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To be fair the current revenue allocation system is not fair. Everyone should keep what he produces and pay tax to the central government. I think the revenue allocation should be reviewed to favour fiscal federalism

alj harem: trust me when i tell you that yorubas are not the problem here. see the way they keep insulting the yorubas with all sort of demeaning words. I am just reading now and watching if they would ever take the hand yorubas are extending to them both on Nairaland and real life.

Sharrap there! You bloody hypocrite! Who started this junk of a thread with a a fixation on Igbo? Was it not a Yoruba man? You bloody pretender!

Keep smoking cow dung while boko bastards decimate your population in the name of your god - allah!

shymmex: I doubt if Igboland is the paradise you want us to believe it is - with the population of Igbos in Lagos. Lagos is my home state and I'll be the first to say it's the biggest slum in world, and if Igbos migrate to Lagos everyday in their thousands - that means Igboland is more of a hellhole, than Lagos is. That's simple logic, mate.

Hit me up when you're ready for a detox, bruv

Of course Igbo land is no-paradise, but compared to your SW states, I'll give it to Igboland.

And one important reason Igbos come to Lagos is is because, Lagos, your so called home state is nothing but a large open market. People go to market daily to sell their goods, and return back home. That is why, Lagos is called No-mans-land, while Igboland is called Ala-Igbo! Gerrit?

shymmex: How has your irrelevant HDI transformed into making Igbo land a better place? All I see are dilapidated structures, crimes everywhere, poverty on the faces of people, and everything synonymous to a failed state. HDI is just an unpractical statistics. The UK, which has one of the best HDI in the world - and world class structures - is still a hellhole, go figure. HDI is irrelevant if the average Igbo man or woman can't lead a normal life

You have never been to Igboland.

If you want to see dilapidated structure try Ogun, Ekiti, Oyo, and Ondo state. People there live in caves, slums, and shanties. I shed tears when I see such squalor, I wonder what would have been their fate, if not for Igbos, and other non-indigenes who give out regular hand-out to aid their survival. Go figure!

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Laughing at your stupidity I guess?

shymmex: Do you think your Biafra would have been better than present day Nigeria? The last time I checked, all the governors in the East are IGBOS - how come it's still a shytehole?

In most if not all Human Development Index, the SE trumps every other zone in the country despite decades of government sanctioned marginalisation. This country is indeed a clog in the wheel of progress, the earlier we are rid of it the better. But while still in it, we just have to endure the darn useless carcass, until there is no more bones to pick.

Nigeria is a country, and unless things change, it will never be a nation!

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shymmex: I don't care if you call out individuals from the Yoruba tribe for their "treachery and cowardice" - but calling out the whole tribe under false pretext is wrong. It's time we stopped this redundant buffonery, and embrace each other. You and I were born as Nigerians, and Nigeria was born in us.

Biko, let's embrace Nigeria and vent our collective anger at those holding us down.

You called out Igbos without discrimination, and you expect favour from me? Where did you crawl out from? You dish it, you eat it!

We can never embrace Nigeria as it is! To be fair, Yoruba and Hausa/Fulani are the one holding Nigeria down with corruption and ineptitude! It is my opinion, and I hold strongly to it.

Rather than encouraging anyone, to embrace Nigeria, I rather we bring the roof down! The house (Nigeria) was built on quicksand, we want out, and we will never embrace this rubbish of a country!

shymmex: Keep living in your fools' paradise! The Biafra took 18 months because Nigeria had a small army, no navy, no airforce back then - and with that, 70% of Biafra was captured within 6 months. MEND and Boko Haram is just politics - in a real war, NO REGION IN NIGERIA can stand the NIGERIAN ARMED FORCES. You will be bombed into oblivion within two weeks.

Lol, you are the one living in dreamland.

In the next war, Nigeria Navy will be met will Biafran Airforce, and of course there wont be any oil money to fund the war. The world will support a divided Nigeria for multiple reasons.

Another war will be civil war, and in civil war, the Army is often divided. We'll most likely have Almajiri's versus seasoned officers. Bombs will be flying from the south.

And Yoruba have better be neutral or choose their friends carefully, because the repercussion will be unimaginable, if they have people of your ilk at decision making level.

In anycase, I know your people very well, they will scamper to safety and watch from distance, only to side with the winning side. Typical!

shymmex: If Igbos won't forget about Biafra, check out this post: https://www.nairaland.com/899348/nigerian-civil-war-rematch

You have a week declare Biafra Republic - if you don't, then you're a coward.

