed at exposing falsehood and promoting the truth,here:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-739943.0.html
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I reject your “lord” mentality and (mis)understanding by the grace and mercy of Allah!Jesus the son of Mary,is the servant of the almighty God and a great prophet of Islam.

I dedicated the time to do all these threads because of missionary harrassement.if I would have come here and answer threads randomly,fanatical Christians keep repeating the same things over and over again.so that is why I made sure my effort is put in a concentrated way.

These threads are dedicated to all Muslims.any muslim is free to copy whatever write-up by me in them.he can use it anywhere,both in the forum and outside when the missionary fanatical Christian and the bible thumpers come to deceive them and mislead them out of islam.

Thelstan:
@Olaadegbu:

Na wa o. I thought we had come full circle last night? It's obvious that you have ulterior propaganda in this discussion.

Off-point. Observers thought they were like drunk people, because they were filled with the Holy Ghost and speaking in tongues. Not because of anything to do with alcohol.

Jesus HIMSELF said that unlike John the Baptist who would not eat bread or drink wine and was called a demon, that HE is eating and drinking.

John refused to eat bread :: meanwhile Jesus ate
John refused to drink wine :: meanwhile Jesus drank (what did he drink?)

This is simple English comprehension!

mazaje: Luke 7:33,34: "For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, ‘He has a demon.’  The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners".

@ OLAADEGBU What was Jesus drinking when the people called him a drunkard?. . .

Sorry, i prefare u read it from verse one to understand how these words are used even when there is no drink in the occassion/event.

Italo; Well the Catholic Church is in the Bible. :oThat which you call "The Church of God" is what was later named the Catholic Church to show its universality.

When we baptize people in the Catholic Church, we baptize them into the Catholic Church, which is the body and bride of Christ. It doesn't matter what feel about it. You see, we Catholics generally don't usually impose our beliefs on others even though we know that it is the Church founded by Christ which posseses the fullness of truth. We just quietly practise our faith and allow other do whatever they want to do in peace. But what I can't take is when a member of one of these shops called "churches" without foundation starts pretending to know the truth and trying to it on us. No!

If you want a verse that we can baptize infants and you can't find it in my post #19, then maybe you should also give me a verse that says "do not baptize infants"

But here's also a question that everyone against infant baptism has been avoiding (maybe you can bail them out): what are the names and ages of those that were baptized in the households of Cornelius and Lydia? So that we can check if there were infants among them or not.

folaski:
@plappville: i posted some question to you on the 28~11~011 to which you did not respond. i will assume that it was an oversight but now i am particularly calling your attention to it now. pls scroll back to my (folaski)post of the 28~11~011 on page 5.84375 .i await your responce.

italo:
Pouring and Sprinkling versus Immersion

Ezek. 36:25 - Ezekiel prophesies that God "will 'sprinkle' clean water on you and you shall be clean." The word for "sprinkle" is "rhaino" which means what it says, sprinkle (not immersion). (“Kai rhaino eph hymas hydor katharon.”)

Matt. 3:11; Mark 1:8; Luke 3:16 -John the Baptist prophesied that Jesus will baptize ("baptisei" with the Holy Spirit and fire. In this case, "baptisei" refers to a "pouring" out over the head. This is confirmed by Matt. 3:16 where the Holy Spirit descends upon Jesus' head like a dove and Acts 2:3-4 where the Holy Spirit descended upon Mary and the apostles' heads in the form of tongues of fire. In each case, in fulfilling John the Baptist's prophecy, the Lord baptized ("baptizo" in the form of pouring out His Spirit upon the head, not immersing the person.

Matt. 20:22-23; Mark 10:38-39; Luke 12:50 - Jesus also talks about His baptism (from "baptizo" of blood, which was shed and sprinkled in His passion. But this baptism does not (and cannot) mean immersion.

Mark 7:3 - the Pharisees do not eat unless they wash ("baptizo" ) their hands. This demonstrates that "baptizo" does not
always mean immersion. It can mean pouring water over something (in this case, over their hands).

Mark 7:4 - we see that the Jews washed ("bapto" from baptizo) cups, pitchers and vessels, but this does not mean that they actually immersed these items. Also, some manuscripts say the Jews also washed (bapto) couches, yet they did not immerse
the couches, they only sprinkled them.

Luke 11:38 - Jesus had not washed ("ebaptisthe" His hands before dinner. Here, the derivative of "baptizo" just means washing up, not immersing.

Acts 2:41 - at Peter's first sermon, 3,000 were baptized. There is archeological proof that immersion would have been
impossible in this area. Instead, these 3,000 people had to be sprinkled in water baptism.

Acts 8:38 - because the verse says they "went down into the water," many Protestants say this is proof that baptism must be
done by immersion. But the verb to describe Phillip and the eunuch going down into the water is the same verb ("katabaino" used in Acts 8:26 to describe the angel's instruction to Phillip to stop his chariot and go down to Gaza. The word has nothing to do with immersing oneself in water.

Acts 8:39 - because the verse says "they came up out of the water," many Protestants also use this verse to prove that baptism must be done by immersion. However, the Greek word for "coming up out of the water" is "anebesan" which is plural. The verse is describing that both Phillip and the eunuch ascended out of the water, but does not prove that they were both immersed in the water. In fact, Phillip could not have baptized the eunuch if Phillip was also immersed. Finally, even if this was a baptism by immersion, the verse does not say that baptism by immersion is the only way to baptize.

