₦airaland Forum

Indeed black & white people were even mixing in the 1600's.
But in the most extreame circumstances, like the isreali/palistinian issue people impose measures to prevent mixing with the 'enemy' ethnicity.

. To get into distributing fuel and other products, NNPC say you need at least N10billion or something like that,

ten billion naira? That's 66 million usd. There is no way that's the requirement.

^  haha pagan9ja honestly I sometimes wonder what you mission is. You say your 'the solution' the solution to what exactly? All the ethnicities in the world are mixed to an extent. I have ibibio and even Igbo relatives and they still retain their culture. You would proably be hard pressed to find a 100% pure person of any ethnicity.

You say that you are against inter-tribal marriages but you must realize that for two similar ethnic groups to live side by side and have absolutly NO members who enter in a relationship with the other tribe the two tribes must trully hate each other.

Whenever two ethnic groups live peacefully by each other they will always be some mixing. Wheather that is a good thing or not I dunno, but it's just human nature. God made us like that so we can keep a variety of genes and not become inbred 

so if your advocating that every ethnicity in Nigeria  stay 100% pure and never mix with others it sounds good in theory, but it's impossible without hatred. And hatred seems to be what your spreading 

Ezeuche my friend! Retire from politics join the romance section, it's all fun and games there!
I did, you won't regret.

the Politics sections is draining and depressing.

^^ my friend you are being to pessimistic. I think you are to busy looking for problems to look for solutions.
If Abuja prevents the state gov from getting 24 hour power than you or I could do it. It's not beyond the private sector to create industrilization.
2 of the main problems with our private sector is pessimism and lack of aim. That is what I'm trying to solve with this thread.

^ this is your last day on nland?

^^ As mentioned earlier in the topic Abuja Has already approved the contruction on a new coal fired power plant in Enugu state.If the feds don't want to repair the roads the state can build its own, or fix them illigally. What are the feds gunna do, send troops to prevent Enugu from fixing a road?

I understand you clearly, and am not trying to troll.
I'm just asking, how will a government that is not united by any common purpose be able to establish a firm foundation that will put us on the path to greatness? a polity characterized by endless power struggles? In the last four years, the polity has been characterized by post-election disputes, civil unrest, political instability and horse trading right at the very centre. How will a government be able to put any reasonable plans on execution path, if they cannot even guarantee the stability of their own regime? That's what i am asking.

^ We could start at the state level. Enugu state is soon to have 24 hour electricity. From there someone could build a Silica refractory brick factory for maybe less than 500k. After that someone could build a small scale steel factory. Then Enugu state could lead Nigeria into its own industrial revolution the same way Machester led England.

You may be right , but this is not that discussion. This is about posistive measures the private sector & government can take to make to develope Nigeria.

Keep in mind the benifits of industrialization are not just monetary. They are mental aswell, people will think and behave differently. And i stand by my assertion that industrialization will make the country more politically stable.

some made up ancient stories,

what do you mean by this? what made up ancient made up stories?

^ so nigeria needs to split?

AjanleKoko:
In any case, there's no political stability, not at all. Every power transfer exercise (election) remains national trauma, and it is looking like that'll continue in the near future. Without a stable polity, I find it hard to see anything congruent with industrialization or development happening any time soon.

think about why this is. . . look especially at the almajiris. If we had industrialization These people would not be unemployed desperate and violent.
If we put tarrifs on clothing imports and opened several huge textile factories in the north. it would drasticaly reduce the poverty in that region thus creating a more stable political climate.

In short, we need industrialization and the job oppurtunities it brings for a more stable country.

ChinenyeN:
Besides agriculture, are there alternatives to industrialization like the one in the pictures above?

I dont think so.

^ I guess nuclear. But unfourtunatly that doesn't seem to be an option for Nigeria.

ChinenyeN:
That's exactly my question, pleep, and that's part of the reason why I asked.

With industrialization comes pollution, that inescapable. Once your done industrializing you clean it all up.

^^ hey hows exporting oil treating nigeria?

^^When I talk about American imports I'm refering to rice, corn and grains.
Cassava and palm oil can still be done but that would only fix a fraction of our food imports.