The poster of that thread, just like this one are both clowns.

I wonder why Yorubas are so fixated with the Biafra issue? Are you the only tribe apart from Igbo affected by the war? Or be honest, are your just angry and ashamed of always been called out on your treachery and cowardice?

shymmex: "X" and "Y" came together because Nnamidi Azikwe wanted it to be like that - and we've to live with it. Nigeria is the brainchild of our founding fathers - and we have to live with it.

I don't know why some of you are suicidal in nature - can you defeat the Nigerian army in a REAL WAR?

There is no need to defeat Nigerian Army; when the poo hit the fans, soldiers will answer their father's name like they did in 1967! Besides, unlike 1967, I dont see some ethnic group fight against another.


But if it comes to it, Hausa/Fulani Army, with the the unlikely or rather half hearted support of Yoruba, cannot defeat any core southern ethnic group in REAL WAR!

shymmex: You know what happened the first time - and I won't mind joining the Nigerian army this time to stop disintegration. If giving my life is what's going to take, to keep Nigeria as one, I'll gladly do it. My life is precious but I want a better life for my unborn kids. We have to keep Nigeria as one to stop the unending civil war, which will engulf the whole region, if Nigeria disintegrates. You lot think it's going to be easy but it's not.

I don't see Igbos sticking to only their God given land - I know you lot will want to expand to other people's territories for access to the Atlantic ocean, and the same goes for the Ijaws and the Hausa/fulani. I also don't see Yorubas giving up Yoruba regions in Kwara, Kogi and Delta state.

Spoken like a true coward.

Anyway,my response to this topic is this. Igbo will never forget the event of the civil war until issues that led to it is truly and fairly addressed. Until then, those who are tired of Biafra talk should get the heck out the hot kitchen. Nairaland politics section is not for the faint of heart. If Nigeria is not restructured peacefully, eventually we will generated enough passion and sentiment for a conflagration.

Like many I am sick of Nigeria, and if war and death is what will give a better future to the next generation, I am ready to meet you or any Yoruba man who take up arm against an attempt for another secession. Perhaps from the ashes of a burnt Nigeria, better nations will arise.

But it will do you a lot of good to focus more on your Yoruba land (especially the part Hausa are laying claim on), and less about what Igbo might or might not do. You are not Igbo!

@Op

We own it a duty to lend the western power hands in the bid to destroy terrorism that has taken root in Northern Nigeria.
To rid Northern Nigeria of terrorism is the task for all of us. Let's roll in the tanks, and invite the drones!

If the have 100% Derivation on Oll, will they be able to take almajiri off the street?

Hmmm, El Rufia has a point here. Indeed there is an on-going coup in Nigeria. Boko Haram has initiated a coup to removed Northern leaders - Including El Rufia, from power and influence! But they are hanging on and attempting to deflect the pressure and attention to south south leaders and their oil income. This effort will fail as the on-going coup will mostly sweep away the inept Northern leaders who have failed their people and turned a major source of embarassment to the good people of Nigeria.

However the good people of South should be very vigilant and ensure that the coup is contained in the North! More soldiers should be deployed in core North to contain this coup! El Rufia and his cohorts are failed politicians, judgement knocks their door.

Youths ask IBB, Abdulsalam, Atiku, others to apologise
On March 19, 2012 · In News

By LUKA BINNIYAT

KADUNA — Arewa Youths Forum,AYF, yesterday, demanded an apology from all their leaders who have ruled the country at one time or the other for neglecting the region while they were in power.

This was the outcome of an emergency meeting in Kaduna, which was attended by Muslim and Christian youths as well as those in the diaspora.

A statement signed by its Chairman, Gambo Gajonju, said: “The meeting extensively discussed the various circumstances the North has found itself, and recent much noise about positions of past Nigerian leaders from the North, i.e. Generals Ibrahim Babangida, Abdulsalam Abubakar, Atiku Abubakar, and several others regarding the avoidable quagmire our region is shamelessly trapped into.

“We are at the bottom of every index ranging from health, education, social amenities, and several other sectors. Worst of our woes is the insecurity ravaging the North. It is against this background that we made the following position.

“That all Northern leaders who held several positions, i.e. Generals Ibrahim Babangida and Abdulsalam Abubakar, and others who have got golden opportunities of turning our region for good but did not should know and accept much of the blame.

“Northerners and the world need explanation as to what led the North to the rot it is today. It was not magic but man-made as a result of deliberate manipulation of religion, self-enrichment and pervasive corruption our leaders adopted to the detriment of the larger peoples of the North.