Acts 9:18; 22:16 - Paul is baptized while standing up in the house of Judas. There is no hot tub or swimming pool for immersion. This demonstrates that Paul was sprinkled.

Acts 10:47-48 - Peter baptized in the house of Cornelius, even though hot tubs and swimming pools were not part of homes. Those in the house had to be sprinkled.

Acts 16:33 - the baptism of the jailer and his household appears to be in the house, so immersion is not possible.
Acts 2:17,18,33 - the pouring of water is like the "pouring" out of the Holy Spirit. Pouring is also called "infusion" (of grace).

1 Cor. 10:2 - Paul says that the Israelites were baptized ("baptizo" in the cloud and in the sea. But they could not have been immersed because Exodus 14:22 and 15:9 say that they went dry shod. Thus, "baptizo" does not mean immersed in these verses.

Titus 3:6 – the “washing of regeneration” (baptism) is “poured out” upon us. This “pouring out” generally refers to the pouring of baptismal waters over the head of the newly baptized.

Heb. 10:22 – the author writes, “with our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience.” This “sprinkling” of baptism refers to aspersion, not immersion. The text also parallels 1 Peter 3:21, which expressly mentions baptism and its ability to, like Heb.

10:22, purify the conscience (the interior disposition of a person).

Isaiah 44:3 - the Lord "pours" water on the thirsty land and "pours" His Spirit upon our descendants. The Lord is “pouring,” not “immersing.”


To the 2nd part of your post, I don't think there's anything wrong in her saying that anyone is free to interprete the bible in his/her own way. She not necessarily saying it is right, but she's sayn they have the right to do so and we don't have to impose our interpretation on anyone else.

And you who is so critical of self-interpretation, is that not what you practise? No matter how much we all study the bible, and how much we pray before, during and after we study, we will never come to the same conclusions on everything in the bible and beyond it.

Don't get me wrong, I don't believe in self-interpretation. As a Catholic, I follow the interpretation of the Church on all matters
of faith and morals because the Church existed before the bible and it is based on the Authority of the Church that we have come to believe that the Bible is the inerrant word of God. Even the Bible says the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth.

So, I ask you, whose interpretation do you follow?

(John 1:12 ) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name

(John 1:12 ) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name (Romans 8:14 because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.)(Galatians 3:26 You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus,)(1 John 3:2[i] Dear friends, now we are children of God, [/i]and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when he appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.)

Peter Addresses the Crowd
(Acts 2:14-21)
14 Then Peter stood up with the Eleven, raised his voice and addressed the crowd: “Fellow Jews and all of you who live in Jerusalem, let me explain this to you; listen carefully to what I say. 15 These people are not drunk, as you suppose. It’s only nine in the morning! 16 No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:
17 “‘In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.
18 Even on my servants, both men and women,
I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
and they will prophesy.
19 I will show wonders in the heavens above
and signs on the earth below,
blood and fire and billows of smoke.
20 The sun will be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood
before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.
21 And everyone who calls
on the name of the Lord will be saved

italo:
Ok, you lean on the Bible better than the Catholic Church does. The same Catholic Church that compiled the Bible and gave it to the world.

There is nowhere you answered the questions: @ what age and location, one should be baptized.

kelz88:
Holier than thou people. Those who understand the bible more than I do, answer the simple questions directed at you.

Why should I go along with everything the bible says? If I did wouldn't I have to go to a river and be immersed-as you suggest? Even if I have a water phobia. I would have to dress the way Jesus did, and get baptised at a much later age, whether or not I live till that time.


As far as I'm concerned, whether Jesus meant sprinkle, drowning, etc. . . bottom line is getting baptised, the act. The process is of no significant importance in my life. Please, there are more important things to focus on in the bible.

Feel free to judge me, and claim to know the bible more than I do.
At the end of the day this bible was written by man. No one knows how accurate it is. So many contradiction from A-Z.

I try as much as possible to live by the golden rule. That's the overall idea I get from the bible.

At this note,I am unsubscribing from this thread. Has nothing new to teach me.

(luke 19:12-27)He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country, to receive for himself a kingdom, and return. And he called ten servants of his, and gave them ten pounds, and said unto them, Trade ye herewith till I come. But his citizens hated
him, and sent an ambassage after him, saying, We will not that this man reign over us. And it came to pass, when he was
come back again, having received the kingdom, that he commanded these servants, unto whom he had given the money, to
be called to him, that he might know what they had gained by trading. And the first came before him saying, Lord, thy pound hath made ten pounds more. And he said unto him, Well done, thou good servant; because thou wast faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities. And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath made five pounds. And he said unto him also, Be thou over five cities. And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I kept laid up in a napkin: for I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that which thou layest not down, and reapest that which thou didst not sow. And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant, Thou knowest that I
am an austere man, taking up that which I laid down, and reaping that which I did not sow; then wherefore gavest thou not my money into the bank, and I at my coming should have required it with interest? And he said unto them that stood by, Take away from him the pound, and give it unto him that hath ten pounds. And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds. I say
unto you, that every one that hath shall be given; but from him that hath not, even that which he hath shall be taken away from him. But these mine enemies, that would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.