My belief is we can't grow the way America did because time has changed and we lack unlimited resources. How do we fund this type industrialisation? On the other hand Agriculture is cheap, employs more people and if we reform our land laws it will lead to great things then we can fund your steel factories.

Mechanized agriculture doest employ much people at all.
Non-mechanized does but it's not cost competitive.

What's wrong with nigerias land laws?

londoner:
@Pleep, agriculture is not our "forte" ? eating and drinking is a necessity and we are bleeding money because we are importing those finished goods from outside.


We have to stop trying to leap before we can walk. Its not about competing in the outside world for space OUTSIDE Nigeria, it is about filling the gaps that others have taken advantage of WITHIN Nigeria.

We need to be more inward looking in the coming years.

Maybe we could have saved some of the N4.2 Trillion we spent on importing food in 2010, that is not even counting all the other goods we import.

I actually agree with everything you wrote here 100%. However the problem is how are we going to make our agriculture competitive with developed countries? We need machines very expensive machines that will have to be imported from other countries. Industrialization in the way I mentioned is the only way to effectivly create these machines in Nigeria. Creating jobs and lowering cost (maintaince, shipping etc). This also would be a springboard for us to enter technology.

Another problem with agriculture is competition, especially from the u.s. American agriculture is fully mechanized and subsidized by the government. I may be missinformed, but I belive that one of the conditions for recieving foriegn aid ( nigeria revives hundreds of millions of $ in u.s.a.i.d from he American govenment) is NO tarrifs on American products.
So it's impossible for us in the private sector to really do anything meaningfull in Nigerian agriculture until this changes.

Because of this cheap subsidized American food pours into Africa.

Steel factories are important but so is Information technology!! Nigeria already has a massive disadvantage in industrialization [/b]as cost of labor is already pretty much higher than the likes of China. Even if we make power cheap and infrastructure more efficient, we can never come down on our high labor costs! [b]Nigerian engineers already earn much higher than their counterparts in Eastern Europe.
As a result, our products would always be more expensive that those produced by other countries.
Our forte is mainly in the knowledge areas. Information Technology, Creative Arts, Scientific Innovation, Finance and importantly Value added Agriculture.

On the contrary Nigeria has an incredible advantage in industrialization! We have the resources. Iron, coal, kaolin, oil, lead, bitumen etc. Africa as a continent has the best case for industrialization.

Yes they earn more than their counterparts in eastern Europe, but what of Western Europe & America? That's still an advantage. Plus our unskilled labor is much cheaper than even china. the average Chinese worker makes 2k a year the average Nigerian makes 700$ the average American makes 50K!

Material resources are local and plentiful, unskilled labor only costs 2$ per day, huge national market. Our advantages far outweigh our dissadvantages.

Yeah I believe Agriculture is a huge industry for us, it employs more people now in our country. I don't have a problem with industrialization as proposed, I just believe that it MUST go with Agriculture. And if we have to choose one then lets make it Agriculture.

I believe the world has changed, what worked for America and Manchester City might not necessarily give us the same results. Our attempts to go industrial through Ajaokuta ended up in huge waste, and even with that level of mismanagement if we had invested that same amount in Agriculture we would have being better today.

We must do both but if I have to choose one then its agriculture for me.

Agriculture is not our forte. the United States has the best farmland in the world, its agriculture is mechanized, and it is subsidized by the government. How could Nigeria compete with subsidized food?
plus if we want out agriculture to be efficient we need heavy machinery.

and for machines you need a steel factory. . . 

Alot of Nigerian Americans get assimilated by generation 1! I don't think they are many 3rd generation Nigerian Americans, by that time they probably would have mixed with other African ethnicities or A.A ppl.

I hear the sharaton in Abuja is filled with prositutes.

[quote author=aloy/emeka link=topic=709508.msg8683177#msg8683177 date=1310207598]So women cannot go to a hotel bar?. If men can go there, why can't women be allowed to do the same? [/quote]why does it have to be a hotel though? Why not a club ?
These women are probably prostitutes

"don't negotiate with terroists" that pig headed approach is not working in Afghanistan!
Why must Nigeria make the same mistake?

Is the Nigerian military majority northerners?