“Finally, all past and present leaders of Northern extraction should as a matter of morality and sincerity apologise to the North first. Because we got to the mess we are in due to their insensitivity, and approach to governance, which was contrary to the principles of our leader, Sir Ahmadu Bello.

According to the statement, “What the North, Nigeria at large need is not noise or elite gathering, and eating from woes of the region. What we need is practicable good governance on the basis of unity, justice, equity, oneness and togetherness”.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2012/03/youths-ask-ibb-abdulsalam-atiku-others-to-apologise/

Why we should be talking about 50% derivation now – Ossai
Politics Sunday, March 18, 2012

By Ben Agande

Hon. Ossai Ossai (PDP Delta) in this interview with Ben Agande says even if the issue of the change in the derivation formula is brought before the House of Representatives, it would be difficult for proponents of the change the required two third majorities to effect the change. Besides, he said the house would be guided in its actions by what is fair and not what is good for only one region.



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How would you react to the call by the governors of the nineteen northern states that the revenue accruable to the oil producing states should be reduced in order to increase the revenue for the northern states?

I think it is their right to agitate. Every individual has a right to agitate for what they think will benefit them. The northern governors have bared their minds and I think it has made it imperative that we should be agitating for the upward review of the derivation funds to 50% as it was in the sixties. The Niger Delta has been calling for this. I will advise the northern governors to pay attention to developing the minerals in their domain so that they can derive more from it. It is high time that they should channel their energies to those areas that can create more capital for them and their people.

The argument has been that the situation where by what one state gets from the Niger Delta for instance is much more than what three or four states in the north gets. How would you defend this?

What is fair to Mr A should also be fair to Mr B. If in the process of producing crude oil, you have destroyed all the fish in the water, the land is no longer productive in any way while in the north, you are having a boom in the agricultural sector, will it be fair for you to tell somebody who has lost everything in the process of providing the resource not to ask for more from what he has given to the nation?

That is not fair. The issue we are talking about is, is it because we are minorities that the Nigerian national would want to treat us this way? What the Niger Delta is asking for is very simple: lets go back to what was obtainable in the sixties whereby 50% is given to any region that provides resources.

Let the Northern governors pay attention to the minerals that is in their land. Instead of building sky scrapper, why not channel the money to developing the mineral sector in their region. That is what we are talking about.

The problem is most governors are lazy. If industries are set up, there would be multiplier effects on the community.

Villages are being destroyed in the Niger delta for the country to get what it is getting.

The future of the children in the Niger Delta is being jeopardized because of the activities of the oil producing companies. When I was young, you could just go to the river and you catch fish. Now you cannot do that.

The argument of the Northern governors is that derivation should be based on oil that is produced on shore and not the one off shore.

Are we saying that because some parts of the land in the north is desert, it minerals are found there they should not benefit from it? If we live in water, everything we have in the water belong to us. It is as simple as that.

Are you not scared that with the numerical strength of the north in the parliament, would it be easy for the revenue formula to be changed?

Can they get two third of members of the parliament? You need two third of members of both chamber to effect such changes. Can they have that? The Nigerian constitution is not easy to change. It is not as easy as people are looking at it.

Beyond that, the legislators we have here do not look at issues from ethnic prism. We are beyond that. The leadership we have in the House of Representatives believe that what is fair to Mr. A should also be fair to Mr. B. he looks at issues and how they can promote national unity and not the cause of a particular region or state.

http://odili.net/news/source/2012/mar/18/310.html

Ndu_chuck:
I will never support terrorists in any form but I do support educating the Almajiris so that they become useless to those who want to exploit them.

So what is stopping their education? Is it not in this same country that a certain governor gave-up his security vote, salary, etc to fund free education in his state? Perhaps, instead of waiting from more hand-out from oil producing zones/FG, the northern governors should troop down to Imo State on how to implement free education with whatever resources they have.

We were told there are about 10 million Almajiri in the North, if the Northern leaders can pull some 3 million out of the street, that would be a good start. One more thing, it is never too late to get education. A 30 year old almajiri can still be enrolled for basic education in the so-called night school system. Start where you are with what you have!

The North cannot hold Nigeria down with threat of violence, at this rate, one day, we will walk out of the union and nothing will happen!

Dialogue with who?

Those dastard bastards should surrender to the law, and should be roundly punished for the pains, miseries, and destruction they have caused!

Interesting article.

Unfortunately for the Northern strategists, everyone is aware of the this sort of tactical maneuvers. I think that the response from the south is in order. As long as the North continues to use violence as bargaining chip; the south should continue to responded by threatening to leave the union with their oil, while also ratcheting up the possibilities of violent reprisal.

The elders of the North may meet a thousand times to proffer solution, but anything short of calling their dogs back to their cages is not acceptable. Core North does not need nor deserve political power, as they cannot show what they have done with it in the past years. What they need is to look inward and invest in educating and empowering their populace. Besides, if we are to even contemplate returning power to the North, who among them is worthy - Atiku, El Rufia, Sanusi? Not by a long shot!

In any case by 2015, political power goes to the SE Zone. No zone has the right to monopolize power!

I agree that government should dialogue with the group. But such dialogue should be with bullets and grenades!

Al Qaeda in Sokoto Axis, US Embassy to be set-up in Kano, soon Africom will land in Maiduguri Axis. We will soon sing a dirge for the behemoth called Nigeria. It has outlived it usefulness; her extinction will be welcome with celebration.

Christians will unfortunately continue to die in their sleep and their place of worship until we stand up ask for a new country.

ndu_chucks: I am now convinced that you people need a psychiatrist,you live in delusions and hallucinations as evident by your continued belief that you can survive a 2nd civil war and your continuous call for a biafran state. P.S. Not more than 2 nations in the history of the world has survived a second civil war.

You people live in lala land. If the Northern governors are fighting for what I have said about offshore deposits, it simply means that they are being fair and reasonable in this case. Must the coincidence be due to some vast conspiracy? Get it through your skulls, there exists people who are brighter than you in other parts of the country, olodos.

SSS ko, triple X ni.

As for the fool who is talking about tracking IP addresses, has it occured to you that if I'm a big enough pain in your neck, I may be informed about IP scrambling technologies? Get lost already, ewu efulefu.

Fortunately, the only group who will not survive another civil war is the the Core North. Unlike before, you will not have Benue and Plateau on your side. Kogi and Kwara will be very wary of partnering with you on any war with the South (or even south-east). Ijaws and other southern minority will move to secure their oil, that is if they don't secede too. Yorubas will advocate diplomacy and peaceful resolution, and will never lift a finger for or against any group.

And international conference will be called to partitioned Nigeria, and peace-keepers will fly in before you could say 'Barack Obama'. Nigeria will morph into multiple nations or true federalism. Whichever way, Core North will be the biggest loser, and there wont be an all out civil war. In any case, if there is another civil war, I am yet to see how the South will be a war Zone, where there is enough empty land in the desert north for testing of the new weapons that will be used in the war. Be careful what you wish for! Core North is clearly isolated locally and globally!

The only reason, no group has made any major move to secede is because they are willing to give Nigeria a chance. Not because of the fear of war. Death comes to all us, whether we like it or not. As it is now, Nigerians are dying in the hands of islamic militant of the North. It is much better to die fighting, than to die in your sleep in the hands of Boko Haram!

What is Nigeria?

ASOROCK b: Meeting on how to break away from nigeria. Hahaha! Good for them for realizing now that they are vampires in human world. Biafra forever!

I agree with you. In addition, they might also be strategising on how to ensure the get Kwara and Kogi state as part of the break-up deal.

I honestly believe they are not strategising on how to acquire more oil blocks - these gathering look like that of oil sucking vampires!

Wow 80%! Aboki is a sharp guy! Just tell them Igbos are trying to steal your oil and land and everyone surrenders such to the 'honest' Aboki. Wonderful!

Wow 80%! Aboki is a sharp guy! Just tell them Igbos are trying to steal your oil and land and everyone surrenders such to the 'honest' Aboki. Wonderful!

Wow 80%! Aboki is a sharp guy! Just tell them Igbos are trying to steal your oil and land and everyone surrenders such to the 'honest' Aboki. Wonderful!

What is the big deal if Ijaw secedes? El Rufia and his Northern folks better start learning how to occupy their cows. ND oil should be used to build world class infrastructure in ND, not to funds almajiri schools and corpers killers.

Occupy your cows, El Rufia!

"like stealing a shirt and giving the owner one button back",


The bold is very sad and quite ironic! What have Ijaws done to themselves? Anyway, there is hope.

Ejiné:
I think Fani-Kayode is just a chancer (my opinion)  

I share your sentiment on Fani kayode, I place him in the same category with  the likes of Tinubu, Bode George, and El Rufia of this world.
He should be trusted like a fox!